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2022-09-29 8:59:53 AM  
We haven't had a Marvel FF movie yet?
 
2022-09-29 9:30:28 AM  
Oh, fuck right off with your bullshit, Slate. We haven't even had an FF movie in the MCU yet.

Besides, Ragnarok showed just how well they can make a movie with Kirby designs and color schemes - and it made a billion dollars.

So once more: Fuck off. And when you get there, fuck off from there, too. Then fuck off some more. Keep fucking off until you get back here, then fuck off again.
 
2022-09-29 9:35:08 AM  
Sue must be neckid to be invisible, imho.
Otherwise it would be her uniform running around visible with her in it.
 
2022-09-29 10:49:25 AM  
It's because they have to create a team of villains with the same powers that got them at about the same time for the FF to defeat?

/The MCU origin moves might be a bit formulaic, I'm saying.
 
2022-09-29 10:56:32 AM  

Bootleg: It's because they have to create a team of villains with the same powers that got them at about the same time for the FF to defeat?

/The MCU origin moves might be a bit formulaic, I'm saying.


so, Rhino, Dr. D and J. Johah Jameson's son
 
2022-09-29 11:28:17 AM  
I don't really care about the FF, but I would really like a good on screen portrayal of Doctor Doom introduced for the wider MCU.  He's too much fun as a villain to be relegated to Reed Richards punching bag.
 
2022-09-29 11:34:37 AM  

houginator: I don't really care about the FF, but I would really like a good on screen portrayal of Doctor Doom introduced for the wider MCU.  He's too much fun as a villain to be relegated to Reed Richards punching bag.


You're not gonna get it. The sooner you make peace with this now, the less it will hurt.
 
2022-09-29 11:44:18 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Oh, fark right off with your bullshiat, Slate. We haven't even had an FF movie in the MCU yet.

Besides, Ragnarok showed just how well they can make a movie with Kirby designs and color schemes - and it made a billion dollars.

So once more: fark off. And when you get there, fark off from there, too. Then fark off some more. Keep farking off until you get back here, then fark off again.


Note to self: don't piss off comic book nerds.
 
2022-09-29 11:46:30 AM  
Article misses the main point which is that superhero everything is farking stupid.
 
2022-09-29 11:51:47 AM  
It will probably be fine, most MCU movies are fine, some are really good, some suck, but most are fine.   It will probably be fine.
 
2022-09-29 11:56:14 AM  
Because the Fantastic Four are f*cking stupid. That's why.
 
2022-09-29 11:57:42 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Farking Clown Shoes: Oh, fark right off with your bullshiat, Slate. We haven't even had an FF movie in the MCU yet.

Besides, Ragnarok showed just how well they can make a movie with Kirby designs and color schemes - and it made a billion dollars.

So once more: fark off. And when you get there, fark off from there, too. Then fark off some more. Keep farking off until you get back here, then fark off again.

Note to self: don't piss off comic book nerds.


Yeah, they might swear at you on the internet. Look out.
 
2022-09-29 11:59:18 AM  
TFA has kind words to say about Fant4stic, in case you needed a reason not to bother with it.

/it also seems to lay the problems with Fant4stic at Marvel's feet, when they had little to nothing to do with that one
 
2022-09-29 11:59:32 AM  
The first Incredibles movie took a lot of steam out of any potential Fantastic Four success. Any FF movie is (and has) been compared to The Incredibles.
Just like Dr.Doom will probably always be compared to Darth Vader.


That said, the Multiverse idea does give the MCU a better chance than before to bring them in effectively. Unless they do another origin story, they would face the same kind of "Where the Hell Have they been all this time?" stuff that the Eternals did (or that Rhodes said to Carol Deavers) Having the Multiverse going allows Marvel to have them show up, fully formed. Just like The X-Men. Unless they use a "they've been hiding" trac with them.
 
2022-09-29 12:01:32 PM  

DecemberNitro: Because the Fantastic Four are f*cking stupid. That's why.


I've long said that the way to do it is as a 50s period piece in Technicolor with everyone overacting a bit. Make a modern George Pal movie, ending with them trapped in another dimension and the credits stinger is them showing up in modern day like Captain America.
 
2022-09-29 12:07:25 PM  

NeoCortex42: I've long said that the way to do it is as a 50s period piece in Technicolor with everyone overacting a bit. Make a modern George Pal movie, ending with them trapped in another dimension and the credits stinger is them showing up in modern day like Captain America.


