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(CNN)   French president calls social media platforms "the new relativism" and "a killer for all democracies." Americans: "Rela-what?"   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-09-25 8:44:20 PM  
Nothing in that article made any sense.
 
2022-09-25 8:45:32 PM  
Looks like we're back to "freedom" fries boys.
 
2022-09-25 8:47:26 PM  
So, THAT'S how it is in their family!
 
2022-09-25 8:48:17 PM  
"According to O'Boyle, 'in many communities, voters are seeing more election content in the form of advertising than they are in the form of news reporting,' saying there have even been instances of local newscasts cutting their broadcasts short in order to air more political ads. With politics becoming increasingly polarized over the past 20-odd years, absence of objective local news doesn't help ease that struggle, nor does it make most people think that there's anything to be done anywhere close to home.

While some people -- especially younger people -- might say, 'who cares? I get my news from social media anyway,' O'Boyle points out that, 'the majority of news coverage, and particularly local news coverage, still comes from local newsrooms.' In other words, just because you saw some article about a police scandal on social media doesn't mean it wasn't uncovered by some intrepid reporter first. Additionally, says O'Boyle, 'a healthy news ecosystem' is essential if you want 'to cut through some of the viral nonsense that's getting passed around' these days."

https://www.avclub.com/the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-gave-us-shiatty-cell-1798250823
 
2022-09-25 8:48:59 PM  
Macron being a corporate cocksucker aside,  he isn't wrong to say that social media has been successfully weaponized by conservatives to erode, if not outright bring down, democratic countries from within.
 
2022-09-25 8:51:20 PM  
He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."

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2022-09-25 8:51:38 PM  

Murkanen: Macron being a corporate cocksucker aside,  he isn't wrong to say that social media has been successfully weaponized by conservatives to erode, if not outright bring down, democratic countries from within.


I can't disagree, either.  In fact the very nature of social media is that it can be easily weaponized by bad actors.  If all of it went away tomorrow, we would have gained far more than we lost.
 
2022-09-25 8:58:29 PM  

Hinged: Nothing in that article made any sense.


Soooooo, this makes me think TFA was written at a 3rd grade level.
 
2022-09-25 8:59:04 PM  

josephstalin: Murkanen: Macron being a corporate cocksucker aside,  he isn't wrong to say that social media has been successfully weaponized by conservatives to erode, if not outright bring down, democratic countries from within.

I can't disagree, either.  In fact the very nature of social media is that it can be easily weaponized by bad actors.  If all of it went away tomorrow, we would have gained far more than we lost.


username not checking out.... jeez... if stalin had Twitter back then....
 
2022-09-25 9:12:57 PM  

hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."

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People forget, or don't realize, that a TRUE democracy is majority rules, which can lead to mob-like behavior. Jesus was killed by a democratic vote. "We, The People" killed Jesus, if you believe in that stuff. The people are stupid! I'm stupid! If it were up to me I'd pass out guns and abortions at the State owned drive through liquor store named the Sip, Snip, and Clips.

That's why we have a Representative Democracy* to mitigate that mob mentality.

/Well, we elect them in gerrymandered districts to represent
//Then they serve the oligarchy
///The Simpson's occasional mob is a great example

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2022-09-25 9:17:18 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."

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People forget, or don't realize, that a TRUE democracy is majority rules, which can lead to mob-like behavior. Jesus was killed by a democratic vote. "We, The People" killed Jesus, if you believe in that stuff. The people are stupid! I'm stupid! If it were up to me I'd pass out guns and abortions at the State owned drive through liquor store named the Sip, Snip, and Clips.

That's why we have a Representative Democracy* to mitigate that mob mentality.

/Well, we elect them in gerrymandered districts to represent
//Then they serve the oligarchy
///The Simpson's occasional mob is a great example

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2022-09-25 9:19:20 PM  
It's ironic that the next Dark Ages are being ushered in by an overload of information.
 
