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(The Bharat Express News)   Lawyers for TFG: "TFG doesn't have to verify the inventory of the seized properties. Only the government has to. So there. Nyah"   (thebharatexpressnews.com) divider line
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2022-09-29 7:45:26 AM  
translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything
 
2022-09-29 7:53:12 AM  

wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything


Or worse, we don't want to list stuff the FBI hasn't found yet.
 
2022-09-29 7:54:06 AM  
Awful hard to assert any kind of privilege when you won't agree to the inventory of documents.

/ Awful hard to assert that documents were declassified if you won't say which documents were declassified.
 
2022-09-29 7:55:19 AM  
I mean, who among us hasn't stolen top secret government secrets now and again? I have all the REAL documents about Area 51 under my bathroom cabinet.

Turns out, it was housing aliens for a while, but the government evicted them because they were constantly late on their rent.
 
2022-09-29 7:55:39 AM  
Then there is no privilege.
Sorry Donald - but if you wanna assert a privilege then you gotta follow the rules or it doesn't count.
 
2022-09-29 7:56:09 AM  

Flab: wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything

Or worse, we don't want to list stuff the FBI hasn't found yet.


What's that, TFG's lawyers? You want the FBI to glove up, grab an endoscope, and check every last nook and cranny where classified documents could possibly be stashed? That's a peculiar hill to want to die (or just receive twelve consecutive colonoscopies) on, but you do you.
 
2022-09-29 7:57:34 AM  
Government: "Everything goes to the National Archives then. So there. Nyah"
 
2022-09-29 7:57:40 AM  
Another delay tactic. I have a feeling that Judge Dearie will be unamused, but Cannon will probably allow it, and then DOJ goes back to the 11th Circuit with "can someone explain *why* we have a Special Master?"
 
2022-09-29 7:58:12 AM  

Unobtanium: Another delay tactic. I have a feeling that Judge Dearie will be unamused, but Cannon will probably allow it, and then DOJ goes back to the 11th Circuit with "can someone explain *why* we have a Special Master?"


Cannon doesn't have say in the matter
 
2022-09-29 7:58:47 AM  
The last thing Trump wants is any clarification of the situation.
 
2022-09-29 7:58:52 AM  
How is this not covered under state secrets and they just lock everyone up and compel them to testify and then convict and proceed to the penalty phase?
 
2022-09-29 7:59:33 AM  
So, Trump made an impulsive decision at the urging of a non-lawyer (the nazi lady on Fox), he found a judge dumb enough to facilitate this poorly thought out legal strategy, and now it is blowing up in his face?

Surprise surprise surprise.

Turns out, making this outrageous claims in public doesn't actually have any legal weight.  To get these documents back, he has to swear to stuff, like why he should get the document back.  This is something he does not want to do because it can be used in the criminal case against him.

Even if the Judge in the criminal allows him to raise "X" defense, the DOJ can point to the Dearie proceeding where he took an inconsistent legal position.  This whole proceeding is one big legal trap for trump because there are 11k documents, a short time to review it, and requires sworn testimony to categorizing documents.

Trump played himself.
 
2022-09-29 7:59:37 AM  
DOJ: Here, we will bend over backwards to give you opportunities, Mr. Former President, that we would never give a normal suspect, to do all the things necessary to avoid more crimes.
TRUMP: HAHAHAHA LOSERS! I DO WHAT I WANT!
DOJ: Very well. We will return in a week with another offer for you to avoid doing crimes.
 
2022-09-29 7:59:39 AM  

NewportBarGuy: How is this not covered under state secrets and they just lock everyone up and compel them to testify and then convict and proceed to the penalty phase?


You think you can lock people up, compel them to testify against themselves, and then convict them on that basis?
 
2022-09-29 8:00:01 AM  

starsrift: DOJ: Here, we will bend over backwards to give you opportunities, Mr. Former President, that we would never give a normal suspect, to do all the things necessary to avoid more crimes.
TRUMP: HAHAHAHA LOSERS! I DO WHAT I WANT!
DOJ: Very well. We will return in a week with another offer for you to avoid doing crimes.


What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2022-09-29 8:00:54 AM  

Flab: wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything

Or worse, we don't want to list stuff the FBI hasn't found yet.


"And we haven't thought through what it looks like if we try to challenge what the government found when we refused to verify the inventory."
 
2022-09-29 8:02:52 AM  

NewportBarGuy: How is this not covered under state secrets and they just lock everyone up and compel them to testify and then convict and proceed to the penalty phase?


