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(Daily Dot)   We know everyone on Fark agrees with 25% minimum tipping, but how would you feel about surcharges added to your check to pay for staff Healthcare? It's about the employees not protecting the owners profits right?   (dailydot.com) divider line
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2022-09-28 12:51:40 PM  
I would be in favor of this if the price of everything sold in the US disclosed how much of the cost was for the healthcare of the people involved in selling, shipping, making, and designing it. Getting people to realize how much we are being ripped off by the healthcare-insurance complex would be a good thing IMO.
 
2022-09-28 1:05:27 PM  
F*ck you.
Pay your employees a decent wage and provide health care.
If you can't, you can't afford to be open.
 
2022-09-28 1:05:49 PM  
Just raise the prices to cover
 
2022-09-28 1:12:09 PM  
I would probably just go die in another waiting room.
 
2022-09-28 1:14:19 PM  
I'm actually okay with this, in fact I'm okay with a national 3.5 surcharge on every purchase, but only if it is used for Healthcare

In fact let's get a nationalized Healthcare for anyone without Healthcare or anyone who choses to get this publicly available health insurance, we could call it the publicly optionally available health care
 
2022-09-28 1:17:33 PM  
"What if a business raised prices to cover expenses" and other deep thoughts.

/single payer, come tf on
 
2022-09-28 1:33:53 PM  
Stop making me tip for every service, and pay your damn employees.
 
2022-09-28 1:59:40 PM  
Still effectively regressive taxation for something that should be a public utility.
 
2022-09-28 2:19:12 PM  
I don't see the problem with this. This is the owner raising prices to cover an increased cost, in this case employee health care. It's probably easier (though I'm sure the owner is trying to make a point) than changing all the prices in the system
 
2022-09-28 2:23:39 PM  

ArkAngel: I don't see the problem with this. This is the owner raising prices to cover an increased cost, in this case employee health care. It's probably easier (though I'm sure the owner is trying to make a point) than changing all the prices in the system


What other business that you purchase from lists their internal costs for employee benefits on the invoice? The point the owner is making is that they are a farking dickhead. Guess who the customers are going to biatch to and then refuse to tip when they see this shiat on their bill?
 
2022-09-28 2:29:02 PM  
I far prefer the European model where staff are fairly compensated and there is no tipping. I also prefer socialized medicine over the U.S. for profit model.
 
2022-09-28 2:29:24 PM  
I tip in fake $20 bills that are directions to the local church. The only tip you need, is to follow Jesus Christ.

/Heathens!
 
2022-09-28 2:32:15 PM  

ArkAngel: I don't see the problem with this. This is the owner raising prices to cover an increased cost, in this case employee health care. It's probably easier (though I'm sure the owner is trying to make a point) than changing all the prices in the system


Healthcare costs are not related to menu prices. It makes no sense to charge a percentage of the check total to a fixed expense. The business is not spending 3.5% of every check on healthcare costs, they are profiting off this surcharge.
 
2022-09-28 2:33:29 PM  

HugeMistake: Getting people to realize how much we are being ripped off by the healthcare-insurance complex would be a good thing IMO.


Asking your provider for a cash price (self pay) is the quickest way to figure that out.
 
2022-09-28 2:33:30 PM  
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2022-09-28 2:39:21 PM  

Ass_Master_Flash: Just raise the prices to cover


They did, they raised the prices by 3.5%.

Read TFA. ;)
 
2022-09-28 2:41:28 PM  

ArkAngel: I don't see the problem with this. This is the owner raising prices to cover an increased cost, in this case employee health care. It's probably easier (though I'm sure the owner is trying to make a point) than changing all the prices in the system


I guess Americans are math challenged?

Its like, at least it occurred last time I visited USA, where stores would advertise their products without tax, and then charge you the tax at the register.
 
2022-09-28 2:45:15 PM  

Tyrosine: I far prefer the European model where staff are fairly compensated and there is no tipping. I also prefer socialized medicine over the U.S. for profit model.


You can have both actually.

In Denmark, for instance, there's private hospitals alongside the government ones. The private hospitals allows wealthy individuals to get special treatment, be it rooms, boob jobs, or shorter waiting lists. And the government uses them as well, to live up to the set goals of waiting lines for X treatment never being longer than Y.

So the concept of "Death Panels" isn't a thing in the mixed system. Since you can always pay a private hospital, for a treatment the public has deemed useless, or frivolous.
 
2022-09-28 2:45:44 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Ass_Master_Flash: Just raise the prices to cover

They did, they raised the prices by 3.5%.

Read TFA. ;)


And I'm sure if we audit that business we'll see that 3.5% going directly and completely into the employees health care plan and nowhere near the douchebag owner's pocket, right?
 
2022-09-28 2:48:47 PM  

raerae1980: Stop making me tip for every service, and pay your damn employees.


If something is a mandatory surcharge, it should be included in the base price.  If the seller wants to disclose an itemized breakdown of how that base price was calculated, great.  But when I look online and see that your product sells for X, other than tax, that should be the farking price.

Tipping in the United States is a farking cancer.
 