2022-09-25 9:23:31 PM  

whatshisname: It's ironic that the next Dark Ages are being ushered in by an overload of information.


misinformation and information look the same on the internet.
 
2022-09-25 9:27:00 PM  

PineappleOnPizza: josephstalin: Murkanen: Macron being a corporate cocksucker aside,  he isn't wrong to say that social media has been successfully weaponized by conservatives to erode, if not outright bring down, democratic countries from within.

I can't disagree, either.  In fact the very nature of social media is that it can be easily weaponized by bad actors.  If all of it went away tomorrow, we would have gained far more than we lost.

username not checking out.... jeez... if stalin had Twitter back then....


Yezhov is a spy from Japan #purge
 
2022-09-25 9:35:10 PM  

PineappleOnPizza: whatshisname: It's ironic that the next Dark Ages are being ushered in by an overload of information.

misinformation and information look the same on the internet.


They also look the same to gullible people, which is the problem.
 
2022-09-25 9:40:07 PM  
[Putin's resentment, he} has a feeling that we [the West] did not respect him properly.

Respect can have is has several meanings, sometimes ambiguously
1. deeply admire
2. tolerate, accept as legitimate and not denigrate or seek to destroy.

Putin mostly got #2 (though some worked against him) though he appears to think he deserves admiration.

A person might "respect" several religions and not seek to ban them even while thinking they are full of nonsense.

If I show a powerful man respect does that mean I like him or might I just be sucking up?
 
2022-09-25 9:46:44 PM  

whatshisname: It's ironic that the next Dark Ages are being ushered in by an overload of information.


The Police - Too Much Information
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2022-09-25 9:49:39 PM  
I think he's making the same mistake a lot of people make. "Social media" is not doing things to people. Social media is driven by the people. Some people are hung up on the truth, while many others do not give a shiat about what's true or not. Stop assuming everyone cares about the truth. The reality is that most people just care if their 'side' wins or not. The truth only has value to them if it helps them win, otherwise it's worthless.

That's why someone like Trump can get elected President. Did he, or did he not, deliver a conservative court? Did Roe vs Wade get tossed out? That's a win for them, that's what they wanted. People are obsessed with playing by the rules when the other side plays to win with no regard for rules.
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2022-09-25 9:50:08 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Hinged: Nothing in that article made any sense.

Soooooo, this makes me think TFA was written at a 3rd grade level.


Probably a requirement for the news agency (although I remember hearing that newspapers back in the day were written for 8th grade reading level.  Would make sense if CNN is at 3rd).  Don't think you can explain the concept at a 3rd grade reading level.

Hint, writing guy.  CNN fired all the editors and they can't check to see if you used fancy words or anything.
 
2022-09-25 9:53:53 PM  

PineappleOnPizza: whatshisname: It's ironic that the next Dark Ages are being ushered in by an overload of information.

misinformation and information look the same on the internet.


Oops wrong account sorry
 
2022-09-25 10:04:23 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: PineappleOnPizza: whatshisname: It's ironic that the next Dark Ages are being ushered in by an overload of information.

misinformation and information look the same on the internet.

Oops wrong account sorry


LMAO
 
2022-09-25 10:29:09 PM  
The problem with social media is that corporations and political entities have injected themselves into it. Imagine if, in your day to day normal social conversations, a random person popped in every so often with some sort of advertising spiel or spin on some inane topic. At first you ignore them but they do it so often that they infiltrate your friend group and, bit by bit, steer the conversations away from your previous, normal topics towards batshiat insane stuff. Your group shifts from talking about sports to talking about business, to talking about NFT's, to talking about how the Dems control the economy, to how George Soros invented mind control drugs. You stand there, watching, astounded, yet your friends buy into it. Soon enough that friend group starts seeing YOU as the outsider.

By allowing a broad swath of people to connect together, social media established an easy to reach platform others can use to manipulate them. It's even more insidious than TV.
 
