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2022-09-26 6:11:04 AM  
Get the tommy guns, Pinks, the little people are striking.
 
2022-09-26 6:12:11 AM  
History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes
 
2022-09-26 6:12:39 AM  
Good! Crash the economy. Sick and tired of being overworked, sick, and tired. Pay people a living wage and let them have sick days
 
2022-09-26 6:23:52 AM  

Jaws_Victim: Good! Crash the economy. Sick and tired of being overworked, sick, and tired. Pay people a living wage and let them have sick days


Why should they accept having to treat workers like humans?  Compassion?  Basic human decency?  Those doesn't make any money, they're obviously loco motives
 
2022-09-26 6:26:10 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Jaws_Victim:Those doesn't make any money, they're obviously loco motives


Ba-dum tish
 
2022-09-26 6:28:21 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Jaws_Victim: Good! Crash the economy. Sick and tired of being overworked, sick, and tired. Pay people a living wage and let them have sick days

Why should they accept having to treat workers like humans?  Compassion?  Basic human decency?  Those doesn't make any money, they're obviously loco motives


Doesn't?  Ugh - that wasn't even my bad typing this time.  Grumble text entry box
 
2022-09-26 6:29:11 AM  

RanHakubi: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: Jaws_Victim:Those doesn't make any money, they're obviously loco motives

Ba-dum tish


I'll be here all week, try the Food tab - and don't forget to tip your moderator
 
2022-09-26 6:30:21 AM  
This is why there should be workers rights laws that are blanket coverage, similar to those
in Europe. Keeping people on  call constantly, and forcing people to chose between their health
and job is nonsense.. Either hire more people and fix the problem, or expect the people
you have to walk..Hiding behind the "You need us so much for the economy that the tail can wag the dog" defense is not acceptable..If it comes down to it, Nationalize the rails..Not the railroad companies, but
the rails..Make them like toll roads..And there are conditions for use..One of them is that any company
that uses them MUST follow X rules.. Just like the way the gov funds highways and uses that as a carrot
and stick toward states.
 
2022-09-26 6:31:29 AM  
As expected, the agreement contains a cumulative 24% raise over five years as well as a yearly $1,000 signing bonus. Health care premiums will increase by 2.4%; members will pay 15% of premiums.

Not good enough, if I can't get hammered for Sunday night football and sleep it off by not showing
up for work Monday, no deal!
 
2022-09-26 6:32:38 AM  
Said it before on Fark and will undoubtedly say it again. The two best features of the Australian electoral system are (a) the existance of a Labor Party and (b) preferential (aka ranked choice) voting. It's not that we never get conservative governments, we get plenty, Labor is about on par with the success of the Democrats in the US. But when we have a Labor government we DON'T have Manchins or Sinema's farking it up because a Labor party is a collectivist party which binds its members in a vote and not a liberal party like the US Dems where splitting off has basically no consequences, and unlike the UK Labor in Oz stands a decent chance because the vote isn't SPLIT with some centrist liberal idiots like the Liberal Democrats.

In Australia a vote for a labor party delivers results for workers.

And you know what we have very few of? Strikes. Workers get respect, they get ten paid sick days per year in addition to their four weeks annual leave (or more by agreement, I'm talking about the legislated minimum here) which can be used as carers leave if needed. Also we get 10.5 per cent superannuation (ie 401K) funded by employers. That's in addition to parental leave, a relatively new thing here, but increasingly being accessed by mums and dads alike. And it hasn't crushed our economy, it hasn't made us all lazy at work. And do you know what we have really very few of? Unionised workers. I'm a former union official myself, it was hard to get workers to see the benefits of unionism, the Australian Labor Party had pretty much already cemented them in legislation.

The entire system in the US is built to crush workers. A few here and there fighting back is obviously good but essentially meaningless. Start a Labor Party, wipe out the Dems, then you might get somewhere.
 
2022-09-26 6:39:44 AM  
Yes, America desperately needs a Labor Party. Imagine the political power of something like that.
 
2022-09-26 6:40:06 AM  
Uh oh
 
2022-09-26 6:40:23 AM  
Wish reporters can find the CEOs of the railways and ask them why workers shouldn't have paid time off and ask how much the CEO has taken to golf or skip town for a few days in a cruise
 
2022-09-26 6:43:39 AM  

Aussie_As: Said it before on Fark and will undoubtedly say it again. The two best features of the Australian electoral system are (a) the existance of a Labor Party and (b) preferential (aka ranked choice) voting. It's not that we never get conservative governments, we get plenty, Labor is about on par with the success of the Democrats in the US. But when we have a Labor government we DON'T have Manchins or Sinema's farking it up because a Labor party is a collectivist party which binds its members in a vote and not a liberal party like the US Dems where splitting off has basically no consequences, and unlike the UK Labor in Oz stands a decent chance because the vote isn't SPLIT with some centrist liberal idiots like the Liberal Democrats.

