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(NASCAR)   NASCAR's "safer" Next Gen car gives another championship contender a concussion   (nascar.com) divider line
    More: Sad, Sprint Cup Series, Hendrick Motorsports, Jeff Gordon, Hendrick Motorsports' request, Texas Motor Speedway, Noah Gragson of JR Motorsports, concussion-like symptoms, Talladega Superspeedway  
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441 clicks; posted to Sports » on 29 Sep 2022 at 10:09 PM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-09-29 9:23:51 PM  
Alright, Big John's turn.
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2022-09-29 10:53:35 PM  
Oh Christ...It's motor racing. At high speed. Seriously?

Orange slices and Capri Sun when they come in for pit stops?

Get outta here.
 
2022-09-29 10:58:42 PM  
F*ck me running.  They need to scrap that car.  Burn them all to the ground and pull the older cars out of mothballs.  This is stupid.
 
2022-09-30 12:31:36 AM  

fatalvenom: Oh Christ...It's motor racing. At high speed. Seriously?

Orange slices and Capri Sun when they come in for pit stops?

Get outta here.


The old car allowed drivers to walk away without a scratch, even after going straight into the catch fence.  Ryan Newman nearly got launched to the Moon, and lived.  If he was to have that wreck in this car, he'd be dead.
 
2022-09-30 12:32:15 AM  

Clutch2013: F*ck me running.  They need to scrap that car.  Burn them all to the ground and pull the older cars out of mothballs.  This is stupid.


Sounds like both Harvick and Hamlin would agree with you.
 
2022-09-30 3:01:30 AM  
I know NASCAR doesn't care at all, but they lost a lifetime fan with that POS
 
2022-09-30 3:36:02 AM  

Clutch2013: F*ck me running.  They need to scrap that car.  Burn them all to the ground and pull the older cars out of mothballs.  This is stupid.


The Ford's are all spontaneously combusting already anyway. Chevy's and Toyota's may need some lighter fluid.
 
2022-09-30 5:09:21 AM  
Does nascar have G sensors in their cars like F1?
 
2022-09-30 6:02:30 AM  
Sheet metal has a lot more give than these asinine carbon panels. Sure, the cars are more robust, but humans aren't. All of that crash energy is being transferred to the driver.

It doesn't take an engineer to see that.
 
2022-09-30 7:57:00 AM  

bluorangefyre: The old car allowed drivers to walk away without a scratch, even after going straight into the catch fence.  Ryan Newman nearly got launched to the Moon, and lived.  If he was to have that wreck in this car, he'd be dead.


The other issue is that these cars can take such a larger amount of punishment than the previous generation, drivers are still out there taking hits when they would have otherwise been towed to the garage.
 
2022-09-30 10:34:07 AM  
Yes, they have G sensors.

IMHO, part of the problem is that the we have had major tire issues.  You can blame it on camber or low air pressure or anything you want.  When I driver loses a tire at 180 in a corner and pancakes a wall, yes it is going to hurt.

The second problem is that the car doesn't give the driver any indication that it is going to spin out.  The old car would start sliding and they could save it.  The new car just snaps with little indication, so more drivers are hitting the wall.

I guess maybe the car is a bit more rigid.  It also has a composite body, maybe they underestimated how much crash absorption the steel body provided.  I think the sheer number of one car wrecks has added to the amount of concussions.

That said, concussions happened a lot in the past, the difference is that drivers hid them.  Remember when Ralph Dale Jr. was applauded for basically being the first driver to take himself out of the car?  Drivers are now taking CTE seriously, so they aren't hiding any symptoms.

Anyone who doesn't like the current on track racing of the new car needs to have their head examined.  And for gods sake, I don't care about 5 lugnuts and you shouldn't either.
 
2022-09-30 11:06:39 AM  
So you crash at 200+ MPH and have nothing worse than a concussion? Yeah subby, we should totes wrap the drivers in bubble wrap, wrap the bubble wrap in bubble wrap, make the cars out of bubble wrap, and wrap THOSE in bubble wrap.
 
2022-09-30 11:36:05 AM  

belome: Yes, they have G sensors.

IMHO, part of the problem is that the we have had major tire issues.  You can blame it on camber or low air pressure or anything you want.  When I driver loses a tire at 180 in a corner and pancakes a wall, yes it is going to hurt.

