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2022-09-27 2:53:53 PM  
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2022-09-27 3:20:08 PM  
Some of you just can't appreciate hairfarking bestiality
 
2022-09-27 3:24:21 PM  
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2022-09-27 3:26:11 PM  
I have always thought of the movie as "Dances with Smurfs".  And Smurfette teaches the main character how to smurf all the animals in the forest.  And then they have to deal with a flying Azrael, fleas and all.  And then they live happily ever after munching smurf berries.
 
2022-09-27 3:27:59 PM  
Even on a technical level I don't think it had much of an impact besides a short lived boom in 3d movies.  I've only seen parts of it on TV, but it looks like the same cartoony CGI they've been using since the Star Wars prequels.
 
2022-09-27 3:31:20 PM  
So many Avatar phrases and scenes have made it into the zeitgeist.

"Run, Forrest, Run"
"No, I am your father"
"Here's looking at you kid."
"Badges, we don't need no stinking badges."
"I'll be back"
 
2022-09-27 3:42:04 PM  
No.   Didn't even get around to checking out the 2nd movie.
 
2022-09-27 3:49:49 PM  

whidbey: No.   Didn't even get around to checking out the 2nd movie.


You didn't miss much

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2022-09-27 3:55:27 PM  
He doesn't exactly refute the thesis that it was a glorified tech demo.

/the mech knife fight was pretty cool though
 
2022-09-27 3:55:33 PM  
I remember that it was trendy to say "I see you" for a few weeks.

But otherwise its biggest cultural impact has been Jenny Nicholson videos.
 
2022-09-27 4:05:11 PM  
Its cultural impact, if anything, was to briefly make 3D movies more popular, before everybody realized that you get a headache from watching them for too long.

I guess I will thank James Cameron for indirectly being responsible for this: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1268799/
 
2022-09-27 4:15:36 PM  
It was hot garbage. I walked out, and I'm cheap as fark.
 
2022-09-27 4:18:34 PM  
I haven't seen it, have no desire to, and frankly have no interest in a high-tech knock-off of Dances With Wolves nor indeed any other variation on the White Savior / Rousseauvian Natural State Indigeneous People / Cultural Appropriation tropes.

Also can we please stop calling mere stereoscopy "3D"? It's a Viewmaster at 30fps. One of the reasons that stuff gives you a headache is because your brain relies on a lot more cues than mere stereo vision to model depth ("These ones are small and close..."), and if the cues are not consistent it's not going to look right.
 
2022-09-27 4:19:55 PM  
LOL, did James Cameron commission that adverticle?  I've noticed AV Club going all in on this Avatar nonsense lately.
 
2022-09-27 4:21:00 PM  

HugeMistake: I haven't seen it, have no desire to, and frankly have no interest in a high-tech knock-off of Dances With Wolves nor indeed any other variation on the White Savior / Rousseauvian Natural State Indigeneous People / Cultural Appropriation tropes.

Also can we please stop calling mere stereoscopy "3D"? It's a Viewmaster at 30fps. One of the reasons that stuff gives you a headache is because your brain relies on a lot more cues than mere stereo vision to model depth ("These ones are small and close..."), and if the cues are not consistent it's not going to look right.


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2022-09-27 4:30:51 PM  
there was a lot of athletic blue loincloth-wearing r34 for a while there.  is that considered "pop culture"?
 
2022-09-27 4:41:05 PM  
"I know you asked THIS question, but I'm going to pretend it's THIS question and answer that one."
 
2022-09-27 4:46:47 PM  
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I know it made a lot of money, but that's all it did.  It was a "too hungover and not bad enough to grab the remote" movie.  Those I knew who were enamored with it fell into two groups: those who were under 18 and those who'd seen it in 3D (with obvious overlap).

I don't know how much they made on toys, but a few years later, a lot of unsold action figures ended up hanging over the redemption counter at the arcade where I repaired games and attractions.  And I'm sure that fate was shared at similar establishments.  Mind you, they were hanging among Terminator 3 toys that were unsold after 5+ years.  Granted, nobody wants an action figure of the dude played by J.P. from Grandma's Boy...
 
2022-09-27 5:02:41 PM  
I was not woke enough to really appreciate this film. Sad.

or maybe it just wasn't very good or interesting, aside from the scenery.
 
2022-09-27 5:28:34 PM  
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2022-09-27 5:33:43 PM  
FTFA:

"And finally, there are the theme parks. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge and Marvel's Avengers Campus, immersive worlds at the Disney resort and elsewhere, likely wouldn't exist if Pandora: The World of Avatar hadn't come first."

Insert any number of "yeah, ok, whatever" derisive looks. Stupid conclusion for a stupid article.
 
