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(Vox)   39 years ago today, Stanislav Petrov saved the world   (vox.com) divider line
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2022-09-26 1:54:58 PM  
that was nice of him
 
2022-09-26 1:57:08 PM  
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2022-09-26 1:57:47 PM  
Thank you Doctor Petrov!
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2022-09-26 1:57:57 PM  
Anyone else think he would've done us a solid if he'd hit the "Reply All" button on that computer?
 
2022-09-26 2:01:30 PM  

gameshowhost: that was nice of him

Looks around


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2022-09-26 2:02:34 PM  
Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.
 
2022-09-26 2:03:30 PM  
And right now hes probably saying "I should have just pushed the farking button"
 
2022-09-26 2:05:08 PM  

hammettman: Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.


Welcome to nuclear weapons, it's frankly amazing we haven't blown each other up yet.  Especially when you read the chickenhawks who wanted the US to go to war with Russia over Ukraine.
 
2022-09-26 2:06:20 PM  

Theeng: hammettman: Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.

Welcome to nuclear weapons, it's frankly amazing we haven't blown each other up yet.  Especially when you read the chickenhawks who wanted the US to go to war with Russia over Ukraine.


Don't knock chickenhawk until you've tried it in BBQ
 
2022-09-26 2:06:28 PM  
Able Archer 1983 isn't the only time that this happened. Over the 5 decades of the Cold War...there are at least 6 instances were one person saved the whole world.

/ that's not even going into all the times one side or the other lost a nuke.
 
2022-09-26 2:08:10 PM  

shinji3i: gameshowhost: that was nice of him

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2022-09-26 2:09:58 PM  
He should have pressed it. No world is far preferable to a flawed one. Also, let's get some big strong daddy types who have all the answers and can never be questioned leading us. Confidence is far more important than compassion.
 
2022-09-26 2:11:03 PM  
dirty commie
 
2022-09-26 2:11:35 PM  

iheartscotch: Able Archer 1983 isn't the only time that this happened. Over the 5 decades of the Cold War...there are at least 6 instances were one person saved the whole world.

/ that's not even going into all the times one side or the other lost a nuke.


We've been flirting with absolute disaster for so long, I still can't believe we haven't destroyed ourselves.

If we destroy ourselves, nothing anyone ever did matters.  Human existence becomes an indistinguishable blip and fades to nothing.
 
2022-09-26 2:13:14 PM  

hammettman: Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.


We don't know that he wasn't drunk or hung over or surly..That's sort of the default for Russians..
All at the same time..

/vodak
 
2022-09-26 2:13:47 PM  
What happens when the missiles are real?

They could be any second now.
 
2022-09-26 2:15:07 PM  

Hinged: What happens when the missiles are real?

They could be any second now.


If you live next to a military base you dont need to worry about that because you wont even know anything happened
 
2022-09-26 2:17:05 PM  
Petrov - This is all very unnerving, Captain. The reason for having two missile keys is so that no one man may...
Ramius - May what, Doctor?
Petrov - Refuse to launch the missiles, sir!

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2022-09-26 2:18:31 PM  
The Okhost system had a flaw where it detected sunlight reflection as a missile launch. They wouldn't figure this (and the fix) out for years. So it's quite likely that whenever NATO readiness exercises were being carried out, such as Able Archer in November, they were getting false alarms.

Another fun fact: they couldn't praise him, in fact they wanted to punish him for cancelling the alert. He broke protocol, it wasn't his call to make. He was supposed to follow his orders, like the pilot that shot down KAL007 a few weeks before this occurred.

Overall we got quite lucky.
 
2022-09-26 2:20:29 PM  

LeftisRightisWrong: The Okhost system had a flaw where it detected sunlight reflection as a missile launch. They wouldn't figure this (and the fix) out for years. So it's quite likely that whenever NATO readiness exercises were being carried out, such as Able Archer in November, they were getting false alarms.

