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(Some Guy)   "Artificial-intelligence art" is an oxymoron   (commonsense.news) divider line
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2022-09-26 10:41:28 PM  
"Artificial-intelligence art"

One could argue that the person who selects that one image out of the endless stream of images that the AI is generating is the artist.

One could argue that the person who wrote the AI code is the artist.
 
2022-09-27 12:37:56 AM  
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2022-09-27 12:47:44 AM  
Huh, the folks who insist anything can be art, and it's up to the beholder, and it doesn't matter if it looks like a child could have made it are walking it back now they might not be able to profit?
 
2022-09-27 12:58:48 AM  

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here's some "Artificial Intelligence Art" generated by the beta version of Dall-e:
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Also, very interesting video on the subject:

Is This The Death of VFX?
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/the # of artists that will be able to earn themselves a living doing their craft is bound to get smaller and smaller as time goes on.
 
2022-09-27 1:01:59 AM  
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Say what you want, this picture of Jesus In Drag With What May Be His Wanger Out drawn in the style of Egon Schiele looks like art to me.  No, I didn't ask it to do that.

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Also, I thought this picture of the Big J was pretty dang good.

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Is it art?  Sure.  Why not.
 
2022-09-27 1:08:31 AM  
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Then what is art?


There. Now like half the artists out there will be occupied untangling that for a few months.

For real though, I do feel for artists likely to see their commission work dip from all this. I suppose these kinds of rants might be necessary, but to me they mostly look like screaming into the void over something we can't really put back in the box.
I'd probably be going through many of the same thoughts, but also spending some compute time running textual inversion on my own works if I had any, in order to potentially speed up my own workflow. It's spooky how good it is at finding common stylistic elements and generalizing them for other types of outputs, and unlike previous models, we have a lot of tools available for training SD into something more personal. I reckon I'm not the only one having that idea right about now.
 
2022-09-27 1:12:15 AM  
I don't particularly care. The AI ultimately relies on copying human art styles. If you replace normal artists with all AI artists the AI will only iterate on itself and ultimately generate something no one has much commercial interest in.
 
2022-09-27 1:13:28 AM  
Even highly derivative art contains unique gifts from its creator. AI art cannot do that with any meaning as they have no emotional connections to their environment.

It will never be unique because it's only doing what it was shown or derived from what it has been fed.
 
2022-09-27 1:31:17 AM  
An A.I. made this image for me.
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This is clearly art.
 
2022-09-27 1:33:55 AM  
VFX artists are already using AI-Generation to assist in their craft. Photobashing, specifically, has benefitted enormously from this. 

The OP article, and similar comments show how limited their perception of this new tool actually is. I've been experimenting with Stable Diffusion for about a month now, and can say with certainty that the author of the OP is judging a new medium by a single piece of the puzzle. With a heavy focus on DALL-E, they only see it through the window of Text2IMG prompt generation at the bottom of the entry level.

Notably, DALL-E 2 is a closed platform solution. The open-source approach has already heavily shifted the new medium substantially, and if the author wasn't just chasing trends with contrarian "hot takes" they'd know this. There isn't even a mention of inpainting/outpainting which completely changes the whole concept of image generation. Add in a graphic design program, some strategic masking, and a touch of upscaling, and you get something completely different than what the author depicts.

"The mind's eye watches from a deeper place, intuitive and ancient, and it will bear queasy witness to the truth that artificial art is merely that. "

If the author spent a little less time trying to sound deep, and a little more time understanding that they were judging a tool in a toolbox by the "doodles" of the masses, then they'd know how much of a technophobic boomer they are.
 
2022-09-27 1:44:38 AM  
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And fwiw, I just think it's neat. I bet that's most of what most think about the whole mess. I don't forsee many in my corner suddenly jumping at the chance to compete with people who've spent decades getting a sense for their medium of choice. For that matter, you can direct the output far more strongly than I could hope to without spending a lot of time getting good at drawing (or at least constructing a set to take pictures of for img2img.)
 
2022-09-27 2:05:28 AM  
It's only art if money laundering is involved.
 
2022-09-27 2:09:29 AM  
Not visual art but dougdoug has been experimenting with ai story generation in his YouTube videos and it shows the current limitations of ai understanding. It's an interesting and humorous watch if anyone has the time.
 