2022-09-28 2:49:21 PM  

Ass_Master_Flash: Just raise the prices to cover


Bingo. Charge what you need to charge to pay your employees decently and still make a profit.

If you can't stay competitive at those prices, then either your food isn't good enough or prices are suppressed by your competitors being assholes to their staff. But if your staff is paid well, excellent service might bring in more repeat business.
 
2022-09-28 2:51:25 PM  

educated: F*ck you.
Pay your employees a decent wage and provide health care.
If you can't, you can't afford to be open.


These businesses should last everyone off and close. That's what workers need and want.
 
2022-09-28 2:51:35 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: HugeMistake: Getting people to realize how much we are being ripped off by the healthcare-insurance complex would be a good thing IMO.

Asking your provider for a cash price (self pay) is the quickest way to figure that out.


Difficulty: You can't learn how much the insurance negotiated rate is until you bill through insurance.

It's a pretty closely guarded secret on both the provider and insurance sides, as they don't want you to know how much of a deal they've cut in their backroom negotiations.
 
2022-09-28 2:51:58 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Tyrosine: I far prefer the European model where staff are fairly compensated and there is no tipping. I also prefer socialized medicine over the U.S. for profit model.

You can have both actually.

In Denmark, for instance, there's private hospitals alongside the government ones. The private hospitals allows wealthy individuals to get special treatment, be it rooms, boob jobs, or shorter waiting lists. And the government uses them as well, to live up to the set goals of waiting lines for X treatment never being longer than Y.

So the concept of "Death Panels" isn't a thing in the mixed system. Since you can always pay a private hospital, for a treatment the public has deemed useless, or frivolous.


My understanding is that both Canada (public insurance) and the UK (public hospitals/clinics) also have private options if you're willing to pay.
 
2022-09-28 2:54:34 PM  
ugh i don't think we all agree on 25% tipping. So add on 1/4 as much as what's on the bill? Given how restaurants have raised prices i've pulled back to 10% from the usual 20ish%
 
2022-09-28 2:56:06 PM  
We get 25 bills for an ER visit now. Who's left, the janitor?
 
2022-09-28 2:56:25 PM  
Sounds like the restaurant owner took a page out of the telephone industry handbook.

I work at a telco and we actually add a charge to the customers for the cost we incur keeping up with the FCC reporting requirements.
 
2022-09-28 2:57:11 PM  

AsparagusFTW: I tip in fake $20 bills that are directions to the local church. The only tip you need, is to follow Jesus Christ.

/Heathens!


Amen brother, and he said: "Verily I say unto thee, there is no such thing as a free fish and chips lunch."
 
2022-09-28 2:57:36 PM  

edmo: We get 25 bills for an ER visit now. Who's left, the janitor?


Don't give them any ideas.
 
2022-09-28 2:57:50 PM  
I tip in weed
 
2022-09-28 3:01:22 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I tip in weed


You were the best person to which to deliver pizzas. Seriously, us delivery folks loved you.

/ Our money was going to weed anyway back in the day.
 
2022-09-28 3:05:47 PM  
Lock down and don't go out to places with staff.  Problem solved.  Plus it reduces the chances of covid.
 
2022-09-28 3:05:51 PM  

pueblonative: Ketchuponsteak: Ass_Master_Flash: Just raise the prices to cover

They did, they raised the prices by 3.5%.

Read TFA. ;)

And I'm sure if we audit that business we'll see that 3.5% going directly and completely into the employees health care plan and nowhere near the douchebag owner's pocket, right?


Why are you asking me?
 
2022-09-28 3:09:39 PM  
So...do we surcharge all business costs now? Electricity? Rent? Admin? Why the hell would you specifically delineate healthcare coverage?
 
2022-09-28 3:10:07 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: Ass_Master_Flash: Just raise the prices to cover

They did, they raised the prices by 3.5%.

Read TFA. ;)


If they don't change all their menu items, and tack it onto the final bill, they're gonna piss off the customers who can't do the math in their head. Sales tax rates are annoying enough.
 
2022-09-28 3:14:18 PM  

cyberspacedout: Ketchuponsteak: Ass_Master_Flash: Just raise the prices to cover

They did, they raised the prices by 3.5%.

Read TFA. ;)

If they don't change all their menu items, and tack it onto the final bill, they're gonna piss off the customers who can't do the math in their head. Sales tax rates are annoying enough.


I just tip on bottom line. Screw the deconstruction.
 
2022-09-28 3:14:33 PM  
If the surcharge is stated up front on the menu, I'm okay with that.  If it's a secret charge that you don't find out about until you get the bill?  That should be fraud.

What's disgusting is that if you as the customer refuse to pay the hidden charge, it's the server that pays for it.  That's infuriating.
 
2022-09-28 3:16:04 PM  
I dont understand how most small businesses are able to pay their staff, but for some reason if you are a restaurant, even a successful ones rely on tips to pay staff.  Should every small store add a surcharge for the clerks?  Most restaurants are fast food and they seem to mange it.

Remove the exceptions in the labor laws, oh yea, politicians dont want to do that.
 
