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(NPR)   After that frightening incident last night just before the half of the Bengal-Dolphins game, people are wondering whether Miami should have taken that "back injury" Tua suffered in the Bills game just a touch more seriously   (npr.org) divider line
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2022-09-30 11:00:45 AM  
After years of observing how well the NFL polices itself in these matters it should be obvious to all but the NFL that an outside agency is required to protect the players from the money grubbing NFL.
 
2022-09-30 11:05:31 AM  
After that frightening incident last night just before the half of the Bengal-Dolphins game, people are wondering whether Miami should have taken that "back injury" Tua suffered in the Bills game just a touch more seriously

I dunno. Maybe I need to see that video from last night's injury again. Again. And again...
 
2022-09-30 11:26:34 AM  
You don't say.
 
2022-09-30 11:31:13 AM  
The NFL is going to take very seriously the proposal that it take injuries more seriously.
 
2022-09-30 12:22:12 PM  
Yeah, it's starting to be apparent that this "Warrior's Code" is more of a "Gladiator's Code".

You're not supposed to understand.  Just die for our satisfaction.
 
2022-09-30 12:23:40 PM  

snocone: After years of observing how well the NFL polices itself in these matters it should be obvious to all but the NFL that an outside agency is required to protect the players from the money grubbing NFL.


The NFL has investigated your statement, but found no basis to change anything.
 
2022-09-30 12:23:56 PM  
*looks above*

Wow.

That's...more snarkier  than I intended the post to be.  I feel bad.
 
2022-09-30 12:26:44 PM  
UNDISPUTED - Tua Tagovailoa out of Dolphins loss to Bengals with suffers head injury - Shannon react
Youtube pTS_bpw5ITY


I don't normally like or post anything from Undisputed, but Shannon Sharpe gets really honest for about 5 minutes and it is worth a listen.
 
2022-09-30 12:28:47 PM  
I still find it troubling that the NFL players themselves still continue to unnecessarily violently and viciously "tackle" the opposing players. In may cases it's clear they are intentionally trying to injure, and not just take down and tackle.
 
2022-09-30 12:42:43 PM  
You thought billionaire owners and a multi-billion corporation gave a flying f*ck about your health? There's your first mistake.
 
2022-09-30 12:44:36 PM  
It's nice to see that the players 'union' is pretending to start taking concussions seriously.

The league has a specialist on the sidelines who consults with the team's doctor.  That guy cleared Tua to go back in. The 'union' should be threatening to shut the league down for the remainder of this week.
 
2022-09-30 12:44:41 PM  

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I don't normally like or post anything from Undisputed, but Shannon Sharpe gets really honest for about 5 minutes and it is worth a listen.


Shannon has been on point lately. He called out the NFL media on the Favre welfare scandal for not caring because "welp its only poor people in Mississippi". This was good too. Skip was actually tolerable here. I  know they will be total turds by Monday but its good to see they can step up from time to time
 
2022-09-30 12:49:35 PM  
Heads should roll.

Poor choice of words, but you know what I mean.
 
2022-09-30 12:54:33 PM  
TNF should be abolished.
 
2022-09-30 12:58:38 PM  

wooden_badger: TNF should be abolished.


Defund TNF!!!
 
2022-09-30 1:02:02 PM  
And, Goodell was there.
 
2022-09-30 1:05:14 PM  
The NFL concussion policy is designed to create the illusion that the league cares and hopefully to avoid lawsuits.
 
2022-09-30 1:13:10 PM  
I've spent 20 years being adjacent to pro-sports and entertainment.  I have never, in all that time, saw something as scary caught on camera as that, that got shown more than once.

I've seen worse - Owen Hart's death, Dennis Byrd's injury, they were horrific, but Owen's never been shown again, and Byrd was able to recover, and we could really identify everything. But nothing like that. Watching his hands curl up like that was sickening and every person who's ever been involved with combat sports or team athletics at practically any level should be skeeved and angry right now.
 
2022-09-30 1:15:01 PM  

snocone: After years of observing how well the NFL polices itself in these matters it should be obvious to all but the NFL that an outside agency is required to protect the players from the money grubbing NFL.


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rjakobi: Yeah, it's starting to be apparent that this "Warrior's Code" is more of a "Gladiator's Code".

You're not supposed to understand.  Just die for our satisfaction.


"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion. I'm just telling you: Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting slaughtered. Just watch. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. When you take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business." -- Mark Cuban (2014)

https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-proposed-playoff-expansion-could-be-tipping-point-in-greed-015752890.html
 
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2022-09-30 1:23:00 PM  

saintstryfe: I've spent 20 years being adjacent to pro-sports and entertainment.  I have never, in all that time, saw something as scary caught on camera as that, that got shown more than once.