2022-09-27 2:10:15 AM  

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And fwiw, I just think it's neat. I bet that's most of what most think about the whole mess. I don't forsee many in my corner suddenly jumping at the chance to compete with people who've spent decades getting a sense for their medium of choice. For that matter, you can direct the output far more strongly than I could hope to without spending a lot of time getting good at drawing (or at least constructing a set to take pictures of for img2img.)


I like that picture.
 
2022-09-27 4:59:57 AM  
eh, as someone who could never draw but always had ideas i'd like to get out, i love it. This just reeks of elitist snobbery. The same kind of biatching that artists whinged about when the camera was invented because photographers could capture real life more accurately than they ever could. Oh and photographers capture hundreds of images and only show off the good ones, I guess that means no photographer can ever be an artist.
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2022-09-27 5:28:22 AM  
Is it art or not?  How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
 
2022-09-27 5:57:36 AM  

yohohogreengiant: fark off already.

You're scared you (or the artists you're into) will be replaced by silicon.

Welcome to the crowd buddy


fark off, you think prompting is an art. You probably also imagine current AI is some brain-like magic rather than some matrix multiply and sigmoid functions.
 
2022-09-27 5:59:35 AM  

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Say what you want, this picture of Jesus In Drag With What May Be His Wanger Out drawn in the style of Egon Schiele looks like art to me.  No, I didn't ask it to do that.

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Also, I thought this picture of the Big J was pretty dang good.

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Is it art?  Sure.  Why not.


Sure, it's art and the artist is the person who created the training data. Most of the time "prompters" acknowledge this and put artist names in the prompt.
 
2022-09-27 6:01:43 AM  

assjuice: yohohogreengiant: fark off already.

You're scared you (or the artists you're into) will be replaced by silicon.

Welcome to the crowd buddy

fark off, you think prompting is an art. You probably also imagine current AI is some brain-like magic rather than some matrix multiply and sigmoid functions.


define art.
 
2022-09-27 7:07:20 AM  

replacementcool: The same kind of biatching that artists whinged about when the camera was invented because photographers could capture real life more accurately than they ever could. Oh and photographers capture hundreds of images and only show off the good ones, I guess that means no photographer can ever be an artist.


Corbow6: The OP article, and similar comments show how limited their perception of this new tool actually is. I've been experimenting with Stable Diffusion for about a month now, and can say with certainty that the author of the OP is judging a new medium by a single piece of the puzzle. With a heavy focus on DALL-E, they only see it through the window of Text2IMG prompt generation at the bottom of the entry level.

Notably, DALL-E 2 is a closed platform solution. The open-source approach has already heavily shifted the new medium substantially, and if the author wasn't just chasing trends with contrarian "hot takes" they'd know this. There isn't even a mention of inpainting/outpainting which completely changes the whole concept of image generation. Add in a graphic design program, some strategic masking, and a touch of upscaling, and you get something completely different than what the author depicts.


I guess I see AI created art as something similar to photography.  The pictures see on /r/earthporn all have filters and masks applied to make the esthetically pleasing.  That takes skill and along with having an eye to identify good subject maters is what makes photography an art.  Learning good prompts and knowing how to clean up the output makes AI generated art art.
 
2022-09-27 7:16:33 AM  

PerpetualPeristalsis: Is it art or not?  How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?


Two.

/ the others aren't very good at it
 
2022-09-27 7:49:54 AM  
The fact that it can only give you exactly what you asked it for already diminishes it beneath "art."

As a picture generator, it's great. As art, it is a great picture generator.
 
2022-09-27 7:53:22 AM  
I read a lot of that article without the author even approaching a point. I'm not gonna keep going to see if he ever arrives at one.
 
2022-09-27 8:01:07 AM  

assjuice: yohohogreengiant: fark off already.

You're scared you (or the artists you're into) will be replaced by silicon.

Welcome to the crowd buddy

fark off, you think prompting is an art. You probably also imagine current AI is some brain-like magic rather than some matrix multiply and sigmoid functions.


My takeaway here is that most "artists" can safely be replaced by matrix multiplication.
 
