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(Decider)   Netflix grabs ankles and removes LGBTQ tag from Dahmer series   (decider.com) divider line
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2022-09-28 11:55:09 AM  
What a bunch of crap. Dahmer, like it or not was a part of the LGBTQ community, and preyed upon that community. This shows how fickle and contrarian the LGBTQ community is, which from my experience dealing with that community and even participating in their organizations as a supporter and friend since the 90s is no surprise at all. If anything, the Dahmer story a cautionary tale. There are predators wherever you go, and just because you are in a somewhat close-knit community, that doesn't mean you are safe.
 
2022-09-28 1:18:36 PM  
Would the movie Cruising be considered LGBTQ+ since the whole point of the movie was about a killer within the gay community? What about a movie about Andrew Cunanan (killed Gianni Versace) who was gay and killed a number of his lovers? The LGBTQ+ tag should not be used only for feel good films. If a primary focus of the persons involved revolved around their sexual orientation then the tag is appropriate.
 
2022-09-28 1:18:45 PM  

The Exit Stencilist: What a bunch of crap. Dahmer, like it or not was a part of the LGBTQ community, and preyed upon that community. This shows how fickle and contrarian the LGBTQ community is, which from my experience dealing with that community and even participating in their organizations as a supporter and friend since the 90s is no surprise at all. If anything, the Dahmer story a cautionary tale. There are predators wherever you go, and just because you are in a somewhat close-knit community, that doesn't mean you are safe.


No, it was stupid for Netflix to do this.

The story is about a serial murderer, not a love story or triangle of gay folks or about gay rights.
 
2022-09-28 1:25:07 PM  
They should keep it. Remind everyone there's a tragic price to running a society where people are forced to live in the closet.
 
2022-09-28 1:25:43 PM  
Since Monster's release, several viewers have complained about seeing an LGBTQ tag on the series. "I mean, I know it's technically true, but this is not the representation we're looking for," a TikTok user by the name of Lizthelezbo said in a now-viral post.

LOL, "It's true, but we don't like him, so let's just pretend that it isn't true.".

Wonder what their fark handle is?
 
2022-09-28 1:37:16 PM  
The show details the places he preyed on victims and who they were. As a straight male who grew up during that time, I have actually learned quite a bit about the lifestyle in the decades of the seventies through the nineties from watching this show. The attention to detail is phenomenal throughout, I had always heard about the gay bath houses, but I frankly had no idea what the heck they actually looked like or how they functioned, until I saw it portrayed in the episode I watched last night.
 
2022-09-28 1:37:37 PM  

Mikey1969: Since Monster's release, several viewers have complained about seeing an LGBTQ tag on the series. "I mean, I know it's technically true, but this is not the representation we're looking for," a TikTok user by the name of Lizthelezbo said in a now-viral post.

LOL, "It's true, but we don't like him, so let's just pretend that it isn't true.".

Wonder what their fark handle is?


Eh, if you're part of a already marginalized/discriminated against community, I can see how you'd prefer the labels the community uses to only be presented/used in a positive or neutral light.

You just know there's assholes out there who are going to point to that tag on a Dahmer show as evidence to support/justify their hate for LGBTQ folk. Not that removing the tag will help that, of course.

I listened to Last Podcast on the Left's Dahmer episodes a long time ago, so I don't recollect all the details, but Dahmer was a bug-fark crazy person who happened to be homosexual and preyed on the community, not bug-fark crazy because he was homosexual.
 
2022-09-28 1:49:15 PM  
But is he a true Scotsman at least ?
 
2022-09-28 1:56:30 PM  
Dahmer was gay. He was sexually attracted to men. He was also a cannibal serial murderer. There are straight serial killers and gay serial killers. Being gay doesn't make one a saint. We are just like anyone else; some of us are awesome and some of us are awful. Sometimes you get a Pete Buttigieg, sometines you get a Jeffrey Dahmer,
 
2022-09-28 2:01:05 PM  
A documentary about someone who happens to be gay isn't an LGBT+ movie.
 
2022-09-28 2:06:49 PM  

palelizard: You just know there's assholes out there who are going to point to that tag on a Dahmer show as evidence to support/justify their hate for LGBTQ folk. Not that removing the tag will help that, of course.

I listened to Last Podcast on the Left's Dahmer episodes a long time ago, so I don't recollect all the details, but Dahmer was a bug-fark crazy person who happened to be homosexual and preyed on the community, not bug-fark crazy because he was homosexual.


He had sex with some of his victims.  Does that mean it should be tagged as "romance"?  He drilled holes in their skulls and poured acid into their brains.  Does that make it "action" or "medical"?  Or do we call it a "cooking" show?

Labeling it as LGBT is just a shiatty thing to do, hurting both functional usefulness of the tag and as a slap in the face to the community.
 
2022-09-28 2:07:09 PM  
Keep the label, but label all documentaries about religion, education, and politics as "contains pedophiles" to be just as accurate.
 
