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(The Verge)   Google to shut down Stadia. Will refund all game and DLC purchases, though providing these refunds to all twelve users is not expected to affect their profits this quarter   (theverge.com) divider line
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2022-09-29 1:57:23 PM  
Who could have seen that coming? Aside from Ray Charles, Hellen Keller and Stevie Wonder, that is.
 
2022-09-29 2:17:25 PM  
I'm shocks - SHOCKED - I say!

But they said they wouldn't!

/Phantom
//OnLive
///Stadia
 
2022-09-29 2:39:39 PM  
techincally, stadia worked well, i guess.

But consumery? Fail

All games were full price and there weren't any sales.

Meanwhile you could by the same $60 game on stadia for $10 on any other platform and then stream it on nvidia for free.
 
2022-09-29 2:44:58 PM  
The controller is nice. I got it for free.
 
2022-09-29 2:46:08 PM  
So that frees up resources to work on bringing Reader back, right?
 
2022-09-29 2:50:50 PM  
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2022-09-29 2:54:11 PM  
Another headstone for the Google Graveyard
 
2022-09-29 3:25:44 PM  
I genuinely and truly like Stadia. It was nice to buy once and play on damned near anything with a screen.
 
2022-09-29 3:27:48 PM  
Well, as one of the twelve subscribers, that'll be a pretty nice refund for me. My rig is getting up there in age, but the fiber here is excellent. I have the Stadia subscription, but that really hasn't been worth it most of the time. Until recently, there were only a handful of games that were worth even claiming. Recently, they added some top tier older stuff, like Control, Spiritfarer, and Roguebook. But most of it is meh.

But I did buy Cyberpunk, FIFA 22, and AC:Valhalla on there. That'll be a nice chunk of change.

It's a shame, really. The stream was solid 90+% of the time, even when casting it to a Chromecast and not being wired. The controllers are high quality (my go-to controller for Monster Hunter Rise on my PC). They just....never had decent games.
 
2022-09-29 3:36:16 PM  

HakunaMatata: Another headstone for the Google Graveyard


And that graveyard is the exact reason it never got off the ground.

Google has the Netflix problem of killing things off and now people don't want to get invested in anything new they put out
 
2022-09-29 3:39:17 PM  
 
2022-09-29 4:04:22 PM  
Some people might call Stadia a complete waste, but they did give a bunch of money to Larian to make BG3. Also, now that they don't have to support Stadia any more, maybe there's a chance the full game will release sometime in the next decade.
 
2022-09-29 4:32:36 PM  
Stadia did, however, give me a free copy of AC: Odyssey to keep, for participating in the beta Google Games Stream Project (or somesuch)

So I "own" a copy of that until Ubisoft does something stupid.
 
2022-09-29 4:58:09 PM  
What's really going to bake your noodle later on is: Would they still have cancelled it if, instead of repeating the "they'll just cancel it" meme ad nauseum and then congratulating themselves on creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, people actually gave anything Google did a fair chance and found that some of it is actually pretty solid?
 
2022-09-29 5:06:58 PM  

Coder: What's really going to bake your noodle later on is: Would they still have cancelled it if, instead of repeating the "they'll just cancel it" meme ad nauseum and then congratulating themselves on creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, people actually gave anything Google did a fair chance and found that some of it is actually pretty solid?


I would argue that the lack of confidence in the service was only a part of why it failed, and that at the very least the requirement to fully purchase but never have a local copy of the games also turned people off the service. People seem to like Microsoft's implementation better because it's an accessory service to more traditional local play, as well as only being available for games that are part of the subscription service means that it doesn't feel like you are paying full price for something so ephemeral (this is without getting into the whole quagmire of digital ownership, even when on local hardware)
 
2022-09-29 5:07:05 PM  
Only two months after they assured everyone that they wouldn't be shutting it down.
 
