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2022-09-27 6:33:49 AM  
Where's your democracy now?
 
2022-09-27 7:13:52 AM  
Bring it.  Let's get this over and done. If you want real violence in the streets, ACTUALLY steal an election. Maybe that is how this farking BS finally ends
 
2022-09-27 7:23:47 AM  
I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.
 
2022-09-27 7:31:15 AM  

Hanky: Bring it.  Let's get this over and done. If you want real violence in the streets, ACTUALLY steal an election. Maybe that is how this farking BS finally ends


Didn't happen after the election was stolen from Gore.

"The case, called Moore v. Harper, "is about who has the constitutional authority to draw federal election maps and has nothing to do with presidential electors," said Lauren Horsch, a spokeswoman for N.C. Senate leader Phil Berger.

I'm pretty sure drawing the election map has everything to do with presidential electors.
 
2022-09-27 7:40:20 AM  
"Democracy is far too important to be left in the hands of the voters, and we will correct their mistakes to choose for them what will be in their best interests, because...FREEDOM!"
 
2022-09-27 7:42:31 AM  
It's kind of an egregious conflict of interest, having the sitting legislators able to void their own defeat, but right in keeping with the GOP's idea of democracy.
 
2022-09-27 7:45:49 AM  
"If Eric Holder is concerned about election deniers running for office, then I hope he uses his time in North Carolina to have a conversation with Gov. Cooper and the DGA about their recent decisions to fund candidates they claim are threats to democracy," she said.

Your beef there is much more of a Citizens United issue, ya moran, which itself is an abject lesson on partisan myopia.
 
2022-09-27 7:50:14 AM  

yohohogreengiant: vudukungfu: Where's your democracy now?

Pretty much where it started. Flawed, written by self interested flawed men who thought it was okay to own people. Regressive, in that we amended our constitution but never sat down for a rewrite.

We're running the beta release of democracy, scared shiatless of the upgrade, suffering from poorly designed patches, and whistling past vast, exploitable security holes.


....well f*ck.
 
2022-09-27 8:00:42 AM  
"The main focus is on gerrymandering. If North Carolina lawmakers win the case, states would have free rein to draw congressional district maps that artificially inflate the power of whichever political party controls the state legislature. "

... oh, so just the way it is now?
 
2022-09-27 8:00:49 AM  
Uhh bush v gore was like twenty something years ago
 
2022-09-27 8:01:29 AM  
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2022-09-27 8:02:09 AM  
"Elections have consequences..."

The people should have been voting all along... We reap the whirlwind of their laziness and utter contempt for the process. I know politicians suck and the process sucks and the ads suck and it's all a bunch of suck. But the Republicans were there for every election and if you did not vote or get involved and watched all of this happen... this is on you.

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2022-09-27 8:03:02 AM  

vudukungfu: Where's your democracy now?


Sitting quiet, watching and cleaning it's guns.
Just in case.
 
2022-09-27 8:06:51 AM  
torches, pitchforks

there must be a consequence for willingly betraying one's oath of the country
 
2022-09-27 8:08:10 AM  
"...no one disagrees that a ruling for North Carolina would give states more power to draw maps without state court oversight. The only disagreement there is whether it's good or bad."

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2022-09-27 8:08:23 AM  
Well, when the soap box has failed, and the jury box is actively kicking over the ballot box, there's only one box left to override legislators.
 
2022-09-27 8:20:40 AM  

Hanky: Bring it.  Let's get this over and done. If you want real violence in the streets, ACTUALLY steal an election. Maybe that is how this farking BS finally ends


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2022-09-27 8:21:47 AM  

SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.


It's almost as if we should evolve as a society and not go by what people from the 1700s thought because we know there were things they couldn't antifi
 
2022-09-27 8:22:05 AM  
The Constitution is about checks and balances, not blank checks and gross imbalances.
 
2022-09-27 8:22:35 AM  

NoahFenze: SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.

It's almost as if we should evolve as a society and not go by what people from the 1700s thought because we know there were things they couldn't antifi


anticipate
/I was typing and my keyboard just shut down and my thumb hit add comment.
 
2022-09-27 8:24:15 AM  
And that's when the murders began...
 
2022-09-27 8:25:19 AM  

bighairyguy: The Constitution is about checks and balances, not blank checks and gross imbalances.


Which is why the GOP is trying to FIX that, you silly goose.
 
2022-09-27 8:26:45 AM  

wearsmanyhats: "The case, called Moore v. Harper, "is about who has the constitutional authority to draw federal election maps and has nothing to do with presidential electors," said Lauren Horsch, a spokeswoman for N.C. Senate leader Phil Berger.

I'm pretty sure drawing the election map has everything to do with presidential electors.


The point  is to get a ruling that the state legislature is supreme, regardless of what the state constitution says, when it comes to electing federal office.

Then, when they overturn the vote and hand thier electors to the GQP, they point at this ruling as the legal reason to do so.

Stating this is "only about maps" is a lie.
 
2022-09-27 8:28:41 AM  

SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.


