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2022-09-26 11:16:03 PM  
That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.
 
2022-09-26 11:23:25 PM  
That's all well and good until creepy freepers convince some gal to claim that she is in need of the pilots services only to have him met at the airport by a bunch of axe handle swinging redneck assholes.
 
2022-09-26 11:33:21 PM  
That's badass and I wish the organization all the best, but ideally, I'd like their business model to be unnecessary.
 
2022-09-27 12:02:17 AM  

fragMasterFlash: That's all well and good until creepy freepers convince some gal to claim that she is in need of the pilots services only to have him met at the airport by a bunch of axe handle swinging redneck assholes.


Or kidnap them to a state where they'll be prosecuted out of their jurisdiction.
 
2022-09-27 4:23:44 AM  
So, we've gone from an underground railroad to a sky-high railroad?
 
2022-09-27 7:05:07 AM  

feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.


So?  They're volunteering to fly them at no cost.  No where does it say anything about sharing expenses.
 
2022-09-27 7:20:14 AM  
And there's nothing the GOP can do to stop it.
I'm sure they're ok with being openly challenged and ignored tho.
Because conservatives often tell me they "don't care" about anything liberals do.
 
2022-09-27 7:21:47 AM  

WickerNipple: feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.

So?  They're volunteering to fly them at no cost.  No where does it say anything about sharing expenses.


I know, it's a real complex undertaking.  Almost as complex as a table of 5 splitting a lunch ticket.
 
2022-09-27 7:22:16 AM  

feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.


Nowhere does it say they're charging people for flights.
 
2022-09-27 7:22:33 AM  

feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.


No it's not.
Are you high or something?
 
2022-09-27 7:22:47 AM  

feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.


It sucks but martyrs for the cause are just more damage to them.

Every pro-life asshole I have dealt with got real quiet when I mentioned John Salvi or George Tiller.
 
2022-09-27 7:24:17 AM  

Weaver95: feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.

No it's not.
Are you high or something?


Just a troll living up to its user name.
 
2022-09-27 7:27:27 AM  
I wonder what country subby is hallucinating about?

Give us some examples
 
2022-09-27 7:29:41 AM  
GOP to legalize shooting at planes.
 
2022-09-27 7:29:43 AM  

Murkanen: Weaver95: feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.

No it's not.
Are you high or something?

Just a troll living up to its user name.


Fecking will spend days defending the use of taxpayer money to fly legal immigrants around the country on a cruelty promotional tour but has deeply help objections about private individuals spending their money to defend rights they consider essential.
 
2022-09-27 7:33:31 AM  
Did any of those idiotic state measures pass where people transporting abortion patients could be charged with murder? What about the equally idiotic $10,000 bounty measures?
 
2022-09-27 7:35:43 AM  

feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.


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2022-09-27 7:36:06 AM  
Does the national guard have anti aircraft weapons and can the governor order them to shoot down a plane?
 
2022-09-27 7:36:41 AM  

Weaver95: And there's nothing the GOP can do to stop it.
I'm sure they're ok with being openly challenged and ignored tho.
Because conservatives often tell me they "don't care" about anything liberals do.


Oh yeah they will try. If they don't have it now, they will pass a new law to outlaw the pilots. They will be called "No Fly States".
 
2022-09-27 7:39:37 AM  

Stoker: Weaver95: And there's nothing the GOP can do to stop it.
I'm sure they're ok with being openly challenged and ignored tho.
Because conservatives often tell me they "don't care" about anything liberals do.

Oh yeah they will try. If they don't have it now, they will pass a new law to outlaw the pilots. They will be called "No Fly States".


But most of these are already Fly Over states.
 
2022-09-27 7:40:20 AM  
Wow. Just wow. This thread never stood a chance against the "give up without a fight" crowd showing up.
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The president of Bolivia recently tapped into the winds that are changing.

