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2022-09-25 12:02:41 PM  
I like that Isuzu thing.
 
2022-09-25 1:34:32 PM  

edmo: I like that Isuzu thing.


Yeah, that's the one that kinda speaks to me on that list.
 
2022-09-25 1:43:02 PM  

mybluemake: edmo: I like that Isuzu thing.

Yeah, that's the one that kinda speaks to me on that list.


It jumped out immediately at me too... I have zero memory of it as a 1997 release. And I probably read the Consumer Digest 1997 Reviews book cover to cover at least a dozen times. Those books were usually comprehensive.

It looks like the love child of the contemporary Toyota RAV4 (similar cladding) and Suzuki X90 (similar goofiness).
 
2022-09-25 1:54:27 PM  
No mention of the PT Cruiser?
 
2022-09-25 1:54:52 PM  
The EV1 was most likely done as a trial car,

The VehiCROSS is a damn well made real 4wd

The prices are going up
 
2022-09-25 2:27:14 PM  
No mention of DeLorean's cocaine "arrest".
 
2022-09-25 2:30:31 PM  
EV1 killed by GM. None sold, only leased. Made just for Cali laws.
GTO also killed by GM. they didn't want to sell a Vette for half the price.
 
2022-09-25 2:33:46 PM  
"The DeLorean DMC-12 had all the makings of a truly radical sports car. It resembled other famous supercars like the Lotus Esprit, but in reality, this DeLorean was anything but a supercar. Despite being portrayed as one of the fastest cars ever in "Back To The Future", the DMC-12 was painfully slow."

Someone didn't pay much attention when they watched that movie. I don't think they ever tried to act like it was one of the "fastest cars ever," in fact I remember Marty saying to the DeLorean "c'mon, MOVE" in the first scene where he drives it when he's trying to run away from the Libyans.
 
2022-09-25 2:49:38 PM  
For me the disappointment of the G8 was that by the time the car made it to NA, GM had already decided to kill off the entire Pontiac line.  Jerks.

So this model only lasted for 3 years.
 
2022-09-25 2:50:49 PM  

LurkerSupreme: "The DeLorean DMC-12 had all the makings of a truly radical sports car. It resembled other famous supercars like the Lotus Esprit, but in reality, this DeLorean was anything but a supercar. Despite being portrayed as one of the fastest cars ever in "Back To The Future", the DMC-12 was painfully slow."

Someone didn't pay much attention when they watched that movie. I don't think they ever tried to act like it was one of the "fastest cars ever," in fact I remember Marty saying to the DeLorean "c'mon, MOVE" in the first scene where he drives it when he's trying to run away from the Libyans.


Hell, the climax of the movie is about how it takes thirty years just to drive to the end of the street. It's average speed is horrendous.
 
2022-09-25 2:52:57 PM  

NeoCortex42: No mention of the PT Cruiser?


It had a nine year production run, sold a million units, and was rated highly for a decent number of model years. Overall it was a fairly successful car. 

And it didn't cost a fortune to develop. The platform and engine already existed (can't remember if it was the Neon platform or something else, but it was nothing revolutionary).
 
2022-09-25 2:56:42 PM  

NeoCortex42: No mention of the PT Cruiser?


Despite being hated on by lots of people (most of whom never drove one), the PT Cruiser cost very little to develop and build, and Chrysler sold barge-loads of them.  Even in Europe, believe it or not. There was no point to a follow-up, so they just, well, stopped making them when they got long in the tooth. Shame, really; they could have done a futuristic-looking thing on basically the same platform for a reverse-retro take.

They were a useful if ugly little car with a huge lift-gate in the back. I rented them a few times and was always pleased (and also pleased that you can't see the thing from inside of it).

Good thing they didn't hire Celine Dion to promote it, or she would have destroyed it at birth the way she did the Crossfire.
 
2022-09-25 3:00:42 PM  

clkeagle: NeoCortex42: No mention of the PT Cruiser?

It had a nine year production run, sold a million units, and was rated highly for a decent number of model years. Overall it was a fairly successful car. 

And it didn't cost a fortune to develop. The platform and engine already existed (can't remember if it was the Neon platform or something else, but it was nothing revolutionary).


