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(Chron)   Houston announces changes to gun buyback program after smartass games the system by selling dozens of 3D-printed guns to the city during the initial event   (chron.com) divider line
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2022-09-27 7:59:24 PM  
Make ghost guns illegal (in the name of safety you know) then but them. Seriously, printed guns can't possibly be as safe as those made by real gun makers.
 
2022-09-27 8:11:53 PM  
I'd sell my gun back to the government, but I don't feel like supporting organized crime.  - Abraham Lincoln
 
2022-09-27 8:22:59 PM  
"the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

So, of course, after you sent your message you gave back the money right?  Because that was not the point?
 
2022-09-27 8:24:06 PM  
Gun buybacks don't work (if your goal is to reduce crime/gun violence).


If your goal is to create a buffet of firearms for law enforcement to pick through for hidden gems, mission accomplished.
 
2022-09-27 8:24:59 PM  

edmo: Make ghost guns illegal (in the name of safety you know) then but them. Seriously, printed guns can't possibly be as safe as those made by real gun makers.


They have a habit of exploding after a shot or two.
 
2022-09-27 8:27:37 PM  
The Houston man who sold the box of ghost guns back to the city during July's event told Fox 26 that "the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

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2022-09-27 8:28:27 PM  
Gun buy pack programs just give taxpayer money for people to sell junk guns worth nothing, and use it to buy real guns
 
2022-09-27 8:30:46 PM  
A gun "buyback" (word is in quotes because you cannot "buy back" something you never owned in the first place...) in my home city a few years ago was sponsored by someone fairly wealthy. The initial flyer posted on Facebook said they would pay $25 for each semi-auto magazine surrendered. Basically everyone noticed you could buy a 20-round polymer magazine for AR-15s from the local farm stores. People were bombarding the Facebook post with questions like "Do I need to remove the magazines from the packaging before surrendering them?" The police department promptly took magazines off the list of things they were going to give money for.

All these things do is collect garbage/junk guns. Lots of people show up with non-functional or barely-functional firearms to take the profit for surrendering a rusting hunk of steel.

Years ago I inherited a bolt-action shotgun from my grandfather. With Google, I found there was a permanent recall on these guns as the bolt could shear off and eject backwards to injure the eye/forehead of the shooter. The recall was where Sears sent me a postage-paid box, I dropped the bolt in the box, and mailed it in. They sent me a check for $175 and left me with a non-functional shotgun. I kept the barrel and stock for about 18 months until my city announced a gun "buyback" with no questions asked. I took them the non-functional barrel and stock and they gave me $200 for it.
 
2022-09-27 8:31:54 PM  
The Houston man who sold the box of ghost guns back to the city during July's event told Fox 26 that "the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

Ok. How about you donate that money to a worthy charity?
 
2022-09-27 8:32:43 PM  
Oh good FSM, just give it up and issue guns to every American citizen including kindygartners.  Then we can shoot out the political outcome.
 
2022-09-27 8:37:35 PM  
Now I am not a lawyer, but I thought that the way the Federal laws worked was that you could manufacture a gun for your own use, but if you manufactured a gun with the intent to sell, you had to meet certain federal and state licensing and legal requirements, and if you did not, I was under the impression that was a felony.  Didn't this genius just commit ten felonies by manufacturing and selling weapons that did not meet federal manufacturing and licensing requirements?  I mean, of the top of my head I was to know if the guns had a tamper resistant stamp showing the unique serial number for each gun, and the proper registry with the ATF for said serial numbers...or am I mistaken?
 
2022-09-27 8:37:46 PM  
Even old demiled or "junk" guns can be stupid valuable for parts.

All buy backs do is penalize people who do not know what they have.
 
2022-09-27 8:39:18 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The Houston man who sold the box of ghost guns back to the city during July's event told Fox 26 that "the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

Ok. How about you donate that money to a worthy charity?


assholes gonna asshole I guess.

I guess there is nothing to do but admit he is correct. I would be sure to publicly announce how correct he is by giving him an award on TV, posting his picture on a billboard along with cash he now has on hands along with his full name and address to show how proud we are of our citizens for doing the right thing.
 
2022-09-27 8:39:55 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The Houston man who sold the box of ghost guns back to the city during July's event told Fox 26 that "the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

Ok. How about you donate that money to a worthy charity?