2022 is the year of the cultural Revolution
 
2022-09-27 7:41:25 AM  
Elevated Access has had 1,300 people reach out by phone and text to ask how to help or to seek help.
"Of those, 840 are pilots who want to volunteer, which is kind of incredible," Fiona told the Capital Sun.


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2022-09-27 7:45:14 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Elevated Access has had 1,300 people reach out by phone and text to ask how to help or to seek help.
"Of those, 840 are pilots who want to volunteer, which is kind of incredible," Fiona told the Capital Sun.

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Did you digitally age Jim Jordan?
 
2022-09-27 7:47:56 AM  

fragMasterFlash: That's all well and good until creepy freepers convince some gal to claim that she is in need of the pilots services only to have him met at the airport by a bunch of axe handle swinging redneck assholes.


Airports are quite secure post 9/11.  You need an access key card to get in and they have substantial surveillance of the facility.
They would have to ambush the pilot at his or her house.
I do find it hard to believe the GQP is going all fascist over abortion, it's entirely pointless for so many reasons.  The scary thing is that they know and acknowledge that, it's about being a fascist and forcing others at gunpoint to commit crimes against humanity.  Like kid concentration camps, torture and detention without trial, and forcing health care providers to watch pregnant women die of treatable problems in pregnancy or birth.
And you thought Mississippi and Texas' public health was bad before overturning Roe, get ready for the mass graveyard.
 
2022-09-27 7:51:59 AM  
Sigh.
 
2022-09-27 7:54:28 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Did any of those idiotic state measures pass where people transporting abortion patients could be charged with murder? What about the equally idiotic $10,000 bounty measures?


Window dressing. Someone will be a test case, the ACLU will come in on their side and the whole house of cards will fall down.
 
2022-09-27 7:54:39 AM  

Northern: fragMasterFlash: That's all well and good until creepy freepers convince some gal to claim that she is in need of the pilots services only to have him met at the airport by a bunch of axe handle swinging redneck assholes.

Airports are quite secure post 9/11.  You need an access key card to get in and they have substantial surveillance of the facility.
They would have to ambush the pilot at his or her house.
I do find it hard to believe the GQP is going all fascist over abortion, it's entirely pointless for so many reasons.  The scary thing is that they know and acknowledge that, it's about being a fascist and forcing others at gunpoint to commit crimes against humanity.  Like kid concentration camps, torture and detention without trial, and forcing health care providers to watch pregnant women die of treatable problems in pregnancy or birth.
And you thought Mississippi and Texas' public health was bad before overturning Roe, get ready for the mass graveyard.


All they need is one man with a clipboard and a single police officer. They will find a way to ground plane and then store it somewhere unsecured. While the paperwork is worked out the plane will be vandalized to scrap
 
2022-09-27 7:55:49 AM  
Northern:I do find it hard to believe the GQP is going all fascist over abortion

Why? It's exactly what they've been saying they want to do for decades.
 
2022-09-27 7:56:27 AM  

Flowery Twats: Ragin' Asian: Did any of those idiotic state measures pass where people transporting abortion patients could be charged with murder? What about the equally idiotic $10,000 bounty measures?

Window dressing. Someone will be a test case, the ACLU will come in on their side and the whole house of cards will fall down.


Assuming the judge involved isn't a Federalist Society radical.
 
2022-09-27 7:57:08 AM  

Northern: Airports are quite secure post 9/11.


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2022-09-27 7:59:48 AM  

feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.


Nevertheless, they will be successful in helping women get the healthcare that they need.
 
2022-09-27 8:00:42 AM  

Stoker: Weaver95: And there's nothing the GOP can do to stop it.
I'm sure they're ok with being openly challenged and ignored tho.
Because conservatives often tell me they "don't care" about anything liberals do.

Oh yeah they will try. If they don't have it now, they will pass a new law to outlaw the pilots. They will be called "No Fly States".


It would destroy civilian aviation.
Good luck with that!
 
2022-09-27 8:04:07 AM  
You all need to learn from history. Bullies are cowards deep down inside. I know this from personal experience.  I fended off several assault attempts. I have black hair. I look Métis. I'm very slight, I'm old, skinny as a rail and I limp. I limp because of the extreme abuse I was subjected to as a kid that caused permanent spinal damage.