2022-09-29 5:29:58 PM  

Klivian: HakunaMatata: Another headstone for the Google Graveyard

And that graveyard is the exact reason it never got off the ground.

Google has the Netflix problem of killing things off and now people don't want to get invested in anything new they put out


It's a vicious circle. Because of the graveyard, I didn't want to put any effort into Stadia. Which helped to kill it. And with Stadia being dead, it reaffirms any future decision to NOT get involved with Google.

They have a huge credibility problem. The question is are they aware of it?
 
2022-09-29 5:31:27 PM  

BullBearMS: Only two months after they assured everyone that they wouldn't be shutting it down.


Hell they just started rolling out a new desktop UI yesterday.
 
2022-09-29 5:52:19 PM  
Interesting!

I'm going to go post this on my Google+ page!
 
2022-09-29 5:58:26 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Who could have seen that coming? Aside from Ray Charles, Hellen Keller and Stevie Wonder, that is.


Not sure how an aviatrix would fit in with the other two. Pilots tend to have phenomenal eyesight.
 
2022-09-29 5:59:29 PM  

Tax Boy: Stadia did, however, give me a free copy of AC: Odyssey to keep, for participating in the beta Google Games Stream Project (or somesuch)

So I "own" a copy of that until Ubisoft does something stupid.


So, any minute now...
 
2022-09-29 6:17:49 PM  
 
2022-09-29 6:19:28 PM  
bad ideal to try to sell this to people that didn't have the right connection to get good play-ability out of it. If your WiFi speed isn't around 70/70 with under a 15ms ping, then you're farked. Things might change in the next 10 years, but most Americans don't even have those specs.
 
2022-09-29 6:28:56 PM  
They sent me a free controller and gave me a free three month trial.  In three months I could never get any game to launch.  I can stream Xbox and Playstation cloud games just fine.  Maybe if their service worked people would have actually used it.
 
2022-09-29 6:40:47 PM  

Coder: What's really going to bake your noodle later on is: Would they still have cancelled it if, instead of repeating the "they'll just cancel it" meme ad nauseum and then congratulating themselves on creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, people actually gave anything Google did a fair chance and found that some of it is actually pretty solid?


I have, it was, it was still cancelled.*


*Apply to google product of your choice.
 
2022-09-29 7:42:04 PM  

buntz: Interesting!

I'm going to go post this on my Google+ page!


Cool hit me up on Duo when you're done.
 
2022-09-29 7:50:26 PM  

Big Merl: They sent me a free controller and gave me a free three month trial.  In three months I could never get any game to launch.  I can stream Xbox and Playstation cloud games just fine.  Maybe if their service worked people would have actually used it.


I got the whole shebang for free. The dongle, the controller, and yeah I think 3 months. Not even sure if it's come out of the box.

Wonder if the controller can be paired to my nVidia Shield.
 
2022-09-29 7:54:55 PM  
I feel like advertising from the get-go that they'd refund in case of failure would have assuaged more customers to actually try it.  Granted, you'd have to trust a company to keep their word, and they're more chronic liars than a 4 year old.
 
2022-09-29 8:20:00 PM  

Tax Boy: techincally, stadia worked well, i guess.

But consumery? Fail

All games were full price and there weren't any sales.

Meanwhile you could by the same $60 game on stadia for $10 on any other platform and then stream it on nvidia for free.


They had sales all the time.

They even had short super sales. I picked up Assassin's Creed Valhalla for $10 on a 24 hour sale.
 
2022-09-29 8:26:32 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: bad ideal to try to sell this to people that didn't have the right connection to get good play-ability out of it. If your WiFi speed isn't around 70/70 with under a 15ms ping, then you're farked. Things might change in the next 10 years, but most Americans don't even have those specs.


I tried it on a Tim Horton's wifi, had minimal issues. Just had to make sure I was in a spot where I could get on the 5 GHz band.
 