In Australia a vote for a labor party delivers results for workers.

And you know what we have very few of? Strikes. Workers get respect, they get ten paid sick days per year in addition to their four weeks annual leave (or more by agreement, I'm talking about the legislated minimum here) which can be used as carers leave if needed. Also we get 10.5 per cent superannuation (ie 401K) funded by employers. That's in addition to parental leave, a relatively new thing here, but increasingly being accessed by mums and dads alike. And it hasn't crushed our economy, it hasn't made us all lazy at work. And do you know what we have really very few of? Unionised workers. I'm a former union official myself, it was hard to get workers to see the benefits of unionism, the Australian Labor Party had pretty much already cemented them in legislation.

The entire system in the US is built to crush workers. A few here and there fighting back is obviously good but essentially meaningless. Start a Labor Party, wipe out the Dems, then you might get somewhere.


But you have to deal with deadly drop bears....so....
 
2022-09-26 6:47:33 AM  
I don't understand why truckers are considered such a hazard if they're tired that there are extremely strict rules about rest periods, but someone driving a train can be run ragged and be falling asleep yet still be allowed to do it.

The scheduling thing should be taken up by congress as a basic workplace safety issue. I think the rail companies need some outside motivation.
 
2022-09-26 6:51:13 AM  
Management parties like it's 1899.
 
2022-09-26 6:53:22 AM  

bighairyguy: Management parties like it's 1899.


This guy gets it.
 
2022-09-26 7:01:46 AM  
I wonder what happens when all the trains stop moving?
Doubling down doesn't seem a winning strategy, and authoritarians can't compromise.
Seems like a general strike is inevitable.
 
2022-09-26 7:13:24 AM  
Sounds like these employees are getting railroaded.

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2022-09-26 7:15:58 AM  
Nationalize railroads
 
2022-09-26 7:17:24 AM  
I wonder if Republicans understand that they'll never again be able to pull what Reagan did with the air traffic controller unions...?
I guess we're going to find out the hard way what happens when all the trains shut down and everyone walks off their jobs.
Sure, I suppose the rail companies could just fire everyone...but it takes time to train (heh) replacement workers, and they're going to want a pay raise as well.
 
2022-09-26 7:18:20 AM  
Sounds like a failure of management. You shouldn't be allowed to work your employees worst than a galley slave in ancient times.
If management has allowed their own failure to spread like this they have absolutely lost their usefulness. Nationalize the rail lines and send the management packing, allow workers to have a day off or see a farking doctor. Its the 21st century why the fark are we still dealing with this robber baron bullshiat?!
 
2022-09-26 7:21:12 AM  
Not only is it impractical to fire all the rail workers, but it's impossible to make these workers look bad. They want sick days just like everyone else gets. That's entirely reasonable and the rail companies now look like robber Baron gilded age assholes.
So much for public support of the rich people. That's already a non starter.
 
2022-09-26 7:21:48 AM  
Ah yes, here it is.  Just in time to kill any momentum Democrats have heading into the midterms.  Nothing like a massive ramp up in inflation  and OH MAH GAWD the world is ending empty store shelves to really ratchet up the fear for ma and pa about soshulist commie America being ruined by the liberal deep state trying to turn our gay frogs into Mexican lesbian toads for Biden.  Can we start eating the rich yet?  I'm not really hungry but I could nosh.
 
2022-09-26 7:22:22 AM  
So this is a long game move by capital. They are banking on congress declaring any strike illegal.

This is only going to get worse.
 
2022-09-26 7:27:22 AM  

MagneticRepulsion: Ah yes, here it is.  Just in time to kill any momentum Democrats have heading into the midterms.  Nothing like a massive ramp up in inflation  and OH MAH GAWD the world is ending empty store shelves to really ratchet up the fear for ma and pa about soshulist commie America being ruined by the liberal deep state trying to turn our gay frogs into Mexican lesbian toads for Biden.  Can we start eating the rich yet?  I'm not really hungry but I could nosh.


Oh this won't hurt the Dems.
 
2022-09-26 7:27:29 AM  

wdog61: So this is a long game move by capital. They are banking on congress declaring any strike illegal.

This is only going to get worse.


They tried to force labor back to work. Guess who prevented that.
Yep, Bernie Sanders.
Then the White House tried to act like 1 sick day total was a win for labor.
 
2022-09-26 7:28:42 AM  
"The tentative agreement removes penalties for up to three routine medical visits a year-but only on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Thursdays, and only if scheduled 30 days in advance."

That is particularly brutal. It sounds like the railroads aren't employing enough people.
 
