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(EuroNews)   In what is surely a coincidence and certainly nothing nefarious, both Nord Stream pipelines from Russia to Germany have mysteriously sprung leaks   (euronews.com) divider line
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921 clicks; posted to Politics » on 27 Sep 2022 at 9:30 AM (26 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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BitwiseShift
2022-09-27 9:33:13 AM  
15 votes:
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qorkfiend [TotalFark]
2022-09-27 9:42:25 AM  
10 votes:

vudukungfu: Amazing what you can do with an armor piercing round and a .357 weatherby magnum.


At the bottom of the Baltic Sea?
 
Dansker
2022-09-27 10:03:32 AM  
9 votes:
What a farting ocean might look like:
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Don't Lag Me Bro
2022-09-27 9:57:19 AM  
6 votes:
The only country I wouldn't suspect is Germany. US, Ukraine, Russia high on the suspect list.
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2022-09-27 9:23:32 AM  
4 votes:
Amazing what you can do with an armor piercing round and a .357 weatherby magnum.
 
jso2897 [TotalFark]
2022-09-27 9:42:53 AM  
4 votes:
"Clean natural gas", chuckled the archeologist in 3022.
Just joking.
There won't be any archeologists, or people.
 
iheartscotch
2022-09-27 9:49:39 AM  
4 votes:

MattytheMouse: This Fark thread is brought to you by Nord VPN. They should've used Nord VPN to prevent these leaks!


Because I can absolutely trust a company from Panama that swearsies that it's totes not monitoring you!

/ it's really a choice of who is monitoring you at this point.

// it's really a...choice of evils....

/// that noise you heard was a bunch of us who saw the animated Return of the King from the 80's shifting.
 
Danack
2022-09-27 10:43:10 AM  
4 votes:

Dansker: No, all the Nord Stream pipes have been closed since August, so this doesn't make much difference.


That was blackmail by Russia. "While the war goes on, the pipeline stayed closed, so stop supplying weapons to Ukraine."

As the pipelines are now blown up (allegedly in multiple places), it removes the 'carrot' from the Russian negotiating position.
 
Dansker
2022-09-27 10:09:59 AM  
3 votes:

mongbiohazard: kindms: russians committing eco-terrorism ? not like they would shell nuclear power plants or something

If the pipelines had holes drilled in to them underwater somehow... I don't think that'd be the Russians. The Russians control the pipeline! They can just shut it off, and have done that at least once already.


Nord Stream 2 was never put to use, and Nord Stream 1 has been closed "for maintenance" since August. The gas escaping now was just there to maintain pressure.
 
coyo [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-09-27 11:00:05 AM  
3 votes:
If the Russians built the pipeline, I wouldn't rule out shoddy design.
 
MattytheMouse
2022-09-27 9:32:50 AM  
2 votes:
This Fark thread is brought to you by Nord VPN. They should've used Nord VPN to prevent these leaks!
 
kindms
2022-09-27 9:56:58 AM  
2 votes:
russians committing eco-terrorism ? not like they would shell nuclear power plants or something
 
Abe Vigoda's Ghost
2022-09-27 10:42:50 AM  
2 votes:

Don't Lag Me Bro: The only country I wouldn't suspect is Germany. US, Ukraine, Russia high on the suspect list.


I don't think the US would do it. The US government has been pretty hands off with what could be viewed as a direct attack against Russia. For an underwater pipeline, I would be more suspicious of Russia, since it would take a bit of somewhat advanced tech to get there to do the damage.
Of course, just dragging an anchor would probably do the trick, but I would think that would have been easily traced back to the offending ship.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-09-27 10:57:48 AM  
2 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I would be more suspicious of Russia, since it would take a bit of somewhat advanced tech to get there to do the damage.


Russia wants the revenue from selling the gas.
I kinda doubt they did it. At least not on purpose.
 
Dansker
2022-09-27 11:34:57 AM  
2 votes:
Two explosions were registered in the area last night by seismic stations in both Sweden and Denmark, according to Swedish TV: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/svt-avslojar-tva-explosioner-intill-nord-stream

And the Danish Prime Minister has informed all the leaders of the other parties in the Danish Parliament about something regarding this, but nobody wants to say what they've told.
 
mongbiohazard [BareFark]
2022-09-27 10:01:44 AM  
1 vote:

kindms: russians committing eco-terrorism ? not like they would shell nuclear power plants or something


If the pipelines had holes drilled in to them underwater somehow... I don't think that'd be the Russians. The Russians control the pipeline! They can just shut it off, and have done that at least once already.

That said, their decision making skills have been proven lately to be............. shiat. So who knows? They could also be stupid enough, but I'll keep an open mind.
 
EvilElecBlanket
2022-09-27 10:02:38 AM  
1 vote:

Don't Lag Me Bro: The only country I wouldn't suspect is Germany. US, Ukraine, Russia high on the suspect list.


This sorta locks in the Germans, eh?
 
Danack
2022-09-27 10:06:43 AM  
1 vote:

Don't Lag Me Bro: The only country I wouldn't suspect is Germany.


I dunno.

The German intelligence agencies are possibly a bit concerned at how effective the Russian propaganda is on the right wing idiots in Germany, who had been calling for an of supplying weapons to Ukraine and for both nordstream pipelines to be operated at full supply.

With the nord stream pipelines asploded, the gas lines through Ukraine will need to carry more....which means bringing the war to an end sooner, by supplying more weapons to Ukraine and putting more pressure on Russia is a better strategy than leaving the Russian invasion to grind on for years.
 
