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(Billboard)   Guess who sold the rights to their stu-stu-studio albums?   (billboard.com) divider line
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2022-09-29 4:29:58 PM  
The Canadian rock band  The Guess Who? What do I win?
 
2022-09-29 4:38:30 PM  
Fine by me. If I do pick up a Genesis album, it will be used vinyl.
 
2022-09-29 4:55:29 PM  
Mel Tillis?
 
2022-09-29 5:38:20 PM  
Oh Lord.
 
2022-09-29 5:39:17 PM  
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OH! Stu-Stu. Read that wrong.
 
2022-09-29 5:39:28 PM  
Someone soon to be shopping for an island in a tax haven in the Caribbean or Grand Caymans?
 
2022-09-29 5:46:00 PM  
Collins solo hits as "In The Air Tonight," which according to Luminate has 7.26 million song consumption units,

I'm guessing that's sales. Just a weird way of saying it.
 
2022-09-29 5:46:59 PM  
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2022-09-29 6:00:50 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: The Canadian rock band  The Guess Who? What do I win?


It's Peter Gabriel's backup band.
 
2022-09-29 6:02:31 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Collins solo hits as "In The Air Tonight," which according to Luminate has 7.26 million song consumption units,

I'm guessing that's sales. Just a weird way of saying it.


Probably also includes streaming, which isn't a purchase.
 
2022-09-29 6:04:20 PM  
That's actually a reasonable price. Not like when Neil Young sold his back catalogue for some beads and fire water.
 
2022-09-29 6:06:07 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Collins solo hits as "In The Air Tonight," which according to Luminate has 7.26 million song consumption units,

I'm guessing that's sales. Just a weird way of saying it.


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/file photo of copy editor
 
2022-09-29 6:16:42 PM  
"Seconds Out" is one of the best live albums ever. The piano and guitar solo in Firth of Fifth is top five in my book.
 
2022-09-29 6:27:25 PM  

optikeye: Someone soon to be shopping for an island in a tax haven in the Caribbean or Grand Caymans?


More likely the divorce settlements not to mention the medical bills. He looks like a broke down Ernest T. Bass.
 
2022-09-29 6:36:53 PM  

optikeye: Someone soon to be shopping for an island in a tax haven in the Caribbean or Grand Caymans?


oh please no, not the Grand Caymans.
easily the most boring island on the caribean.
 
2022-09-29 6:37:54 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Collins solo hits as "In The Air Tonight," which according to Luminate has 7.26 million song consumption units,

I'm guessing that's sales. Just a weird way of saying it.


It's a means of quantifying the rate of consumption of sensory data perceived as 'music' assimilated by the carbon units infesting Earth.

... but that's not important right now.
 
2022-09-29 6:38:34 PM  
Good chunk of change to pass onto your heirs rather than having them try to manage the rights over the coming decades.  Three guys who sold 100 million albums as a solo artist and another 100 million as part of a group:  Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney and Phil Collins.

The Genius Of Phil Collins
Youtube Yn4pCWilXCc
 
2022-09-29 6:39:34 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Collins solo hits as "In The Air Tonight," which according to Luminate has 7.26 million song consumption units,

I'm guessing that's sales. Just a weird way of saying it.


I loved that tune back in the day.
my neighbors with school age children, not so much.
 
2022-09-29 6:45:56 PM  

goodluckwiththat: optikeye: Someone soon to be shopping for an island in a tax haven in the Caribbean or Grand Caymans?

oh please no, not the Grand Caymans.
easily the most boring island on the caribean.


What's the one David Bowie owned?
 
2022-09-29 7:06:45 PM  
Who's left who hasn't sold? Billy, Elton, U2, Garth?
 
2022-09-29 7:06:59 PM  
I'm really glad to see him cash in on his portfolio. Downloading and streaming have cut the direct revenues for most older artists leaving concerts as the only option and he can't perform any more.
 
2022-09-29 7:07:34 PM  

Already Disturbed: Who's left who hasn't sold? Billy, Elton, U2, Garth?


Scratch Garth, he wasn't (sole) songwriter on most of his catalog so that's a complication.
 
2022-09-29 7:24:04 PM  
No hate to any of the parties involved, but seems odd to me that they could get that money back.  It's a lengthy group of catalogs, but nothing's making me go over to a streaming service to listen to what really amounts to easy listening retirement home music, with some pretty cool stuff around the edges.
 
2022-09-29 7:26:17 PM  
Dinty Moore?
 
2022-09-29 7:34:51 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Dinty Moore?


*vomits*

God...

God..

It's been 20 years (next week actually) and I still can't stand that stuff...

/last meal before... a nasty food borne illness made for some of the most miserable days of my life
 
2022-09-29 7:44:30 PM  

puffy999: kling_klang_bed: Dinty Moore?

