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(IMDB)   Last week Jen had to deal with a catty bride and the return of Titania. This week she has to pay a visit to Blonsky at his wellness retreat. Will we get a new villain or hero cameo? Find out in "She-Hulk:Attorney at Law." Episode 7, "The Retreat"   (imdb.com) divider line
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2022-09-29 9:34:21 AM  
She is *unbelievably* cute at the start of this ep.
 
2022-09-29 9:37:54 AM  
Who had El Aguila in the pool for the first unambiguous mutant to make an  appearance in the MCU?
 
2022-09-29 9:50:51 AM  
"Abomaste"... brilliant.
 
2022-09-29 11:03:11 AM  
Single female lawyer, having lots of sex....
 
2022-09-29 11:20:08 AM  
I enjoyed this episode. It flowed well.
 
2022-09-29 11:42:12 AM  

likefunbutnot: Who had El Aguila in the pool for the first unambiguous mutant to make an  appearance in the MCU?


I confess, I did not.
 
2022-09-29 12:34:36 PM  

ChromaticKid: "Abomaste"... brilliant.


If they don't release a Tshirt they are missing out.
 
2022-09-29 12:41:07 PM  
Kinda sad that the thing that was obviously going to happen happened. Was kinda hoping they'd planned it as a red herring, but... I guess not.
 
2022-09-29 12:41:48 PM  

Seequinn: I enjoyed this episode. It flowed well.


Same. The way the plot points were put together in the last couple of episodes just subtly pointing to the reveal in the last few minutes of this episode was very nice.

But where were Emil's seven soulmates?
 
2022-09-29 12:44:11 PM  

Bootleg: Kinda sad that the thing that was obviously going to happen happened. Was kinda hoping they'd planned it as a red herring, but... I guess not.


Wyatt Wingfoot is the Irving to Jen's Cathy. Just not hearing the name Wyatt was a good clue it was going to be a plot point with the whole Intelligentsia thing.
 
2022-09-29 12:57:18 PM  

likefunbutnot: Wyatt Wingfoot is the Irving to Jen's Cathy.


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/Not familiar with She-Hulk or Cathy, obviously.
 
2022-09-29 1:22:11 PM  

DoctorWhat: Seequinn: I enjoyed this episode. It flowed well.

Same. The way the plot points were put together in the last couple of episodes just subtly pointing to the reveal in the last few minutes of this episode was very nice.

But where were Emil's seven soulmates?


they showed that in the end credits as a picture of him blowing them off now that he got parole
 
2022-09-29 1:24:05 PM  

baron von doodle: ChromaticKid: "Abomaste"... brilliant.

If they don't release a Tshirt they are missing out.


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2022-09-29 2:29:23 PM  

RaiderFanMikeP: DoctorWhat: Seequinn: I enjoyed this episode. It flowed well.

Same. The way the plot points were put together in the last couple of episodes just subtly pointing to the reveal in the last few minutes of this episode was very nice.

But where were Emil's seven soulmates?

they showed that in the end credits as a picture of him blowing them off now that he got parole


Huh. I missed that one.
 
2022-09-29 2:53:52 PM  

Bootleg: Kinda sad that the thing that was obviously going to happen happened. Was kinda hoping they'd planned it as a red herring, but... I guess not.


Yeah, same.  I was actually hoping for a kidnapping or some violent attack as opposed to the obvious.  That's a good sign that a show has made you care about the main character.
 
2022-09-29 3:11:31 PM  

sniderman: baron von doodle: ChromaticKid: "Abomaste"... brilliant.

If they don't release a Tshirt they are missing out.

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That Thor is wielding a shovel.
 
2022-09-29 3:15:29 PM  
With the addition of 4 new villains it looks as though the Wrecking Crew wasn't a one off. They are going to treat all villains as comedy relief. I wonder if Daredevil will also be a sitcom hero.
 
2022-09-29 3:16:39 PM  

Noah_Tall: With the addition of 4 new villains it looks as though the Wrecking Crew wasn't a one off. They are going to treat all villains as comedy relief. I wonder if Daredevil will also be a sitcom hero.