Lots of Neon parts, and I owe you a Pepsi.
 
2022-09-25 3:07:55 PM  

thryrik: GTO also killed by GM. they didn't want to sell a Vette for half the price.


When GM killed off the Fiero, they had already gotten as far as testing second-gen prototypes. Officially, their reason was because the sales plummeted by eighty percent over five years.

Unofficially, they discovered a supercharged 3800 would fit in back at half the price of a C4.
 
2022-09-25 3:08:24 PM  
This "article" was supposed to be highly successful, until it was not.

"There were rather a few faults surrounding the Edsel, after all, the brand was technically busy with their first-ever car."

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2022-09-25 3:15:46 PM  

LurkerSupreme: "The DeLorean DMC-12 had all the makings of a truly radical sports car. It resembled other famous supercars like the Lotus Esprit, but in reality, this DeLorean was anything but a supercar. Despite being portrayed as one of the fastest cars ever in "Back To The Future", the DMC-12 was painfully slow."

Someone didn't pay much attention when they watched that movie. I don't think they ever tried to act like it was one of the "fastest cars ever," in fact I remember Marty saying to the DeLorean "c'mon, MOVE" in the first scene where he drives it when he's trying to run away from the Libyans.


Doc even said it was about the style. Oh, and the stainless steel body panels.

/ And in 1985, 88 mph was MOAR SPEED THAN YOUR SPEEDOMETER COULD SHOW
 
2022-09-25 3:20:44 PM  

aaronx: They were a useful if ugly little car with a huge lift-gate in the back. I rented them a few times and was always pleased (and also pleased that you can't see the thing from inside of it).


As someone who is 6'1", I liked having a PT Cruisers as rental cars. They were a lot more comfortable (legroom and headroom) than an Altima or other midsize.

The Scion XB was another vehicle fitting that description--strange looking, but quite comfortable and useful.
 
2022-09-25 3:25:56 PM  
Not listed: Lincoln Blackwood, the luxury pickup truck.
 
2022-09-25 3:26:46 PM  
Still better than the G-Wiz
 
2022-09-25 3:28:04 PM  
Meanwhile, in late 2022, my mechanic cant get parts for my ordinary 2006 Chevy Aveo.
 
2022-09-25 3:28:36 PM  
I don't care if you think I'm stupid, but I liked the Chrysler Crossfire. I must admit I never actually drove one and I did own a Sebring so my opinion on cars may not be one you should take much stock in.  The DeLorean was garbage though. Sure, it looked kind of cool, but it really wasn't. DeLorean fanbois are like that girl who keeps trying to make "fetch" happen.  I had a neighbor whose license plate actually said "DMC BOI" on it. He owned 2 of them - and the guy he lived with drove an Aztek.

To be fair, his DMC is probably more reliable than my Chrysler. I'm not sure about the Aztek.

This car should be on the list though:

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2022-09-25 3:31:12 PM  
That being said, the Prowler is starting to become more liked by the automotive community, and some prices have also started to creep up as a result.

^what farking drugs are you taking?????

They was always over priced and had a special dealership up change from day one.
Table flip.
 
2022-09-25 3:34:09 PM  
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2022-09-25 3:34:31 PM  

WordsnCollision: This "article" was supposed to be highly successful, until it was not.

"There were rather a few faults surrounding the Edsel, after all, the brand was technically busy with their first-ever car."

[i.guim.co.uk image 360x216]


Edsel was supposed to be a division, filling a market niche between Ford and Mercury.
 
2022-09-25 3:40:54 PM  

cant be arsed: Meanwhile, in late 2022, my mechanic cant get parts for my ordinary 2006 Chevy Aveo.


That's because mechanics can't get parts for just about anything right now.
 
2022-09-25 3:45:13 PM  
Pretty much all of these (less the EV1 and Isuzu) were "cars the guys on the car webpage forums want".  Number 0 would be the proverbial used beige CTS-V wagon manual.  They (the car guys) make a lot of noise, but don't buy many new cars.  Some of them appear to be cars the guys who work at the car companies wanted to make (not the ones the car buyers wanted to buy), but there's a lot of overlap between them and the "car culture fanboys".