Yep, that's the way you do it.

Heck, tie it in to the "Quantum Realm" or something if you don't want more timeline/dimension stuff.
 
2022-09-29 12:08:22 PM  
The Fantastic Four are interesting, but they are different from the other Marvel heroes. They work better as pure "adventurers". Like, you could make a really interesting "anthology"-style TV series out of them.

But they don't fit the MCU very well. They're too...cerebral, I guess?

But we *need* Doctor Doom in the MCU. His absence is glaring, to say the least. He is the definitive Marvel villain. He's one the Big Three comic villains, period. Dr. Doom, Lex Luthor, and the Joker.
 
2022-09-29 12:08:36 PM  

DecemberNitro: Because the Fantastic Four are f*cking stupid. That's why.


Yeah, pretty much this. Even if they could make Mr. Fantastic look good (because in Dr Strange 2, he looked farkin' stupid), there's no way you can make The Thing (a) not look ridiculous and (b) convey Ben's character of being a "gruff on the outside and pudding on the inside" any where near as well as the comics do. Plus, Sue is so damned "meh" that who cares? As for Johnny Storm...you'd have to completely rewrite his initial characterization 'cause other wise he comes across like a whiny, self-obsessed, arrogant punk.

So, my suggestion is to leave the F4 alone, and BTW, you (the studio) will learn its lesson about this (i.e. introducing previously unseen MCU characters) when Namor shows up in the next Black Panther film. There's no way Prince No-More can be presented well in a film...not to mention that he was never interesting in the first place.
 
2022-09-29 12:14:11 PM  
Fantastic Four are boring.  That's why.
 
2022-09-29 12:15:19 PM  

NeoCortex42: DecemberNitro: Because the Fantastic Four are f*cking stupid. That's why.

I've long said that the way to do it is as a 50s period piece in Technicolor with everyone overacting a bit. Make a modern George Pal movie, ending with them trapped in another dimension and the credits stinger is them showing up in modern day like Captain America.


You may want to take a look at Full Circle by Alex Ross. It's a graphic novel from Harry Abrams Books, not Marvel directly. I haven't read it, but it seems to fit with your idea.

Personally, I think the movies have failed because they treat Sue as eye candy. She's the mother figure in the FF family, the glue that holds everyone else together. Without that, they're just another bunch of costumed weirdos.
 
2022-09-29 12:16:43 PM  

Bootleg: It's because they have to create a team of villains with the same powers that got them at about the same time for the FF to defeat?

/The MCU origin moves might be a bit formulaic, I'm saying.


That certainly is a superhero movie trope, but not sure that really pans out for the majority of MCU origin movies?

Red Skull for Cap1, Loki/Thor1, The Vulture/Spiderman Homecoming, Yon-Rogg/Captain Marvel, Ronan/GOTG, Dormammu/Doctor Strange, Harrow/Moon Knight, Kingpin/Hawkeye

Of course they absolutely do that sometimes, Iron Monger/Iron Man, Yellow Jacket/Ant-Man, Killmonger/Black Panther, Shang-Chi's Dad, etc.
 
2022-09-29 12:24:58 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Bootleg: It's because they have to create a team of villains with the same powers that got them at about the same time for the FF to defeat?

/The MCU origin moves might be a bit formulaic, I'm saying.

That certainly is a superhero movie trope, but not sure that really pans out for the majority of MCU origin movies?

Red Skull for Cap1, Loki/Thor1, The Vulture/Spiderman Homecoming, Yon-Rogg/Captain Marvel, Ronan/GOTG, Dormammu/Doctor Strange, Harrow/Moon Knight, Kingpin/Hawkeye

Of course they absolutely do that sometimes, Iron Monger/Iron Man, Yellow Jacket/Ant-Man, Killmonger/Black Panther, Shang-Chi's Dad, etc.


Harrow was literally the previous Moon Knight. Dormammu wasn't the villain of the movie, evil sorcerer guy was. The Captain Marvel villain was just the head of her own unit.

I'm not saying it makes them bad villains, but Marvel really likes going to that well of the villain just being a twisted version of the hero.
 
2022-09-29 12:29:01 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Bootleg: It's because they have to create a team of villains with the same powers that got them at about the same time for the FF to defeat?