2022-09-29 8:58:15 PM  
Google would be smart to next axe anyone who was in charge of the marketing and messaging of Stadia. Almost all of the comments I've seen show that very few people had any idea how Stadia worked or performed.

When it comes to cloud gaming, Stadia had one of the best setups. On a half decent connection there was no lag, and on a suboptimal one it was still relatively playable. They loaded up just as quickly as a streaming video too. You could buy games a la carte, or you could subscribe to Stadia Pro and claim dozens of games upfront, with new games added monthly. Think Game Pass, but not having to worry about games being removed when you are half way through them.

Unfortunately beyond that foundation, the cracks were very apparent. To start, to gain access to the store you had to agree to a trial subscription. You could cancel the trial immediately and retain access, but this was a barrier in what was supposed to be barrier free gaming. If the average Joe with the most advanced computing hardware he had was a budget laptop and he could just buy Doom Eternal and start playing in seconds without a second thought, it could have really opened up AAA gaming to millions more people.

And of course many overestimate just how fast a connection you need. I have midtier internet, d90/u10 Mbps and cloud gaming works fine for me. If you are on a farm and your internet connection is satellite based, yeah it won't work. But if you are within 50 miles of a metro area your connection will probably cut it.

Finally Google's push here was abysmal. Why not partner with ISPs and cmobole carriers to offer Stadia trials? Why not have kiosks in stores so people could try it first hand? WHY HIDE THE STORE BEHIND AGREEING TO A SUBSCRIPTION TRIAL?! Hell, they could offer a free Steam key with purchase of games to help ease the transition from digital download to cloud.

It will be interesting to see where Google is in 10 years. They are one of the largest companies on Earth, but they coast on their cash cows and don't put the energy into expanding their ventures. This mindset is a recipe for disaster for tech companies because the competition eventually catches up to them...
 
2022-09-29 9:19:26 PM  
Man, that sucks.  I had totally planned on using it some day.
 
2022-09-29 9:21:43 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Who could have seen that coming? Aside from Ray Charles, Hellen Keller and Stevie Wonder, that is.


Helen Keller didn't even have to leave the attic she was hiding in to know that Stadia was doomed from the start.
 
2022-09-29 10:17:12 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Who could have seen that coming? Aside from Ray Charles, Hellen Keller and Stevie Wonder, that is.


Microsoft would have just given everyone the finger instead of issuing refunds.
 
2022-09-29 10:58:26 PM  
Good thing the Google Graveyard's in the cloud, it's starting to get crowded in there.
 
2022-09-29 11:12:52 PM  
Weird, I never got shunted onto this chat app and went straight from Google Talk to Google Chat.
 
2022-09-30 1:20:35 AM  

Electrify: Google would be smart to next axe anyone who was in charge of the marketing and messaging of Stadia. Almost all of the comments I've seen show that very few people had any idea how Stadia worked or performed.

When it comes to cloud gaming, Stadia had one of the best setups. On a half decent connection there was no lag, and on a suboptimal one it was still relatively playable. They loaded up just as quickly as a streaming video too. You could buy games a la carte, or you could subscribe to Stadia Pro and claim dozens of games upfront, with new games added monthly. Think Game Pass, but not having to worry about games being removed when you are half way through them.

Unfortunately beyond that foundation, the cracks were very apparent. To start, to gain access to the store you had to agree to a trial subscription. You could cancel the trial immediately and retain access, but this was a barrier in what was supposed to be barrier free gaming. If the average Joe with the most advanced computing hardware he had was a budget laptop and he could just buy Doom Eternal and start playing in seconds without a second thought, it could have really opened up AAA gaming to millions more people.

And of course many overestimate just how fast a connection you need. I have midtier internet, d90/u10 Mbps and cloud gaming works fine for me. If you are on a farm and your internet connection is satellite based, yeah it won't work. But if you are within 50 miles of a metro area your connection will probably cut it.