Like the NRA Foundation?
 
2022-09-27 8:41:37 PM  
Can we have a "gun try-back" program where cops have to give us their SWAT stuff in exchange for our crappy Hi-Points?
 
2022-09-27 8:42:32 PM  

winedrinkingman: Didn't this genius just commit ten felonies by manufacturing and selling weapons


Gun "buyback" programs are not considered to be a sale of a firearm. It's a voluntary surrender of a firearm for destruction and any compensation is a gift.
 
2022-09-27 8:45:25 PM  

gameshowhost: Can we have a "gun try-back" program where cops have to give us their SWAT stuff in exchange for our crappy Hi-Points?


I remember the good ol' days when it was all Lorcin & Jennings .25 calibers.
 
2022-09-27 8:46:08 PM  
See, the smart person would've sold the fake guns, then used the proceeds to buy the really nice ones people are preparing to get rid of to prevent destruction of good antiques.
 
2022-09-27 8:46:17 PM  
Don't you need special permission to manufacture a gun from scratch?  Like an FFL, maybe?
 
2022-09-27 8:47:15 PM  
HaHa
 
2022-09-27 8:47:21 PM  

phedex: gameshowhost: Can we have a "gun try-back" program where cops have to give us their SWAT stuff in exchange for our crappy Hi-Points?

I remember the good ol' days when it was all Lorcin & Jennings .25 calibers.


ooh, the quality stuff
 
2022-09-27 8:47:45 PM  

emonk: Don't you need special permission to manufacture a gun from scratch?  Like an FFL, maybe?


Not for personal use. You do if you're manufacturing them for commercial sale.
 
2022-09-27 8:48:19 PM  

iheartscotch: Even old demiled or "junk" guns can be stupid valuable for parts.

All buy backs do is penalize people who do not know what they have.


One of my favorite guns is a piece of junk I picked up at a yardsale that had a broken stock.  It is a single shot 12 gauge.  I put a new stock and fore grip on it, resurfaced the steel, cleaned/lubed it, replaced the sight and shortened the barrel some. Also bought .22 and cartridge adapters for it.  Very useful on the farm to have a 12 gauge, .22 and .40 all in the same package.  The foregrip stores 50 rounds of .22, both adapters and the stock stores 2 slugs, 2 birdshot, 2 buckshot.  It isn't "tacticool" at all, but it is very reliable.  Almost totally useless for criminal pursuits, but really really functional and dirt cheap.  The owner was basically throwing it away.  Of course, for collectors' purposes, it is still worthless, so perhaps a bit off topic.
 
2022-09-27 8:49:07 PM  

Hyjamon: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The Houston man who sold the box of ghost guns back to the city during July's event told Fox 26 that "the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

Ok. How about you donate that money to a worthy charity?

assholes gonna asshole I guess.

I guess there is nothing to do but admit he is correct. I would be sure to publicly announce how correct he is by giving him an award on TV, posting his picture on a billboard along with cash he now has on hands along with his full name and address to show how proud we are of our citizens for doing the right thing.


For what reason? He followed the letter of the program, and the governing laws of the US.

I have zero issues with what the guy did.
 
2022-09-27 8:49:23 PM  

emonk: Don't you need special permission to manufacture a gun from scratch?  Like an FFL, maybe?


Nope, not on a federal level.

State law varies.
 
2022-09-27 8:50:09 PM  

iheartscotch: Even old demiled or "junk" guns can be stupid valuable for parts.

All buy backs do is penalize people who do not know what they have.


I bet Ian from Forgotten Weapons would love to hang around places that have these 'buy-backs'.
 
2022-09-27 8:50:49 PM  

phedex: gameshowhost: Can we have a "gun try-back" program where cops have to give us their SWAT stuff in exchange for our crappy Hi-Points?

I remember the good ol' days when it was all Lorcin & Jennings .25 calibers.


I saw one where they bought back flare guns.  Flare guns can be had for $40 or so, I think.

CSB:  I have a friend that travels for work a great deal.  He puts a flare gun in his checked luggage and declares it.  If, for some reason, his luggage is lost the TSA goes to great lengths to find it because it is a declared firearm.  It's like a $40 insurance policy against his bags being lost.
 