Well I mean one villain has been very successful in a very sinister and not at all comic relief way...
 
2022-09-29 3:18:27 PM  

Fart And Smunny: sniderman: baron von doodle: ChromaticKid: "Abomaste"... brilliant.

If they don't release a Tshirt they are missing out.

[Fark user image 499x499]

That Thor is wielding a shovel.


Sorry, I mean Thur.
 
2022-09-29 3:58:42 PM  

Noah_Tall: With the addition of 4 new villains it looks as though the Wrecking Crew wasn't a one off. They are going to treat all villains as comedy relief. I wonder if Daredevil will also be a sitcom hero.


Probably not. But if you want the fact that it happened this time to ruin everything for you who's going to stop you?
 
2022-09-29 4:13:28 PM  

Noah_Tall: They are going to treat all villains as comedy relief


Comic Book She-Hulk has a rogue's gallery that includes Dr. Bong (a Howard the Duck villain with clappers for hands and a bell for a head), Thagg the Living Hill, Machismo, Dr. Bob Doom (a dentist who is a distant relation to Victor). It would not be incorrect to say that ALL of Jen's villains are jokes.

Jen's love life is also usually a joke. She has a long history of unfortunate hook-ups as well.

The character defining John Bryne and Dan Slott runs of her solo series are absolutely comedy takes on superhero-ing. If Jen is NOT doing 4th wall asides and having to deal with misogynist super-villains in a She Hulk solo series, someone is probably getting the character wrong.
 
2022-09-29 4:15:35 PM  

likefunbutnot: Who had El Aguila in the pool for the first unambiguous mutant to make an  appearance in the MCU?


"We talked about you using your bioelectricity *in* the group..."

/iLaughed
 
2022-09-29 4:26:04 PM  

likefunbutnot: Who had El Aguila in the pool for the first unambiguous mutant to make an  appearance in the MCU?


Mr Immortal is a mutant too right?
 
2022-09-29 4:34:07 PM  

likefunbutnot: Who had El Aguila in the pool for the first unambiguous mutant to make an  appearance in the MCU?


Nah, that's still Professor X in Multiverse of Madness.
 
2022-09-29 4:36:11 PM  

likefunbutnot: Who had El Aguila in the pool for the first unambiguous mutant to make an  appearance in the MCU?


*puts on pedantic comics nerd glasses*

ACKSHUALLY...

Technically, Xavier in 'Multiverse of Madness' would be the first unambiguous mutant in the MCU. Since the MCU is the sum total of all component realities we see, not just 616.

*takes off pedantic comics nerd glasses*
 
2022-09-29 4:39:31 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: likefunbutnot: Who had El Aguila in the pool for the first unambiguous mutant to make an  appearance in the MCU?

*puts on pedantic comics nerd glasses*

ACKSHUALLY...

Technically, Xavier in 'Multiverse of Madness' would be the first unambiguous mutant in the MCU. Since the MCU is the sum total of all component realities we see, not just 616.

*takes off pedantic comics nerd glasses*


Also Kamala Khan and Mr Immrtal, as noted. Sadly Aguila isn't even the first mutant in this show.

Though I feel like they're all technically ambiguous until I hear the word "mutant."
 
2022-09-29 4:45:41 PM  

Bootleg: /Not familiar with She-Hulk or Cathy, obviously.


The Cathy Comic strip ran for about 30 years. It was about a very competent, career minded, liberated woman who primarily had to deal with the impact of her choices to seek success in her working life rather than the usual focus on family or physical well being, as Boomer-age women were supposed to during the 70s. Cathy had a guy who came in and out of her life named Irving. She dated other people too, but only Irving kept coming back. Irving was an insensitive bonehead who never fully understood that women are people too, but he did at least try to do better, so even though he never quite lived up to what we today would call the bare farking minimum, for the time, he was an overly sensitive milksop. Near the end of the run of Cathy comics, they DID finally get married and I think they had a baby. In real time, Cathy was probably in her late 40s or early 50s by that point, but as a picture of the Boomer experience, marrying and having kids after establishing a good career was probably pretty normal.