I've seen worse - Owen Hart's death, Dennis Byrd's injury, they were horrific, but Owen's never been shown again, and Byrd was able to recover, and we could really identify everything. But nothing like that. Watching his hands curl up like that was sickening and every person who's ever been involved with combat sports or team athletics at practically any level should be skeeved and angry right now.


Not that I disagree with the overall sentiment, but didn't they show shaziers injury at least a half dozen times during the game, and plenty more after? I saw it live so maybe I'm just misremembering cuz it played in my head about a dozen times at least ..
 
2022-09-30 1:26:44 PM  

Tom-Servo: I still find it troubling that the NFL players themselves still continue to unnecessarily violently and viciously "tackle" the opposing players. In may cases it's clear they are intentionally trying to injure, and not just take down and tackle.


I forget what game it was a couple of weeks ago where some linebacker effectively powerbombed a running back into the turf at the goal line...but I feel like that should have been A Moment.  That should have been a "OK, that's a wrap" moment where it was established that future similar moves would be met with harsh penalties.
 
2022-09-30 1:34:49 PM  
If there were no fans, there would be no sport
 
2022-09-30 1:36:34 PM  
There were other hits by the Bengals D last night that were questionable, one in particular where the RB was about to hit the turf and the LB picked the guy up and pretty much gave him the Captain Insano Powerbomb.
 
2022-09-30 1:37:22 PM  

saintstryfe: but Owen's never been shown again,


It was never shown in the first place, the fall occurred while they were running a prior taped backstage hype piece.  The only people that saw Owen fall were the ones in the arena.
 
2022-09-30 1:39:35 PM  

Tom-Servo: I still find it troubling that the NFL players themselves still continue to unnecessarily violently and viciously "tackle" the opposing players. In may cases it's clear they are intentionally trying to injure, and not just take down and tackle.


Um, the tackle last night wasn't violent. If Tua wasn't suffering from a previous back and head injury, I doubt last night would have caused him any issues.
 
2022-09-30 1:40:03 PM  

ChrisDe: snocone: After years of observing how well the NFL polices itself in these matters it should be obvious to all but the NFL that an outside agency is required to protect the players from the money grubbing NFL.

The NFL has investigated your statement, but found no basis to change anything.


The NFL will be grumpy with Miami for risking a less-expendable asset and making it a possibility that the Tua-less Miami games might be less profitable without a "name quarterback".  Had it been a replaceable player that doesn't even sell jerseys even less farks would have been given.

But since the Miami owner presumably has his massive ego invested in the success of the team, there isn't much more they are willing to change the results.

rjakobi: Yeah, it's starting to be apparent that this "Warrior's Code" is more of a "Gladiator's Code".

You're not supposed to understand.  Just die for our satisfaction.


Is anyone going to claim that the NFL fans care more about the players than the owners?  That would be a huge stretch.  Lots of people tune in every Sunday (and Monday, and Thursday..., not to mention college ball on Saturday) for a long night of murderball.  And then whine while the part-time refs struggle to figure out how to call the new rules the owners come up with every year.

I love to hate on the owners (especially enjoying local subsides on monopoly profits), but the fans love their bloody game.
 
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2022-09-30 1:46:46 PM  

Clutch2013: Tom-Servo: I still find it troubling that the NFL players themselves still continue to unnecessarily violently and viciously "tackle" the opposing players. In may cases it's clear they are intentionally trying to injure, and not just take down and tackle.

I forget what game it was a couple of weeks ago where some linebacker effectively powerbombed a running back into the turf at the goal line...but I feel like that should have been A Moment.  That should have been a "OK, that's a wrap" moment where it was established that future similar moves would be met with harsh penalties.


Yup, I remember watching that waiting for a hail of yellow on the field, nothing. I'm thinking at the time dude should've been ejected. Not a single damn consequence
 
2022-09-30 1:48:35 PM  

OhioUGrad: Tom-Servo: I still find it troubling that the NFL players themselves still continue to unnecessarily violently and viciously "tackle" the opposing players. In may cases it's clear they are intentionally trying to injure, and not just take down and tackle.

Um, the tackle last night wasn't violent. If Tua wasn't suffering from a previous back and head injury, I doubt last night would have caused him any issues.


Yes it was, it was a tackle with a whipping motion to his head. It wasn't dirty, but it was violent.
 
2022-09-30 2:06:41 PM  

saintstryfe: I have never, in all that time, saw something as scary caught on camera as that, that got shown more than once.