2022-09-25 10:33:19 PM  
He's not wrong.

Who knew using an algorithm to feed billions of people increasingly extreme versions of their own beliefs to keep them glued to an advertising machine might be a bad idea?
 
2022-09-25 10:33:43 PM  

Birnone: I think he's making the same mistake a lot of people make. "Social media" is not doing things to people. Social media is driven by the people. Some people are hung up on the truth, while many others do not give a shiat about what's true or not. Stop assuming everyone cares about the truth. The reality is that most people just care if their 'side' wins or not. The truth only has value to them if it helps them win, otherwise it's worthless.


The mistake is to view much of the online vitriol as arguments between parties with different opinions.  Different opinions on how to approach common sets of problems and common sets of facts.  Increasingly there IS no common set of facts.

These days, there's what mainstream science and media believes and reports (with broad consensus of objective truth) and there's the conspiracy-fuelled lunacy that makes the rounds through social media algorithms and gets pushed by the shadowy people who mobilize alt-right movements.

It's two completely different worlds, arguing with each other.  And it's disquieting, because I don't think we're culturally prepared to deal with all the long-term consequences of that.
 
2022-09-25 10:36:51 PM  

Likwit: He's not wrong.

Who knew using an algorithm to feed billions of people increasingly extreme versions of their own beliefs to keep them glued to an advertising machine might be a bad idea?


"but it is very profitable"

/i hate capitalism because capitalism encourages Ferengi-like beliefs in the acquisition of wealth
 
2022-09-25 10:44:35 PM  

hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."
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Nothing we can do about it.  I mean, we couldn't possibly put any restraints on these economic giants, or make them accountable for anything they do to us.  (Shrug)
 
2022-09-25 10:46:57 PM  
Op, that's pretty freaking funny. Keep doing god's work.
 
2022-09-25 10:49:43 PM  

cryinoutloud: hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."
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Nothing we can do about it.  I mean, we couldn't possibly put any restraints on these economic giants, or make them accountable for anything they do to us.  (Shrug)


Capitalism needs to farking die. Fortunately, it seems quite keen on killing itself. Unfortunately, it also seems hellbent on taking human civilization and most life on Earth down with it.
 
2022-09-25 10:50:51 PM  
Forgot the propaganda.

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2022-09-25 10:54:28 PM  

LordJiro: cryinoutloud: hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."
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Nothing we can do about it.  I mean, we couldn't possibly put any restraints on these economic giants, or make them accountable for anything they do to us.  (Shrug)

Capitalism needs to farking die. Fortunately, it seems quite keen on killing itself. Unfortunately, it also seems hellbent on taking human civilization and most life on Earth down with it.


Since you're on the Internet and either a computer or a phone, you're on capitalism.
 
2022-09-25 11:28:39 PM  

Hinged: LordJiro: cryinoutloud: hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."
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Nothing we can do about it.  I mean, we couldn't possibly put any restraints on these economic giants, or make them accountable for anything they do to us.  (Shrug)

Capitalism needs to farking die. Fortunately, it seems quite keen on killing itself. Unfortunately, it also seems hellbent on taking human civilization and most life on Earth down with it.

Since you're on the Internet and either a computer or a phone, you're on capitalism.


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/Also, the internet was a government project
 
2022-09-25 11:31:47 PM  
Also A: the ends (internet, phone, computer, etc.) don't justify the means (slavery, abuse, killing the farking global ecosystem, etc.). and B: if you look at how much governments have supported technological research as well as subsidized various corporations, I think you might realize that governments had far more of a hand in a LOT of "capitalist innovations" than capitalists would like to have you believe.
 
2022-09-26 12:17:49 AM  

hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."

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He is 100% correct. And do you know how combat that? It is having an educated and informed public. Which also goes against what conservatives in every country fight against for some reason.
 