EV1 likely didn't have the infrastructure.  GM wanted to homologate it (i.e. just make enough and then stop losing money making them), but I really doubt it was ready.  In 1996 cell phones were just starting to be a thing, and the electricity hungry smartphone wouldn't take off until the iPhone in 2007.  Li-ion was likely a creature of the massive market for mobile electronics, all fundamentally limited by that battery.

/I can't recommend  those sites
//the douchebaggery is inversely proportional to the wrenching the site is devoted to
///don't do much wrenching (live in an apartment), not a good sign.  But then I haven't visited those sites for years
 
2022-09-25 3:47:29 PM  

My Sober Alt: I don't care if you think I'm stupid, but I liked the Chrysler Crossfire. I must admit I never actually drove one and I did own a Sebring so my opinion on cars may not be one you should take much stock in.  The DeLorean was garbage though. Sure, it looked kind of cool, but it really wasn't. DeLorean fanbois are like that girl who keeps trying to make "fetch" happen.  I had a neighbor whose license plate actually said "DMC BOI" on it. He owned 2 of them - and the guy he lived with drove an Aztek.

To be fair, his DMC is probably more reliable than my Chrysler. I'm not sure about the Aztek.

This car should be on the list though:

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Mark me down as one who also liked the look of the Crossfire. No way I was getting one because Chrysler's build quality in the mid 00s was pure garbage fire, but I liked the styling.

Same for the Caddy XLR. Love the look of it, but also GM tends to build solid mechanicals and then so super super cheap on the finishes.
 
2022-09-25 3:54:40 PM  
Before the Delorean, there was the Bricklin. When I was a kid, I saw one in the wild.

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2022-09-25 4:10:03 PM  

aaronx: NeoCortex42: No mention of the PT Cruiser?

Despite being hated on by lots of people (most of whom never drove one), the PT Cruiser cost very little to develop and build, and Chrysler sold barge-loads of them.  Even in Europe, believe it or not. There was no point to a follow-up, so they just, well, stopped making them when they got long in the tooth. Shame, really; they could have done a futuristic-looking thing on basically the same platform for a reverse-retro take.

They were a useful if ugly little car with a huge lift-gate in the back. I rented them a few times and was always pleased (and also pleased that you can't see the thing from inside of it).

Good thing they didn't hire Celine Dion to promote it, or she would have destroyed it at birth the way she did the Crossfire.


I rode in a PT Cruiser once.  I've also ridden in a Kia Soul once.  The PT Cruiser is the predecessor to the Soul in every conceivable way.

Decent economy car, a step up from a subcompact hatchback.  Nothing special, but it was never meant to be.
 
2022-09-25 4:19:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: No mention of the PT Cruiser?


Yeah how is that not on there but the Crossfire is? Hell, even the Prowler looks good compared to that.
 
2022-09-25 4:37:28 PM  

CivilizedTiger: thryrik: GTO also killed by GM. they didn't want to sell a Vette for half the price.

When GM killed off the Fiero, they had already gotten as far as testing second-gen prototypes. Officially, their reason was because the sales plummeted by eighty percent over five years.

Unofficially, they discovered a supercharged 3800 would fit in back at half the price of a C4.


I'm trying to wrap by head around the brake and overheating issues the are talking about in the TFA?

If the brakes and cooling systems can regularly survive plus 45 deg ambient in the Australian outback what the hell are people doing with them in the US?

/csb: you could also get that supercharged 3800 in the Monaro...it's not too bad
 
2022-09-25 4:44:16 PM  

rockymountainrider: For me the disappointment of the G8 was that by the time the car made it to NA, GM had already decided to kill off the entire Pontiac line.  Jerks.

So this model only lasted for 3 years.


Then they went one better and killed the source...
 
2022-09-25 5:07:52 PM  

Streetwise Hercules: Not listed: Lincoln Blackwood, the luxury pickup truck.


They're missing a few of the normal softballs. The Blackwood, the Cadillac Cimmaron, the Pontiac Aztek...
 
2022-09-25 5:49:17 PM  
Edsel - questionable styling choices, a lack of market research

Oh, they researched it plenty, piece by piece, but never showed the whole package to anyone outside the firm until it was in production.
 