Another fun fact: they couldn't praise him, in fact they wanted to punish him for cancelling the alert. He broke protocol, it wasn't his call to make. He was supposed to follow his orders, like the pilot that shot down KAL007 a few weeks before this occurred.

Overall we got quite lucky.


Correction, it was called the Oko, Okhotsk is a sea
 
2022-09-26 2:20:46 PM  

Mr. Shabooboo: hammettman: Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.

We don't know that he wasn't drunk or hung over or surly..That's sort of the default for Russians..
All at the same time..

/vodak


We can't destroy the world until my headache goes away, Ivan! I won't be able to enjoy it!
 
2022-09-26 2:23:26 PM  

hammettman: Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.


But then we'd end of with single payer healthcare.  And we can't have that. And God forbid religion be against the law.
 
2022-09-26 2:27:57 PM  

LeftisRightisWrong: LeftisRightisWrong: The Okhost system had a flaw where it detected sunlight reflection as a missile launch. They wouldn't figure this (and the fix) out for years. So it's quite likely that whenever NATO readiness exercises were being carried out, such as Able Archer in November, they were getting false alarms.

Another fun fact: they couldn't praise him, in fact they wanted to punish him for cancelling the alert. He broke protocol, it wasn't his call to make. He was supposed to follow his orders, like the pilot that shot down KAL007 a few weeks before this occurred.

Overall we got quite lucky.

Correction, it was called the Oko, Okhotsk is a sea


No. Oakhurst is a town in New Jersey.
 
2022-09-26 2:34:29 PM  

Concrete Donkey: Hinged: What happens when the missiles are real?

They could be any second now.

If you live next to a military base you dont need to worry about that because you wont even know anything happened


Yeah, Houston isn't near any military base but... there's the Port of Houston (#3 or #4 in size), the oil refinery capital of Texas and NASA.

That's right.  I wouldn't even know anything happened.
 
2022-09-26 2:37:18 PM  
...and invented the Petrov Defense.
 
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2022-09-26 2:38:41 PM  

Concrete Donkey: And right now hes probably saying "I should have just pushed the farking button"


Right now I think he'd be saying is "мозги"
 
2022-09-26 2:39:31 PM  
How old is he now?

USSR fell 30 years ago and I'm surprised that so many former Communist officials are still living.
 
2022-09-26 2:40:33 PM  
Now nobody cares.  Oh yeah nukes, it'll never happen.

Let's do nuclear power!
 
2022-09-26 2:48:28 PM  
This story again.  Is it that time of the month already?
 
2022-09-26 2:48:39 PM  

aungen: iheartscotch: Able Archer 1983 isn't the only time that this happened. Over the 5 decades of the Cold War...there are at least 6 instances were one person saved the whole world.

/ that's not even going into all the times one side or the other lost a nuke.

We've been flirting with absolute disaster for so long, I still can't believe we haven't destroyed ourselves.

If we destroy ourselves, nothing anyone ever did matters.  Human existence becomes an indistinguishable blip and fades to nothing.


The world will keep turning and another sentient race evolved from cockroaches or kangaroo rats will eventually replace us and kill themselves off before the sun becomes a red giant and consumes the Earth.
 
2022-09-26 2:54:16 PM  

Thoreny: How old is he now?

USSR fell 30 years ago and I'm surprised that so many former Communist officials are still living.


He died in 2017.

I've sometimes thought that in the fantastically unlikely event I ever visit Russia, I'll visit his grave and leave flowers on it.
 
2022-09-26 2:56:05 PM  
On the one hand, I do understand the sentiments offered above, no doubt formed in hindsight, that it would've been better to just get it over with.  Snuff humanity out before it does anymore damage to the earth, get evolution started on whatever lifeforms are going to crawl out of the slime to populate the new world.

The thing is, not all of humanity would've perished.  In fact, probably the worst of humanity would survive.  By '83, Ollie North had been in the basement long enough to rewrite USA's Doomsday Plan and in fact, the defense posture of the US was geared toward the idea that a nuclear war was winnable.