2022-09-28 2:10:06 PM  
His fridge had plenty of headroom

/ a salad of John & Yoko?

/ / he'd never eat me, I'm too bitter
 
2022-09-28 2:13:24 PM  

Thoreny: The Exit Stencilist: What a bunch of crap. Dahmer, like it or not was a part of the LGBTQ community, and preyed upon that community. This shows how fickle and contrarian the LGBTQ community is, which from my experience dealing with that community and even participating in their organizations as a supporter and friend since the 90s is no surprise at all. If anything, the Dahmer story a cautionary tale. There are predators wherever you go, and just because you are in a somewhat close-knit community, that doesn't mean you are safe.

No, it was stupid for Netflix to do this.

The story is about a serial murderer, not a love story or triangle of gay folks or about gay rights.


Any story about the gay life in the 70s-90s is about gay rights. One of the incidents portrayed documents what happened when an underage Asian male victim managed to escape, naked and bleeding from a drill hole Dahmer had put into his skull. The boy was being helped by a number of Black women who had called the police, when the police arrived Jeffry told them that his boyfriend was drunk. The police were so focused on the gay relationship between the two, they completely ignored the well being of the boy over the protests of the women present. Police returned the child to Dahmer so that he could finish the gruesome work he started. I would say this one example speaks volumes about how the gay community and the Black communities were marginalized particularly by police in Wisconsin, a situation that has not much improved today.
 
2022-09-28 2:17:40 PM  
It's called "Monster" not "Party Monster" jeez
 
2022-09-28 2:36:59 PM  
I was in college when he was caught and the story unfolded. My "first* gay friend" was as horrified as any decent person was about the murders, but admitted he thought Dahmer was hot.

* E was out before I met him. At 19, in that time and place (1990), I'd never known an openly gay guy before.
 
2022-09-28 2:37:48 PM  

Thoreny: The Exit Stencilist: What a bunch of crap. Dahmer, like it or not was a part of the LGBTQ community, and preyed upon that community. This shows how fickle and contrarian the LGBTQ community is, which from my experience dealing with that community and even participating in their organizations as a supporter and friend since the 90s is no surprise at all. If anything, the Dahmer story a cautionary tale. There are predators wherever you go, and just because you are in a somewhat close-knit community, that doesn't mean you are safe.

No, it was stupid for Netflix to do this.

The story is about a serial murderer, not a love story or triangle of gay folks or about gay rights.


I think you are either not understanding what I was saying or are being disingenuous. I did not make that point simply because Dahmer was a gay man. But that he was gay man that preyed upon the Gay Community in his area


"Following the murder of Tuomi, Dahmer began to actively seek victims, most of whom he encountered in or close to gay bars, and whom he typically lured to his grandmother's home. He would drug his victim with triazolam or temazepam before or shortly after engaging in sexual activity with them."
- Wikipedia

Bear in mind that his actions created a climate of death and fear in the few spaces Gays felt safe being themselves in their own city and neighborhoods. And I think by saying that had nothing to do with LGBTQ is just outright dishonest by ignoring that very real pain and fear and only serves as yet another example of woke revisionist history white-washing periods our time with bullshiat and happy faces
 
2022-09-28 2:41:27 PM  
CAVEAT: I have not seen the series.

That said, Dahmer specifically is an important story about how monsters can get away w/ it for awhile if the authorities/public doesn't think their victims are worthy of empathy. That does make it an LGBTQ themed story.
 
2022-09-28 2:52:34 PM  

Khellendros: He had sex with some of his victims.  Does that mean it should be tagged as "romance"?  He drilled holes in their skulls and poured acid into their brains.  Does that make it "action" or "medical"?  Or do we call it a "cooking" show?


Romance and cooking would amuse me, honestly.
 
2022-09-28 3:23:40 PM  
Did they have the tag on the John Wayne Gacy documentary?
 
2022-09-28 3:25:15 PM  

Trocadero: CAVEAT: I have not seen the series.

That said, Dahmer specifically is an important story about how monsters can get away w/ it for awhile if the authorities/public doesn't think their victims are worthy of empathy. That does make it an LGBTQ themed story.


Have not seen it either. But pretty much every Dahmer documentary includes a mention about whether bigotry played a part on the investigation or news coverage.
 
2022-09-28 3:54:45 PM  

meanmutton: A documentary about someone who happens to be gay isn't an LGBT+ movie.


More of a LGBT- movie
 
2022-09-28 4:09:59 PM  
Controversy aside, is it any good?
 
2022-09-28 4:18:03 PM  
Is Menace II Society no longer a black movie  ?
 
2022-09-28 4:24:09 PM  
Should have tagged it LGBTBBQ.
 
2022-09-28 4:27:21 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Should have tagged it LGBTBBQ.


No extra B for BYOBB?
 
2022-09-28 4:50:47 PM  

meanmutton: A documentary about someone who happens to be gay isn't an LGBT+ movie.