2022-09-25 6:04:54 PM  
I think Jeremy Clarkson said the Crossfire looked like a dog having a dump.
 
2022-09-25 7:00:59 PM  

Metastatic Capricorn: Before the Delorean, there was the Bricklin. When I was a kid, I saw one in the wild.

[s.yimg.com image 720x480]


God,
That thing makes the Delorian look well made
 
2022-09-25 7:14:45 PM  

CivilizedTiger: thryrik: GTO also killed by GM. they didn't want to sell a Vette for half the price.

When GM killed off the Fiero, they had already gotten as far as testing second-gen prototypes. Officially, their reason was because the sales plummeted by eighty percent over five years.

Unofficially, they discovered a supercharged 3800 would fit in back at half the price of a C4.


There partially substantiated rumor in Michigan is that they did put a 3800 in one, took it to the test track, and blew the doors off a Corvette.
 
2022-09-25 7:28:47 PM  

clkeagle: Streetwise Hercules: Not listed: Lincoln Blackwood, the luxury pickup truck.

They're missing a few of the normal softballs. The Blackwood, the Cadillac Cimmaron, the Pontiac Aztek...


Maybe technically but the GM J-Type was highly successful for some other divisions, e.g., the Chevy Cavalier and Pontiac Sunbird (plus the Olds and Buick versions).

Quirky car, though, a good example of '80s American vehicle engineering. My mom had a '84/85 Skyhawk that, while nice looking and well-appointed, had an anemic engine and lots of small issues.
 
2022-09-25 7:42:29 PM  

baka-san: Metastatic Capricorn: Before the Delorean, there was the Bricklin. When I was a kid, I saw one in the wild.

[s.yimg.com image 720x480]

God,
That thing makes the Delorian look well made


70s manufacturing has very little to recommend it.
 
2022-09-25 8:08:01 PM  
Huh, I see that Chrysler TC by Maserati didn't make the list.
 
2022-09-25 8:12:02 PM  

edmo: I like that Isuzu thing.


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2022-09-25 8:15:02 PM  
The Nissan Murano convertible should have made this list.
 
2022-09-25 8:29:57 PM  
I hate listicles put together by people who don't care in the least about the subject matter.

The Fisker Karma didn't fail because of it's $100,000 price tag, which was frankly on the low end for the target segment. It failed because it was a steaming pile of shiat. Horrible build quality, unusable infotainment, exhaust being vented directly into the cockpit if you had the windows down and weren't moving quickly, trunks so misaligned that you couldn't drive in the rain without everything inside getting wet. It was just an unparalleled disaster. And to top it all off, it was hilariously slow for its class despite those 400-ish HP. Ang got shockingly terrible fuel economy. And was giant, but not in a practical or cool way.

It was such a bad car that for the longest time you could find 1-year old examples with under 5,000 miles for less than $30,000.
 
2022-09-25 8:50:33 PM  

spiralscratch: clkeagle: Streetwise Hercules: Not listed: Lincoln Blackwood, the luxury pickup truck.

They're missing a few of the normal softballs. The Blackwood, the Cadillac Cimmaron, the Pontiac Aztek...

Maybe technically but the GM J-Type was highly successful for some other divisions, e.g., the Chevy Cavalier and Pontiac Sunbird (plus the Olds and Buick versions).

Quirky car, though, a good example of '80s American vehicle engineering. My mom had a '84/85 Skyhawk that, while nice looking and well-appointed, had an anemic engine and lots of small issues.


Yeah, they were ubiquitous as a whole. I was always partial to the two door hatchback versions. The wagons weren't bad either.

But based on the dozens of various versions that were owned by my high school classmates, 100% of the headliners failed and dropped by 1994.
 
2022-09-25 8:55:15 PM  

clkeagle: spiralscratch: clkeagle: Streetwise Hercules: Not listed: Lincoln Blackwood, the luxury pickup truck.

They're missing a few of the normal softballs. The Blackwood, the Cadillac Cimmaron, the Pontiac Aztek...

Maybe technically but the GM J-Type was highly successful for some other divisions, e.g., the Chevy Cavalier and Pontiac Sunbird (plus the Olds and Buick versions).

