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2022-09-28 12:31:01 PM  
Hey now, Subby, it could also be because the arguments are embarrassingly stupid.
 
2022-09-28 12:36:08 PM  
The article doesn't make a guess at the 3rd point where there's some difference over when and how to file briefs to the Special Master over some points of law.

I think it's a combination. At one level, TFG's team wanted to SM to review things but apparently only make recommendations that would ultimately be ruled on the the Judge, effectively stripping the SM of much actual authority. As a senior Judge, Dearie doesn't like playing 2nd fiddle like that, he'll simply rule on status. Judge Cannon will have to explicitly over-rule him if she dares. Essentially, Confidential and Presidential Records belong to the Government, they remain Confidential unless there's a declassification paper trail. And PRs are not "personal items" unless there's a paper trail there too, not just some "but I want it."

Also, it was apparent that TFG's team were asserting a default of ownership to TFG for many items including things that fit under Presidential Records where he was claiming the Presidential Records Act give him access and that means a possessory interest --- as opposed to a right to visit the archives and fondle them.

On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.
 
2022-09-28 1:09:28 PM  
"Proof? Evidence? We don't need that, he's the Ex-President!"

It's a certainly a novel defense.
 
2022-09-28 1:54:35 PM  

wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.


Who is "her"?
 
2022-09-28 2:01:13 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?


Judge Cannon I presume.
 
2022-09-28 2:02:42 PM  

TwowheelinTim: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?

Judge Cannon I presume.


That's why I asked; you have to make strong assumptions either way.
 
2022-09-28 2:12:25 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: TwowheelinTim: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?

Judge Cannon I presume.

That's why I asked; you have to make strong assumptions either way.


There is a very distinct difference between assume and presume. I had evidence to back up what I stated. There were no other "her" candidates named in the post.
 
2022-09-28 2:13:17 PM  
fark face has nothing, but that won't stop him delaying. The question now is how long the system will tolerate it, and if we have the brass to actually punish him.

As much as Trump will be "on trial" so too is the American legal system itself. Because if he isn't prosecuted and made to face justice, than why should anyone respect the bias system that has show, bald faced, how it no longer respects the Social Contract?

After that, you may as well get your friends together and wall off a section of land and declare yourselves the nation of Petoria. What good is a system of laws and officers enforcing them if they apply to some but not others?

That's just serfdom with extra steps, which, arguably is where we are already.
 
2022-09-28 2:14:09 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: TwowheelinTim: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?

Judge Cannon I presume.

That's why I asked; you have to make strong assumptions either way.


And Judge Cannon has made some "novel" interpretations of law during this fiasco.
 
2022-09-28 2:14:15 PM  
TFG: "A special master needs to review the documents for privilege"
Special Master: "What privilege am I looking for documents that are subject to"
TFG: "We can't tell you that"

This is absolutely all about delaying things and parading it in front of the right wing media. It has absolutely nothing to do with the law.
 
2022-09-28 2:15:38 PM  
1. Draw it out so long people forget Trump probably sold national secrets to foreign bidders.

2. Increase the buffoonery so people forget Trump probably sold national secrets to foreign bidders.
 
2022-09-28 2:16:27 PM  
Been arrested yet?
 
2022-09-28 2:20:44 PM  
Again, executive privilege just means conversations between the president and his advisors can be kept off the record. It isn't a magic word meaning he can do whatever he wants.
 
2022-09-28 2:25:39 PM  
Can we just have congress pass a law that former POTUS have executive privilege for life and can never be arrested for any crime!
 
2022-09-28 2:29:55 PM  

TwowheelinTim: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?

Judge Cannon I presume.


Rather obviously so.
 
2022-09-28 2:33:03 PM  

Puglio: Again, executive privilege just means conversations between the president and his advisors can be kept off the record. It isn't a magic word meaning he can do whatever he wants.


Please repeat that to Little Lord Fart L'Orange
 
2022-09-28 2:34:29 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: 1. Draw it out so long people forget Trump probably sold national secrets to foreign bidders.

2. Increase the buffoonery so people forget Trump probably sold national secrets to foreign bidders.


The delay tactic isn't working - Dearie's order to Team Trump was his "I'm here to chew bubblegum and rule on evidence" moment.