1. It's not a documentary.

2. It delves into an important piece of history in the gay community. In the 80s and 90s, especially after AIDS became a crisis, gay people were seen as subhuman, a prejudice that stretched into groups from all races, religions, and socio-economic classes. There were few protections to keep people from being fired from their jobs or kicked out of their homes for being gay (something that drove the rise in hookups at bathhouses and seedy motels. I'm sure some of them didn't want to risk bringing someone to their place and having their neighbors find out), and the few protections that did exist were seldom enforced.

Because of that, crimes against gay people were in many cases ignored, because in many cases, people just didn't care.

Dahmer's targeting of gay minorities wasn't a fetish. He knew they were people that, in his mind, larger society wouldn't miss. He knew the cops wouldn't break a sweat worrying over a missing gay black kid.

The series is very much an LGBTQ story.
 
2022-09-28 4:57:57 PM  

koder: Remind everyone there's a tragic price to running a society where people are forced to live in the closet.


are you claiming he turned into a cannibal serial killer because he was in the closet?
 
2022-09-28 4:59:14 PM  

The Wooden Pickle: Is Menace II Society no longer a black movie  ?


Menace II Society is a gangster movie.

The Hughes Brothers could have made the exact same movie with Latino characters in L.A. with minimal changes to the script.
 
2022-09-28 5:33:27 PM  
They used up their entire reservoir of courage telling Dave Chapelle's critics to go pound sand.
 
2022-09-28 5:42:10 PM  

stoli n coke: The Wooden Pickle: Is Menace II Society no longer a black movie  ?

Menace II Society is a gangster movie.

The Hughes Brothers could have made the exact same movie with Latino characters in L.A. with minimal changes to the script.


So it's a Latino movie?
 
2022-09-28 5:47:27 PM  

The Wooden Pickle: stoli n coke: The Wooden Pickle: Is Menace II Society no longer a black movie  ?

Menace II Society is a gangster movie.

The Hughes Brothers could have made the exact same movie with Latino characters in L.A. with minimal changes to the script.

So it's a Latino movie?


I don't disagree with you at all. My point is it could be any race. Fact or fiction. There are plenty of movies that go in the black/Latino  netflix category  that are unflattering.  Doesn't mean they aren't part of their story.   Every group has shiatty people.
 
2022-09-28 6:28:09 PM  

The Exit Stencilist: What a bunch of crap. Dahmer, like it or not was a part of the LGBTQ community, and preyed upon that community. This shows how fickle and contrarian the LGBTQ community is, which from my experience dealing with that community and even participating in their organizations as a supporter and friend since the 90s is no surprise at all. If anything, the Dahmer story a cautionary tale. There are predators wherever you go, and just because you are in a somewhat close-knit community, that doesn't mean you are safe.


Thats like saying Jurassic Park should be in Black History Month because a raptor ate Samuel Jackson one time.  If its a cautionary tale regarding predators that are everywhere, then you seem to be acknowledging that his sexual proclivities are not a crucial part of the story.

And representation for marginalized communities, pretty darn sure it goes without saying, the representation is supposed to be positive.
 
2022-09-28 7:01:54 PM  
I don't care about the tagging/not tagging kerfuffle. I just know that Ryan Murphy is nowhere near the top of the list of show creators who should be telling this story.
 
2022-09-28 7:05:31 PM  

someonelse: I don't care about the tagging/not tagging kerfuffle. I just know that Ryan Murphy is nowhere near the top of the list of show creators who should be telling this story.


He's too fixated on the sleazier aspects to do justice to the victims or their families.
 
2022-09-28 11:08:30 PM  

T.rex: The Exit Stencilist: What a bunch of crap. Dahmer, like it or not was a part of the LGBTQ community, and preyed upon that community. This shows how fickle and contrarian the LGBTQ community is, which from my experience dealing with that community and even participating in their organizations as a supporter and friend since the 90s is no surprise at all. If anything, the Dahmer story a cautionary tale. There are predators wherever you go, and just because you are in a somewhat close-knit community, that doesn't mean you are safe.

Thats like saying Jurassic Park should be in Black History Month because a raptor ate Samuel Jackson one time.  If its a cautionary tale regarding predators that are everywhere, then you seem to be acknowledging that his sexual proclivities are not a crucial part of the story.

And representation for marginalized communities, pretty darn sure it goes without saying, the representation is supposed to be positive.


I don't even know where to start...
 
2022-09-29 2:00:40 AM  

gbv23: His fridge had plenty of headroom

/ a salad of John & Yoko?

/ / he'd never eat me, I'm too bitter


Ok I'm late to the party but I need you to know that "a salad of John and Yoko" made me giggle myself stupid for like six hours.
 
2022-09-29 9:20:50 AM  
It is an LGBTQ story for the many reasons already pointed out above.

Removing the tag achieves nothing for the community, but emboldens the bigots who will whine about it being a cover up of the truth and then use it as an excuse to focus on Dahmer's sexuality as if it were the most important issue.
 
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