The Founding Fathers were never fans of everyone voting.  It was only about white dudes who owned land.  And even then, it was the legislatures that handled picking senators and POTUS electors.

Sure, the Founding Fathers did some great things compared to how things started at the time, but they sure as hell shouldn't be considered the endpoint of democracy.  We can do better.
 
2022-09-27 8:38:41 AM  

NeoCortex42: SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.

The Founding Fathers were never fans of everyone voting.  It was only about white dudes who owned land.  And even then, it was the legislatures that handled picking senators and POTUS electors.

Sure, the Founding Fathers did some great things compared to how things started at the time, but they sure as hell shouldn't be considered the endpoint of democracy.  We can do better.


This never was a democracy. We must get rid of the 1st, 2nd (two laws no other country has) and the Senate.

Always pertinent:

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2022-09-27 8:38:57 AM  
Remember this is but a part of the price you were so eager to pay in 2016.
 
2022-09-27 8:40:43 AM  

johnphantom: NeoCortex42: SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.

The Founding Fathers were never fans of everyone voting.  It was only about white dudes who owned land.  And even then, it was the legislatures that handled picking senators and POTUS electors.

Sure, the Founding Fathers did some great things compared to how things started at the time, but they sure as hell shouldn't be considered the endpoint of democracy.  We can do better.

This never was a democracy. We must get rid of the 1st, 2nd (two laws no other country has) and the Senate.

Always pertinent:

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I'm fine keeping the First Amendment around.  Just look at what some GOP states have tried to do with chilling speech.  Without the First Amendment, shiat would get real bad real quick in a lot of states, and also at the federal level.
 
2022-09-27 8:41:37 AM  
The SCOTUS is trying to claim the power to overturn state constitutions so that the legislature can appoint whomever they choose despite the vote.

How is that not actively denying a republican form of government to the states?

Or are we back to arguing that any form of government without a monarch is a republic? Please don't be that stupid. The Soviet Union had no king, and that was no republic.
 
2022-09-27 8:41:59 AM  

qorkfiend: Remember this is but a part of the price you were so eager to pay in 2016.


Well, I voted for Hillary, and actually went out on election day, in some places where I felt kind of unsafe due to the clear density of Trump signs to try and help get people to the polls and know where their voting station was.

So, no.
 
2022-09-27 8:42:24 AM  

johnphantom: We must get rid of the 1st


lol no.
 
2022-09-27 8:42:51 AM  

Felgraf: qorkfiend: Remember this is but a part of the price you were so eager to pay in 2016.

Well, I voted for Hillary, and actually went out on election day, in some places where I felt kind of unsafe due to the clear density of Trump signs to try and help get people to the polls and know where their voting station was.

So, no.


Good for you.

You know you're not the only other person on this website, right?
 
2022-09-27 8:45:01 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: The SCOTUS is trying to claim the power to overturn state constitutions so that the legislature can appoint whomever they choose despite the vote.

How is that not actively denying a republican form of government to the states?

Or are we back to arguing that any form of government without a monarch is a republic? Please don't be that stupid. The Soviet Union had no king, and that was no republic.


Because they are "STRICT CONSTITUTIONALISTS" You just have to read the Constitution like they do. And in the Old English, it clearly states that the Aristocracy shall rule over the Jesus Freaks who will reign supreme and kill all the infidels.

I mean, it's right there in the document. Duh.
 
2022-09-27 8:45:45 AM  

NeoCortex42: johnphantom: NeoCortex42: SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.

The Founding Fathers were never fans of everyone voting.  It was only about white dudes who owned land.  And even then, it was the legislatures that handled picking senators and POTUS electors.

Sure, the Founding Fathers did some great things compared to how things started at the time, but they sure as hell shouldn't be considered the endpoint of democracy.  We can do better.

This never was a democracy. We must get rid of the 1st, 2nd (two laws no other country has) and the Senate.

Always pertinent:

[Fark user image 768x960]

I'm fine keeping the First Amendment around.  Just look at what some GOP states have tried to do with chilling speech.  Without the First Amendment, shiat would get real bad real quick in a lot of states, and also at the federal level.


The whole reason why we have the Nazis running around out in the open is because of "Free Speech".

NuclearPenguins: johnphantom: We must get rid of the 1st

lol no.


See above, you are enabling them.
 
2022-09-27 8:45:59 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: The point  is to get a ruling that the state legislature is supreme, regardless of what the state constitution says, when it comes to electing federal office.


Yes, when the state constitution is is conflict with what the US Constitution says, we go with the US Constitution.

wearsmanyhats: "The case, called Moore v. Harper, "is about who has the constitutional authority to draw federal election maps and has nothing to do with presidential electors," said Lauren Horsch, a spokeswoman for N.C. Senate leader Phil Berger.

I'm pretty sure drawing the election map has everything to do with presidential electors.


Evidently that's because you don't understand how presidential electors work. State-wide popular election determines which candidate gets the state's Presidential electors. The drawing of the election map, which determines House Representatives, is not relevant to the process.
 