*vomits*

God...

God..

It's been 20 years (next week actually) and I still can't stand that stuff...

/last meal before... a nasty food borne illness made for some of the most miserable days of my life


Next time don't heat it up. Cold and straight from the can
 
2022-09-29 7:59:39 PM  

kling_klang_bed: Dinty Moore?


There was a time when  I was up in Corning New York and the town had a flash flood, my father, brother and I had  to get out out of town because the whole town went 15 feet deep under water, after getting to higher ground and at a campsite there was nothing better.
 
2022-09-29 8:16:02 PM  
Portal Radio HD Loop 10 Hours
Youtube YPP4uUtofdc
 
2022-09-29 8:19:39 PM  

Already Disturbed: Already Disturbed: Who's left who hasn't sold? Billy, Elton, U2, Garth?

Scratch Garth, he wasn't (sole) songwriter on most of his catalog so that's a complication.


Quorthon AKA "Bathory". His back catalog, famously, went from about a million in 2010 - when Geffen wanted to buy it - to $450,000,000 in 2021.

Slayer, Dimmu Borgir, Black Sabbath, Cradle of Filth, Immortal, Madonna (IIRC she's required to take a buy-out), Foo Fighters, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Bonnie Raitt and Dire Straits are the last hold-outs of the "Old Guard" that have record catalogs valued at +$100,000,000.

I just had a disagreement with my friend about this - and Slayer is far and away the most profitable band in the future, with GBDG (Geffen, and his companies) wanting to buy the catalog in 2019 for "More than the GDP of Rhode Island". That's $500,000,000. Their last album with Nuclear Blast soured the deal, and he pulled the offer.

/Before you think I'm fanboying... Metal is the only genre where Spotify, Pandora and Meta(whatever it is now) can't track its pulse. The "Golden Days" of MySpace (MEMBA THAT?!) are coming back in full-force through... WEBSITES. I KNOW.
//MySpace has not-so-quietly become the "We Are Here" place for metalheads. Justin Timberlake (Who owns MySpace... now you know) has said he didn't "get" Metal... until he said he might sell the site, and instead of getting hate mail and death threats... got musicians telling him, "Without you, we die. Facebook wants urban music. Social media sites outside of it cater to electronica/dance music. Industrial and Metal will die without you." Courtesy of M. Shadows and Zacky Vengeance from Avenged Sevenfold (who really don't need MySpace).

"JT" refused to sell. "I eat a million dollars, and get a million thanks.... that's fair. How do you argue with people who have a top HUNDRED list, and not top ten? These are MY people!"

...Says the guy who 'Doesn't Get Metal'... seems like he does better than most fans of the genre...

/Also, "MySpace will not censor. Freedom of Speech is not an agreement, it is an order required for equivalent exchange regardless of platform. We Are Not China." (2008 Presidential Election)
 
2022-09-29 8:49:32 PM  
What is Concord?
 
2022-09-29 8:54:26 PM  

Vacation Bible School: Collins solo hits as "In The Air Tonight," which according to Luminate has 7.26 million song consumption units,

I'm guessing that's sales. Just a weird way of saying it.


Streams. Not sales.
 
2022-09-29 8:58:45 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: No hate to any of the parties involved, but seems odd to me that they could get that money back.  It's a lengthy group of catalogs, but nothing's making me go over to a streaming service to listen to what really amounts to easy listening retirement home music, with some pretty cool stuff around the edges.


They'll make their money on expensive half speed 180 gram special edition vinyl releases.
 
2022-09-29 8:58:55 PM  
Just in case there's some Farker who claims Phil is an overrated drummer known for one fill.  (Heh, Phil...fill). Anyway.  Some pretty badass drum work here

Genesis - Dance on a Volcano
Youtube TBcnjx05a1s
 
2022-09-29 9:09:04 PM  
And this is still one of my favorite crank up in the car songs.  Love this 7/4 groove!

Genesis - Turn It on Again
Youtube StfLy3pzno0
 
2022-09-29 9:10:45 PM  

radiovox: And this is still one of my favorite crank up in the car songs.  Love this 7/4 groove!

[YouTube video: Genesis - Turn It on Again]


🍺
 
2022-09-29 9:12:11 PM  

puffy999: kling_klang_bed: Dinty Moore?

*vomits*

God...

God..

It's been 20 years (next week actually) and I still can't stand that stuff...

/last meal before... a nasty food borne illness made for some of the most miserable days of my life


I forget the name of it, but there was a drink my friend made back in the day with that (beef stew) and whiskey mixed together.
 
