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3444 clicks; posted to Main » and Politics » on 30 Sep 2022 at 11:20 AM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-09-30 10:11:03 AM  
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2022-09-30 10:11:51 AM  
Good!
 
2022-09-30 10:13:07 AM  
I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?
 
2022-09-30 10:14:31 AM  
Awesome Timing!! That's one hell of answer to Pootin's impotent fever dream annexation announcement.
 
2022-09-30 10:16:07 AM  

NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?


They can start the process, but yeah, no chance they get approval while being actively attacked.
 
2022-09-30 10:17:40 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They can start the process, but yeah, no chance they get approval while being actively attacked.


Looks like they're using a "simplified procedure", although I'm not clear on the specifics.
 
2022-09-30 10:18:00 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They can start the process, but yeah, no chance they get approval while being actively attacked.


I wonder what the rule is if Putin does something to invoke Article 5.  I'd imagine Ukraine joining would be a formality with the Poles racing towards Moscow.
 
2022-09-30 10:19:38 AM  
they can request all they want, doesnt mean its accepted.
 
2022-09-30 10:19:51 AM  

OdradekRex: DoBeDoBeDo: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They can start the process, but yeah, no chance they get approval while being actively attacked.

I wonder what the rule is if Putin does something to invoke Article 5.  I'd imagine Ukraine joining would be a formality with the Poles racing towards Moscow.


Yeah, I'd guess if NATO is involved in said war, adding one more nation to the treaty isn't really a big deal.
 
2022-09-30 10:46:07 AM  

maudibjr: they can request all they want, doesnt mean its accepted.


Exactly. Which extremely compromised and racist supposed Western Europe 'democratic' members will say NYET!!
 
2022-09-30 11:03:59 AM  
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2022-09-30 11:21:01 AM  

NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?


They cannot be admitted. Doesn't say anything about them applying.
 
2022-09-30 11:22:37 AM  
So, the second they accept and the next shot is fired...?
 
2022-09-30 11:22:37 AM  
No wonder Vlad's losing his shiat.

Or...

No wonder, Vlad's losing his shiat.
 
2022-09-30 11:22:40 AM  
but muh newks
 
2022-09-30 11:23:08 AM  
I wondered if this was going to be the response to Russia's announcement today.

/ Anything you can do I can do better.
// I can do anything better than you.
 
2022-09-30 11:23:13 AM  
Might be approved in 5 years....if NATO moves fast.
 
2022-09-30 11:23:44 AM  

Thoreny: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They cannot be admitted. Doesn't say anything about them applying.


I believe they can be admitted if all of the current members waive the provision requiring settled borders.  The likelihood of that seems small, given some of the horse-trading around Sweden and Finland, but I don't get to sit at the big boy table and listen in, so who knows?
 
2022-09-30 11:24:08 AM  
Is there a pre-existing condition clause?
 
2022-09-30 11:24:12 AM  
Hey Putin. Asshole.

At the time, Japan was the aggressor nation. This time, the aggressor is you.

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2022-09-30 11:24:31 AM  
That was not the answer that Putin wanted from Ukraine.
 
2022-09-30 11:24:33 AM  
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2022-09-30 11:25:54 AM  

Thoreny: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They cannot be admitted. Doesn't say anything about them applying.


It's not a war, it's a special military operation.
 
2022-09-30 11:26:19 AM  
Just look at that NATO aggression!
 
2022-09-30 11:26:25 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: maudibjr: they can request all they want, doesnt mean its accepted.

Exactly. Which extremely compromised and racist supposed Western Europe 'democratic' members will say NYET!!


Why did you write democratic in citation marks?
 
2022-09-30 11:26:57 AM  

NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?


Don't worry about it, it's just a 3 day special military operation.
 
2022-09-30 11:27:25 AM  
They applied in 2008....still waiting.
If they had been approved then that could have prevented all this.
Prevented so much death and destruction.
 
2022-09-30 11:27:59 AM  

make me some tea: Hey Putin. Asshole.

At the time, Japan was the aggressor nation. This time, the aggressor is you.

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It's classic Soviet whataboutism.
 
2022-09-30 11:28:22 AM  

Private_Citizen: Awesome Timing!! That's one hell of answer to Pootin's impotent fever dream annexation announcement.


Chicken or the egg?
 
2022-09-30 11:28:25 AM  

SpectroBoy: [pbs.twimg.com image 680x680]


No raise?
 
2022-09-30 11:28:35 AM  

Epic Fap Session: Just look at that NATO aggression!


Don't worry, someone will be in here to post a stupid link with Chomsky blaming the US for Russia invading Ukraine.
 
2022-09-30 11:29:22 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: maudibjr: they can request all they want, doesnt mean its accepted.

Exactly. Which extremely compromised and racist supposed Western Europe 'democratic' members will say NYET!!

Why did you write democratic in citation marks?