Danack
2022-09-27 10:10:21 AM  
1 vote:

Dansker: What a farting ocean might look like:[Fark user image 850x514]


It'd probably be a good idea (though maybe a bit late) to set fire to that. CO2 is less green-house-gassy than methane is.

Plus it would look cool.
 
qorkfiend [TotalFark]
2022-09-27 10:13:19 AM  
1 vote:

Danack: Dansker: What a farting ocean might look like:[Fark user image 850x514]

It'd probably be a good idea (though maybe a bit late) to set fire to that. CO2 is less green-house-gassy than methane is.

Plus it would look cool.


They're already very concerned about navigation hazard, doubtful they'd want to make that worse.
 
Dr. Bison
2022-09-27 10:13:21 AM  
1 vote:
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/oblig.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-09-27 10:29:22 AM  
1 vote:

vudukungfu: Amazing what you can do with an armor piercing round and a .357 weatherby magnum.


Underwater?
 
Abe Vigoda's Ghost
2022-09-27 10:45:18 AM  
1 vote:

vlakorados: MattytheMouse: This Fark thread is brought to you by Nord VPN. They should've used Nord VPN to prevent these leaks!

I hear Netflix is starting to make people turn off their VPN in order to watch anything. You know, that whole "watch other countries' streaming services" thing that the VPN companies keep using as a major selling point? Netflix ain't having it anymore.

/off topic
//womp womp


Log into Netflix, then turn on your VPN.
Hit refresh.
Watch other countries content.
 
Dansker
2022-09-27 11:04:14 AM  
1 vote:

SpectroBoy: Dansker: SpectroBoy: qorkfiend: Danack: Dansker: What a farting ocean might look like:[Fark user image 850x514]

It'd probably be a good idea (though maybe a bit late) to set fire to that. CO2 is less green-house-gassy than methane is.

Plus it would look cool.

They're already very concerned about navigation hazard, doubtful they'd want to make that worse.

I'd rather see a fireball and steer clear than drive THROUGH a cloud of flammable gas.

It's pretty windy on the Baltic, the gas is going to disperse quickly, so I doubt there's an actual cloud.


Fair point.

But I still picture "Hey Zeke! Look at them bubbles! Let's go take a look! "


I wonder how much the gas reduces the water's bouyancy. Maybe the Zeke problem would solve itself. Or maybe he'll try to light the ocean farts on fire, in which case we all get what we want.
 
THX 1138 [TotalFark]
2022-09-27 11:06:33 AM  
1 vote:
Turnip winter
 
Dansker
2022-09-27 11:45:28 AM  
1 vote:

Dansker: Two explosions were registered in the area last night


... or, more accurately, explosions were registered at 2:03 am and 7:04 pm on Monday, with the first reports of the leaks coming in from passing ships at 1:52 pm and 8:41 pm.
 
mongbiohazard [BareFark]
2022-09-27 12:01:50 PM  
1 vote:

Dansker: mongbiohazard: kindms: russians committing eco-terrorism ? not like they would shell nuclear power plants or something

If the pipelines had holes drilled in to them underwater somehow... I don't think that'd be the Russians. The Russians control the pipeline! They can just shut it off, and have done that at least once already.

Nord Stream 2 was never put to use, and Nord Stream 1 has been closed "for maintenance" since August. The gas escaping now was just there to maintain pressure.


Yeah, just saying the Russians control their end of the pipeline - they don't need to drill holes in it to fark it up. They can just unplug it. So for them to make the effort of sabotaging a pipeline they control anyway doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
Dansker
2022-09-27 12:28:27 PM  
1 vote:

mongbiohazard: Dansker: mongbiohazard: kindms: russians committing eco-terrorism ? not like they would shell nuclear power plants or something

If the pipelines had holes drilled in to them underwater somehow... I don't think that'd be the Russians. The Russians control the pipeline! They can just shut it off, and have done that at least once already.

Nord Stream 2 was never put to use, and Nord Stream 1 has been closed "for maintenance" since August. The gas escaping now was just there to maintain pressure.

Yeah, just saying the Russians control their end of the pipeline - they don't need to drill holes in it to fark it up. They can just unplug it. So for them to make the effort of sabotaging a pipeline they control anyway doesn't make a lot of sense to me.


For what it's worth, Ukraine is openly accusing Russia: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63044747
 
Dansker
2022-09-27 1:23:40 PM  
1 vote:

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: mongbiohazard: Dansker: mongbiohazard: kindms: russians committing eco-terrorism ? not like they would shell nuclear power plants or something

If the pipelines had holes drilled in to them underwater somehow... I don't think that'd be the Russians. The Russians control the pipeline! They can just shut it off, and have done that at least once already.

Nord Stream 2 was never put to use, and Nord Stream 1 has been closed "for maintenance" since August. The gas escaping now was just there to maintain pressure.

Yeah, just saying the Russians control their end of the pipeline - they don't need to drill holes in it to fark it up. They can just unplug it. So for them to make the effort of sabotaging a pipeline they control anyway doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

They only conceivable way it would make sense for them to do it would be if they want to point to 'sabotage damage' and try to blame it on someone else, maybe to justify an attack.

But that still seems like an awful reach.


It's not inconceivable that Putin thinks stuff like this can scare European populations into protesting their own governments' support of Ukraine.
 
groverpm
2022-09-27 2:04:40 PM  
1 vote:

Ketchuponsteak: groverpm: Ketchuponsteak: kindms: russians committing eco-terrorism ? not like they would shell nuclear power plants or something

Its harmless methan gas.

[Fark user image 604x453]

Its spelled methane.

But other than that, yeah, its harmless.


Not flammable or a potent greenhouse gas? Are you aware of what happens to the buoyancy of ships that sail in water with a gas bubbling up through it?
 
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