2022-09-27 5:42:26 PM  
I didn't watch the original and I have zero interest in watching this new one. I hope those of you that are into it enjoy it though.
 
2022-09-27 6:52:12 PM  
but no seriously...its hard to have a "cultural impact" when you're not an original work
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2022-09-27 7:03:38 PM  
Summary: Avatar fan is upset that Avatar had practically no impact on pop culture, tries to convince everyone they were actually super impressed by a movie they probably would have completely forgotten about if James Cameron didn't keep bringing it up and threatening sequels.
 
2022-09-27 7:14:25 PM  
It made me think Michelle Rodriguez was even hotter than she was before the movie.
 
2022-09-27 7:17:33 PM  

skyotter: I remember that it was trendy to say "I see you" for a few weeks.

But otherwise its biggest cultural impact has been Jenny Nicholson videos.


This is the way.
 
2022-09-27 7:19:10 PM  

FormlessOne: skyotter: I remember that it was trendy to say "I see you" for a few weeks.

But otherwise its biggest cultural impact has been Jenny Nicholson videos.

This is the way.


What's weird is I know "I see you" is a quote from Avatar because it occasionally gets mentioned in these threads. But I don't remember it at all from the movie itself.
 
2022-09-27 7:19:23 PM  
It seems boring to have someone else repeat the obvious. But I watched once for the 3d "experience" and then never once thought about seeing it again
 
2022-09-27 7:23:03 PM  

jda007: FTFA:

"And finally, there are the theme parks. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge and Marvel's Avengers Campus, immersive worlds at the Disney resort and elsewhere, likely wouldn't exist if Pandora: The World of Avatar hadn't come first."

Insert any number of "yeah, ok, whatever" derisive looks. Stupid conclusion for a stupid article.


Not so much "stupid" as "desperate," at least to me. Also, last time I checked, Jurassic Park came out in '93, whereas Avatar came out in 2009.

The Wizarding World of Harry Potter opened on June 18, 2010. That park was being built years before Avatar was released. It would be just as appropriate to state, quite bluntly, that without Harry Potter, Avatar wouldn't have stood a chance.
 
2022-09-27 7:24:58 PM  
I went last weekend with my girlfriend to see Avatar in the theater because her son (15) had never seen it. Asked what he thought.  He says "Okay, I Guess. I don't know why people thought it was so impressive when it came out though. I mean the graphics aren't any better than my Xbox S."
Damn near slapped the kid into next week. Whippersnapper doesn't understand the graphics we had to grow up with. Mattel Electronic Football. Had maybe 20 red lights to represent the entire game. So when Avatar comes along, of course I was blown away. I mean the story was ok, but goddamn were the visuals amazing. Kids today just don't understand.

/the farking theater had the 3d projector lenses reversed so that the 3d effect was all crazy. You had to put the glasses on upside down to see it correctly. I told the movie kid out in the hallway and he shrugs and says "huh. That's weird." And goes back to looking at his phone. I say "Well....can you tell someone? " he shrugs again and says "yeah, I guess. " he didn't.  I found someone who cared 45 minutes later when I went to take a piss, to go flip them.
 
2022-09-27 7:26:49 PM  

EdgeRunner: FormlessOne: skyotter: I remember that it was trendy to say "I see you" for a few weeks.

But otherwise its biggest cultural impact has been Jenny Nicholson videos.

This is the way.

What's weird is I know "I see you" is a quote from Avatar because it occasionally gets mentioned in these threads. But I don't remember it at all from the movie itself.


It's said a few times in the movie, but the reason why I think it gets forgotten is that it's also the name of one of the songs in the movie, and that the marketing so completely stomped the meaning it became pointless.
 
2022-09-27 7:30:03 PM  

FormlessOne: jda007: FTFA:

"And finally, there are the theme parks. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge and Marvel's Avengers Campus, immersive worlds at the Disney resort and elsewhere, likely wouldn't exist if Pandora: The World of Avatar hadn't come first."

Insert any number of "yeah, ok, whatever" derisive looks. Stupid conclusion for a stupid article.

Not so much "stupid" as "desperate," at least to me. Also, last time I checked, Jurassic Park came out in '93, whereas Avatar came out in 2009.

The Wizarding World of Harry Potter opened on June 18, 2010. That park was being built years before Avatar was released. It would be just as appropriate to state, quite bluntly, that without Harry Potter, Avatar wouldn't have stood a chance.


An immersive theme park experience was Walt Disney's whole concept for the Magic Kingdom and its various lands. Claiming that Avatar retroactively inspired that, as if it was somehow the very first themed area that Disney ever made, is as dumb as pretending Avatar was the very first movie to ever feature spaceships and humanoid aliens.
 