2022-09-26 7:40:06 AM  

FnkyTwn: "The tentative agreement removes penalties for up to three routine medical visits a year-but only on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Thursdays, and only if scheduled 30 days in advance."

That is particularly brutal. It sounds like the railroads aren't employing enough people.


Excuse me?
 
2022-09-26 7:45:18 AM  
So help drive the economy down, create a supply chain issues, spike fuel and goods costs, create scarcity of household goods, News cycles will say it's Dems fault and says 2022 is a horse race. Rail companies already are sitting on a ton of cash, would be happy to flip the house and senate to the GOP ensuring they are free from anything Biden can do, and wait for President DeSantis.

The rail companies want a strike-they aren't trying to avoid it. They prefer a GOP led government if that's not obvious to anyone yet. This a gift to the GOP, since no one will talk about Roe if there is a strike.
 
2022-09-26 7:45:39 AM  

Weaver95: Not only is it impractical to fire all the rail workers, but it's impossible to make these workers look bad. They want sick days just like everyone else gets. That's entirely reasonable and the rail companies now look like robber Baron gilded age assholes.
So much for public support of the rich people. That's already a non starter.


As someone who's benefitted a whole lot from decent sick leave this year, I am completely sympathetic to the railroad workers.
 
2022-09-26 7:51:44 AM  
Thanks, Biden! You "negotiated" a deal that ignores the main thing the workers were complaining about.
 
2022-09-26 7:52:38 AM  

OmnomnomCookies: So help drive the economy down, create a supply chain issues, spike fuel and goods costs, create scarcity of household goods, News cycles will say it's Dems fault and says 2022 is a horse race. Rail companies already are sitting on a ton of cash, would be happy to flip the house and senate to the GOP ensuring they are free from anything Biden can do, and wait for President DeSantis.

The rail companies want a strike-they aren't trying to avoid it. They prefer a GOP led government if that's not obvious to anyone yet. This a gift to the GOP, since no one will talk about Roe if there is a strike.


It's utterly bizarre that you think anyone will blame the Democratic party for this.
Are you really that clueless?
Weird
 
2022-09-26 7:53:47 AM  

adamatari: I don't understand why truckers are considered such a hazard if they're tired that there are extremely strict rules about rest periods, but someone driving a train can be run ragged and be falling asleep yet still be allowed to do it.

The scheduling thing should be taken up by congress as a basic workplace safety issue. I think the rail companies need some outside motivation.


* Stares in Nurse Practitioner *
 
2022-09-26 7:55:55 AM  

Weaver95: OmnomnomCookies: So help drive the economy down, create a supply chain issues, spike fuel and goods costs, create scarcity of household goods, News cycles will say it's Dems fault and says 2022 is a horse race. Rail companies already are sitting on a ton of cash, would be happy to flip the house and senate to the GOP ensuring they are free from anything Biden can do, and wait for President DeSantis.

The rail companies want a strike-they aren't trying to avoid it. They prefer a GOP led government if that's not obvious to anyone yet. This a gift to the GOP, since no one will talk about Roe if there is a strike.

It's utterly bizarre that you think anyone will blame the Democratic party for this.
Are you really that clueless?
Weird


The right-wing media blames Democrats for literally everything. Sure, intelligent people won't, but intelligent people's votes aren't enough to win elections.
 
2022-09-26 7:57:09 AM  

Weaver95: Not only is it impractical to fire all the rail workers, but it's impossible to make these workers look bad. They want sick days just like everyone else gets. That's entirely reasonable and the rail companies now look like robber Baron gilded age assholes.
So much for public support of the rich people. That's already a non starter.


You underestimate the power of propaganda.
 
2022-09-26 7:58:15 AM  
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2022-09-26 7:59:17 AM  

FnkyTwn: "The tentative agreement removes penalties for up to three routine medical visits a year-but only on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, or Thursdays, and only if scheduled 30 days in advance."

That is particularly brutal. It sounds like the railroads aren't employing enough people.


That is intentional.  It is the intention of the Class I railroads to get to enough of a crisis in employment that the FRA and Transit Canada pass "emergency" rules (the emergency will never expire) allowing One Person Train Operation.  2 miles long, 74 mph, One Joe, and, optimistically, a video relay to the Ops Center.
 
2022-09-26 7:59:37 AM  

IAmRight: The right-wing media blames Democrats for literally everything. Sure, intelligent people won't, but intelligent people's votes aren't enough to win elections.


Republicans are bleeding out rivers of money, tons and tons and tons of new voters registered Democrat for the next election cycle and everyone hates conservatives for outlawing abortion and forcing women to birth corpses.
It all adds up.
 
2022-09-26 8:00:48 AM  

Jaws_Victim: Good! Crash the economy. Sick and tired of being overworked, sick, and tired. Pay people a living wage and let them have sick days



Strike, crash the economy and unionize.