The DOJ's latest filing is them saying "Finish the saying! FINIsh iat!"

I expect Dearie to finish iat soon.
 
2022-09-28 3:19:51 PM  

Puglio: Again, executive privilege just means conversations between the president and his advisors can be kept off the record. It isn't a magic word meaning he can do whatever he wants.


Plus he seems to think the Presidential Records Act means those records belong to him. Actually the Act says the exact opposite - the records belong to the government, not the President.
 
2022-09-28 3:27:27 PM  
The DOJs filings have been very careful and respectful of the special master's time. The DOJ is very carefully saying "you wanted it this way, we'll we are doing it that way."

And the joke of the matter is - The really hot material has already been set aside for the DOJ to continue their work.  Trump's team is busy spending time on these effectively inconsequential item.  And the DOJ is willing to let them burn time on that. The DOJ has manpower. Trump right now has a couple of organ monkeys and a professional lawyer; and that lawyer (by all accounts) has been sidelined, likely because they gave real honest advice that trump didn't want to hear.

The other cases are also going to be taking up lots of time: There is the NYAG case, Georgia, what ever is going on with the DC grand jury that we have only heard whispers of.

I expect that NYAG case is going to soak up lots of time because the NYAG is going to dump discovery on Trump's counsel and say "here have fun with that truck load of files" and they'll be buried with that and not have the time to deal with Florida, Georgia or DC. I want to hear the judge say "he has means, let him hire more lawyers to support all the cases he has. We are moving forward and expect you to keep up."
 
2022-09-28 3:34:58 PM  
... also apparently 5 different document scanning services refused to do anything for Trump. LOL
 
2022-09-28 3:43:13 PM  
So ... they're lying, everyone knows they're lying, and they're desperately looking for a way not to have to lie on the record by refusing to commit to any statement whatsoever.
 
2022-09-28 4:00:35 PM  

Lusebagage: Can we just have congress pass a law that former POTUS have executive privilege for life and can never be arrested for any crime!


That already seems to be the case
 
2022-09-28 4:33:49 PM  

Jojo_TheDogFacedBoy: Puglio: Again, executive privilege just means conversations between the president and his advisors can be kept off the record. It isn't a magic word meaning he can do whatever he wants.

Plus he seems to think the Presidential Records Act means those records belong to him. Actually the Act says the exact opposite - the records belong to the government, not the President.


That isn't the first thing that Pinocchio** got bassackwards, and it certainly won't be the last.
 
2022-09-28 4:33:59 PM  

harleyquinnical: Little Lord Fart L'Orange


I like that. :)

I mean, not in an elevator, but still.....
 
2022-09-28 4:59:00 PM  

nmrsnr: Hey now, Subby, it could also be because the arguments are embarrassingly stupid.


I feel like this is the most obvious reason. Stupid. With him, the bottom line is always "stupid."
 
2022-09-28 5:00:49 PM  
The. Best. People.
 
2022-09-28 5:38:34 PM  
Why is the law just an inconvenience for some people?
 
2022-09-28 6:00:39 PM  

wademh: TwowheelinTim: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?

Judge Cannon I presume.

Rather obviously so.



I thought it was obviously Hillary, but I stand correced.
 
2022-09-28 6:52:42 PM  

TwowheelinTim: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?

Judge Cannon I presume.


Miss gendering detected.

Bad you.
 
2022-09-28 11:27:08 PM  
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2022-09-29 12:50:19 AM  

GOSH BARN IT: TwowheelinTim: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: wademh: On this last point, I think the DoJ wants to get right to it and have Dearie issue an opinion suitable for saying who will ultimately possess records while TFG's team want to have issue one of her "novel" interpretations of law.

Who is "her"?

Judge Cannon I presume.

Miss gendering detected.

Bad you.


How so? Does Judge Cannon have another preferred pronoun that wasn't made obvious in the article?
 
2022-09-29 7:53:44 AM  
Trump's team "informed us this morning that none of the five document-review vendors proposed by the government" were "willing to be engaged" by Trump. The DOJ asked Dearie for an extra day to secure a vendor themselves. The DOJ expects Trump to "pay the vendor's invoices promptly when rendered," the filing said.

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