Finally Google's push here was abysmal. Why not partner with ISPs and cmobole carriers to offer Stadia trials? Why not have kiosks in stores so people could try it first hand? WHY HIDE THE STORE BEHIND AGREEING TO A SUBSCRIPTION TRIAL?! Hell, they could offer a free Steam key with purchase of games to help ease the transition from digital download to cloud.

It will be interesting to see where Google is in 10 years. They are one of the largest companies on Earth, but they coast on their cash cows and don't put the energy into expanding their ventures. This mindset is a recipe for disaster for tech companies because the competition eventually catches up to them...


They did have a partnership with AT&T customers with fiber, but that only applied to people who wanted to upgrade. At the time I was on AT&T highest fiber tier(1000/1000), so I couldn't get it.
 
2022-09-30 2:01:36 AM  
Hey, is this the part where I do my little, "I farking told you so" dance?

Stadia was supposed to piggyback on the planned nationwide Google Fiber rollout.  But Fiber turned into a bureaucratic red-tape shiatshow because even Google Money And Lawyers couldn't beat established ISPs and Cable Companies who had decades more experience lobbying / paying off govt officials to indefinitely delay permitting that would allow competitors (Fiber) to hang their runs on the poles that those ISPs / Cable Companies already owned the rights to.  So that national rollout of Fiber never happened at the rate big G forecast.

I worked at big G for two years and got to see their nonsense from the inside firsthand.  They live to spin up projects just to kill them off. https://killedbygoogle.com/ exists for a reason.

Treat all Google branded products like you just pulled the pin on a grenade with a random time delay fuse.
 
2022-09-30 6:05:00 AM  
The tech was good.

The business model was not.

Xbox game pass offered way more value for its monthly subscription, and now Sony have a similar offering.

If Stadia had gone the monthly subscription with access to everything route... things might be different.

And the saddest thing is, almost every news piece when the thing was launched told them that.
 
2022-09-30 6:40:45 AM  
Their legacy is one of the most cringe ad I have ever seen. Worse than Ouya.

Google Stadia - Official Launch Trailer
Youtube A6Wy_pWscsk
 
2022-09-30 8:35:18 AM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: Oops

[Fark user image image 850x1339]

https://twitter.com/PaulTassi/status/1575601706724864000


Animalhouseyoufarkedupyoutrustedus.jpg
 
2022-09-30 8:59:56 AM  
I wonder if Amazon will stick with Luna. I tried it; It was OK but nothing amazing yet.

Xbox Cloud Gaming works great, though, and if you're a Game Pass Ultimate subscriber it has a fantastic collection of games playable anywhere, on your phone or other devices. All you need is a controller and a good WiFi connection. I have gotten great quality on a shiatty little $30 Blu View 2 phone (I bought it specifically for game streaming so I don't waste battery on my main phone.)

Nobody believed Stadia would stick around mainly because Google never sticks with anything for long unless it's a raging, rousing success. If it limps even a little bit out of the gate, Google WILL kill it. They always kill it. They're worse than Netflix when it comes to canceling shiat.
 
2022-09-30 9:01:58 AM  

NeoCortex42: So that frees up resources to work on bringing Reader back, right?


Google Play Music, please.
 
2022-09-30 9:04:46 AM  

moike: Hey, is this the part where I do my little, "I farking told you so" dance?


Probably not because the entire planet saw this coming.
 
2022-09-30 10:19:04 AM  

Cyrene Valantion: The tech was good.

The business model was not.

Xbox game pass offered way more value for its monthly subscription, and now Sony have a similar offering.

If Stadia had gone the monthly subscription with access to everything route... things might be different.

And the saddest thing is, almost every news piece when the thing was launched told them that.


They kind of did though. It was like a combination of Games With Gold and Game Pass.

While it did not include EVERYTHING, if you subscribed or started a trial there were at least a dozen games you could claim to your account. Each month a couple games would be added that you could claim, and maybe a few would leave. However those that left you would still have access to if you claimed them. Only new subscribers would not have access to them and would need to buy them outright if they wanted to play them.