2022-09-29 9:17:55 PM  
And this beauty...remade in 1999...freaking WOW!  Even though Phil and Peter weren't in the studio together for this, it's exquisite.  At the 1:17 mark when Phil joins Peter on the vocals...damn!  And then my favorite part of the song happens at 2:54 when Gabriel reminds us of just how damn good of a vocalist he is.  farking CHILLS!

Genesis - Turn It on Again
Youtube StfLy3pzno0
 
2022-09-29 9:18:34 PM  
Dammit!  Wrong video linked
The Carpet Crawlers (1999 Version)
Youtube wdWy-xTDm7c
 
2022-09-29 9:32:58 PM  

radiovox: Dammit!  Wrong video linked
[YouTube video: The Carpet Crawlers (1999 Version)]


And if memory serves, this was the last time Collins, Gabriel, Banks, Rutherford and Hackett all played on a Genesis song, despite recording their parts at different times.
 
2022-09-29 10:18:27 PM  

KingKauff: "Seconds Out" is one of the best live albums ever. The piano and guitar solo in Firth of Fifth is top five in my book.


Steve Hackett cane through town earlier this year. The first half of the show was his (very good) solo stuff and the second half they played Seconds Out in it's entirety.  A magical evening.
 
2022-09-29 10:21:17 PM  

little big man: Good chunk of change to pass onto your heirs rather than having them try to manage the rights over the coming decades.  Three guys who sold 100 million albums as a solo artist and another 100 million as part of a group:  Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney and Phil Collins.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Yn4pCWilXCc]


CSS: Last year, the wife wanted to get the remaster of "No Jacket Required".  This led to getting all of Phil Collins' solo work, and a compilation album called "Plays Well With Others".  I doubt it is in print anymore because it is a rights nightmare on par with Moonlighting.  All the songs feature Phil Collins on drums for the likes of Brian Eno, Robert Plant, Tears For Fears, Eric Clapton, and Peter Gabriel.  It's a fascinating collection, and getting it in turn led us to discovering The Phil Collins Big Band and the 2004 album "A Hot Night In Paris".  If you can find them, they are worth the purchase.
 
2022-09-29 10:23:49 PM  
I've got the vinyls and the definitive 5.1 remasters already, so go ahead and do what you like.
 
2022-09-29 10:41:47 PM  

Jedekai: Already Disturbed: Already Disturbed: Who's left who hasn't sold? Billy, Elton, U2, Garth?

Scratch Garth, he wasn't (sole) songwriter on most of his catalog so that's a complication.

Quorthon AKA "Bathory". His back catalog, famously, went from about a million in 2010 - when Geffen wanted to buy it - to $450,000,000 in 2021.

Slayer, Dimmu Borgir, Black Sabbath, Cradle of Filth, Immortal, Madonna (IIRC she's required to take a buy-out), Foo Fighters, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Bonnie Raitt and Dire Straits are the last hold-outs of the "Old Guard" that have record catalogs valued at +$100,000,000.

I just had a disagreement with my friend about this - and Slayer is far and away the most profitable band in the future, with GBDG (Geffen, and his companies) wanting to buy the catalog in 2019 for "More than the GDP of Rhode Island". That's $500,000,000. Their last album with Nuclear Blast soured the deal, and he pulled the offer.

/Before you think I'm fanboying... Metal is the only genre where Spotify, Pandora and Meta(whatever it is now) can't track its pulse. The "Golden Days" of MySpace (MEMBA THAT?!) are coming back in full-force through... WEBSITES. I KNOW.
//MySpace has not-so-quietly become the "We Are Here" place for metalheads. Justin Timberlake (Who owns MySpace... now you know) has said he didn't "get" Metal... until he said he might sell the site, and instead of getting hate mail and death threats... got musicians telling him, "Without you, we die. Facebook wants urban music. Social media sites outside of it cater to electronica/dance music. Industrial and Metal will die without you." Courtesy of M. Shadows and Zacky Vengeance from Avenged Sevenfold (who really don't need MySpace).

"JT" refused to sell. "I eat a million dollars, and get a million thanks.... that's fair. How do you argue with people who have a top HUNDRED list, and not top ten? These are MY people!"

...Says the guy who 'Doesn't Get Metal'... seems like he does better than most fans of the genre... ...


I like metal as much as anyone, but if you think the Bathory and Slayer catalogs are worth more than Dylan you're farking insane.
 
2022-09-29 11:58:50 PM  

radiovox: Just in case there's some Farker who claims Phil is an overrated drummer known for one fill.  (Heh, Phil...fill). Anyway.  Some pretty badass drum work here

[YouTube video: Genesis - Dance on a Volcano]


Or Cinema Show. Or Supper's Ready. Etc.
 