Because the leadership of the Republican party has decided they will expend every last bit of influence they have to protect trump from the consequences of his actions.
We don't lack evidence. We know trump is guilty of multiple crimes. But the GOP refuse to permit him to be prosecuted. That's it. That's the only thing keeping Trump out of jail. Once the GOP break, Trump goes down. Or alternatively, Trump will break the GOP to save himself. Either way, one of those two is gonna take the hit for all of this crap and won't survive.
 
2022-09-29 8:02:54 AM  
Give him what he wants because everything he's wanted so far has blown up in his face.
 
2022-09-29 8:03:11 AM  
Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....
 
2022-09-29 8:04:09 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....


I don't think that's possible at this point.
 
2022-09-29 8:04:14 AM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: Flab: wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything

Or worse, we don't want to list stuff the FBI hasn't found yet.

What's that, TFG's lawyers? You want the FBI to glove up, grab an endoscope, and check every last nook and cranny where classified documents could possibly be stashed? That's a peculiar hill to want to die (or just receive twelve consecutive colonoscopies) on, but you do you.


Well... that's a mental image I didn't need at 8:03am.

Where's the brain bleach?
 
2022-09-29 8:05:34 AM  

Weaver95: We don't lack evidence. We know trump is guilty of multiple crimes. But the GOP refuse to permit him to be prosecuted. That's it. That's the only thing keeping Trump out of jail. Once the GOP break, Trump goes down. Or alternatively, Trump will break the GOP to save himself. Either way, one of those two is gonna take the hit for all of this crap and won't survive.


As long as the MAGAts go down too.
 
2022-09-29 8:06:16 AM  

Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.


It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.
 
2022-09-29 8:07:14 AM  

wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything


or

Ne one here knows what he actually had.

I don't know how anyone can argue he stored those documents appropriately when they didn't even have an inventory or manifest of what they actually had.
 
2022-09-29 8:08:48 AM  

Unobtanium: Another delay tactic. I have a feeling that Judge Dearie will be unamused, but Cannon will probably allow it, and then DOJ goes back to the 11th Circuit with "can someone explain *why* we have a Special Master?"


Not a delay tactic. Verifying the documents could be could become evidence at trial because it confirms that Trump knew he had the documents.

Basically, the Special Master has been a major mistake by the Trump lawyers. The questions they're being asked to answer help the DOJ build its case, and are running up Trump's legal fees.
 
2022-09-29 8:09:03 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.


No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....
 
2022-09-29 8:09:21 AM  

Unobtanium: Another delay tactic. I have a feeling that Judge Dearie will be unamused, but Cannon will probably allow it, and then DOJ goes back to the 11th Circuit with "can someone explain *why* we have a Special Master?"


Cannon got smacked down like she took a giant dump on the living room carpet and started baying at the moon.  I have a feeling she's going to use any adverse ruling by Dearie against Trump as a shield and nope out of it.
 
2022-09-29 8:10:04 AM  

RasIanI: The last thing Trump wants is any clarification of the situation.


This is true of everything Trump does. The more chaos the better, and the less likely anyone is to notice what he's actually up to. This is why he surrounds himself with a circus of hand-flailing idiots like Mike Pillow and Matt Gaetz, they're like a continuous smoke bomb to distract from his own criminality.
 
2022-09-29 8:11:33 AM  

Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.

No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....


Isn't it already a horrible mess?
 
2022-09-29 8:12:55 AM  

Ambivalence: wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything

or

Ne one here knows what he actually had.

I don't know how anyone can argue he stored those documents appropriately when they didn't even have an inventory or manifest of what they actually had.


Exactly. And knowing what he had is key to the DOJ case because under these statutes, ignorance is a defense. Basically, the Special Master is helping the DOJ build its case.
 
2022-09-29 8:14:34 AM  
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2022-09-29 8:14:45 AM  

soopey: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.

No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....

Isn't it already a horrible mess?


Oh this could get SO much worse...
 
2022-09-29 8:15:26 AM  

soopey: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.

No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....

Isn't it already a horrible mess?


It really shouldn't be. I'm stunned that the DOJ has never filed a motion to end the whole kangaroo court on grounds of lacking jurisdiction.
 
2022-09-29 8:15:32 AM  

pueblonative: Unobtanium: Another delay tactic. I have a feeling that Judge Dearie will be unamused, but Cannon will probably allow it, and then DOJ goes back to the 11th Circuit with "can someone explain *why* we have a Special Master?"

Cannon got smacked down like she took a giant dump on the living room carpet and started baying at the moon.  I have a feeling she's going to use any adverse ruling by Dearie against Trump as a shield and nope out of it.


That makes no sense. The 11th circuit has already publicly rebuked her.

She's going to keep her head down and let this play out so maybe her reputation will recover. She knows that the 11th circuit is ready to step in and shred her if she keeps going cowgirl.
 