That son'biatch Reagan would've survived.  He, and probably Al Haig, Rumsfeld, would've been in the bunker.  The bunker for congress was not so instantly reachable.  And what are all the main targets for Russian missiles, which at that time had a higher probably of actually hitting said target?  Mostly cities.  Cities, where mostly liberals live, because we like civilization.   The farking backwoods rednecks would've been spared.  Reagan and his cronies would've been spared.  Congress?  Toast.

The US would've become an autocracy, with Reagan ruling, unchecked.  A country populated by right-wing stooges.

And, I would've missed the 80s and 90s, which probably was the best time of my life.
 
2022-09-26 3:02:39 PM  

hammettman: That son'biatch Reagan would've survived.  He, and probably Al Haig, Rumsfeld, would've been in the bunker.  The bunker for congress was not so instantly reachable.  And what are all the main targets for Russian missiles, which at that time had a higher probably of actually hitting said target?  Mostly cities.  Cities, where mostly liberals live, because we like civilization.   The farking backwoods rednecks would've been spared.  Reagan and his cronies would've been spared.  Congress?  Toast.

The US would've become an autocracy, with Reagan ruling, unchecked.  A country populated by right-wing stooges.

And, I would've missed the 80s and 90s, which probably was the best time of my life.


But.
Okay.
What if that was good? Hear me out.
What does that mean. The US annex Cuba and Mexico? Or does the rest of the world take out the USSR and Nazi America?

/
I always think we should have let the South walk. They would be a barrier between Mexico and the Union.  The Confederacy would probably try to enslave Mexicans and gotten annexed?
 
2022-09-26 3:07:02 PM  
FTA:

"Petrov prevented a nuclear war between the Soviets, who had 35,804 nuclear warheads in 1983, and the US, which had 23,305."

Isn't the important statistic how many silos each has?
 
2022-09-26 3:10:23 PM  
99 Red Balloons...
 
2022-09-26 3:10:45 PM  

kpaxoid: FTA:

"Petrov prevented a nuclear war between the Soviets, who had 35,804 nuclear warheads in 1983, and the US, which had 23,305."

Isn't the important statistic how many silos each has?


Silo, ain't nobody got time for that

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2022-09-26 3:12:03 PM  
Ftfa: Fail to react, and the world may see that a nuclear arsenal can be used as unbeatable cover for aggressive military action. React in turn, and no one knows how Putin might respond

and that right there is why you hope you never get a leader of a nuclear power who decides to gamble the life of every person on the planet as a shield for conquest.

Ah. Crapola.
 
2022-09-26 3:14:17 PM  

hammettman: On the one hand, I do understand the sentiments offered above, no doubt formed in hindsight, that it would've been better to just get it over with.  Snuff humanity out before it does anymore damage to the earth, get evolution started on whatever lifeforms are going to crawl out of the slime to populate the new world.

The thing is, not all of humanity would've perished.  In fact, probably the worst of humanity would survive.  By '83, Ollie North had been in the basement long enough to rewrite USA's Doomsday Plan and in fact, the defense posture of the US was geared toward the idea that a nuclear war was winnable.

That son'biatch Reagan would've survived.  He, and probably Al Haig, Rumsfeld, would've been in the bunker.  The bunker for congress was not so instantly reachable.  And what are all the main targets for Russian missiles, which at that time had a higher probably of actually hitting said target?  Mostly cities.  Cities, where mostly liberals live, because we like civilization.   The farking backwoods rednecks would've been spared.  Reagan and his cronies would've been spared.  Congress?  Toast.

The US would've become an autocracy, with Reagan ruling, unchecked.  A country populated by right-wing stooges.

And, I would've missed the 80s and 90s, which probably was the best time of my life.


But now, the Commies have taken over Reagan's party.  What's the chances he'd push the button if he was armed with this knowledge?
 
2022-09-26 3:19:13 PM  
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2022-09-26 3:35:11 PM  

hammettman: Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.


