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1508 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 28 Sep 2022 at 8:30 PM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-09-28 8:44:04 PM  
Good.
 
2022-09-28 8:46:02 PM  

Blathering Idjut: Good.


Bad.
 
2022-09-28 8:47:32 PM  
I can't say I'm terribly saddened by this.  The overdone comic relief with Scotty, the Star Wars interior ship designs, the ill-conceived updates of classic stories, and basically turning Trek from '60s-based scifi' into 'generic action movie in Star Fleet uniforms' has been disappointing.

I'm enjoying Strange New Worlds, it's updated classic Trek for modern times without losing what makes it 'Trek'.

Let the Kelvin timeline die.  Nothing says you can't try another timeline but keep the same actors - audiences HAVE to be used to the 'multiverse' idea of storytelling by now, so you're not enslaved to continuity.  The next movie could start with Spock opening a time-locked message from an alternate timeline 'Strange New Worlds self' that the timeline has been corrected, and set up a task that has to be completed to keep it that way.
 
2022-09-28 9:00:38 PM  
Quit liking what I don't like.
 
2022-09-28 9:08:15 PM  

DRTFA: Quit liking what I don't like.


Generally I'd agree (assuming you were being sarcastic), but in this case there's a limited amount of money going into producing a limited amount of 'Trek'.  Any time someone produces something with the 'Trek' brand I don't like, the end result is less of the stuff I DO like.  Scripts are hit and miss regardless, but when they change the fundamentals of the brand it may not be destroying my childhood, but it is destroying my ability to continue liking what I used to like.

So I'm going to keep right on not liking the Kelvin stuff.
 
2022-09-28 9:23:11 PM  

Unsung_Hero: DRTFA: Quit liking what I don't like.

Generally I'd agree (assuming you were being sarcastic), but in this case there's a limited amount of money going into producing a limited amount of 'Trek'.  Any time someone produces something with the 'Trek' brand I don't like, the end result is less of the stuff I DO like.  Scripts are hit and miss regardless, but when they change the fundamentals of the brand it may not be destroying my childhood, but it is destroying my ability to continue liking what I used to like.

So I'm going to keep right on not liking the Kelvin stuff.


Films by internet consensus:

Insurrection: bad
Nemesis: dogshiat
Star Trek 2009: pretend to hate it
Into Darkness: cancer
Beyond: worse than aids

T.V.:
Voyager: aids
Enterprise: super aids
Discovery: woke aids
Picard: mega ultra death aids cancer burn it all down
The Orville: coping mechanism
Brave New Worlds: Star Trek was always good, I always liked it, therefore the 2009+ movies are bad, never complained about anything ever.

It is quite amazing how it took one "good" t.v. show for the..."fans" to rally around and reverse group retcon almost 2 decades of filmography and hate on the movies.
 
2022-09-28 11:33:47 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Unsung_Hero: DRTFA: Quit liking what I don't like.

Generally I'd agree (assuming you were being sarcastic), but in this case there's a limited amount of money going into producing a limited amount of 'Trek'.  Any time someone produces something with the 'Trek' brand I don't like, the end result is less of the stuff I DO like.  Scripts are hit and miss regardless, but when they change the fundamentals of the brand it may not be destroying my childhood, but it is destroying my ability to continue liking what I used to like.

So I'm going to keep right on not liking the Kelvin stuff.

Films by internet consensus:

Insurrection: bad
Nemesis: dogshiat
Star Trek 2009: pretend to hate it
Into Darkness: cancer
Beyond: worse than aids

T.V.:
Voyager: aids
Enterprise: super aids
Discovery: woke aids
Picard: mega ultra death aids cancer burn it all down
The Orville: coping mechanism
Brave New Worlds: Star Trek was always good, I always liked it, therefore the 2009+ movies are bad, never complained about anything ever.

It is quite amazing how it took one "good" t.v. show for the..."fans" to rally around and reverse group retcon almost 2 decades of filmography and hate on the movies.


When you look at a random group of people, you're going to get a random bunch of opinions.  But your BNW comment is pure bullshiat.

Every generation of fans tends to like the show they bit they grew up with, and sees that as 'their' Trek.  For people like me, that's TOS, two or three of the original cast movies, and now SNW.
 
2022-09-28 11:53:26 PM  

Unsung_Hero: AppleOptionEsc: Unsung_Hero: DRTFA: Quit liking what I don't like.

Generally I'd agree (assuming you were being sarcastic), but in this case there's a limited amount of money going into producing a limited amount of 'Trek'.  Any time someone produces something with the 'Trek' brand I don't like, the end result is less of the stuff I DO like.  Scripts are hit and miss regardless, but when they change the fundamentals of the brand it may not be destroying my childhood, but it is destroying my ability to continue liking what I used to like.

So I'm going to keep right on not liking the Kelvin stuff.

Films by internet consensus:

Insurrection: bad
Nemesis: dogshiat
Star Trek 2009: pretend to hate it
Into Darkness: cancer
Beyond: worse than aids

T.V.:
Voyager: aids
Enterprise: super aids
Discovery: woke aids
Picard: mega ultra death aids cancer burn it all down
The Orville: coping mechanism
Brave New Worlds: Star Trek was always good, I always liked it, therefore the 2009+ movies are bad, never complained about anything ever.

It is quite amazing how it took one "good" t.v. show for the..."fans" to rally around and reverse group retcon almost 2 decades of filmography and hate on the movies.

When you look at a random group of people, you're going to get a random bunch of opinions.  But your BNW comment is pure bullshiat.

Every generation of fans tends to like the show they bit they grew up with, and sees that as 'their' Trek.  For people like me, that's TOS, two or three of the original cast movies, and now SNW.