2022-09-27 8:51:09 PM  

mrmopar5287: winedrinkingman: Didn't this genius just commit ten felonies by manufacturing and selling weapons

Gun "buyback" programs are not considered to be a sale of a firearm. It's a voluntary surrender of a firearm for destruction and any compensation is a gift.


I dont know much about these things, but I'd imagine there is some sort of no-questions-asked policy, or else no criminal would go near it, & the police would never get even 1 illegal weapon off the streets. So i'd imagine there is not much they can do in this particular situation.
 
2022-09-27 8:51:20 PM  

C18H27NO3: I bet Ian from Forgotten Weapons would love to hang around places that have these 'buy-backs'.


Sometimes you find buyers who ply the lines to look through what people are turning in. If they'll get $200 and something is worth more than that, a cash offer of $250 is enough to get them to sell it to the guy who knows what it is.
 
2022-09-27 8:51:35 PM  
But then the police won't be able to demo the destruction of all the crap guns they bought back.

The good ones got repurposed
 
2022-09-27 8:52:31 PM  

Kit Fister: emonk: Don't you need special permission to manufacture a gun from scratch?  Like an FFL, maybe?

Not for personal use. You do if you're manufacturing them for commercial sale.


Lockpicks, as Moist knew, were technically not illegal. Owning them was fine. Owning them while standing in someone else's house was not fine. Owning them while being found in a stricken bank vault was so far from fine it could see the curvature of the universe.
 
2022-09-27 8:52:45 PM  
No point doing a gun buyback unless you're simultaneously making those guns illegal.  Otherwise you just get enterprising people like this fellow making more guns.

Good luck, America.
 
2022-09-27 8:52:58 PM  

stray_capts: the TSA goes to great lengths to find it because it is a declared firearm


We have nothing to do with finding lost luggage. We don't care one bit.
 
2022-09-27 8:53:03 PM  

C18H27NO3: iheartscotch: Even old demiled or "junk" guns can be stupid valuable for parts.

All buy backs do is penalize people who do not know what they have.

I bet Ian from Forgotten Weapons would love to hang around places that have these 'buy-backs'.


There tends to be groups of enterprising people down the street that are offering twice the price for specific guns. $200-$250 is the price of a single shot .22. Even an AR-7 goes for $250-$300
 
2022-09-27 8:53:34 PM  
People should read again about the Brits' attempt to reduce the population of cobras in India by paying for them (and then killing the cobras).

Plot twist: locals started breeding cobras. The population of snakes increased.
 
2022-09-27 8:56:26 PM  

vilesithknight: I'd imagine there is some sort of no-questions-asked policy


That is 100% how it works. No one checks to see if anyone turning anything in is a legal possessor or even the owner of what they are surrendering. It's a face-to-face deal where you surrender something and if they agree it is worth surrendering (meets the criteria to turn in) they give you cash or a gift card with no questions asked.

That's the deal. If police start getting up in everyone's business, no one will show up.
 
2022-09-27 8:57:57 PM  

mrmopar5287: C18H27NO3: I bet Ian from Forgotten Weapons would love to hang around places that have these 'buy-backs'.

Sometimes you find buyers who ply the lines to look through what people are turning in. If they'll get $200 and something is worth more than that, a cash offer of $250 is enough to get them to sell it to the guy who knows what it is.


And then another deadly M1 Garand is on the streets to be used in another mass shooting.  Good work, gun nuts.
 
2022-09-27 8:59:06 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: People should read again about the Brits' attempt to reduce the population of cobras in India by paying for them (and then killing the cobras).

Plot twist: locals started breeding cobras. The population of snakes increased.


Same thing is happening in Florida with their python hunts
 
2022-09-27 9:00:18 PM  

stray_capts: iheartscotch: Even old demiled or "junk" guns can be stupid valuable for parts.

All buy backs do is penalize people who do not know what they have.

