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2022-09-29 12:49:58 PM  
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2022-09-29 12:56:30 PM  
Shiat, it's not just high tech leaving or being bought by foreign owners, any company worth a damn that had any export business to the EU that can get out of the UK is probably thinking about it. With England cutting themselves off from the common market and no trade deal in place it's impossible to sell to the EU. There's been at least 5 or so articles here on fark about it. If I remember correctly, one brewery, and a sizable one, lost over £500,000 of business just because of the export/import processes that buyers need to go through make it not worth the time and money to buy their beer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/04/it-was-a-brexit-export-champion-now-kent-brewery-has-one-eu-customer-left
 
2022-09-29 1:09:15 PM  
Not that I think international competition is a bad thing in this space... But Brexit is really the only reason Britain doesn't have a plan for anything anymore.
 
2022-09-29 3:25:02 PM  
Sad, really. This is the country that brought us the Spitfire and Harrier Jet. Britain used to make awesome things.
 
2022-09-29 5:02:00 PM  

Frothy Panties: Sad, really. This is the country that brought us the Spitfire and Harrier Jet. Britain used to make awesome things.


...with weirdly non-standard threads.
 
2022-09-29 7:07:39 PM  
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Really thought that happened with the advent of Lucas Electronics.
 
2022-09-29 8:37:56 PM  

soopey: Shiat, it's not just high tech leaving or being bought by foreign owners, any company worth a damn that had any export business to the EU that can get out of the UK is probably thinking about it. With England cutting themselves off from the common market and no trade deal in place it's impossible to sell to the EU. There's been at least 5 or so articles here on fark about it. If I remember correctly, one brewery, and a sizable one, lost over £500,000 of business just because of the export/import processes that buyers need to go through make it not worth the time and money to buy their beer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/04/it-was-a-brexit-export-champion-now-kent-brewery-has-one-eu-customer-left


Not untrue, but there's a fair bit of exaggeration in there.

There are companies thinking of relocating to the EU, but more common are companies that have transferred some of their business to the EU on government advice. Yes, the UK government is advising companies to reduce their presence in the UK.

Although we do have a very poor deal with the EU that is impacting exporters' ability to export, it's not "no deal".
 
2022-09-29 9:33:56 PM  

soopey: Shiat, it's not just high tech leaving or being bought by foreign owners, any company worth a damn that had any export business to the EU that can get out of the UK is probably thinking about it. With England cutting themselves off from the common market and no trade deal in place it's impossible to sell to the EU. There's been at least 5 or so articles here on fark about it. If I remember correctly, one brewery, and a sizable one, lost over £500,000 of business just because of the export/import processes that buyers need to go through make it not worth the time and money to buy their beer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/04/it-was-a-brexit-export-champion-now-kent-brewery-has-one-eu-customer-left


The UK does have a free trade deal with the EU, and the paperwork is the same for any country exporting to any other country. US companies trade with Canada and vice versa using the same customs and shipping paperwork for example. The CEO of Nissan said the paperwork was "peanuts" for decent sized companies. (Nissan remember closed their factory in Spain a couple of years ago and moved production to the UK, and Stelantis moved Citroen and Peugeot van production to the UK and so on.) If a small trader can't manage it then they can't export to any other countries either.

But I agree with TFA, the UK has been terrible at protecting our industry, manufacturers and tech. Allowing ARM to be bought by Softbank was one. Even the great deal Boris Johnson did rescuing OneWeb and getting control of a global satellite internet business for a bargain £400 million and now the EU, China etc are discussing spending tens of billions for rival systems, is now being allowed to be bought by a French company (though the UK will keep its golden share giving it a veto on decisions).

The problem is the UK plays by the rules while other countries are ruthless in protecting their own industries. The infamous blue passports was a perfect example. The UK was still under EU rules and so followed EU rules opening the contract to anyone, so a French company won, while most EU countries cite "national security" and ban foreign bidders. Most of the UKs electricity suppliers, water companies, even British Airways, British airports like Heathrow, have been sold to foreign companies. We owned a quarter of Airbus but BAe sold that for a few billion a few years ago.
Even British tanks like the Challenger are now majority owned by a German company, Jaguar LandRover is owned by an Indian company when foreign companies are banned from owning Indian companies.

We still have quite a few big players, mobile phone company Vodafone is the second biggest operator in the world for example. BAe is the 4th biggest defence contractor, and the biggest non-American.

But considering the UK built the worlds first programmable electronic computer and, totally separately, the worlds first electronic computer owned by a commercial company and used to run their business, the lack of British computer companies is a failure.
 
2022-09-29 9:40:17 PM  

BarryJV: There are companies thinking of relocating to the EU, but more common are companies that have transferred some of their business to the EU on government advice. Yes, the UK government is advising companies to reduce their presence in the UK.


Don't forget there are also a thousand European financial businesses who are doing the same, opening offices in the UK to serve customers here.
A thousand EU financial firms plan to open UK offices after Brexit - FinTech Futures
The law works both ways. UK companies need an office in the EU to serve EU customers but EU companies need offices in the UK to serve UK customers.
Six years ago Remainers, including many Farkers, were claiming the UK finance and banking industry would be utterly destroyed, all the banks would "move out" as in move entirely to the EU and so on.
In practice London is still thriving. What jobs have moved out have been balanced by jobs that have moved in.
Remainers and Project Fear claims have been proved wrong yet again.
 
2022-09-29 10:38:15 PM  
And Hermann Hauser was one of the guys behind Acorn, the BBC Model B and the company that became ARM who designed the chips in your iPhone and Android phones.

Here's how it all started.
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2022-09-30 1:10:13 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: BarryJV: There are companies thinking of relocating to the EU, but more common are companies that have transferred some of their business to the EU on government advice. Yes, the UK government is advising companies to reduce their presence in the UK.

Don't forget there are also a thousand European financial businesses who are doing the same, opening offices in the UK to serve customers here.
A thousand EU financial firms plan to open UK offices after Brexit - FinTech Futures
The law works both ways. UK companies need an office in the EU to serve EU customers but EU companies need offices in the UK to serve UK customers.
Six years ago Remainers, including many Farkers, were claiming the UK finance and banking industry would be utterly destroyed, all the banks would "move out" as in move entirely to the EU and so on.
In practice London is still thriving. What jobs have moved out have been balanced by jobs that have moved in.
Remainers and Project Fear claims have been proved wrong yet again.


Not sure if serious.gif
 
2022-09-30 6:49:19 AM  

ISO15693: Carter Pewterschmidt: BarryJV: There are companies thinking of relocating to the EU, but more common are companies that have transferred some of their business to the EU on government advice. Yes, the UK government is advising companies to reduce their presence in the UK.

Don't forget there are also a thousand European financial businesses who are doing the same, opening offices in the UK to serve customers here.
A thousand EU financial firms plan to open UK offices after Brexit - FinTech Futures
The law works both ways. UK companies need an office in the EU to serve EU customers but EU companies need offices in the UK to serve UK customers.
Six years ago Remainers, including many Farkers, were claiming the UK finance and banking industry would be utterly destroyed, all the banks would "move out" as in move entirely to the EU and so on.
In practice London is still thriving. What jobs have moved out have been balanced by jobs that have moved in.
Remainers and Project Fear claims have been proved wrong yet again.

Not sure if serious.gif


What specifically do you disagree with?
 
2022-09-30 1:23:53 PM  

Flowery Twats: Frothy Panties: Sad, really. This is the country that brought us the Spitfire and Harrier Jet. Britain used to make awesome things.

...with weirdly non-standard threads.


Whitworth was probably superior with standard rounded roots. Just ahead of their time machining wise.
 
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