2022-09-27 7:32:14 PM  
The question is more who keeps submitting this thread every day when it's averaging maybe 75 comments from the same people?
 
2022-09-27 7:34:54 PM  

FormlessOne: EdgeRunner: FormlessOne: skyotter: I remember that it was trendy to say "I see you" for a few weeks.

But otherwise its biggest cultural impact has been Jenny Nicholson videos.

This is the way.

What's weird is I know "I see you" is a quote from Avatar because it occasionally gets mentioned in these threads. But I don't remember it at all from the movie itself.

It's said a few times in the movie, but the reason why I think it gets forgotten is that it's also the name of one of the songs in the movie, and that the marketing so completely stomped the meaning it became pointless.


Avatar had songs?

Effing H, man. I have a clearer memory of Jupiter Ascending.
 
2022-09-27 7:56:01 PM  

EdgeRunner: FormlessOne: EdgeRunner: FormlessOne: skyotter: I remember that it was trendy to say "I see you" for a few weeks.

But otherwise its biggest cultural impact has been Jenny Nicholson videos.

This is the way.

What's weird is I know "I see you" is a quote from Avatar because it occasionally gets mentioned in these threads. But I don't remember it at all from the movie itself.

It's said a few times in the movie, but the reason why I think it gets forgotten is that it's also the name of one of the songs in the movie, and that the marketing so completely stomped the meaning it became pointless.

Avatar had songs?

Effing H, man. I have a clearer memory of Jupiter Ascending.


As do I, much to my consternation.
 
2022-09-27 7:56:46 PM  

EdgeRunner: FormlessOne: jda007: FTFA:

"And finally, there are the theme parks. Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge and Marvel's Avengers Campus, immersive worlds at the Disney resort and elsewhere, likely wouldn't exist if Pandora: The World of Avatar hadn't come first."

Insert any number of "yeah, ok, whatever" derisive looks. Stupid conclusion for a stupid article.

Not so much "stupid" as "desperate," at least to me. Also, last time I checked, Jurassic Park came out in '93, whereas Avatar came out in 2009.

The Wizarding World of Harry Potter opened on June 18, 2010. That park was being built years before Avatar was released. It would be just as appropriate to state, quite bluntly, that without Harry Potter, Avatar wouldn't have stood a chance.

An immersive theme park experience was Walt Disney's whole concept for the Magic Kingdom and its various lands. Claiming that Avatar retroactively inspired that, as if it was somehow the very first themed area that Disney ever made, is as dumb as pretending Avatar was the very first movie to ever feature spaceships and humanoid aliens.


Yep, on all counts.
 
2022-09-27 8:00:07 PM  
A lot of you are talking out of your ass if you claim the movie didn't have an impact.
 
2022-09-27 8:08:02 PM  

drewogatory: The question is more who keeps submitting this thread every day when it's averaging maybe 75 comments from the same people?


Folks gotta make quota, y'know?
 
2022-09-27 9:21:40 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: A lot of you are talking out of your ass if you claim the movie didn't have an impact.


Then please, enlighten us.

I was an adult when it came out, entrenched in pop culture and the only impact it had was 3D, which has largely settled in as an option "if you want it". That's it.

The rest of the article does the Electric Slide on the Jump to Conclusions mat. It basically says any forward movement in movie technology was because of Avatar, instead of Avatar just being one of the first to use it. It did motivate anyone to use the technology. No one said "Oh man, Avatar made all this money, sign me up!".

I am looking forward to seeing middling returns for the sequel.
 
2022-09-27 9:22:11 PM  
*did NOT motivate anyone to use the technology
 
2022-09-27 11:41:45 PM  
Jesus.

I know it's just an entertainment rag, but when all of your arguments are farking textbook "post hoc ergo propter hoc" (literally "one thing happened later than the other thing, therefore the first thing must have caused the second") you need to farking turn in your keyboard and never write anything ever again, online or off.

The outright trolls in the Politics tab construct better arguments even whenthey're doing the faux-stupid 'foaming at the mouth' bit they do, what the fark, mate.  Can you really not come up with anything?

Like, it's an opinion piece, surely you can support why something is your farking opinion, that's the lowest bar in existence and I cannot comprehend how you could fail to clear it.  "I personally bought a DVD and have watched it, therefore at least one person has continuing interest in the film and I totally count that as a continuing impact on cinema", there, I farking did your job for you.
 
2022-09-28 12:18:00 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Jesus.

I know it's just an entertainment rag, but when all of your arguments are farking textbook "post hoc ergo propter hoc" (literally "one thing happened later than the other thing, therefore the first thing must have caused the second") you need to farking turn in your keyboard and never write anything ever again, online or off.