/The MCU origin moves might be a bit formulaic, I'm saying.

That certainly is a superhero movie trope, but not sure that really pans out for the majority of MCU origin movies?

Red Skull for Cap1, Loki/Thor1, The Vulture/Spiderman Homecoming, Yon-Rogg/Captain Marvel, Ronan/GOTG, Dormammu/Doctor Strange, Harrow/Moon Knight, Kingpin/Hawkeye

Of course they absolutely do that sometimes, Iron Monger/Iron Man, Yellow Jacket/Ant-Man, Killmonger/Black Panther, Shang-Chi's Dad, etc.


I'd argue Red Skull and Cap is an example (Both super-soldiers), and Doctor Strange's enemy was Kaecilius, not Dormammu, and therefore an example (Both sorcerers). Harrow/Moon Knight kinda also counts, considering they're both avatars (And Harrow's the previous Moon Knight), right?
 
2022-09-29 12:41:36 PM  

realmolo: But we *need* Doctor Doom in the MCU. His absence is glaring, to say the least. He is the definitive Marvel villain. He's one the Big Three comic villains, period. Dr. Doom, Lex Luthor, and the Joker.


The big question is whether they'll be able to resist the urge to give his mask a moving jaw. If Doom wears a static mask with no moving parts, that'll work visually for an imposing character. Besides Vader, Star Wars has had multiple characters in masks that all looked perfectly acceptable (Stormtroopers, Clone Troopers, Boba Fett, Mando, Leia in bounty hunter disguise, etc), but if Disney gives into the urge to go full comic book and have Doom's mouth move, it'll be almost impossible not to have it be a laughing stock.

As over-the-top as Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin was, Raimi didn't articulate the mouth on that mask either. It's a dividing line between making the costume look like armor or a goofy sports mascot.
 
2022-09-29 12:42:29 PM  

Bootleg: Lumbar Puncture: Bootleg: It's because they have to create a team of villains with the same powers that got them at about the same time for the FF to defeat?

/The MCU origin moves might be a bit formulaic, I'm saying.

That certainly is a superhero movie trope, but not sure that really pans out for the majority of MCU origin movies?

Red Skull for Cap1, Loki/Thor1, The Vulture/Spiderman Homecoming, Yon-Rogg/Captain Marvel, Ronan/GOTG, Dormammu/Doctor Strange, Harrow/Moon Knight, Kingpin/Hawkeye

Of course they absolutely do that sometimes, Iron Monger/Iron Man, Yellow Jacket/Ant-Man, Killmonger/Black Panther, Shang-Chi's Dad, etc.

I'd argue Red Skull and Cap is an example (Both super-soldiers), and Doctor Strange's enemy was Kaecilius, not Dormammu, and therefore an example (Both sorcerers). Harrow/Moon Knight kinda also counts, considering they're both avatars (And Harrow's the previous Moon Knight), right?


Kaecilius was just a pawn of Dormammu though. Like Laufey, or Taskmaster. Actually you could probably also say one of their tropes is that the main villain turns out to be someone else in the third act. Harrow's avatar abilities certainly are very different than Moon Knights, and they didn't both gain the powers around the same time as you mentioned, Harrow was well before when he was the prior Moon Knight.

Right on Red Skull and cap both being super soldiers though. Never really saw that as one being the bad/good version of the other but you ain't wrong.
 
2022-09-29 12:46:07 PM  

Bootleg: It's because they have to create a team of villains with the same powers that got them at about the same time for the FF to defeat?

/The MCU origin moves might be a bit formulaic, I'm saying.


That would be "U-Force" then.  I wonder what their status in the comics even is at this point.
 
2022-09-29 12:47:24 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Oh, fark right off with your bullshiat, Slate. We haven't even had an FF movie in the MCU yet.

Besides, Ragnarok showed just how well they can make a movie with Kirby designs and color schemes - and it made a billion dollars.

So once more: fark off. And when you get there, fark off from there, too. Then fark off some more. Keep farking off until you get back here, then fark off again.


Yeah, and the Reed Richards that showed up in the multiverse of madness was EPIC! Marvel is probably the only one who could do FF right.
 
2022-09-29 12:55:36 PM  
It's always been a bad property. It was made for cocaine and hookers, and was just good enough for refills on that prescription.
 