The worst part of their business model was that the store where you could buy or try games was behind starting a trial. This made far too many people think that it was a subscription only service, or that you had to subscribe AND buy the games.

Unless this is part of a greater scheme (tax write off, demonstration of cloud tech, etc), Google needs to see some heads roll for this. Perhaps Stadia would have died regardless, but even those without a lick of business education and experience could have done a better job promoting this.
 
2022-09-30 2:07:02 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Electrify: Google would be smart to next axe anyone who was in charge of the marketing and messaging of Stadia. Almost all of the comments I've seen show that very few people had any idea how Stadia worked or performed.

When it comes to cloud gaming, Stadia had one of the best setups. On a half decent connection there was no lag, and on a suboptimal one it was still relatively playable. They loaded up just as quickly as a streaming video too. You could buy games a la carte, or you could subscribe to Stadia Pro and claim dozens of games upfront, with new games added monthly. Think Game Pass, but not having to worry about games being removed when you are half way through them.

Unfortunately beyond that foundation, the cracks were very apparent. To start, to gain access to the store you had to agree to a trial subscription. You could cancel the trial immediately and retain access, but this was a barrier in what was supposed to be barrier free gaming. If the average Joe with the most advanced computing hardware he had was a budget laptop and he could just buy Doom Eternal and start playing in seconds without a second thought, it could have really opened up AAA gaming to millions more people.

And of course many overestimate just how fast a connection you need. I have midtier internet, d90/u10 Mbps and cloud gaming works fine for me. If you are on a farm and your internet connection is satellite based, yeah it won't work. But if you are within 50 miles of a metro area your connection will probably cut it.

Finally Google's push here was abysmal. Why not partner with ISPs and cmobole carriers to offer Stadia trials? Why not have kiosks in stores so people could try it first hand? WHY HIDE THE STORE BEHIND AGREEING TO A SUBSCRIPTION TRIAL?! Hell, they could offer a free Steam key with purchase of games to help ease the transition from digital download to cloud.

It will be interesting to see where Google is in 10 years. They are one of the largest companies on Earth, but they coast on their cash cows and don't put the energy into expanding their ventures. This mindset is a recipe for disaster for tech companies because the competition eventually catches up to them...

They did have a partnership with AT&T customers with fiber, but that only applied to people who wanted to upgrade. At the time I was on AT&T highest fiber tier(1000/1000), so I couldn't get it.


Wasn't really aware of that (I'm in Canada). Still plenty of other avenues to get people on to their platform. They could have bundled a trial or store credit with the purchase of phones, TVs, Chromebooks, etc. They could have also had a bundle with YouTube Premium, Google Play Pass, Google One, etc where you could get a significant discount by adding it. And even though I think Google's subscription model is not as bad as some others, they could have seen the writing on the wall and had a rotating catalog of titles with no need to "claim" anything.

I'm not saddened or heartbroken that Stadia is gone. I haven't used it in several months, and will probably get about $20 or so back from the refund. I'm more angry that a corporation as powerful as Google could do such an abysmal job marketing it.
 
2022-09-30 4:20:25 PM  

LucklessWonder: moike: Hey, is this the part where I do my little, "I farking told you so" dance?

Probably not because the entire planet saw this coming.


The amount of shiat I was given from frothy-mouthed Google fanboys in the Stadia announcement thread that was on FARK at the time would say otherwise.

They got quite crankypants at me when I stated it would never successfully launch and Google would just kill it off.

Enthusiasts ruin everything.
 
2022-09-30 6:53:00 PM  

Electrify: I'm more angry that a corporation as powerful as Google could do such an abysmal job marketing it


Honestly that's the least surprising part. Look at what happened with Google+. It's like every move was made to make everybody hate Google+ all the more

Like every big company, they have completely lost the ability to innovate
 
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