Oh, yes, as a millenial, tell me about the throngs of Voyager and Enterprise fans drowing out the DS9 and TNG fans.

Shows/film jave to stand on their own merit. The last 10 years li us this year show just goe much appreciation there is for the kids, at least these days.
 
2022-09-28 11:59:40 PM  

Unsung_Hero: AppleOptionEsc: Unsung_Hero: DRTFA: Quit liking what I don't like.

Generally I'd agree (assuming you were being sarcastic), but in this case there's a limited amount of money going into producing a limited amount of 'Trek'.  Any time someone produces something with the 'Trek' brand I don't like, the end result is less of the stuff I DO like.  Scripts are hit and miss regardless, but when they change the fundamentals of the brand it may not be destroying my childhood, but it is destroying my ability to continue liking what I used to like.

So I'm going to keep right on not liking the Kelvin stuff.

Films by internet consensus:

Insurrection: bad
Nemesis: dogshiat
Star Trek 2009: pretend to hate it
Into Darkness: cancer
Beyond: worse than aids

T.V.:
Voyager: aids
Enterprise: super aids
Discovery: woke aids
Picard: mega ultra death aids cancer burn it all down
The Orville: coping mechanism
Brave New Worlds: Star Trek was always good, I always liked it, therefore the 2009+ movies are bad, never complained about anything ever.

It is quite amazing how it took one "good" t.v. show for the..."fans" to rally around and reverse group retcon almost 2 decades of filmography and hate on the movies.

When you look at a random group of people, you're going to get a random bunch of opinions.  But your BNW comment is pure bullshiat.

Every generation of fans tends to like the show they bit they grew up with, and sees that as 'their' Trek.  For people like me, that's TOS, two or three of the original cast movies, and now SNW.


All of his comment is bullshiat.  Nobody's changing their opinion of old stuff due to new stuff.  It's patently stupid to assert.

"Oh, no; AfterMASH is steaming ass so that means MASH must have fooled us into thinking it was good!"
 
2022-09-29 1:02:04 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Unsung_Hero: DRTFA: Quit liking what I don't like.

Generally I'd agree (assuming you were being sarcastic), but in this case there's a limited amount of money going into producing a limited amount of 'Trek'.  Any time someone produces something with the 'Trek' brand I don't like, the end result is less of the stuff I DO like.  Scripts are hit and miss regardless, but when they change the fundamentals of the brand it may not be destroying my childhood, but it is destroying my ability to continue liking what I used to like.

So I'm going to keep right on not liking the Kelvin stuff.

Films by internet consensus:

Insurrection: bad
Nemesis: dogshiat
Star Trek 2009: pretend to hate it
Into Darkness: cancer
Beyond: worse than aids

T.V.:
Voyager: aids
Enterprise: super aids
Discovery: woke aids
Picard: mega ultra death aids cancer burn it all down
The Orville: coping mechanism
Brave New Worlds: Star Trek was always good, I always liked it, therefore the 2009+ movies are bad, never complained about anything ever.

It is quite amazing how it took one "good" t.v. show for the..."fans" to rally around and reverse group retcon almost 2 decades of filmography and hate on the movies.


Your brain doesn't appear to be firing on all of it's limited neural networks, but that's OK.. you'll learn to love them.
 
2022-09-29 1:35:47 AM  

strutin: AppleOptionEsc: Unsung_Hero: DRTFA: Quit liking what I don't like.

Generally I'd agree (assuming you were being sarcastic), but in this case there's a limited amount of money going into producing a limited amount of 'Trek'.  Any time someone produces something with the 'Trek' brand I don't like, the end result is less of the stuff I DO like.  Scripts are hit and miss regardless, but when they change the fundamentals of the brand it may not be destroying my childhood, but it is destroying my ability to continue liking what I used to like.

So I'm going to keep right on not liking the Kelvin stuff.

Films by internet consensus:

Insurrection: bad
Nemesis: dogshiat
Star Trek 2009: pretend to hate it
Into Darkness: cancer
Beyond: worse than aids

T.V.:
Voyager: aids
Enterprise: super aids
Discovery: woke aids
Picard: mega ultra death aids cancer burn it all down
The Orville: coping mechanism
Brave New Worlds: Star Trek was always good, I always liked it, therefore the 2009+ movies are bad, never complained about anything ever.

It is quite amazing how it took one "good" t.v. show for the..."fans" to rally around and reverse group retcon almost 2 decades of filmography and hate on the movies.

Your brain doesn't appear to be firing on all of it's limited neural networks, but that's OK.. you'll learn to love them.


Love, hate, it is all a matter or perspective.


But the internet group think is all about the last decade. I don't believe any Trek franchise has any love besides Brave New Worlds (and season 3 of Orville).

My view is similar to How I Quit Worrying and learn to Love the Brave New Worlds. Trek is Trek. A story that is engaging is engaging. If you tell a good story it isn't really imperative if it is cannon or a whole new arc. If the story is engaging and produces emotions, it is Trek.

Lower Decks, Picard, Discovery, J.J. Abrams,, etc.

It is all Trek. It happened.
 
2022-09-29 3:59:38 AM  
They should do a live action Lower Decks adaptation crossover with The Orville.
 
2022-09-29 7:39:00 AM  
I just thought I'd mention the name of the newest Trek show is "Strange New Worlds." Brave New World was an Aldous Huxley novel.
 
2022-09-29 9:06:33 PM  

Confabulat: I just thought I'd mention the name of the newest Trek show is "Strange New Worlds." Brave New World was an Aldous Huxley novel.


Brain fart at the time. My bad.
 
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