2022-09-29 12:58:52 PM  

Ambivalence: Yeah, and the Reed Richards that showed up in the multiverse of madness was EPIC! Marvel is probably the only one who could do FF right.


Epic? He barely qualifies as a cameo. None of the Illuminati members in Strange 2 are given enough screentime to be epic. Even alternate universe Captain Marvel is taken down fast and fairly easily.
 
2022-09-29 1:02:15 PM  
F4 would be best if it just vanished up it's own asshole and was never seen or heard from again.

Sorry. That was mean.

It's a shiat property that only people who have bad taste like.

No. Still not right.

Oh. I got it. F4 is so farking bad, that I thought it was a DC property.
 
2022-09-29 1:24:36 PM  
There are a lot of reasons.  Some, like effects burden, have gotten better with time. Also, the audience tolerance of weird/ungrounded material has improved. But now it's got the additional burden of a bad history.

I actually didn't totally hate the Silver Surfer one.  Some elements worked (yeah, I know, a lot didn't).

Doom is actually one of the big problems, and always has been.  They only got Iron Man to work onscreen by still frequently showing his face.  A big metal plate with eyeholes for a character fronting isn't easy to keep an audience engaged with.  It feels cartoonish, or like a horror movie.

Stretching is also ridiculous onscreen.  We all know that.
 
2022-09-29 1:29:30 PM  

realmolo: The Fantastic Four are interesting, but they are different from the other Marvel heroes. They work better as pure "adventurers". Like, you could make a really interesting "anthology"-style TV series out of them.

But they don't fit the MCU very well. They're too...cerebral, I guess?

But we *need* Doctor Doom in the MCU. His absence is glaring, to say the least. He is the definitive Marvel villain. He's one the Big Three comic villains, period. Dr. Doom, Lex Luthor, and the Joker.


Did you mean the Big FOUR?

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2022-09-29 1:48:57 PM  
Slate: Heath Ledger as the Joker...what is WB/Nolan thinking?
 
2022-09-29 1:58:32 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: The first Incredibles movie took a lot of steam out of any potential Fantastic Four success. Any FF movie is (and has) been compared to The Incredibles.
Just like Dr.Doom will probably always be compared to Darth Vader.


I've never understood this argument.  I've read different FF stories, and anywhere from 1 to 10 of the characters are likable.

In that Incredibles movie, the only likable characters are Violet and the angry black man.  That movie was bad, and I don't care how edgy that thought is.
 
2022-09-29 2:07:00 PM  

Kris_Romm: There are a lot of reasons.  Some, like effects burden, have gotten better with time. Also, the audience tolerance of weird/ungrounded material has improved. But now it's got the additional burden of a bad history.

I actually didn't totally hate the Silver Surfer one.  Some elements worked (yeah, I know, a lot didn't).

Doom is actually one of the big problems, and always has been.  They only got Iron Man to work onscreen by still frequently showing his face.  A big metal plate with eyeholes for a character fronting isn't easy to keep an audience engaged with.  It feels cartoonish, or like a horror movie.

Stretching is also ridiculous onscreen.  We all know that.


All of these concerns about Doom wearing a mask: are we going to just pretend like Darth Vader isn't the single most recognizable cinema villain in the world?
 
2022-09-29 2:11:44 PM  
If they're going to get a FF movie right, they've got to get the music right:

1967 Fantastic Four Cartoon Intro
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2022-09-29 2:12:54 PM  
The FF are the least compelling big-name team in marvel comics.  It's tough to make them compelling on film when the characters in the comics just can't compete with their peers.
 
2022-09-29 2:13:18 PM  
FF is a mayo on a white bread sandwich. That's why. There's a reason Flatman from the Great Lakes Avengers (where Mr Immortal from She Hulk came from) is a parody of Mr Fantastic - he's flat like his personality. Stock FF are just boring characters.

FF is solely a vehicle to deliver Doctor Doom to the MCU. They desperately need a good villain and with Magneto farther away, he's it. He'll no doubt fall into the Loki role (anti-villain out for himself) for all this Kang nonsense but it will be a shot in the arm that will get them to the end of Phase 6, probably stealing the show from Kang in the process.
 