2022-09-28 3:26:27 PM  
Nice to see more industries adopting the insufferable pricing habits of the airlines.
 
2022-09-28 3:27:56 PM  

raerae1980: Stop making me tip for every service, and pay your damn employees.


Side ?:

Still planning on the Italy move with the election that transpired or did that derail it?
 
2022-09-28 3:36:15 PM  
Sure why not. This is basic economics is it not? Everyone seems to know that the restaurant business runs on pretty thin margins.

In order for a restaurant to stay open, the owner has to make enough money to justify keeping it open and he's got to pay enough people enough money to run the damn thing. The only variable here is how much the stuff on the menu costs. If it has to go up to satisfy the first 2 problems, so be it. If it's too much for what people expect, you'll lose clients.

This is all very academic, I don't know what the point of trying to engender outrage is.
 
2022-09-28 3:41:11 PM  
The problem I can see, it will come off the tips, just out of spite for the extra charge, with the costs of food items going up in many places probably can't risk raising them more, tipping demand continues to rise, while service seems to be less
 
2022-09-28 3:41:42 PM  
I'd tip generously if the nurses are giving out handjobs.

Nurse Warm Hands: "Your blood pressure looks fine, Mr Wine Sipping Elitist. Now let's check your ejaculation distance. I hope you've abstained for 24 hours."
 
2022-09-28 3:47:01 PM  

WhackingDay: Sure why not. This is basic economics is it not? Everyone seems to know that the restaurant business runs on pretty thin margins.

In order for a restaurant to stay open, the owner has to make enough money to justify keeping it open and he's got to pay enough people enough money to run the damn thing. The only variable here is how much the stuff on the menu costs. If it has to go up to satisfy the first 2 problems, so be it. If it's too much for what people expect, you'll lose clients.

This is all very academic, I don't know what the point of trying to engender outrage is.


Crappy restaurants have thin margins. Applebees grossed $4 billion last year.
 
2022-09-28 3:55:13 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: WhackingDay: Sure why not. This is basic economics is it not? Everyone seems to know that the restaurant business runs on pretty thin margins.

In order for a restaurant to stay open, the owner has to make enough money to justify keeping it open and he's got to pay enough people enough money to run the damn thing. The only variable here is how much the stuff on the menu costs. If it has to go up to satisfy the first 2 problems, so be it. If it's too much for what people expect, you'll lose clients.

This is all very academic, I don't know what the point of trying to engender outrage is.

Crappy restaurants have thin margins. Applebees grossed $4 billion last year.


Yeah there was a local owner, and I don't begrudge the guy too much for making money, but complained so much about costs, just bought a new Lamborghini, posts all his vacation pics, while "struggling" to pay employees and keep up
 
2022-09-28 3:56:41 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: WhackingDay: Sure why not. This is basic economics is it not? Everyone seems to know that the restaurant business runs on pretty thin margins.

In order for a restaurant to stay open, the owner has to make enough money to justify keeping it open and he's got to pay enough people enough money to run the damn thing. The only variable here is how much the stuff on the menu costs. If it has to go up to satisfy the first 2 problems, so be it. If it's too much for what people expect, you'll lose clients.

This is all very academic, I don't know what the point of trying to engender outrage is.

Crappy restaurants have thin margins. Applebees grossed $4 billion last year.


Why did you say margins and then just use gross profit as your metric?
 
2022-09-28 3:58:12 PM  

Dinjiin: Ketchuponsteak: Tyrosine: I far prefer the European model where staff are fairly compensated and there is no tipping. I also prefer socialized medicine over the U.S. for profit model.

You can have both actually.

In Denmark, for instance, there's private hospitals alongside the government ones. The private hospitals allows wealthy individuals to get special treatment, be it rooms, boob jobs, or shorter waiting lists. And the government uses them as well, to live up to the set goals of waiting lines for X treatment never being longer than Y.

So the concept of "Death Panels" isn't a thing in the mixed system. Since you can always pay a private hospital, for a treatment the public has deemed useless, or frivolous.

My understanding is that both Canada (public insurance) and the UK (public hospitals/clinics) also have private options if you're willing to pay.


And there's always the foreign option.

Paying healthinsurance on top of your tax probably isn't that bad, as the insurance company figures the public option handles most cases.
 
2022-09-28 4:00:05 PM  
Why is it being itemized on the bill at all ?

That 3.5% should be worked in to the cost of every item. There is no need to itemize it on the bill unless the owner is an asshole
 
2022-09-28 4:02:29 PM  

cyberspacedout: Ketchuponsteak: Ass_Master_Flash: Just raise the prices to cover

They did, they raised the prices by 3.5%.

Read TFA. ;)

If they don't change all their menu items, and tack it onto the final bill, they're gonna piss off the customers who can't do the math in their head. Sales tax rates are annoying enough.


Since there's an article about it, I'd wager they did piss of their customers.

And its probably true that a lot of them will remove the 3.5% from their tip. But for those who do, they probably end up paying more anyway, as they simply subtract 3.5 from 20, or 15, because they can't do math.
 
2022-09-28 4:10:59 PM  
How long before tipping %100 is expected?
 
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