2022-09-30 2:04:44 AM  

harleyquinnical: little big man: Good chunk of change to pass onto your heirs rather than having them try to manage the rights over the coming decades.  Three guys who sold 100 million albums as a solo artist and another 100 million as part of a group:  Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney and Phil Collins.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Yn4pCWilXCc]

CSS: Last year, the wife wanted to get the remaster of "No Jacket Required".  This led to getting all of Phil Collins' solo work, and a compilation album called "Plays Well With Others".  I doubt it is in print anymore because it is a rights nightmare on par with Moonlighting.  All the songs feature Phil Collins on drums for the likes of Brian Eno, Robert Plant, Tears For Fears, Eric Clapton, and Peter Gabriel.  It's a fascinating collection, and getting it in turn led us to discovering The Phil Collins Big Band and the 2004 album "A Hot Night In Paris".  If you can find them, they are worth the purchase.


Was lucky to catch him playing drums for one of Robert Plant's early solo tours. Great shows.
 
2022-09-30 6:30:23 AM  
You gotta get out while there's gold in the air.

Genesis - Deep In The Motherlode (Live 1980)
Youtube Pwedy4Ff9MU
 
2022-09-30 10:17:31 AM  

Great_Milenko: Vacation Bible School: Collins solo hits as "In The Air Tonight," which according to Luminate has 7.26 million song consumption units,

I'm guessing that's sales. Just a weird way of saying it.

Streams. Not sales.


Streams too. Downloads too

upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2022-09-30 10:56:54 AM  

drewogatory: Jedekai: Already Disturbed: Already Disturbed: Who's left who hasn't sold? Billy, Elton, U2, Garth?

Scratch Garth, he wasn't (sole) songwriter on most of his catalog so that's a complication.

Quorthon AKA "Bathory". His back catalog, famously, went from about a million in 2010 - when Geffen wanted to buy it - to $450,000,000 in 2021.

Slayer, Dimmu Borgir, Black Sabbath, Cradle of Filth, Immortal, Madonna (IIRC she's required to take a buy-out), Foo Fighters, Dr. Dre, Eminem, Bonnie Raitt and Dire Straits are the last hold-outs of the "Old Guard" that have record catalogs valued at +$100,000,000.

I just had a disagreement with my friend about this - and Slayer is far and away the most profitable band in the future, with GBDG (Geffen, and his companies) wanting to buy the catalog in 2019 for "More than the GDP of Rhode Island". That's $500,000,000. Their last album with Nuclear Blast soured the deal, and he pulled the offer.

/Before you think I'm fanboying... Metal is the only genre where Spotify, Pandora and Meta(whatever it is now) can't track its pulse. The "Golden Days" of MySpace (MEMBA THAT?!) are coming back in full-force through... WEBSITES. I KNOW.
//MySpace has not-so-quietly become the "We Are Here" place for metalheads. Justin Timberlake (Who owns MySpace... now you know) has said he didn't "get" Metal... until he said he might sell the site, and instead of getting hate mail and death threats... got musicians telling him, "Without you, we die. Facebook wants urban music. Social media sites outside of it cater to electronica/dance music. Industrial and Metal will die without you." Courtesy of M. Shadows and Zacky Vengeance from Avenged Sevenfold (who really don't need MySpace).

"JT" refused to sell. "I eat a million dollars, and get a million thanks.... that's fair. How do you argue with people who have a top HUNDRED list, and not top ten? These are MY people!"

...Says the guy who 'Doesn't Get Metal'... seems like he does better than most fans of the genre... ...

I like metal as much as anyone, but if you think the Bathory and Slayer catalogs are worth more than Dylan you're farking insane.


Yeah, Elton/Bernie catalog syncs alone would dwarf them I'd think. Has Billy Joel used his songs for any outside commercial purpose since Bosom Buddies?
 
2022-09-30 12:41:31 PM  

harleyquinnical: little big man: Good chunk of change to pass onto your heirs rather than having them try to manage the rights over the coming decades.  Three guys who sold 100 million albums as a solo artist and another 100 million as part of a group:  Michael Jackson, Paul McCartney and Phil Collins.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/Yn4pCWilXCc]

CSS: Last year, the wife wanted to get the remaster of "No Jacket Required".  This led to getting all of Phil Collins' solo work, and a compilation album called "Plays Well With Others".  I doubt it is in print anymore because it is a rights nightmare on par with Moonlighting.  All the songs feature Phil Collins on drums for the likes of Brian Eno, Robert Plant, Tears For Fears, Eric Clapton, and Peter Gabriel.  It's a fascinating collection, and getting it in turn led us to discovering The Phil Collins Big Band and the 2004 album "A Hot Night In Paris".  If you can find them, they are worth the purchase.


https://www.discogs.com/release/12582407-Phil-Collins-Plays-Well-With-Others
 
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