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(WXYZ Detroit)   Remember the peaceful 84-year-old anti-choice canvasser that was shot in the arm? More details are coming in and Farkers called it in the first thread   (wxyz.com) divider line
    More: Followup, Roe v. Wade, Associated Press, Abortion, 84-year-old Michigan woman, Human rights, United States Constitution, Detroit, Michigan  
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7376 clicks; posted to Politics » on 29 Sep 2022 at 3:42 PM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-09-29 2:18:50 PM  
Not everyone we had at least a couple of three Farkers who were upset that people weren't outraged about this and were doubly outraged we dared to say the antiabortion activist might be less than truthful
 
2022-09-29 2:34:01 PM  
"No one should fear violence while peacefully exercising their constitutionally protected right to ...


Complete that sentence.

\ privacy
 
2022-09-29 2:42:44 PM  

wademh: "No one should fear violence while peacefully exercising their constitutionally protected right to ...

Complete that sentence.

\ privacy


The correct answer is "be a dickhead on a strangers porch"

The correct answer is always "be a dickhead on a strangers porch"
 
2022-09-29 3:18:02 PM  
Eh. Sounds like some ground was stood to me.
 
2022-09-29 3:32:26 PM  

spongeboob: Not everyone we had at least a couple of three Farkers who were upset that people weren't outraged about this and were doubly outraged we dared to say the antiabortion activist might be less than truthful


My personal experience with anti abortion protesters supports the fact that they always lie. Even if you quote Scriptures to the Christian zealots, they say it ain't so. They call the police and whine their rights are violated. When one of their chief elderly leaders collapsed unconscious on the sidewalk, when told they had a man down, their first exclamation was what did we do to him? They say they'll help pregnant women with their medical needs and child raising, but they never did. When one of them assaulted a biker riding by, knocking him into an active traffic lane, they denied, even though the filmed the assault themselves.

/Fark forced-birth supporters.
 
2022-09-29 3:33:20 PM  
Ooh, the rare 1017 month abortion.
 
2022-09-29 3:45:11 PM  
Sharon Harvey said she told the woman to leave their property, but the woman responded, "Well, I have a right to be here,"

You have a right to be on private property?
Weird flex but OK, enjoy your body being full of lead.
 
2022-09-29 3:46:02 PM  
"No one should fear violence while peacefully exercising their constitutionally protected right to free speech,"

Nothing protected about sticking around on private property after you were asked to leave.
 
2022-09-29 3:46:38 PM  
She has a right to canvass -- and they have a right to tell her to leave.

When she chose instead to be truculent and refuse to recognize the fact that not everyone is obligated to listen to her bulls***, other bulls*** happened.

But respect for other people is "woke", so...
 
2022-09-29 3:47:03 PM  

wademh: "No one should fear violence while peacefully exercising their constitutionally protected right to ...

Complete that sentence.

\ privacy


bodily autonomy
 
2022-09-29 3:47:13 PM  
What? A Christian lie? Oh come on.
 
2022-09-29 3:47:28 PM  
So, trespasser accidentally shot while husband defends wife.

I'm sure all our gun wavers will be out in droves to speak up for the homeowner.
 
2022-09-29 3:47:30 PM  
I'm not going to say this woman deserved what happened to her but yes I am
 
2022-09-29 3:47:50 PM  

buster_v: What? A Christian lie? Oh come on.


They are all lying.
 
2022-09-29 3:47:54 PM  

Walker: Sharon Harvey said she told the woman to leave their property, but the woman responded, "Well, I have a right to be here,"

You have a right to be on private property?
Weird flex but OK, enjoy your body being full of lead.


She was lucky she was in Michigan.
If it was Texas, lot more chance we would be reading the homeowner say "she was screaming mad and coming right for us. I feared for my life." as they stood in front of a 6 foot sheet draped over something in their front lawn.
 
2022-09-29 3:48:21 PM  
I like how Faux is trying to drum this up as innocent pro-lifers being targeted by terrorists when they're the ones going door to door harassing people.
 
2022-09-29 3:48:21 PM  
I just can't think of a scenario where it's not appropriate to shoot the misogynist who shows up on my door and tries to take rights away from women.
 
2022-09-29 3:48:25 PM  
Don't fire warning shots. People get convicted for warning shots often.
 
2022-09-29 3:49:35 PM  
I'm not saying that I would have shot her, but the urge would have been too great to ignore.
 
2022-09-29 3:50:25 PM  
In three years I've gone from strictly anti-gun to actively looking for a John Brown gun club to join. Conservatives are going to keep doing this shiat and worse i.e. the Rittenhouse maneuver. Put themselves into these situations then act like the victims whilst using the situation as an excuse to do something terrible.
 
2022-09-29 3:50:42 PM  
Richard Harvey told the television station that he first fired a warning shot at a tree with his wife's .22-caliber rifle.
He said the woman continued "ranting and raving" and waving a clipboard. "I'm thinking she's going to smack Sharon with it," Richard Harvey said. "So without thinking, I went to club it away with the rifle and my finger was still in the trigger guard. It went off and hit her."