The outright trolls in the Politics tab construct better arguments even whenthey're doing the faux-stupid 'foaming at the mouth' bit they do, what the fark, mate.  Can you really not come up with anything?

Like, it's an opinion piece, surely you can support why something is your farking opinion, that's the lowest bar in existence and I cannot comprehend how you could fail to clear it.  "I personally bought a DVD and have watched it, therefore at least one person has continuing interest in the film and I totally count that as a continuing impact on cinema", there, I farking did your job for you.


No incisive reviews - I thought we were supposed to engage in light mockery and, on occasion, attack each other, like a sarcastic pack of hyenas? This is too engaged, at least to me.
 
2022-09-28 12:19:18 AM  
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2022-09-28 12:37:42 AM  

portnoyd: DeathByGeekSquad: A lot of you are talking out of your ass if you claim the movie didn't have an impact.

Then please, enlighten us.

I was an adult when it came out, entrenched in pop culture and the only impact it had was 3D, which has largely settled in as an option "if you want it". That's it.

The rest of the article does the Electric Slide on the Jump to Conclusions mat. It basically says any forward movement in movie technology was because of Avatar, instead of Avatar just being one of the first to use it. It did motivate anyone to use the technology. No one said "Oh man, Avatar made all this money, sign me up!".

I am looking forward to seeing middling returns for the sequel.


Yeah, the latest 3D revival was pretty much the only influential thing Avatar did. And it didn't inspire an "Oh boy, look what we can do with 3D now!" wave of creativity, but an "Oh boy, look how much more money we can make when you add a 3D surcharge to the ticket price!" cash grab. It was nothing more than a short-lived gimmick, as 3D fads have always been.

As for its supposed advances in CGI, the truly impactful film series was the Lord of the Rings trilogy, during which Weta developed most of the groundbreaking techniques that they'd later use for Avatar. While the effects for Cameron's movie were more advanced and polished than LOTR's, Avatar wasn't the pioneering film that introduced them. The Hobbits got there first, despite walking slow as shiat.
 
2022-09-28 2:11:51 AM  

EdgeRunner: portnoyd: DeathByGeekSquad: A lot of you are talking out of your ass if you claim the movie didn't have an impact.

Then please, enlighten us.

I was an adult when it came out, entrenched in pop culture and the only impact it had was 3D, which has largely settled in as an option "if you want it". That's it.

The rest of the article does the Electric Slide on the Jump to Conclusions mat. It basically says any forward movement in movie technology was because of Avatar, instead of Avatar just being one of the first to use it. It did motivate anyone to use the technology. No one said "Oh man, Avatar made all this money, sign me up!".

I am looking forward to seeing middling returns for the sequel.

Yeah, the latest 3D revival was pretty much the only influential thing Avatar did. And it didn't inspire an "Oh boy, look what we can do with 3D now!" wave of creativity, but an "Oh boy, look how much more money we can make when you add a 3D surcharge to the ticket price!" cash grab. It was nothing more than a short-lived gimmick, as 3D fads have always been.

As for its supposed advances in CGI, the truly impactful film series was the Lord of the Rings trilogy, during which Weta developed most of the groundbreaking techniques that they'd later use for Avatar. While the effects for Cameron's movie were more advanced and polished than LOTR's, Avatar wasn't the pioneering film that introduced them. The Hobbits got there first, despite walking slow as shiat.


Regarding the VFX, that's pretty much the only thing the article gets right. The advances in motion capture and virtual cameras were big steps over previous techniques.

But the rest of the article is one big shiatty reach.
 
2022-09-28 4:39:11 AM  
Where the hell did Zoe Saldana go anyway? Is Cameron keeping her in stasis?
 
2022-09-28 8:52:59 AM  
The only cultural impact it made was people making fun of it for being a bad movie that made a ton of money.
 
2022-09-28 9:25:41 AM  
My favorite subgenre of the 'Avatar made no cultural impact' think pieces the last week is the constant running down of Marvel/DC/etc for not coming up with original ideas and just farming IPs without ever mentioning that Cameron is farming his own 'original' IP for 4 more sequels.
 
2022-09-28 9:30:41 AM  

Spartapuss: Where the hell did Zoe Saldana go anyway? Is Cameron keeping her in stasis?


Star Trek and Marvel aren't visible enough for you?
 
2022-09-28 10:29:44 AM  
So... According to TFA, avatar merch didn't sell well at first release because retailers prefer to recycle known culture commodities, and avatar merch isn't selling now because retailers prefer things that are current?

*wanking motion*
 
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