2022-09-29 2:25:13 PM  

Joe Stapler: realmolo: The Fantastic Four are interesting, but they are different from the other Marvel heroes. They work better as pure "adventurers". Like, you could make a really interesting "anthology"-style TV series out of them.

But they don't fit the MCU very well. They're too...cerebral, I guess?

But we *need* Doctor Doom in the MCU. His absence is glaring, to say the least. He is the definitive Marvel villain. He's one the Big Three comic villains, period. Dr. Doom, Lex Luthor, and the Joker.

Did you mean the Big FOUR?

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Seriously, I'd consider Magneto the fourth in the Big Four comic book villains.
 
2022-09-29 2:36:59 PM  

Lusiphur: Kris_Romm: There are a lot of reasons.  Some, like effects burden, have gotten better with time. Also, the audience tolerance of weird/ungrounded material has improved. But now it's got the additional burden of a bad history.

I actually didn't totally hate the Silver Surfer one.  Some elements worked (yeah, I know, a lot didn't).

Doom is actually one of the big problems, and always has been.  They only got Iron Man to work onscreen by still frequently showing his face.  A big metal plate with eyeholes for a character fronting isn't easy to keep an audience engaged with.  It feels cartoonish, or like a horror movie.

Stretching is also ridiculous onscreen.  We all know that.

All of these concerns about Doom wearing a mask: are we going to just pretend like Darth Vader isn't the single most recognizable cinema villain in the world?


I've expressed those thoughts, but it's less what I think of masks and more what the Marvel movie-makers think of them. They tend to ditch the full face masks (or do the tight Iron-Man zoom-ins) unless it's a fight scene. And even then during climactic scenes the masks a lot of the times come off. And that goes back to the original Tobey Spider-Man. Look at the last Spider-Man movie, one of the first thing Green Goblin does is toss his mask in the garbage.

You're not wrong though, it's just more of what they think that'll matter.
 
2022-09-29 2:43:47 PM  

TDWCom29: Look at the last Spider-Man movie, one of the first thing Green Goblin does is toss his mask in the garbage.


That's meant to be more of a character thing though.  The mask represents the Goblin personality, and throwing it away is Osborn trying to separate himself from it.  Pretty much the entire rest of his story through the movie is with him trying to overcome the Goblin, only to be subsumed by it in the end until the Spider-Men cure him.
 
2022-09-29 2:50:34 PM  

HeartBurnKid: TDWCom29: Look at the last Spider-Man movie, one of the first thing Green Goblin does is toss his mask in the garbage.

That's meant to be more of a character thing though.  The mask represents the Goblin personality, and throwing it away is Osborn trying to separate himself from it.  Pretty much the entire rest of his story through the movie is with him trying to overcome the Goblin, only to be subsumed by it in the end until the Spider-Men cure him.


I mean, I know, but also it's just an example of them ditching full masks whenever possible
 
2022-09-29 2:58:11 PM  

DecemberNitro: Because the Fantastic Four are f*cking stupid. That's why.


Except Thing. He's awesome
 
2022-09-29 3:24:36 PM  

TDWCom29: Lusiphur: Kris_Romm: There are a lot of reasons.  Some, like effects burden, have gotten better with time. Also, the audience tolerance of weird/ungrounded material has improved. But now it's got the additional burden of a bad history.

I actually didn't totally hate the Silver Surfer one.  Some elements worked (yeah, I know, a lot didn't).

Doom is actually one of the big problems, and always has been.  They only got Iron Man to work onscreen by still frequently showing his face.  A big metal plate with eyeholes for a character fronting isn't easy to keep an audience engaged with.  It feels cartoonish, or like a horror movie.

Stretching is also ridiculous onscreen.  We all know that.

All of these concerns about Doom wearing a mask: are we going to just pretend like Darth Vader isn't the single most recognizable cinema villain in the world?

I've expressed those thoughts, but it's less what I think of masks and more what the Marvel movie-makers think of them. They tend to ditch the full face masks (or do the tight Iron-Man zoom-ins) unless it's a fight scene. And even then during climactic scenes the masks a lot of the times come off. And that goes back to the original Tobey Spider-Man. Look at the last Spider-Man movie, one of the first thing Green Goblin does is toss his mask in the garbage.

You're not wrong though, it's just more of what they think that'll matter.


We're also conveniently forgetting that in the original films Vadar was used very sparingly.  He deliberately wasn't the only onscreen enemy. He had footsoldiers. A boss. A structure where he could only be peppered in for a few minutes of film time.