But in my adult life nobody f*cks with me. I learned to defend myself without ever calling the cops. Cops are not our friend. I learned that decades ago.

I also learned that when you defend yourself from a would be attacker, and this happened as recently as 2021, they're bluffing when they say they're going to call the cops.

Why? Because they'd have to explain what they were doing and they don't want to do that.

What I'm saying is stop finding the cloud in every situation. My grandmother was a suffragette. Getting the right to vote was not neat it was not clean. It was not simply women wearing white gear marching in straight lines. There was plenty of swarm g and beating up women. But when they added together and fought back the cops faced the fury of a thousand suns. She told me some hair raising stories.

The right wing is counting on you all not to fight back. They're counting on you to feel nothing but despair. They want nothing but for you to give up.

Trust me, Team Fat Roll is not prepared for the fight they're going to get.
 
2022-09-27 8:04:17 AM  

Weaver95: It would destroy civilian aviation.
Good luck with that!


They're not very good at understanding consequences.
 
2022-09-27 8:09:42 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Did any of those idiotic state measures pass where people transporting abortion patients could be charged with murder? What about the equally idiotic $10,000 bounty measures?


I don't recall any states passing travel laws, and I don't think the bounty system has actually been used yet. I'd hsay they're scared to pull the trigger on it, but that hasn't stopped them anywhere else so IDK.

Regarding legality of splitting the funding on running the plane, seems to me a gofundme for fuel to keep pilot's license hours might be a workaround?
 
2022-09-27 8:13:12 AM  

WickerNipple: Murkanen: Weaver95: feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.

No it's not.
Are you high or something?

Just a troll living up to its user name.

Fecking will spend days defending the use of taxpayer money to fly legal immigrants around the country on a cruelty promotional tour but has deeply help objections about private individuals spending their money to defend rights they consider essential.


And if well intentioned people (such as you) would stop quoting fecking, those of us who have him blocked would spared his drivel.

Just block him and move on. Please.
 
2022-09-27 8:17:41 AM  
A lot of them may be coming to MA for them.

The legislation is designed to insulate providers and patients who receive abortion care here in Massachusetts - where the procedure is already enshrined into state law - from criminal prosecution and lawsuits from extraterritorial jurisdiction tied to states like Texas. If that right is violated in Massachusetts, providers and patients have the ability to countersue.

It also creates a standing order enabling pharmacists to dispense emergency contraception, and will soon require public colleges and universities to provide medication abortion at their on-campus health centers. Insurance providers must cover abortion or abortion-related care without imposing deductibles, copayments or other cost-sharing requirements.
 
2022-09-27 8:22:28 AM  

SpectroBoy: Just block him and move on. Please.


No.  Block me instead.
 
2022-09-27 8:55:20 AM  

WickerNipple: Murkanen: Weaver95: feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.

No it's not.
Are you high or something?

Just a troll living up to its user name.

Fecking will spend days defending the use of taxpayer money to fly legal immigrants around the country on a cruelty promotional tour but has deeply help objections about private individuals spending their money to defend rights they consider essential.


People can spend their money as they wish.   I simply posted the cost of these flights to illustrated how dedicated these pilots were to their mission.

Not quite sure why the great unhinged on here would get all worked up about it.
 
2022-09-27 8:56:22 AM  

feckingmorons: That looks like a Piper 28, it costs about $250/hr (with fuel about 7.00/gal).   People who aren't commercial pilots can't be paid to fly, even sharing expenses is a complex undertaking.


Sharing expenses is easy, split the cost down the middle. However most pilots I know won't give a shiat and will just book it done. The flight time is the pay, anything else is a bonus.

Also it's not $250/hr except to some pencil sharpening twit who is trying to include absolutely everything into a 100hr time frame. You never do that because you are never at 100hrs except for one brief second. You're just going to split the cost of gas/oil and maybe fees... IF THAT IN THIS CASE.