2022-09-29 8:16:08 AM  
Painted into a legal corner.  And doesn't want to provide proof he is guiltily of crimes
 
2022-09-29 8:17:21 AM  

zeroman987: So, Trump made an impulsive decision at the urging of a non-lawyer (the nazi lady on Fox), he found a judge dumb enough to facilitate this poorly thought out legal strategy, and now it is blowing up in his face?

Surprise surprise surprise.

Turns out, making this outrageous claims in public doesn't actually have any legal weight.  To get these documents back, he has to swear to stuff, like why he should get the document back.  This is something he does not want to do because it can be used in the criminal case against him.

Even if the Judge in the criminal allows him to raise "X" defense, the DOJ can point to the Dearie proceeding where he took an inconsistent legal position.  This whole proceeding is one big legal trap for trump because there are 11k documents, a short time to review it, and requires sworn testimony to categorizing documents.

Trump played himself.


Can you be more specific?
 
2022-09-29 8:17:38 AM  

Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.

No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....


Cannon made a mess on purpose in the first place - that was her one job.
 
2022-09-29 8:17:44 AM  
Has anyone ever used the "I don't wanna" defense in court, ever?

I don't mean successfully, I mean has anyone ever even tried something so mindbogglingly dumb?
 
2022-09-29 8:18:10 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: RasIanI: The last thing Trump wants is any clarification of the situation.

This is true of everything Trump does. The more chaos the better, and the less likely anyone is to notice what he's actually up to. This is why he surrounds himself with a circus of hand-flailing idiots like Mike Pillow and Matt Gaetz, they're like a continuous smoke bomb to distract from his own criminality.


No. Verifying the inventory has serious legal consequences. This isn't typical Trump BS - his lawyers know this will become part of an indictment and used at trial to show that he willfully kept sensitive government property.
 
2022-09-29 8:18:56 AM  

qorkfiend: NewportBarGuy: How is this not covered under state secrets and they just lock everyone up and compel them to testify and then convict and proceed to the penalty phase?

You think you can lock people up, compel them to testify against themselves, and then convict them on that basis?


He was in possession of the nation's most classified military secrets and some are missing.

YES!! YES I DO!
 
2022-09-29 8:19:02 AM  
So is barking-anus pumpkin-spice going to jail or what?
(Yanks spend more time chirpin' than playin' on the ice)
 
2022-09-29 8:19:16 AM  

Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.

No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....


I'm not arguing she'll end the Special Master, only replace him with someone more sympathetic to Trump.
 
2022-09-29 8:19:27 AM  

wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything


" there's more the government hasn't found"
 
2022-09-29 8:20:43 AM  
Again - we don't lack evidence of trump's guilt. The problem is that the conservatives will break laws, lie, cheat and double down on the hypocrisy to protect trump.
They know he's guilty. They know that they're defending espionage. But whatever Trump has on the GOP leadership is absolute and ironclad. They'll keep defending trump until the entire Republican party is destroyed.
That's the bit what nobody wants to discuss.
 
2022-09-29 8:20:51 AM  

AuralArgument: wearsmanyhats: translation: we don't want to admit whether the FBI found everything

" there's more the government hasn't found"


Dig up Ivana
 
2022-09-29 8:20:59 AM  
MattytheMouse:

Come on we all know about your documents Matty, and we know you don't care what we think of them.


( They are fursuit patterns aren't they)
 
2022-09-29 8:21:00 AM  

Weaver95: Once the GOP break, Trump goes down. Or alternatively, Trump will break the GOP to save himself. Either way, one of those two is gonna take the hit for all of this crap and won't survive.


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2022-09-29 8:21:19 AM  

ModernLuddite: Has anyone ever used the "I don't wanna" defense in court, ever?

I don't mean successfully, I mean has anyone ever even tried something so mindbogglingly dumb?


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2022-09-29 8:21:21 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.

No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....

I'm not arguing she'll end the Special Master, only replace him with someone more sympathetic to Trump.


Which isn't possible.
 
2022-09-29 8:22:20 AM  

Klivian: soopey: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Weaver95: Blathering Idjut: Cannon to fire Dearie in 3.. 2... 1....

I don't think that's possible at this point.

It's possible. Even probable. It won't look good for Cannon, but it's not like she cares.

No, I really don't see how cannon can fire Dearie without it becoming an horrible mess....

Isn't it already a horrible mess?

It really shouldn't be. I'm stunned that the DOJ has never filed a motion to end the whole kangaroo court on grounds of lacking jurisdiction.


Litigating that would probably chew up more time than just letting Dearie get on with it.
 
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