2022-09-27 8:47:34 AM  
Yeah cuthz we're a rEpUbLiC, hurr durr!
 
2022-09-27 8:49:58 AM  

cryptozoophiliac: The SCOTUS is trying to claim the power to overturn state constitutions so that the legislature can appoint whomever they choose despite the vote.

How is that not actively denying a republican form of government to the states?

Or are we back to arguing that any form of government without a monarch is a republic? Please don't be that stupid. The Soviet Union had no king, and that was no republic.


Because the Supreme Court says it's not.

It's almost like the judiciary was vitally important the whole time.
 
2022-09-27 8:52:23 AM  

johnphantom: NeoCortex42: johnphantom: NeoCortex42: SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.

The Founding Fathers were never fans of everyone voting.  It was only about white dudes who owned land.  And even then, it was the legislatures that handled picking senators and POTUS electors.

Sure, the Founding Fathers did some great things compared to how things started at the time, but they sure as hell shouldn't be considered the endpoint of democracy.  We can do better.

This never was a democracy. We must get rid of the 1st, 2nd (two laws no other country has) and the Senate.

Always pertinent:

[Fark user image 768x960]

I'm fine keeping the First Amendment around.  Just look at what some GOP states have tried to do with chilling speech.  Without the First Amendment, shiat would get real bad real quick in a lot of states, and also at the federal level.

The whole reason why we have the Nazis running around out in the open is because of "Free Speech".



Except when the Nazis are in charge, what sort of speech do you think is getting restricted?  Or are you fine with Republicans states like Florida being legally allowed to force non-straight people to live in the closet their entire lives?  If you get rid of the first, that is, without hyperbole, what would happen in some states.
 
2022-09-27 8:52:27 AM  

Chompachangas: Yeah cuthz we're a rEpUbLiC, hurr durr!


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I love living in a REPUBLIC run by these gene pool rejects.
 
2022-09-27 8:54:00 AM  
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2022-09-27 8:54:36 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: wearsmanyhats: "The case, called Moore v. Harper, "is about who has the constitutional authority to draw federal election maps and has nothing to do with presidential electors," said Lauren Horsch, a spokeswoman for N.C. Senate leader Phil Berger.

I'm pretty sure drawing the election map has everything to do with presidential electors.

The point  is to get a ruling that the state legislature is supreme, regardless of what the state constitution says, when it comes to electing federal office.

Then, when they overturn the vote and hand thier electors to the GQP, they point at this ruling as the legal reason to do so.

Stating this is "only about maps" is a lie.


I'll have to work on my phrasing.
 
2022-09-27 8:55:09 AM  

johnphantom: See above, you are enabling them.


Again, lol no. I'm not giving up my freedom because stupid people exist.
 
2022-09-27 9:00:44 AM  
So, the ammo box it is.
 
2022-09-27 9:02:39 AM  
the NC GOP is the worst.
 
2022-09-27 9:02:52 AM  
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2022-09-27 9:06:59 AM  
Once votes no longer count there will be no more voting and that will be the end.
 
2022-09-27 9:07:24 AM  

yohohogreengiant: vudukungfu: Where's your democracy now?

Pretty much where it started. Flawed, written by self interested flawed men who thought it was okay to own people. Regressive, in that we amended our constitution but never sat down for a rewrite.

We're running the beta release of democracy, scared shiatless of the upgrade, suffering from poorly designed patches, and whistling past vast, exploitable security holes.


Security holes we know have been exploited.
 
2022-09-27 9:09:15 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Once votes no longer count there will be no more voting and that will be the end.


That's not true.  Most dictatorships have voting long after the votes no longer count.  How else would Putin get to brag about winning 95% of the vote each time?
 
2022-09-27 9:10:08 AM  

LZeitgeist: So, the ammo box it is.


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2022-09-27 9:12:30 AM  

qorkfiend: cryptozoophiliac: The SCOTUS is trying to claim the power to overturn state constitutions so that the legislature can appoint whomever they choose despite the vote.

How is that not actively denying a republican form of government to the states?

Or are we back to arguing that any form of government without a monarch is a republic? Please don't be that stupid. The Soviet Union had no king, and that was no republic.

Because the Supreme Court says it's not.

It's almost like the judiciary was vitally important the whole time.


Are you saying I shouldn't have stayed at home on voting days, refusing to endorse the corrupt system, man?
 
2022-09-27 9:12:35 AM  

johnphantom: NeoCortex42: SoupGuru: I'm kind of amazed that it's even possible.

Maybe these founding fathers weren't as smart as we'd like to think they are.

The Founding Fathers were never fans of everyone voting.  It was only about white dudes who owned land.  And even then, it was the legislatures that handled picking senators and POTUS electors.

Sure, the Founding Fathers did some great things compared to how things started at the time, but they sure as hell shouldn't be considered the endpoint of democracy.  We can do better.

This never was a democracy. We must get rid of the 1st, 2nd (two laws no other country has) and the Senate.

Always pertinent:

[Fark user image image 768x960]


"We have to get rid of the 1st amendment" is a pretty shiatty take
 
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