2022-09-26 1:35:38 AM  
So my local elections are currently on, and I'm finding a lot of candidates have no campaign websites except for a facebook page, which I can't view with no facebook account. So guess who definitely won't be getting my vote? Anybody who relies solely on facebook to campaign.
 
2022-09-26 1:36:49 AM  

LordJiro: Hinged: LordJiro: cryinoutloud: hissatsu: He said social platforms have been a driver of "fake news" and "new relativism," which he called "a killer for all democracies, because it's completely breaking the relationship to truth, and to science, and the basis of our own democracy."
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Nothing we can do about it.  I mean, we couldn't possibly put any restraints on these economic giants, or make them accountable for anything they do to us.  (Shrug)

Capitalism needs to farking die. Fortunately, it seems quite keen on killing itself. Unfortunately, it also seems hellbent on taking human civilization and most life on Earth down with it.

Since you're on the Internet and either a computer or a phone, you're on capitalism.

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/Also, the internet was a government project


miniaturization of microchips and the like largely came about thanks to NASA too. Pretty sure NASA aren't a capitalist venture either.
 
2022-09-26 1:48:50 AM  
Hinged:

Since you're on the Internet and either a computer or a phone, you're on capitalism.

If there was ever a way to tell people you know nothing about the development of the internet and cell phones without actually saying you nothing about the development of the internet and cell phones your post is it.
 
2022-09-26 4:11:02 AM  
He's not alone in that opinion: 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-is-social-media-turning-us-into-political-extremists/

https://www.littlebrown.com/titles/max-fisher/the-chaos-machine/9780316703314/

Socil media leads us to believe that what we see is socially endorsed by our own social group.
 
2022-09-26 4:45:10 AM  

Stargazer86: The problem with social media is that corporations and political entities have injected themselves into it. Imagine if, in your day to day normal social conversations, a random person popped in every so often with some sort of advertising spiel or spin on some inane topic. At first you ignore them but they do it so often that they infiltrate your friend group and, bit by bit, steer the conversations away from your previous, normal topics towards batshiat insane stuff. Your group shifts from talking about sports to talking about business, to talking about NFT's, to talking about how the Dems control the economy, to how George Soros invented mind control drugs. You stand there, watching, astounded, yet your friends buy into it. Soon enough that friend group starts seeing YOU as the outsider.

By allowing a broad swath of people to connect together, social media established an easy to reach platform others can use to manipulate them. It's even more insidious than TV.


There is a powerful group of people who want you to believe the problem is people connecting and sharing ideas online, and not corporations manipulating people's thoughts and emotions with algorithms.
 
2022-09-26 12:15:07 PM  

rubi_con_man: He's not alone in that opinion:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-is-social-media-turning-us-into-political-extremists/
https://www.littlebrown.com/titles/max-fisher/the-chaos-machine/9780316703314/
Socil media leads us to believe that what we see is socially endorsed by our own social group.


That's not an opinion, bro, that's human nature.  You all don't seem to understand, and I posted right here in this farking thread.  They are PROGRAMMING us.  the only people who seem to be able to understand how powerful they can make these algorithms is social scientists--and guess what, you all don't believe in social scientists.  You think that you can, with your very human brain, just outmanuever the algorithms, and the thousands of social scientists who are employed by Google and Amazon and Yahoo to help make sure
that you DON'T.

I post this shiat daily, and nobody cares.  Your intellect and your "real sciences" beat human science every day, if you can even lower yourselves to think about it.  You're very very wrong, and you're farked, because your little ego tells you that you more power over your internet consumption, and your real consumption, than you do. Just like they want you to think.
This is a dead thread but no worries, I'll be back.  Over and over and over again.

We are humans, not machines, and we respond to the world as humans, who have emotions.  That can be swayed and manipulated, and changed by our surroundings.  Look around you--if that shiat is organic and natural, then I'm farking Jesus, because I want or need little of it.

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