These RR farkers sound like they need a  lesson the hard way.
 
2022-09-26 8:02:43 AM  
Who gets paid sick days beside Congress? Asking for a friend.
 
2022-09-26 8:04:45 AM  
So lemme see if I got this correct. There are people who believe that if the railroad unions go in strike, it'll be the Dems fault?
Really.
Because right now the GOP are defending espionage, forcing women to birth corpses and doubling down on the racism, bigotry and religious insanity.  NOBODY believes or trusts them at all. That's why they're losing gobs of cash and getting their asses kicked from coast to coast.
Doubling down on union busting? That's another loser issue for conservatives.
 
2022-09-26 8:07:07 AM  

Stoker: Who gets paid sick days beside Congress? Asking for a friend.


Government employees, especially AFSCME employees.  But non-union municipalities also offer paid sick leave.  And in New Mexico, all employers are required to offer sick leave to all employees.
 
2022-09-26 8:12:07 AM  

Weaver95: OmnomnomCookies: So help drive the economy down, create a supply chain issues, spike fuel and goods costs, create scarcity of household goods, News cycles will say it's Dems fault and says 2022 is a horse race. Rail companies already are sitting on a ton of cash, would be happy to flip the house and senate to the GOP ensuring they are free from anything Biden can do, and wait for President DeSantis.

The rail companies want a strike-they aren't trying to avoid it. They prefer a GOP led government if that's not obvious to anyone yet. This a gift to the GOP, since no one will talk about Roe if there is a strike.

It's utterly bizarre that you think anyone will blame the Democratic party for this.
Are you really that clueless?
Weird


Coming from a MAGA infested home I can assure you there are people who would blame the democrats for someone sitting in their pants last night.
 
2022-09-26 8:14:00 AM  

pueblonative: Coming from a MAGA infested home I can assure you there are people who would blame the democrats for someone sitting in their pants last night.


Yeah, I live in central Pennsylvania. We're infested with trumpers.
You can ignore their objections.
 
2022-09-26 8:31:57 AM  
Notice that people in this thread know that Congress tried to interfere on behalf of the corporations but not one mentioned that the White House or Congress could interfere on behalf of labor.
That is because we know that they are not our friends and they have the same odds of working for labor as they have in outlawing insider trading within Congress.
 
2022-09-26 8:34:19 AM  

sinner4ever: Notice that people in this thread know that Congress tried to interfere on behalf of the corporations but not one mentioned that the White House or Congress could interfere on behalf of labor.
That is because we know that they are not our friends and they have the same odds of working for labor as they have in outlawing insider trading within Congress.


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2022-09-26 8:36:53 AM  

Aussie_As: Said it before on Fark and will undoubtedly say it again. The two best features of the Australian electoral system are (a) the existance of a Labor Party and (b) preferential (aka ranked choice) voting. It's not that we never get conservative governments, we get plenty, Labor is about on par with the success of the Democrats in the US. But when we have a Labor government we DON'T have Manchins or Sinema's farking it up because a Labor party is a collectivist party which binds its members in a vote and not a liberal party like the US Dems where splitting off has basically no consequences, and unlike the UK Labor in Oz stands a decent chance because the vote isn't SPLIT with some centrist liberal idiots like the Liberal Democrats.

In Australia a vote for a labor party delivers results for workers.

And you know what we have very few of? Strikes. Workers get respect, they get ten paid sick days per year in addition to their four weeks annual leave (or more by agreement, I'm talking about the legislated minimum here) which can be used as carers leave if needed. Also we get 10.5 per cent superannuation (ie 401K) funded by employers. That's in addition to parental leave, a relatively new thing here, but increasingly being accessed by mums and dads alike. And it hasn't crushed our economy, it hasn't made us all lazy at work. And do you know what we have really very few of? Unionised workers. I'm a former union official myself, it was hard to get workers to see the benefits of unionism, the Australian Labor Party had pretty much already cemented them in legislation.

The entire system in the US is built to crush workers. A few here and there fighting back is obviously good but essentially meaningless. Start a Labor Party, wipe out the Dems, then you might get somewhere.


I vote Greens (or the Hemp Party,) but due to PREFERENTIAL VOTING, I also vote for Labor.  So my fav parties get the few extra dollars because I voted first for them, but my vote actually ends up being for Labor (who gets the vote, but no $s.)
 
2022-09-26 8:39:02 AM  
I really think that this is just the Railroad owners conspiring with the Republicans to destroy the economy in the hopes of blaming the Democrats for the midterms.

They tried a lighter version when Rethuglican businesses refused to hire during the Obama years and others fired people out of spite. Just more unethical shenanigans
 
2022-09-26 8:39:06 AM  
In other words, the scare tactics worked once.

Now let's milk the puplic for more.
 
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