Depending on what they do, they might be able to get the organization under charity. At that point the entire cost is deductible just like Angel Flight or Pilots 'n Paws.

The actual cost with 100LL except as noted:
PA28 = about $90/hr @ $7/gal
C172 = about $90/hr @ $7/gal
PA32 =  about $130/hr @ $7/gal (a bit more for a retractable like the the Lance or Saratoga SP or a turbo)
Bonanza 35 or 36 = $150/hr @ $7/gal
Twins = about $275-$350 / hr @ @ $7/gal (high variability, could be more)
TBM940 = $600/hr @ $6/gal for JetA

ecmoRandomNumbers: fragMasterFlash: That's all well and good until creepy freepers convince some gal to claim that she is in need of the pilots services only to have him met at the airport by a bunch of axe handle swinging redneck assholes.

Or kidnap them to a state where they'll be prosecuted out of their jurisdiction.


1) On average we're in far better shape than the average redneck American or we wouldn't get a medical.

2) We're the last people they want to f**k with legally. We have the ability to own/fly airplanes, something that the .1% has reduced to a small portion of the population by decoupling wages from productivity. We have money. We have lawyers. We also tend to know people "in power" per se. Ask the CBP / DEA agents what happened when they started hassling pilots. Wasn't pretty for them, and those were feds with a lot more power than state yokels.
 
2022-09-27 9:00:37 AM  

feckingmorons: great unhinged


Read that as good people who are rightfully fighting for the rights of women's bodily autonomy.
 
2022-09-27 9:08:03 AM  

NuclearPenguins: feckingmorons: great unhinged

Read that as good people who are rightfully fighting for the rights of women's bodily autonomy.


So if the baby is a woman it has bodily autonomy but not if the baby is a boy?
 
2022-09-27 9:09:08 AM  

feckingmorons: NuclearPenguins: feckingmorons: great unhinged

Read that as good people who are rightfully fighting for the rights of women's bodily autonomy.

So if the baby is a woman it has bodily autonomy but not if the baby is a boy?


It's a not a baby.  It's a fetus.
 
2022-09-27 9:09:54 AM  

inglixthemad: Sharing expenses is easy, split the cost down the middle.


https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-142.pdf
 
2022-09-27 9:12:40 AM  

educated: That's badass and I wish the organization all the best, but ideally, I'd like their business model to be unnecessary.


This.

American problems are mostly solved abroad.  It's just a matter of making the government do it
 
2022-09-27 9:16:17 AM  

feckingmorons: inglixthemad: Sharing expenses is easy, split the cost down the middle.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-142.pdf


You didn't actually read any of that, did you?
 
2022-09-27 9:20:31 AM  

Weaver95: feckingmorons: inglixthemad: Sharing expenses is easy, split the cost down the middle.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-142.pdf

You didn't actually read any of that, did you?


Almost every link fecking posts undermines what he's saying.  He either assumes other people think he knows what he's talking about so they won't bother or he's incapable of understanding them.
 
2022-09-27 9:21:51 AM  
Regardless it's a red herring.  The people in the article aren't asking for money.  Like practically every fecking post it exists purely to muddy the waters and distract from the issue.
 
2022-09-27 9:24:00 AM  
It's like the Berlin Airlift, but in reverse!
 
2022-09-27 9:36:45 AM  

feckingmorons: inglixthemad: Sharing expenses is easy, split the cost down the middle.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_61-142.pdf


LOL don't try to school me on the legality of anything regarding aircraft...

I might be a tech consultant but I've probably been a pilot for longer than you have been alive.
Commercial cert.
ASEL / AMEL
IFR / High Altitude / High Performance / Turbine plus lots of signoffs for little things like tailwheel, DC3, and more.

I own / co-own two aircraft:

Cherokee Six 300
Socata TBM930

Don't even think you can try to bullshiat with me about flying, flight regulations, or the costs of flying.
I fly for charity groups like Angel Flight and Pilots 'n Paws.
 
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