2022-09-27 8:19:31 AM  
It's not art until the AI tells you that you couldn't possibly understand the meaning behind it while you view it.
 
2022-09-27 8:24:52 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: assjuice: yohohogreengiant: fark off already.

You're scared you (or the artists you're into) will be replaced by silicon.

Welcome to the crowd buddy

fark off, you think prompting is an art. You probably also imagine current AI is some brain-like magic rather than some matrix multiply and sigmoid functions.

My takeaway here is that most "artists" can safely be replaced by matrix multiplication.


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2022-09-27 8:32:48 AM  

Michael J Faux: The fact that it can only give you exactly what you asked it for already diminishes it beneath "art."

As a picture generator, it's great. As art, it is a great picture generator.


For some commercial ends, a great picture generator will be enough hence the menace part. Especially if that drives down costs.
 
2022-09-27 9:35:50 AM  
Weak thesis is weak, dips his toe in the Chuck-e-Cheeze of AI DALL-E for half an hour and he's got it all figured out.
the "take risks", creativity, coherence of image are literally just command-line parameters
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midjourney: detailed photo-realistic photo of a crow's intuitive face --testp --s 1300 --ar 2:5
 
2022-09-27 10:34:39 AM  

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DALL-E 2, "Artificial-intelligence art" is an oxymoron:

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2022-09-27 12:37:57 PM  
"Picasso style dramatic acrylic painting of a confused young man crafting the perfect tinder bio on his phone" made on DALL-E via Reddit

TFA is an idiot. The very first thing you see on the link is art. If no one told you a computer made that you probably would have never guessed that. Would TFA disagree that Pinocchio would have been an artist if he could? Was not the story of machine becoming man not itself a work of art? And what of the timeless struggle of ametuer becoming master as a lesson in time?

In the end, it doesn't matter who the author was or how he felt when composing his work, it's all about how the piece is appreciated by the observer. Andy Warhol out front shoulda told ya.

/Warhol would have hated DALL-E
//over-reliance on composition fractals
 
2022-09-27 5:58:18 PM  

no icon tact: Weak thesis is weak, dips his toe in the Chuck-e-Cheeze of AI DALL-E for half an hour and he's got it all figured out.
the "take risks", creativity, coherence of image are literally just command-line parameters
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No.

As luck would have it. I just digitally sculpted and painted some crows for a CG show last month.

I do this stuff professionally--on paper, on canvas, on the computer--and I'm not worried about the great replacement.  Human beings will continue to value what human beings create. If) your art is easily replaceable then it says a lot about your art, the audience you're showing it to, etc.  The other art/design professionals I work with who want to hop on the AI bandwagon tend to not have invested in their drawing/painting chops anyway.
 
2022-09-27 6:35:53 PM  

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And fwiw, I just think it's neat. I bet that's most of what most think about the whole mess. I don't forsee many in my corner suddenly jumping at the chance to compete with people who've spent decades getting a sense for their medium of choice. For that matter, you can direct the output far more strongly than I could hope to without spending a lot of time getting good at drawing (or at least constructing a set to take pictures of for img2img.)

I like that picture.


So do I. You have good taste.
 
2022-09-27 7:20:19 PM  

replacementcool: assjuice: yohohogreengiant: fark off already.

You're scared you (or the artists you're into) will be replaced by silicon.

Welcome to the crowd buddy

fark off, you think prompting is an art. You probably also imagine current AI is some brain-like magic rather than some matrix multiply and sigmoid functions.

define art.


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2022-09-27 9:20:11 PM  

Nullav: RedVentrue: Nullav: [Fark user image image 512x1024]
And fwiw, I just think it's neat. I bet that's most of what most think about the whole mess. I don't forsee many in my corner suddenly jumping at the chance to compete with people who've spent decades getting a sense for their medium of choice. For that matter, you can direct the output far more strongly than I could hope to without spending a lot of time getting good at drawing (or at least constructing a set to take pictures of for img2img.)

I like that picture.

So do I. You have good taste.


Thank you.
 
2022-09-28 11:10:30 AM  
Artificial intelligence does just decide it wants to create art. Not yet. Right now it's basically a really sophisticated paintbrush.
 
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