She-Hulk likewise sleeps around a lot and tends to not have anyone long term. She's MAYBE the loosest lady in Marvel canon (Jessica Jones is another likely candidate). This is usually a joke, but she says yes to a lot of dudes who definitely don't deserve it. In Marvel canon, her one on-again/off-again guy is Wyatt Wingfoot, who is a non-powered friend of the Fantastic Four. Wyatt is the guy who likes Jem for who she is, green form or no. Wyatt is also the Chief of an Indian tribe and IIRC also an attorney most interested in tribal issues, but his responsibilities to his people combined with Jen's legal and hero career mean it's unlikely they can ever settle down together without compromising one side or the other.

... I swear the Cathry / Irving comparison is apt in that context.
 
2022-09-29 4:52:22 PM  

Fart And Smunny: Also Kamala Khan and Mr Immrtal


Kamala has the technicality of the Nega Bands and the sciencing of a high school kid.
Mr. Immortal MIGHT be? IIRC his origin was quasi-mystical, in that his mother made the psychopomp Deathurge promise never to take him. It's kind of hard to say what the GLA characters are or are not though.

And yeah, I'm not counting 616 Professor X because he's not from the same single universe as the rest of the characters we care about.
 
2022-09-29 5:02:13 PM  

likefunbutnot: Bootleg: /Not familiar with She-Hulk or Cathy, obviously.

The Cathy Comic strip ran for about 30 years. It was about a very competent, career minded, liberated woman who primarily had to deal with the impact of her choices to seek success in her working life rather than the usual focus on family or physical well being, as Boomer-age women were supposed to during the 70s. Cathy had a guy who came in and out of her life named Irving. She dated other people too, but only Irving kept coming back. Irving was an insensitive bonehead who never fully understood that women are people too, but he did at least try to do better, so even though he never quite lived up to what we today would call the bare farking minimum, for the time, he was an overly sensitive milksop. Near the end of the run of Cathy comics, they DID finally get married and I think they had a baby. In real time, Cathy was probably in her late 40s or early 50s by that point, but as a picture of the Boomer experience, marrying and having kids after establishing a good career was probably pretty normal.

She-Hulk likewise sleeps around a lot and tends to not have anyone long term. She's MAYBE the loosest lady in Marvel canon (Jessica Jones is another likely candidate). This is usually a joke, but she says yes to a lot of dudes who definitely don't deserve it. In Marvel canon, her one on-again/off-again guy is Wyatt Wingfoot, who is a non-powered friend of the Fantastic Four. Wyatt is the guy who likes Jem for who she is, green form or no. Wyatt is also the Chief of an Indian tribe and IIRC also an attorney most interested in tribal issues, but his responsibilities to his people combined with Jen's legal and hero career mean it's unlikely they can ever settle down together without compromising one side or the other.

... I swear the Cathry / Irving comparison is apt in that context.


Dude, a helpful, informative, non-snarky post? You know you're on Fark, right?

/Seriously, though, thanks for filling me in.
 
2022-09-29 5:04:28 PM  

Fart And Smunny: Sadly Aguila isn't even the first mutant in this show.


Not  sadly. I don't know why I said sadly.
 
2022-09-29 5:05:32 PM  

likefunbutnot: Kamala has the technicality of the Nega Bands and the sciencing of a high school kid.


The last episode very directly indicated that she is a mutant.

They even played a little X-Men riff.
 
2022-09-29 5:09:27 PM  

likefunbutnot: Bootleg: /Not familiar with She-Hulk or Cathy, obviously.