Perhaps he was Hungary?  Here... have a Snickers.
 
2022-09-30 11:29:50 AM  

Richard Freckle: Thoreny: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They cannot be admitted. Doesn't say anything about them applying.

It's not a war, it's a special military operation.


Hasn't Putin officially upgraded it to war, with the mobilisation?

Both in action and rethoric.

He used the term war in today's speech at least.
 
2022-09-30 11:29:57 AM  

Walker: They applied in 2008....still waiting.
If they had been approved then that could have prevented all this.
Prevented so much death and destruction.


When they applied in 2008 they had far far far worse corruption that kind of prevented joining (as was Russias intent). They've since worked with NATO and made massive strides forward. Stop acting like 2022 Ukraine is 2008 Ukraine.
 
2022-09-30 11:30:49 AM  

Im_Gumby: Ketchuponsteak: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: maudibjr: they can request all they want, doesnt mean its accepted.

Exactly. Which extremely compromised and racist supposed Western Europe 'democratic' members will say NYET!!

Why did you write democratic in citation marks?

Perhaps he was Hungary?  Here... have a Snickers.


Baldrick (on how WWI started):  I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.
 
2022-09-30 11:30:52 AM  
How do cartographers/mapmakers deal with this.  Do they show countries occupied by Russians - as Russia if the they claim it is annexed?
 
2022-09-30 11:31:12 AM  

Rapmaster2000: make me some tea: Hey Putin. Asshole.

At the time, Japan was the aggressor nation. This time, the aggressor is you.

[Fark user image 790x409]

It's classic Soviet whataboutism.


какнасчетизм?
Kaknaschetism?
 
2022-09-30 11:32:20 AM  

Walker: They applied in 2008....still waiting.
If they had been approved then that could have prevented all this.


If it had looked like their application might be approved, Russia probably would have just invaded then.
 
2022-09-30 11:33:24 AM  

NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?


No problemo, just accept their application retroactive to Feb 23rd.
 
2022-09-30 11:35:34 AM  

NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?


This is at rule that they have to be at peace with their neighbours before they can join but there is a couple workaround to this.

1) have Russians agree to a peace agreement even a short lived one - while NATO approves the addition.  Russia would truly have be bent over a barrel for this to happen.
2) occupy a strip of Russia on the Ukraine border, call that country of Zelinkskylandia.  Put in a puppet government (see Beleraus) and declare peace with it.  Bingo you are now at  peace with all your neighbours.
 
2022-09-30 11:36:04 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Richard Freckle: Thoreny: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They cannot be admitted. Doesn't say anything about them applying.

It's not a war, it's a special military operation.

Hasn't Putin officially upgraded it to war, with the mobilisation?

Both in action and rethoric.

He used the term war in today's speech at least.


As far as honest communication goes I don't think anyone can really know.  As far as actions go, it's a war.
 
2022-09-30 11:36:29 AM  

NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?


Defending themselves in their own country from invaders shouldn't count for that in my opinion. But my opinion isn't the one that matters.
 
2022-09-30 11:36:38 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They can start the process, but yeah, no chance they get approval while being actively attacked.


Good thing they're not involved in a war, eh?
 
2022-09-30 11:36:44 AM  
Wouldn't it be nice to have Sevastapol as a NATO base?

Just think of the heartburn that would cause...
 
2022-09-30 11:37:23 AM  
Probably no immediate impact on the war, but good to see the step taken.
 
2022-09-30 11:39:04 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?

They can start the process, but yeah, no chance they get approval while being actively attacked.


these are unprecedented time. you never know.
 
2022-09-30 11:39:43 AM  

mrshowrules: How do cartographers/mapmakers deal with this.  Do they show countries occupied by Russians - as Russia if the they claim it is annexed?


Of course not, no one outside of Moscow accepts that referendum as legitimate.
 
2022-09-30 11:40:35 AM  

shinji3i: Walker: They applied in 2008....still waiting.
If they had been approved then that could have prevented all this.
Prevented so much death and destruction.

When they applied in 2008 they had far far far worse corruption that kind of prevented joining (as was Russias intent). They've since worked with NATO and made massive strides forward. Stop acting like 2022 Ukraine is 2008 Ukraine.


At that point (pre annexation of Crimea) there was an ' understanding' that NATO wouldn't expand into the former USSR and the newly independent nations would act as a buffer for Russia against a perception of potential aggression. If Ukraine had joined NATO Putin would have used it as proof of NATO wanting to invade Russia by moving the border to his doorstep. That consideration is moot now but Turkey will spoil the application because they like cheap Russian weapons for killing Kurds
 
2022-09-30 11:40:47 AM  
 
2022-09-30 11:44:48 AM  

NuclearPenguins: I thought there was a rule about not being able to join unless they were at peace?


It's not like rules cannot be changed.

All of this hinges on the fear that if NATO sends troops into Ukraine, Russia will respond with nuclear weapons.
 
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