The second problem is that the car doesn't give the driver any indication that it is going to spin out.  The old car would start sliding and they could save it.  The new car just snaps with little indication, so more drivers are hitting the wall.

I guess maybe the car is a bit more rigid.  It also has a composite body, maybe they underestimated how much crash absorption the steel body provided.  I think the sheer number of one car wrecks has added to the amount of concussions.

That said, concussions happened a lot in the past, the difference is that drivers hid them.  Remember when Ralph Dale Jr. was applauded for basically being the first driver to take himself out of the car?  Drivers are now taking CTE seriously, so they aren't hiding any symptoms.

Anyone who doesn't like the current on track racing of the new car needs to have their head examined.  And for gods sake, I don't care about 5 lugnuts and you shouldn't either.


I don't give a f*ck about the centerlug wheels, except to point out how hilarious it is that NASCAR is that inept with...what, mid-70s tech?

No, what does bother me is that they've taken the usual path of "SEND IT" while drivers are actively complaining of harder hits, the cars themselves are self-immolating at times, and now two drivers who were actively contending for the championship are sidelined and out of it because the car basically beat them senseless.  It doesn't matter what drivers used to do in this case.  What matters is the situation now, and by the second or third week that Kurt Busch had to give up his seat, NASCAR needed to publically get out in front of this.

Another thing - the racing is not better.  The cars are worse, and drivers like Ross Chastain are taking advantage of that with their own varieties of SEND IT that work.  Sometimes.  But that easily could have happened with the older, faster, and arguably safer cars.

What needs to happen at this point is NASCAR needs to get over themselves.  This car's a clusterf*ck, and has been since they started breaking rear axles and tie rods at that stupid stadium "race" in L.A.  Cut the nonsense, get someone like Dallara or Pratt & Miller or Riley Motorsports to design a car, and pay them whatever they need.  And get their stupid Le Mans sidequest out of their heads - this car can't handle a short track.  It's not ready for the Mulsanne.
 
2022-09-30 11:50:35 AM  

Clutch2013: belome: Yes, they have G sensors.

IMHO, part of the problem is that the we have had major tire issues.  You can blame it on camber or low air pressure or anything you want.  When I driver loses a tire at 180 in a corner and pancakes a wall, yes it is going to hurt.

The second problem is that the car doesn't give the driver any indication that it is going to spin out.  The old car would start sliding and they could save it.  The new car just snaps with little indication, so more drivers are hitting the wall.

I guess maybe the car is a bit more rigid.  It also has a composite body, maybe they underestimated how much crash absorption the steel body provided.  I think the sheer number of one car wrecks has added to the amount of concussions.

That said, concussions happened a lot in the past, the difference is that drivers hid them.  Remember when Ralph Dale Jr. was applauded for basically being the first driver to take himself out of the car?  Drivers are now taking CTE seriously, so they aren't hiding any symptoms.

Anyone who doesn't like the current on track racing of the new car needs to have their head examined.  And for gods sake, I don't care about 5 lugnuts and you shouldn't either.

I don't give a f*ck about the centerlug wheels, except to point out how hilarious it is that NASCAR is that inept with...what, mid-70s tech?

No, what does bother me is that they've taken the usual path of "SEND IT" while drivers are actively complaining of harder hits, the cars themselves are self-immolating at times, and now two drivers who were actively contending for the championship are sidelined and out of it because the car basically beat them senseless.  It doesn't matter what drivers used to do in this case.  What matters is the situation now, and by the second or third week that Kurt Busch had to give up his seat, NASCAR needed to publically get out in front of this.

Another thing - the racing is not better.  The cars are worse, and drivers like Ross Chastain are taki ...


Clearly, we can't just get the old car out of the mothballs.  Are you saying we just scrap the rest of the season over safety concerns?  I mean, I see no other choice at this point?
 
2022-09-30 12:10:35 PM  

belome: Clutch2013: belome: Yes, they have G sensors.

IMHO, part of the problem is that the we have had major tire issues.  You can blame it on camber or low air pressure or anything you want.  When I driver loses a tire at 180 in a corner and pancakes a wall, yes it is going to hurt.

The second problem is that the car doesn't give the driver any indication that it is going to spin out.  The old car would start sliding and they could save it.  The new car just snaps with little indication, so more drivers are hitting the wall.

I guess maybe the car is a bit more rigid.  It also has a composite body, maybe they underestimated how much crash absorption the steel body provided.  I think the sheer number of one car wrecks has added to the amount of concussions.