Yeah, I was in the TNF thread and said, after about the 5th or 6th SLOW MOTION REPLAY, "ok, no way Amazon shows this again."  and we got another 3-4 replays and opposite angle reviews.  Not a good look.


phimuskapsi: Yes it was, it was a tackle with a whipping motion to his head. It wasn't dirty, but it was violent.


yeah.  i've seen nobody say it was a dirty hit.  it was just the brutal physics of football.
 
2022-09-30 2:12:29 PM  
The important part is billionaires who inherited the team and wealth make shiat tons of money because we like watching sports
 
2022-09-30 2:13:44 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: snocone: After years of observing how well the NFL polices itself in these matters it should be obvious to all but the NFL that an outside agency is required to protect the players from the money grubbing NFL.

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rjakobi: Yeah, it's starting to be apparent that this "Warrior's Code" is more of a "Gladiator's Code".

You're not supposed to understand.  Just die for our satisfaction.

"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion. I'm just telling you: Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting slaughtered. Just watch. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. When you take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business." -- Mark Cuban (2014)

https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-proposed-playoff-expansion-could-be-tipping-point-in-greed-015752890.html


Somewhere, a middle schooler who is being recruited to play for the local Catholic HS powerhouse is watching this, and will be the first player to spurn the first overall NFL Draft pick, saying he made enough NIL money in college and will retire, not wanting to spend his 40's counting to potato.
 
2022-09-30 2:17:21 PM  

rickythepenguin: Yeah, I was in the TNF thread and said, after about the 5th or 6th SLOW MOTION REPLAY, "ok, no way Amazon shows this again." and we got another 3-4 replays and opposite angle reviews. Not a good look.


This is the network that airs The Boys. That's on brand for them.
 
2022-09-30 2:25:29 PM  
Is it just his hands that are freaking everybody out? Players get hit in the head on every play.
You're still going to watch it.
 
2022-09-30 2:29:57 PM  

devilskware: Is it just his hands that are freaking everybody out? Players get hit in the head on every play.
You're still going to watch it.


most players didn't take a full concussion they should have been on watch for 4 days earlier.
 
2022-09-30 2:30:49 PM  

UNC_Samurai: saintstryfe: but Owen's never been shown again,

It was never shown in the first place, the fall occurred while they were running a prior taped backstage hype piece.  The only people that saw Owen fall were the ones in the arena.


you're right, that was so upsetting I think of some of the fan captured images that we've seen as moving video sometimes.
 
2022-09-30 2:34:23 PM  

phimuskapsi: OhioUGrad: Tom-Servo: I still find it troubling that the NFL players themselves still continue to unnecessarily violently and viciously "tackle" the opposing players. In may cases it's clear they are intentionally trying to injure, and not just take down and tackle.

Um, the tackle last night wasn't violent. If Tua wasn't suffering from a previous back and head injury, I doubt last night would have caused him any issues.

Yes it was, it was a tackle with a whipping motion to his head. It wasn't dirty, but it was violent.


He was absolutely unconscious once the rotation started. His body seizes at that moment.
 
2022-09-30 2:36:08 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Bith Set Me Up: snocone: After years of observing how well the NFL polices itself in these matters it should be obvious to all but the NFL that an outside agency is required to protect the players from the money grubbing NFL.

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rjakobi: Yeah, it's starting to be apparent that this "Warrior's Code" is more of a "Gladiator's Code".

You're not supposed to understand.  Just die for our satisfaction.

"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion. I'm just telling you: Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting slaughtered. Just watch. Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. When you take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business." -- Mark Cuban (2014)

https://www.yahoo.com/now/nfl-proposed-playoff-expansion-could-be-tipping-point-in-greed-015752890.html

Somewhere, a middle schooler who is being recruited to play for the local Catholic HS powerhouse is watching this, and will be the first player to spurn the first overall NFL Draft pick, saying he made enough NIL money in college and will retire, not wanting to spend his 40's counting to potato.


Nope. Any player good enough to make the NFL has been told their entire life that they are special. There is no way that kind of injury will happen to them.Same reason that they all blow their money in the first few years. They aren't some scrub whose career will only last a couple years.

It's a horribly violent sport that uses up players like toilet paper and I usually go to at least one game a season. Go Chiefs.
 
2022-09-30 2:52:06 PM  
as a bills fan i hate all things fish, but watching the poor motherfarker stumble and teeter attempting his way back to the huddle was legit scary AF. it is not fair to tua, and there must be limits to the bloodsport.
 
2022-09-30 2:53:35 PM  
The moment I saw the hit and Tua on the ground with his hands shaking in the air and his fingers twisted in ways that were just...not....normal, I switched channels.