OK, so propose a way for that to happen that is consistent with reality.
 
2022-09-26 3:37:40 PM  

Theeng: hammettman: Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.

Welcome to nuclear weapons, it's frankly amazing we haven't blown each other up yet.  Especially when you read the chickenhawks who wanted the US to go to war with Russia over Ukraine.


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2022-09-26 3:40:11 PM  
I am glad somebody remembers Petrov and does him honour because Russian Commie Bastards never will. Pack of Stalinists and fellow travellers.

Let us now praise Petrov. Some of us would be dead, mutated or unborn without him and such responsible persons who take chances on critical thinking in a mad, bad, sad, Putin-Trump, Xi said, he said world.
 
2022-09-26 3:40:31 PM  

Halfabee64: aungen: iheartscotch: Able Archer 1983 isn't the only time that this happened. Over the 5 decades of the Cold War...there are at least 6 instances were one person saved the whole world.

/ that's not even going into all the times one side or the other lost a nuke.

We've been flirting with absolute disaster for so long, I still can't believe we haven't destroyed ourselves.

If we destroy ourselves, nothing anyone ever did matters.  Human existence becomes an indistinguishable blip and fades to nothing.

The world will keep turning and another sentient race evolved from cockroaches or kangaroo rats will eventually replace us and kill themselves off before the sun becomes a red giant and consumes the Earth.


Yep.  That's kinda what I was referring to :)

It's my favorite thing about the solar system.  It says 'get off the plant and be better, or be meaningless for eternity.'
 
2022-09-26 3:41:06 PM  

Sum Guye: Theeng: hammettman: Comforting to know that the multi-thousand missile counter-strike was prevented by a single individual.  What if he'd been in a foul mood?  Hung over?  Out sick and replaced by some temp?

Maybe it's not such a great idea to have thousands of world destroying missiles aimed at each other.

Welcome to nuclear weapons, it's frankly amazing we haven't blown each other up yet.  Especially when you read the chickenhawks who wanted the US to go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

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Not to mention the chicken hawks who want to leave Ukraine to it's doom.
 
2022-09-26 4:15:37 PM  

Concrete Donkey: And right now hes probably saying "I should have just pushed the farking button"


Done in six.
 
2022-09-26 4:16:31 PM  
The Soviet Union's missile attack early warning system displayed, in large red letters, the word "LAUNCH"...

Let me guess, he only spoke Russian so he didn't do anything.
 
2022-09-26 4:18:04 PM  

Thoreny: How old is he now?

USSR fell 30 years ago and I'm surprised that so many former Communist officials are still living.


He's dead. Article out front could have told ya.
 
2022-09-26 4:19:10 PM  

whidbey: Now nobody cares.  Oh yeah nukes, it'll never happen.

Let's do nuclear power!


What an absolutely dimwitted statement. The design of nuclear reactors has essentially nothing to do with the design of nuclear bombs. They're basically huge steam engines powered by very hot rocks. They're gigantic and beyond heavy and everything an airborne object isn't. Contrary to a bomb they are very much designed not to explode. None of the engineering is transferable.
 
2022-09-26 4:20:17 PM  

Concrete Donkey: And right now hes probably saying "I should have just pushed the farking button"


Right now? He's not saying much. Ya know, cuz he's dead.
 
2022-09-26 4:20:47 PM  

LeftisRightisWrong: LeftisRightisWrong: The Okhost system had a flaw where it detected sunlight reflection as a missile launch. They wouldn't figure this (and the fix) out for years. So it's quite likely that whenever NATO readiness exercises were being carried out, such as Able Archer in November, they were getting false alarms.

Another fun fact: they couldn't praise him, in fact they wanted to punish him for cancelling the alert. He broke protocol, it wasn't his call to make. He was supposed to follow his orders, like the pilot that shot down KAL007 a few weeks before this occurred.

Overall we got quite lucky.

Correction, it was called the Oko, Okhotsk is a sea


But, what about the Osterhagen Project?
 
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