That said, concussions happened a lot in the past, the difference is that drivers hid them.  Remember when Ralph Dale Jr. was applauded for basically being the first driver to take himself out of the car?  Drivers are now taking CTE seriously, so they aren't hiding any symptoms.

Anyone who doesn't like the current on track racing of the new car needs to have their head examined.  And for gods sake, I don't care about 5 lugnuts and you shouldn't either.

I don't give a f*ck about the centerlug wheels, except to point out how hilarious it is that NASCAR is that inept with...what, mid-70s tech?

No, what does bother me is that they've taken the usual path of "SEND IT" while drivers are actively complaining of harder hits, the cars themselves are self-immolating at times, and now two drivers who were actively contending for the championship are sidelined and out of it because the car basically beat them senseless.  It doesn't matter what drivers used to do in this case.  What matters is the situation now, and by the second or third week that Kurt Busch had to give up his seat, NASCAR needed to publically get out in front of this.

Another thing - the racing is not better.  The cars are worse, and drivers like Ross Chastain are taki ...

Clearly, we can't just get the old car out of the mothballs.  Are you saying we just scrap the rest of the season over safety concerns?  I mean, I see no other choice at this point?


At the very least, NASCAR should reconsider running this week, given that it's the kind of track that doesn't look kindly on YOLO.  And moving forward, NASCAR also needs to lift the ban on in-house parts on the next car, or at the very least vet suppliers that don't f*cking suck.
 
2022-09-30 1:09:14 PM  

Mikey1969: So you crash at 200+ MPH and have nothing worse than a concussion? Yeah subby, we should totes wrap the drivers in bubble wrap, wrap the bubble wrap in bubble wrap, make the cars out of bubble wrap, and wrap THOSE in bubble wrap.


This was at Texas, so speeds were a good bit lower than 200.  Thing is, NASCAR's been hyping this car up so hard that it should almost be reasonable to expect this not to happen.  Kurt Busch's Pocono crash was even slower, and he's still not cleared to return.  And now NASCAR can't use that as an excuse.

This car was not ready for primetime.  That deal with the Devil was always going to be collected on.  I'm sure Daytona Beach was hoping the season would be done and dusted before they had to pay that bill, but this is racing.
 
2022-09-30 1:22:37 PM  
I'm sort of in the same line of thinking as David Poole was.  I think Daytona and Talleydagger should be torn down.  The fact that more haven't been hurt and killed during "the big ones" is amazing.

I do think you are being overly dramatical in your generalizations about the new car being significantly unsafer though.  Of course, after what Tua taught us last night, I'm bet NASCAR is wetting themselves a little bit know we are going to the dagger.
 
2022-09-30 2:21:13 PM  

belome: I'm sort of in the same line of thinking as David Poole was.  I think Daytona and Talleydagger should be torn down.  The fact that more haven't been hurt and killed during "the big ones" is amazing.

I do think you are being overly dramatical in your generalizations about the new car being significantly unsafer though.  Of course, after what Tua taught us last night, I'm bet NASCAR is wetting themselves a little bit know we are going to the dagger.


The problems aren't necessarily the tracks - it's the cars and the drivers and NASCAR.  These cars are tailor-made for the tight packs we see at those tracks (and Atlanta) because that puts (redneck) butts in seats, and because of that drivers can't pull away like they should be able to.  As far as the drivers go, some of them are way too aggressive for those speeds and have the air of "It can't happen to me."  And NASCAR encourages all of that - the blocking, the weaving, the banging off of each other, the 550 package - for the spectacle.

At the bare minimum, the 550 package has to go.  The drivers wanted more difficult cars; oblige them.  Make the 670 setup the only standard, and let the teams deal with that.  If you have to lift going into the corners and the other guy doesn't, well, that's a you problem.  Personally, I also feel like NASCAR needs to adopt FIA GT4 standards and start running those cars instead.  I'd sure love to see a proof-of-concept race run at Daytona or Charlotte with GT4-spec cars and see how those work out.  The other thing that can be done is NASCAR can pull their heads out of their asses and start policing the driving more.  It's possible to Let Them Race while still quashing the stupid sh*t, like William Byron punting Denny Hamlin under caution.
 
2022-09-30 6:07:31 PM  
And Cody Ware makes three. At least his injuries are bone-related.  This time.
 
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