Another responsible gun owner
 
2022-09-29 3:51:07 PM  
Note: these are the same folks pushing  "stand your ground".  Sounds like the f-d around and found out.
 
2022-09-29 3:51:29 PM  
The idea that shooting this woman is at all excusable is a dangerous claim for Americans across the country who engage in peaceful door-to-door canvassing."


And there lies the problem in your argument...she wasn't bein peaceful.   But she'll continue to play the "I'm just an old lady" card and be combative to other people when asked to leave.
 
2022-09-29 3:52:17 PM  
Good, she's probably an anti-vaxxer too and she got shot in the arm anyway.  SMH.
 
2022-09-29 3:52:46 PM  
All the people involved in this story are farking stupid. The idiot "canvassing." The husband who took out a gun to chase off an elderly woman. And the wife who, instead of arguing with the idiot, should have just told her to go fark herself, and then gone inside her own home and closed the door.

The idiot would have just walked away, nobody gets hurt, no news story.

But some people (it appears to be a sizable percentage of Americans) want to make EVERYTHING more difficult.
 
2022-09-29 3:53:06 PM  

RasIanI: She has a right to canvass -- and they have a right to tell her to leave.

When she chose instead to be truculent and refuse to recognize the fact that not everyone is obligated to listen to her bulls***, other bulls*** happened.

But respect for other people is "woke", so...


I'd like to know more about her right to canvass... Communities around me typically require a permit to go door to door, and some HOAs don't allow any sort of soliciting, regardless of permit.  I wonder if she followed all of the rules- unless there is some sort of exemption for political candidates or issues or something I am unaware of.
 
2022-09-29 3:54:32 PM  
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2022-09-29 3:54:46 PM  

buster_v: What? A Christian lie? Oh come on.


I think their handbook says something about it.  I think you're not supposed to do it but it's hard to tell by watching the actions of Christians. Does the article even mention that she is a Christian?
 
2022-09-29 3:55:12 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: All the people involved in this story are farking stupid. The idiot "canvassing." The husband who took out a gun to chase off an elderly woman. And the wife who, instead of arguing with the idiot, should have just told her to go fark herself, and then gone inside her own home and closed the door.

The idiot would have just walked away, nobody gets hurt, no news story.

But some people (it appears to be a sizable percentage of Americans) want to make EVERYTHING more difficult.


Not only did he take out a gun, he fired a warning shot and swung the gun like a club because the woman was swinging a clipboard.

There's a lotta dumb to go around here.
 
2022-09-29 3:55:33 PM  

kev_dog: RasIanI: She has a right to canvass -- and they have a right to tell her to leave.

When she chose instead to be truculent and refuse to recognize the fact that not everyone is obligated to listen to her bulls***, other bulls*** happened.

But respect for other people is "woke", so...

I'd like to know more about her right to canvass... Communities around me typically require a permit to go door to door, and some HOAs don't allow any sort of soliciting, regardless of permit.  I wonder if she followed all of the rules- unless there is some sort of exemption for political candidates or issues or something I am unaware of.


Usually is for political speech.
 
2022-09-29 3:55:35 PM  
"This 84-year old woman is hardly imposing, standing about 5 feet tall. The idea that shooting this woman is at all excusable is a dangerous claim for Americans across the country who engage in peaceful door-to-door canvassing."

Christian wackos are dangerous animals and if one is refusing to get the fark away from you, you have to do what you can to protect yourself. Christians commit the most murders in this country, they simply cannot be trusted.
 
2022-09-29 3:56:24 PM  

replacementcool: I just can't think of a scenario where it's not appropriate to shoot the misogynist who shows up on my door and tries to take rights away from women.


She probably was thinking, "they're a bunch of libby libs, so they don't have guns... oh crap!"
 
2022-09-29 3:56:43 PM  
She probably shouldn't have been shot, but Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground are pretty much a license to shoot people who are on your property uninvited.
 
2022-09-29 3:56:53 PM  
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2022-09-29 3:57:23 PM  
Huh. I'm surprised it was a .22. They can be dangerous (especially if she has osteoporosis).

I'm having some challenge understanding the homeowner's story. He says he accidentally shot her in the back when she was threatening the wife with a clipboard. He says they were standing in the doorway to the house. Presumably that means he and his wife were on the same side as the anti-choicer. So something doesn't add up.

1) If she were a threat and the couple was standing together, then how was she shot in the back?
2) If she were a threat to the wife with the husband behind her, then how could the couple be standing in the door?
3) If she were turned away from the couple, then how was she a threat?
 
2022-09-29 3:57:25 PM  
This is why I have cameras. Fans of forcing children to have rape babies are lying liars who lie.
 
2022-09-29 3:57:59 PM  
See Farkers? This is why you need a gun: to shoot anti-abortion activists that won't leave your property.
 
