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(ESPN)   Marlins reliever's 8th inning goes like this: groundout--lineout--infield hit--balk--balk--balk to score a run--argue with umpire about all these balks--ejection   (espn.com) divider line
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2022-09-28 4:46:25 AM  
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2022-09-28 5:21:41 AM  
Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.
 
2022-09-28 5:30:51 AM  
Dave Stewart nods in appreciation.
 
2022-09-28 5:43:06 AM  

Ishkur: Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.


While I can't really answer your questions since I'm having trouble interpreting the actual rules myself, I'll at least post the relevant section from the MLB rule book so you can try and understand it

Balk Rules

1) You can't just be up there and just doin' a balk like that.
1a. A balk is when you
1b. Okay well listen. A balk is when you balk the
1c. Let me start over
1c-a. The pitcher is not allowed to do a motion to the, uh, batter, that prohibits the batter from doing, you know, just trying to hit the ball. You can't do that.
1c-b. Once the pitcher is in the stretch, he can't be over here and say to the runner, like, "I'm gonna get ya! I'm gonna tag you out! You better watch your butt!" and then just be like he didn't even do that.
1c-b(1). Like, if you're about to pitch and then don't pitch, you have to still pitch. You cannot not pitch. Does that make any sense?
1c-b(2). You gotta be, throwing motion of the ball, and then, until you just throw it.
1c-b(2)-a. Okay, well, you can have the ball up here, like this, but then there's the balk you gotta think about.
1c-b(2)-b. Fairuza Balk hasn't been in any movies in forever. I hope she wasn't typecast as that racist lady in American History X.
1c-b(2)-b(i). Oh wait, she was in The Waterboy too! That would be even worse.
1c-b(2)-b(ii). "get in mah bellah" -- Adam Water, "The Waterboy." Haha, classic...
1c-b(3). Okay seriously though. A balk is when the pitcher makes a movement that, as determined by, when you do a move involving the baseball and field of
2) Do not do a balk please.
 
2022-09-28 6:39:37 AM  

Ishkur: Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.


it's an oversimplification and doesn't cover everything, but I think of it as something a pitcher does that could fake out a runner or the batter, intentionally or otherwise. the official rules list 13 ways a balk can be committed.

the one I've personally seen most often involves the pitcher coming set (is on the rubber): his next motion has to be to throw to a base or make the pitch, and it must be completed. he can't fake a toss to a base; move, stop, and then start again to pitch; that sort of thing.

it's often very subtle, and in my extremely inexpert opinion, the first call is right but the other two are suspect. after Bleier comes set, he rocks his left and then right leg slightly. it's a balk if he pauses before proceeding to throw, whereas he's fine if it's all one continuous movement. the leg shifting is most obvious the first time, and he noticeably stops - albeit briefly - before pitching the ball.

ostensibly, he makes the same error the second and third times, but the rocking motion is smaller and more connected to the actual pitch, and I don't know that either is actually a balk. I suspect neither of those would have been called if the first never happened. maybe the umpire got huffy that Bleier complained over the initial, actual balk and went on a power trip?
 
2022-09-28 7:02:47 AM  
Pretty terrible video for the article.  In an article about a pitcher committing three balks in an inning, the video cuts to his motion too late to see if it really occurred in two of the three pitches.
 
2022-09-28 7:28:55 AM  

Ishkur: Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.


It's his hands. He never really comes to a full stop. He's slowly pulling his hands down during his "stop."

It's tiny enough that I'm surprised it got called, let alone three times, but that's what he did.
 
2022-09-28 7:29:40 AM  
Richard Bleier is, almost assuredly, the first Jewish pitcher to be called for three balks on one batter on Rosh Hashanah.
 
2022-09-28 8:46:09 AM  
The last time I went to a stadium to watch a baseball game (last month, actually), the pitcher got called for a balk and everyone around me was really surprised. Apparently, what made it particularly unusual was that it was a right handed pitcher and he was balking a runner on third base (if that's the right way to put it).

One of the guys I was with who's much more baseball savvy than me said he's seen it called with a right-handed pitcher and runner on first base, but never for a runner on third base.
 
2022-09-28 9:37:09 AM  
WELCOME TO THE UMP SHOW!

Forget the game and players, we know who you really want to see - little men flashing their oversized egos.  They can act like a douche without any consequences.