The Cathy Comic strip ran for about 30 years. It was about a very competent, career minded, liberated woman who primarily had to deal with the impact of her choices to seek success in her working life rather than the usual focus on family or physical well being, as Boomer-age women were supposed to during the 70s. Cathy had a guy who came in and out of her life named Irving. She dated other people too, but only Irving kept coming back. Irving was an insensitive bonehead who never fully understood that women are people too, but he did at least try to do better, so even though he never quite lived up to what we today would call the bare farking minimum, for the time, he was an overly sensitive milksop. Near the end of the run of Cathy comics, they DID finally get married and I think they had a baby. In real time, Cathy was probably in her late 40s or early 50s by that point, but as a picture of the Boomer experience, marrying and having kids after establishing a good career was probably pretty normal.

She-Hulk likewise sleeps around a lot and tends to not have anyone long term. She's MAYBE the loosest lady in Marvel canon (Jessica Jones is another likely candidate). This is usually a joke, but she says yes to a lot of dudes who definitely don't deserve it. In Marvel canon, her one on-again/off-again guy is Wyatt Wingfoot, who is a non-powered friend of the Fantastic Four. Wyatt is the guy who likes Jem for who she is, green form or no. Wyatt is also the Chief of an Indian tribe and IIRC also an attorney most interested in tribal issues, but his responsibilities to his people combined with Jen's legal and hero career mean it's unlikely they can ever settle down together without compromising one side or the other.

... I swear the Cathry / Irving comparison is apt in that context.


Ack!
 
2022-09-29 5:16:34 PM  

Fart And Smunny: The last episode very directly indicated that she is a mutant.

They even played a little X-Men riff.


I really need to finish Ms. Marvel. I binged Moon Knight recently and it was farking phenomenal.
 
2022-09-29 5:17:32 PM  

likefunbutnot: Bootleg: /Not familiar with She-Hulk or Cathy, obviously.

The Cathy Comic strip ran for about 30 years. It was about a very competent, career minded, liberated woman who primarily had to deal with the impact of her choices to seek success in her working life rather than the usual focus on family or physical well being, as Boomer-age women were supposed to during the 70s. Cathy had a guy who came in and out of her life named Irving. She dated other people too, but only Irving kept coming back. Irving was an insensitive bonehead who never fully understood that women are people too, but he did at least try to do better, so even though he never quite lived up to what we today would call the bare farking minimum, for the time, he was an overly sensitive milksop. Near the end of the run of Cathy comics, they DID finally get married and I think they had a baby. In real time, Cathy was probably in her late 40s or early 50s by that point, but as a picture of the Boomer experience, marrying and having kids after establishing a good career was probably pretty normal.

She-Hulk likewise sleeps around a lot and tends to not have anyone long term. She's MAYBE the loosest lady in Marvel canon (Jessica Jones is another likely candidate). This is usually a joke, but she says yes to a lot of dudes who definitely don't deserve it. In Marvel canon, her one on-again/off-again guy is Wyatt Wingfoot, who is a non-powered friend of the Fantastic Four. Wyatt is the guy who likes Jem for who she is, green form or no. Wyatt is also the Chief of an Indian tribe and IIRC also an attorney most interested in tribal issues, but his responsibilities to his people combined with Jen's legal and hero career mean it's unlikely they can ever settle down together without compromising one side or the other.

... I swear the Cathry / Irving comparison is apt in that context.


The great summary of Cathy that I never thought I'd see on this site.

Nor wondered about, honestly.

With Jen, though, my understanding is it wasn't so much as saying yes, which implies the more passive role, but rather in taking those first steps herself, which was (and honestly, still is) viewed as the man's role.  Gave her more agency over herself.

Also, the one typo of her name that my brain fixates on had me mentally placing Jem from Jem and the Holograms in her place instead, which is just weird.
 
2022-09-29 5:19:31 PM  

Fart And Smunny: The last episode very directly indicated that she is a mutant.


I heard that as well. I just don't know that seven notes are enough to call "Very Direct" indication or the wider hint that mutants are now possible in the MCU and not something that could be walked back or just never again addressed about a character who definitely isn't an mutant in Marvel comics. Hence, ambiguous.
 
2022-09-29 5:59:21 PM  

likefunbutnot: Fart And Smunny: The last episode very directly indicated that she is a mutant.