2022-09-29 3:58:15 PM  

dennysgod: The idea that shooting this woman is at all excusable is a dangerous claim for Americans across the country who engage in peaceful door-to-door canvassing."

And there lies the problem in your argument...she wasn't bein peaceful.   But she'll continue to play the "I'm just an old lady" card and be combative to other people when asked to leave.


this part of the article pissed me off too:

""No one should fear violence while peacefully exercising their constitutionally protected right to free speech," Anna Visser, a spokeswoman for Right to Life of Michigan, said in a release. "This 84-year old woman is hardly imposing, standing about 5 feet tall."

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2022-09-29 3:58:40 PM  
Republicans believe in stand your ground until it applies to them.

Surprise surprise
 
2022-09-29 3:58:55 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: All the people involved in this story are farking stupid. The idiot "canvassing." The husband who took out a gun to chase off an elderly woman.


This guy should be arrested.  He discharged a firearm in a residential area in a way that only endangered everyone involved in this situation and those not involved but around them.  

He fired a "warning shot" at a tree? farking why?  Because he wanted to scare that woman off who was waving a clipboard close to his wife's head. What if he had missed and hit someone's house or a person? 

Here's a more reasonable course of action to an angry old lady waving a clipboard, walk over there and put yourself between the two of them.  Yell at this old woman, put your hands on her if the risk of clipboard assault is really that great.  Then to top it all off he accidentally shots her because he can't control his weapon, again highlighting the risk of missing that tree and the possibility of shooting someone else. 

They're all lucky this idiot was only armed with a .22
 
2022-09-29 3:59:01 PM  

WickerNipple: So, trespasser accidentally shot while husband defends wife.

I'm sure all our gun wavers will be out in droves to speak up for the homeowner.


As a gun waver, it was a bad idea to fire a warning shot first.
 
2022-09-29 3:59:10 PM  

spongeboob: Not everyone we had at least a couple of three Farkers who were upset that people weren't outraged about this and were doubly outraged we dared to say the antiabortion activist might be less than truthful


What did she claim?

This article claims some dude shot her for no farking reason.
 
2022-09-29 3:59:10 PM  
"Well, I have a right to be here,"

Not if it's private property, grandma. If they tell you to leave, you LEAVE.
 
2022-09-29 3:59:52 PM  

meat0918: "No one should fear violence while peacefully exercising their constitutionally protected right to free speech,"

Nothing protected about sticking around on private property after you were asked to leave.


Right now we just have a "she said, they said" story.  We will need further information to corroborate one of the accounts to determine whether the shooter acted lawfully.  For example, were either of them Black?
 
2022-09-29 4:00:00 PM  
"No one should fear violence while peacefully exercising their constitutionally protected right to free speech," Anna Visser, a spokeswoman for Right to Life of Michigan, said in a release.

There it is, right there.  The sense of entitlement that almost certainly caused this.

You don't have a first amendment right to free speech on my property.  If I don't like what you have to say, it's my right to tell you to leave.  If you don't, you're trespassing, and you will go by force.  At the barrel of a gun, if that's what it takes.
 
2022-09-29 4:00:27 PM  

tobcc: Note: these are the same folks pushing  "stand your ground".  Sounds like the f-d around and found out.


I mean, when they argued for stand your ground, they didn't think that someone white would be getting shot.
 
2022-09-29 4:00:39 PM  
Those two stories describing what happened sound a little bit different.
 
2022-09-29 4:00:44 PM  
Yeah, there's more to it, all right. To begin with, you don't fire "warning shots", it's illegal. You also don't swat things with a rifle. Fark this guy, he's a shiatty gun owner, period. And he doesn't meet up with Michigan's Stand Your Ground law, either.

I don't GAF about some antu-abortion asshole, but this guy is exactly the kind of person who should have a gun.
 
2022-09-29 4:01:22 PM  
About what I expected. She was told to leave, she refused and became aggressive, so, criminal trespass? At that point? Either way, Anti-Abortion assholes are always assholes, just assume the worst about them and you'll rarely be wrong.
 
2022-09-29 4:01:30 PM  

Felkami: Huh. I'm surprised it was a .22. They can be dangerous (especially if she has osteoporosis).

I'm having some challenge understanding the homeowner's story. He says he accidentally shot her in the back when she was threatening the wife with a clipboard. He says they were standing in the doorway to the house. Presumably that means he and his wife were on the same side as the anti-choicer. So something doesn't add up.

1) If she were a threat and the couple was standing together, then how was she shot in the back?
2) If she were a threat to the wife with the husband behind her, then how could the couple be standing in the door?
3) If she were turned away from the couple, then how was she a threat?


The way I read it, he came out of the barn when the screaming match escalated. Psycho wouldn't back down, even after he fired a warning shot. Psycho started to attack his wife with a clipboard and he used the.22 like a stick to smack her and her clipboard away, at which point the .22 discharged and hit the psycho in the arm.
 
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