\Ugly and Scary.
 
2022-09-30 2:55:18 PM  
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2022-09-30 3:01:09 PM  
It's times like this that I really start to question my fandom, and wonder what, exactly, WILL it take for me to finally stop watching?  It's not a good feeling.
 
2022-09-30 3:06:25 PM  
Judy Battista on NFL Network tweeted earlier that "NFL Chief Medical Officer Dr. Allen Sills says Tua Tagovailoa was checked for concussion symptoms every day since Sunday. Points out independent neuro expert had to clear him. Once review is done, full results will be released publicly."

Bear in mind that he was taken to a level 1 trauma center last night (UC Medical Center, I think) and the doctors there cleared him.  Unless they're also part of some grand conspiracy.

I said this in another thread: if the Dolphins put Tua on the field knowing full well he had a concussion last game then they deserve whatever punishment comes their way.  If they followed protocol and he still got injured, then maybe it's time for the NFL to update the concussion protocol.  Or for LBs to stop body-slamming people to the ground.  You know if that tackle was done on Tom, Lamar, or Aaron, they'd be facing a suspension and fines.
 
2022-09-30 3:21:43 PM  
Watching that last night felt like watching a crime take place.
 
2022-09-30 3:28:33 PM  

craigzy: as a bills fan i hate all things fish, but watching the poor motherfarker stumble and teeter attempting his way back to the huddle was legit scary AF. it is not fair to tua, and there must be limits to the bloodsport.


I'm a Bills fan too, and I thought last night was incredibly sad and disturbing. I want 15 years of Josh and Tua battling, a la Dan and Jimbo. Make Fish v Bills fun again, like it was in the 80s/90s. If Tua's career gets cut short because of this, that's a goddamn tragedy.
 
2022-09-30 3:30:56 PM  

snocone: After years of observing how well the NFL polices itself in these matters it should be obvious to all but the NFL that an outside agency is required to protect the players from the money grubbing NFL.


That should be the player's union.
 
2022-09-30 3:34:14 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Bear in mind that he was taken to a level 1 trauma center last night (UC Medical Center, I think) and the doctors there cleared him.  Unless they're also part of some grand conspiracy.


they can't force him to stay. A young man like Tua, who' been indoctrinated into "Next Man up" knows he's not gonna get another real chance, so he's of course gonna do anything to stay with his team. He's gonna pretend its not, and if he doesn,t he's gonna be called weak, not comitted, a sissy, or probably something racist because of his skin color.

Galileo's Daughter: If they followed protocol and he still got injured, then maybe it's time for the NFL to update the concussion protocol.


It's not that the protocol itself is wrong - it's that the NFL has a vested interest in keeping players playing. This was one of the first Thursday Night amazon games and they wanted a premier matchup, and if Tua was out, then it would have suffered. And no one with money wanted that, so the process slipped him through. There's plenty of wiggle room the whole way around.
 
2022-09-30 3:34:46 PM  

iron_city_ap: It's nice to see that the players 'union' is pretending to start taking concussions seriously.

The league has a specialist on the sidelines who consults with the team's doctor.  That guy cleared Tua to go back in. The 'union' should be threatening to shut the league down for the remainder of this week.


Except...their members don't get paid then. Ergo, neither do they
 
2022-09-30 3:38:16 PM  

OhioUGrad: Tom-Servo: I still find it troubling that the NFL players themselves still continue to unnecessarily violently and viciously "tackle" the opposing players. In may cases it's clear they are intentionally trying to injure, and not just take down and tackle.

Um, the tackle last night wasn't violent. If Tua wasn't suffering from a previous back and head injury, I doubt last night would have caused him any issues.


Yeah, it was a perfectly normal tackle and the fall looked normal too.  Just a regular ol' sack.

I'd be willing to bet a VERY large sum of money that he suffered some sort of nerve impingement in his neck or back (as he wasn't healed from the back problem the last time) and it just looked horrifying but really wasn't.

Course, it still means he needs to sit out a while either way.  If a completely normal sack makes you look like you had a giant seizure, probably not worth playing until everyone says it's ok... no matter what the reason.
 
2022-09-30 3:40:09 PM  

fat boy: If there were no fans, there would be no sport


That's quite the take. Remember that rotten.com and LiveLeaks drew eyeballs too
 
2022-09-30 3:41:49 PM  

CrazedAndBemused: There were other hits by the Bengals D last night that were questionable, one in particular where the RB was about to hit the turf and the LB picked the guy up and pretty much gave him the Captain Insano Powerbomb.


That move has become more popular in the NFL this year.
 
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