I heard that as well. I just don't know that seven notes are enough to call "Very Direct" indication or the wider hint that mutants are now possible in the MCU and not something that could be walked back or just never again addressed about a character who definitely isn't an mutant in Marvel comics. Hence, ambiguous.


Which was sort of my point.

Also, I was trying not to spoil for anyone who still hadn't seen or heard about Kamala.

Although I suppose I did spill the beans about Xavier in MoM.

...I just can't fandom right.
 
2022-09-29 6:10:58 PM  

likefunbutnot: Fart And Smunny: The last episode very directly indicated that she is a mutant.

I heard that as well. I just don't know that seven notes are enough to call "Very Direct" indication or the wider hint that mutants are now possible in the MCU and not something that could be walked back or just never again addressed about a character who definitely isn't an mutant in Marvel comics. Hence, ambiguous.


I feel like those seven notes directly after the word "mutation" are a bit more significant, but I totally admit freely that it could be a red herring.

And tbh it is. I would rather Kamala Khan be nearly anything BUT a mutant.
 
2022-09-29 6:11:32 PM  
tbh I hope it is. Darnit.
 
2022-09-29 7:49:46 PM  

Bootleg: Kinda sad that the thing that was obviously going to happen happened. Was kinda hoping they'd planned it as a red herring, but... I guess not.


I am not happy, both because it's kind of a cliche thing to happen, but because I have become invested enough in Jen to not be okay with doing that to her.
 
2022-09-29 8:18:51 PM  

FriarReb98: Bootleg: Kinda sad that the thing that was obviously going to happen happened. Was kinda hoping they'd planned it as a red herring, but... I guess not.

I am not happy, both because it's kind of a cliche thing to happen, but because I have become invested enough in Jen to not be okay with doing that to her.


I agree, but it just makes me like the show that much more that even as a comedy I am actually invested in the characters instead of just seeing them as walking punchlines.
 
2022-09-29 10:22:04 PM  

ReverendLoki: That's a good sign that a show has made you care about the main character.


It being so difficult to make a guy want to white night a hot woman who appears to need rescuing.  If that fruit was hanging any lower, it'd be in the dirt.
 
2022-09-30 2:26:30 AM  
There have been good parts in all the episodes, but this is the first episode that has been uniformly good in a while.
 
2022-09-30 6:22:58 AM  
Best 4th wall break yet.
 
2022-09-30 8:28:33 AM  

RaiderFanMikeP: they showed that in the end credits as a picture of him blowing them off now that he got parole


That's not what they showed!

He was in a prison transport bus, and they were waving to him as he was being sent to processing to be released.

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With the exception of the one on the right who is overwrought with emotion over her soulmate being released from prison, the others are all happy and waving. He's not ditching them. He's waving to them from the bus they're not allowed to ride on before they meet him at the processing facility and pick him up.
 
2022-09-30 8:33:38 AM  

likefunbutnot: I heard that as well. I just don't know that seven notes are enough to call "Very Direct" indication or the wider hint that mutants are now possible in the MCU and not something that could be walked back or just never again addressed about a character who definitely isn't an mutant in Marvel comics. Hence, ambiguous.


Well, there was that scene and there was Feige telling Iman that her character was a mutant (she revealed that in an AMA on Reddit after the show aired.)

And the point they all made is that Kamala was supposed to be a mutant in the comics, but Ike Perlmutter didn't want to have any new mutant characters created because that would give FOX the right to use them, so he ordered all new characters to be Inhumans and he started a push for Inhumans as the replacement for mutants in Marvel Comics. She was designed to be a mutant, but was turned into an Inhuman through an act of editorial meddling.

Now she's back to being what they always intended.
 
2022-09-30 8:41:47 AM  

likefunbutnot: Kamala has the technicality of the Nega Bands and the sciencing of a high school kid.


The bangle (not proven to be the Nega Bands yet, by the way) gives her access to the Noor.

Her mutant power is the ability to control and shape the Noor (kind of like how a Green Lantern shapes the power ring energy.)