Baseball umpires - the Karens of professional sports.
 
2022-09-28 9:42:21 AM  

Dafatone: Richard Bleier is, almost assuredly, the first Jewish pitcher to be called for three balks on one batter on Rosh Hashanah.


Cmon dude. It was the night after Rosh Hashanah. Get it together.
 
2022-09-28 10:09:09 AM  

Dafatone: Ishkur: Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.

It's his hands. He never really comes to a full stop. He's slowly pulling his hands down during his "stop."

It's tiny enough that I'm surprised it got called, let alone three times, but that's what he did.


The first pitch he kind of took the ball out of the glove.  I think that's what got called and not the stop.  I didn't see it on the next two pitches though.
 
2022-09-28 10:31:33 AM  

Shotgun Justice: WELCOME TO THE UMP SHOW!

Forget the game and players, we know who you really want to see - little men flashing their oversized egos.  They can act like a douche without any consequences.

Baseball umpires - the Karens of professional sports.


(No argument from me about some umpires having Napoleon complexes) Players and managers act like spoiled children, even after they are ejected. That's one of several reasons I don't watch baseball.
/ I'd love to see an NFL player, after being disqualified from the game for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, scream in the referee's face for a couple minutes like baseball players do.
// How about an unruly customer who is "asked" to leave a bar? I'd enjoy the whole place cheering for him as he screams at the bartender instead of just leaving.
/// Third slashie refuses to leave quietly.
 
2022-09-28 11:36:50 AM  

Dafatone: Richard Bleier is, almost assuredly, the first Jewish pitcher to be called for three balks on one batter on Rosh Hashanah.


Hi Jon Heyman.
 
2022-09-28 11:46:26 AM  

Ishkur: Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.


In this case the umpires said he did not come to a complete stop before pitching. You have to come to a complete stop when ready to pitch to show the hitter and runner that you are ready to pitch the ball.

The pitcher was pumping his leg and moving his hands until he went to pitch it, so no complete stop. I would lean towards the technical call being a balk but too ticky tack to be called and I would just give him a heads up not to do it again or I would call it. But after the first one, the pitcher really should have known better and come to a complete and clear stop because if they call one, they will probably call anything arguably that follows.
 
2022-09-28 12:07:23 PM  

DRTFA: / I'd love to see an NFL player, after being disqualified from the game for an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, scream in the referee's face for a couple minutes like baseball players do.


They usually have two or three players and coaches yanking him away and down to locker room.

/like to see an NFL player with a WWE/MMA contract lined up piledrive a ref after ejection
 
2022-09-28 12:11:41 PM  

desertgeek: Dafatone: Richard Bleier is, almost assuredly, the first Jewish pitcher to be called for three balks on one batter on Rosh Hashanah.

Hi Jon Heyman.


As I described above, Heyman and I are both wrong.
 
2022-09-28 12:40:57 PM  

dywed88: Ishkur: Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.

In this case the umpires said he did not come to a complete stop before pitching. You have to come to a complete stop when ready to pitch to show the hitter and runner that you are ready to pitch the ball.

The pitcher was pumping his leg and moving his hands until he went to pitch it, so no complete stop. I would lean towards the technical call being a balk but too ticky tack to be called and I would just give him a heads up not to do it again or I would call it. But after the first one, the pitcher really should have known better and come to a complete and clear stop because if they call one, they will probably call anything arguably that follows.


It seems especially ticky tack simply because it's a 15 year MLB veteran who assuredly uses this exact motion in all of his appearances.
 
2022-09-28 9:47:15 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: dywed88: Ishkur: Can someone explain what Bleier did here? What he was doing that looked like a balk? It seems like such an obscure and seldom enforced rule.

In this case the umpires said he did not come to a complete stop before pitching. You have to come to a complete stop when ready to pitch to show the hitter and runner that you are ready to pitch the ball.

The pitcher was pumping his leg and moving his hands until he went to pitch it, so no complete stop. I would lean towards the technical call being a balk but too ticky tack to be called and I would just give him a heads up not to do it again or I would call it. But after the first one, the pitcher really should have known better and come to a complete and clear stop because if they call one, they will probably call anything arguably that follows.

It seems especially ticky tack simply because it's a 15 year MLB veteran who assuredly uses this exact motion in all of his appearances.


And had literally never been called for one in his career.
 
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