While Doom also has footsoldiers, he's the narrative center of most stories he's in.  He's legit got be on screen for a quarter of any film he's in.
 
2022-09-29 3:55:17 PM  

WhippingBoi: houginator: I don't really care about the FF, but I would really like a good on screen portrayal of Doctor Doom introduced for the wider MCU.  He's too much fun as a villain to be relegated to Reed Richards punching bag.

You're not gonna get it. The sooner you make peace with this now, the less it will hurt.


How hard is "Mad Scientist Darth Vader if he was also the Emperor?"
 
2022-09-29 4:09:36 PM  
I assume Feige is casting F4 now, might I suggest Henry Cavill for Doctor Doom since apparently he's out of his DC contract. You kind of need a decent sized guy to be Doom  Also I thought I read somewhere that F4 isn't going to be an origin story and they are going to do a Spiderman style of  you all know how they got here type of thing.
 
2022-09-29 4:15:55 PM  
Also, and I've said this in other threads, it'll be interesting to see how they get Mr Fantastic his heat back* considering his introduction to the MCU was being a smart-dummy who was killed in like, 2 seconds by Wanda

I assume a (more than likely) re-casting will help

*To use a pro-wrestling term
 
2022-09-29 4:17:10 PM  
Yeah, great article in which you read a paragraph and think "not quite", then, the next and think "you're wrong"
and then the next "this is where you should stop now".

Marvel/Mouse hasn't made a Fantastic Four movie yet, and the previous Fox output is immaterial.

I'm also confused to all of the whining about the studio reining in directors who wish to be "auteurs"
and putting their own unique stamp on the IP. As if Randian not giving a shiat Superman from Snyder/DC,
or the "Body Horror Dickless Thing" form Trank/Fox were a successful portrayal/deconstruction.

I may feel bad that they reigned in Raimi, but, I am watching a Dr.Strange adaptation, not Army of Darkness 6.
And we still got a lich flying with a cloak stitched out of the angry screaming souls of the damned.

(also too on the topic of reigning people in, is he aware of why Kirby and Ditko quit Stan Lee?)

As much I am a fan I am of their output, they have put out so much that I can comfortably pass
on somethings that I'm not set on fire for. But yeah, go on about fatigue.

(And with Covid, no, the weekly trek to the movie house is dead)

Another bullshiat, "oh noes, comic book fatigue is gonna set in any moment now, any moment now, anymomentnow article.

The MCU has been out for 15 years, nothing lasts forever and things peak and ebb.

/let him jerk off to some depressing European crap with blowjobs and subtitles for christ's sake.

Lastly, I have that Alex Ross book, and, most of it would be obscure to most if not a devoted FF fan.
So I am surprised at how wrong he is.

//If they can make me sympathize with a gun toting trash panda and monosyllabic shrubbery, I'm not worried
about them getting wrong stretchy bad guy adjacent dad, invisible Stockholm syndrome wife, flammable/inflammable bro, and morose rocky guy.
 
2022-09-29 4:19:38 PM  

resident dystopian: (also too on the topic of reigning people in, is he aware of why Kirby and Ditko quit Stan Lee?)


I heard the sex was terrible.
 
2022-09-29 4:19:45 PM  

Lusiphur: Kris_Romm: There are a lot of reasons.  Some, like effects burden, have gotten better with time. Also, the audience tolerance of weird/ungrounded material has improved. But now it's got the additional burden of a bad history.

I actually didn't totally hate the Silver Surfer one.  Some elements worked (yeah, I know, a lot didn't).

Doom is actually one of the big problems, and always has been.  They only got Iron Man to work onscreen by still frequently showing his face.  A big metal plate with eyeholes for a character fronting isn't easy to keep an audience engaged with.  It feels cartoonish, or like a horror movie.

Stretching is also ridiculous onscreen.  We all know that.

All of these concerns about Doom wearing a mask: are we going to just pretend like Darth Vader isn't the single most recognizable cinema villain in the world?


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Doom's mask is so iconic it would be like doing all Vader stuff just with Hayden Christenson all the time. Hollywood is farking OBSESSED with taking people out of their masks at all times. They can't do ten seconds of Spider-Man without saying "how do we rip half the mask off?"
 
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