Lots of mutants have the power to control but not create energy. Pyro, Magneto, and Storm are all examples. They don't create fire, magnetism, or weather, respectively. They just manipulate it. That's Kamala, but her specific power is to manipulate the energy from the Noor dimension. Without the bangle, she can't tap into the dimension to get the energy. Without her power, the bangle would either not work at all or would open a gate and just dump energy everywhere without shape or specific functions.

She is a mutant, though.
 
2022-09-30 10:39:00 AM  

WilderKWight: likefunbutnot: I heard that as well. I just don't know that seven notes are enough to call "Very Direct" indication or the wider hint that mutants are now possible in the MCU and not something that could be walked back or just never again addressed about a character who definitely isn't an mutant in Marvel comics. Hence, ambiguous.

Well, there was that scene and there was Feige telling Iman that her character was a mutant (she revealed that in an AMA on Reddit after the show aired.)

And the point they all made is that Kamala was supposed to be a mutant in the comics, but Ike Perlmutter didn't want to have any new mutant characters created because that would give FOX the right to use them, so he ordered all new characters to be Inhumans and he started a push for Inhumans as the replacement for mutants in Marvel Comics. She was designed to be a mutant, but was turned into an Inhuman through an act of editorial meddling.

Now she's back to being what they always intended.


Yeah. My gut feeling with all of this is that the aims are dual:
1. Stop referencing the inhumans, as they're a rather embarrassing ex-chapter in MCU history.
2. Bring Kamala's story back to something like they would have originally written without Perlmutter's influence.

Which is fine by me - As I've said upthread, I am not fully settled with making her a mutant, but this is a different version of her story than we got in the comics, so I'm just enjoying the ride.
 
2022-09-30 9:21:39 PM  

likefunbutnot: Bootleg: /Not familiar with She-Hulk or Cathy, obviously.

The Cathy Comic strip ran for about 30 years. It was about a very competent, career minded, liberated woman who primarily had to deal with the impact of her choices to seek success in her working life rather than the usual focus on family or physical well being, as Boomer-age women were supposed to during the 70s. Cathy had a guy who came in and out of her life named Irving. She dated other people too, but only Irving kept coming back. Irving was an insensitive bonehead who never fully understood that women are people too, but he did at least try to do better, so even though he never quite lived up to what we today would call the bare farking minimum, for the time, he was an overly sensitive milksop. Near the end of the run of Cathy comics, they DID finally get married and I think they had a baby. In real time, Cathy was probably in her late 40s or early 50s by that point, but as a picture of the Boomer experience, marrying and having kids after establishing a good career was probably pretty normal.

She-Hulk likewise sleeps around a lot and tends to not have anyone long term. She's MAYBE the loosest lady in Marvel canon (Jessica Jones is another likely candidate). This is usually a joke, but she says yes to a lot of dudes who definitely don't deserve it. In Marvel canon, her one on-again/off-again guy is Wyatt Wingfoot, who is a non-powered friend of the Fantastic Four. Wyatt is the guy who likes Jem for who she is, green form or no. Wyatt is also the Chief of an Indian tribe and IIRC also an attorney most interested in tribal issues, but his responsibilities to his people combined with Jen's legal and hero career mean it's unlikely they can ever settle down together without compromising one side or the other.

... I swear the Cathry / Irving comparison is apt in that context.


Husband and I had one Cathy comic strip on our fridge for over 30 years (yes, it survived many fridges). We put it up in 1989 because it depicted our living situation: twenty-somethings trying to make ends meet, balancing career and a relationship after a huge recession. Cathy and Irving are arguing over whether or not they paid a utility bill and the last panel is Cathy in her car, sweating, saying she's got 20 minutes to get a deposit into the bank before the check they used to pay said utility bounces. Our situation obviously improved since then but we liked the reminder of what it took to get by in the beginning.

(Yeah, not a direct correlation to She-Hulk or to anyone's point but to demonstrate somewhat that ilikefunbutnot's Cathy description and analogy are spot-on.
 
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