One of my favorite guns is a piece of junk I picked up at a yardsale that had a broken stock.  It is a single shot 12 gauge.  I put a new stock and fore grip on it, resurfaced the steel, cleaned/lubed it, replaced the sight and shortened the barrel some. Also bought .22 and cartridge adapters for it.  Very useful on the farm to have a 12 gauge, .22 and .40 all in the same package.  The foregrip stores 50 rounds of .22, both adapters and the stock stores 2 slugs, 2 birdshot, 2 buckshot.  It isn't "tacticool" at all, but it is very reliable.  Almost totally useless for criminal pursuits, but really really functional and dirt cheap.  The owner was basically throwing it away.  Of course, for collectors' purposes, it is still worthless, so perhaps a bit off topic.


Off or on topic that's awesome.  That's pretty much the direct opposite of tacticool -  functional fiddling, adaptery etc. to make an effective firearm version of a multi-tool for a situation it's damn useful in.  That shiat's practicool.  There, that's a word now
 
2022-09-27 9:01:36 PM  

Dimensio: And then another deadly M1 Garand is on the streets to be used in another mass shooting.


If you find yourself in those circumstances, listen for the CLANG sound when an empty clip is ejected. The shooter will be vulnerable while reloading - you can charge their position.
 
2022-09-27 9:04:36 PM  
FTFA: Turner told ABC 13 that officials will not accept 3D-printed "ghost guns" at the next buyback to avoid shelling out payments to alleged scammers of the program in the future.

So, they're essentially saying ghost guns are okay now, since they won't buy them.

At least, that's what I'm getting from that statement. I may also be reading too much into it.

...I really have no idea where I was going with this...
 
2022-09-27 9:10:11 PM  

Sasquach: Gun buybacks don't work (if your goal is to reduce crime/gun violence).


I agree with you, gun buybacks don't work and I appreciate you being so vocal about ending the unabated manufacturing of firearms.  Because, you agree, that's the only thing that will work because everything else we tried (gun buybacks, gun free zones, etc) doesn't work.  Thank you for your support
 
2022-09-27 9:10:14 PM  

PaceyWhitter: "the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

So, of course, after you sent your message you gave back the money right?  Because that was not the point?


Hell, no.
 
2022-09-27 9:10:25 PM  

mrmopar5287: Dimensio: And then another deadly M1 Garand is on the streets to be used in another mass shooting.

If you find yourself in those circumstances, listen for the CLANG sound when an empty clip is ejected. The shooter will be vulnerable while reloading - you can charge their position.


Then listen for "OW!  My thumb!"
 
2022-09-27 9:10:38 PM  
I don't suppose Texas will consider loosing lots of money to cons a valid reason to ban 3-d printed guns.

It's obvious that using them to commit mass murder is not a reason.

In fact, I imagine they are working on free and easy access of cons to guns, even within prisons (not for profit, that is). It might cost the owners of the prisons for profit money if they allowed the cons to just mail order 3-d printed guns.
 
2022-09-27 9:14:15 PM  

mrmopar5287: Dimensio: And then another deadly M1 Garand is on the streets to be used in another mass shooting.

If you find yourself in those circumstances, listen for the CLANG sound when an empty clip is ejected. The shooter will be vulnerable while reloading - you can charge their position.


Sure, unless they also printed one of those extended clips that lets them shoot hundreds of rounds without reloading.
 
2022-09-27 9:21:11 PM  

Sasquach: Gun buybacks don't work (if your goal is to reduce crime/gun violence).


If your goal is to create a buffet of firearms for law enforcement to pick through for hidden gems, mission accomplished.


Australia would like a word...
 
2022-09-27 9:24:36 PM  

PaceyWhitter: "the goal was not personal profit, but to send [Houston leaders] a message about spending $1 million tax dollars on something that has no evidence of any effect on crime."

So, of course, after you sent your message you gave back the money right?  Because that was not the point?


No, you burn it, have you learned nothing from  The Joker?
 
2022-09-27 9:30:14 PM  
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2022-09-27 9:36:41 PM  

mrmopar5287: Dimensio: And then another deadly M1 Garand is on the streets to be used in another mass shooting.

If you find yourself in those circumstances, listen for the CLANG sound when an empty clip is ejected. The shooter will be vulnerable while reloading - you can charge their position.


it's not a clip it's a dessert topping

/there was an interesting video where someone tested that theory.  as it turns out, a half-trained rifleman can reload an M1 and fire really, really quickly.
//especially if they don't whine about their mangled thumb until later

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