Quirky car, though, a good example of '80s American vehicle engineering. My mom had a '84/85 Skyhawk that, while nice looking and well-appointed, had an anemic engine and lots of small issues.

Yeah, they were ubiquitous as a whole. I was always partial to the two door hatchback versions. The wagons weren't bad either.

But based on the dozens of various versions that were owned by my high school classmates, 100% of the headliners failed and dropped by 1994.


1987 Sunbird owner, can confirm headliner issue.  It had automatic half-headlight covers that cost me a week of McDonald's wages to repair, too.  And once the throttle line wrapped itself around its mount and caused uncontrolled acceleration which ended with a fun e-brake yanking. I put it out if its mercy by hydroplaning it into a bus.
 
2022-09-25 9:25:03 PM  

natazha: Edsel - questionable styling choices, a lack of market research

Oh, they researched it plenty, piece by piece, but never showed the whole package to anyone outside the firm until it was in production.


But the car was pretty good, engineering wise
 
2022-09-25 9:30:54 PM  

clkeagle: spiralscratch: clkeagle: Streetwise Hercules: Not listed: Lincoln Blackwood, the luxury pickup truck.

They're missing a few of the normal softballs. The Blackwood, the Cadillac Cimmaron, the Pontiac Aztek...

Maybe technically but the GM J-Type was highly successful for some other divisions, e.g., the Chevy Cavalier and Pontiac Sunbird (plus the Olds and Buick versions).

Quirky car, though, a good example of '80s American vehicle engineering. My mom had a '84/85 Skyhawk that, while nice looking and well-appointed, had an anemic engine and lots of small issues.

Yeah, they were ubiquitous as a whole. I was always partial to the two door hatchback versions. The wagons weren't bad either.

But based on the dozens of various versions that were owned by my high school classmates, 100% of the headliners failed and dropped by 1994.


My band parking lot was a hodgepodge from hell, 3 Gen 1 mustangs, several Beatles, on Thing, one 62 SS, my new Ranger, various 70's land yachts , coulple of blazers, some brand new Honda's, one screaming chicken trans am, and a couple is ratted out 70's Japanese mini trucks, one with a set of really sketchy aftermarket t tops
 
2022-09-25 9:36:50 PM  

pheelix: WordsnCollision: This "article" was supposed to be highly successful, until it was not.

"There were rather a few faults surrounding the Edsel, after all, the brand was technically busy with their first-ever car."

[i.guim.co.uk image 360x216]

Edsel was supposed to be a division, filling a market niche between Ford and Mercury.


And that was the problem.  Mercury was already the market niche between Ford and Lincoln.  There wasn't a need to split the difference between Ford and Mercury with nothing specific to set it apart.  Much like Buick and Oldsmobile, both vying for the same customers for the most part.
 
2022-09-25 10:43:35 PM  

pheelix: Ford and Mercury.


What a Ford and a Mercury might look like:

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1950 Ford/1949 Mercury
 
2022-09-25 11:15:05 PM  

baka-san: clkeagle: spiralscratch: clkeagle: Streetwise Hercules: Not listed: Lincoln Blackwood, the luxury pickup truck.

They're missing a few of the normal softballs. The Blackwood, the Cadillac Cimmaron, the Pontiac Aztek...

Maybe technically but the GM J-Type was highly successful for some other divisions, e.g., the Chevy Cavalier and Pontiac Sunbird (plus the Olds and Buick versions).

Quirky car, though, a good example of '80s American vehicle engineering. My mom had a '84/85 Skyhawk that, while nice looking and well-appointed, had an anemic engine and lots of small issues.

Yeah, they were ubiquitous as a whole. I was always partial to the two door hatchback versions. The wagons weren't bad either.

But based on the dozens of various versions that were owned by my high school classmates, 100% of the headliners failed and dropped by 1994.

My band parking lot was a hodgepodge from hell, 3 Gen 1 mustangs, several Beatles, on Thing, one 62 SS, my new Ranger, various 70's land yachts , coulple of blazers, some brand new Honda's, one screaming chicken trans am, and a couple is ratted out 70's Japanese mini trucks, one with a set of really sketchy aftermarket t tops


Holy crap!

Where you in a marching band? You know, most rock bands are like, 4 people.
 
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