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Man On A Mission [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:15:56 AM  
9 votes:

optikeye: Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.


Not even close. Is Home-Cooked Food Cheaper Than Fast Food? Yes.

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Man On A Mission [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:28:42 AM  
9 votes:

optikeye: Apples/Oranges.


The proper response would have been, "I am completely wrong and feel bad for pushing the utterly ridiculous claim that cooking at home is more expensive than eating out."

But hey, no one ever admits they are wrong online.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:15:36 AM  
7 votes:
..and you know you can buy Lettuce 'outside the bag', buy the head but for much cheaper. Crazy, yeah I know.
And WTF is up with "La Croix" designer water. Geeze. Your problem isn't 'high food costs' lady...it's *you*.
 
EnderWiggnz [BareFark]
2022-09-25 10:29:18 AM  
7 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: The lady in the article went from making fresh tomato sauce to the jar kind. That's not healthier.  She went from bulk to shiat on sale. No real savings there. Bulk chicken is still cheaper than buying chicken on sale.
/The people that thought ahead brought a deep freezer a decade ago.


There are som things that just aren't worth the time to cook from scratch as the convenience is just better than the small boost in nutrition/flavor.  Canned tomatoes and spaghetti sauces are prime among them.  Look at the ingredients, and avoid the HFCS and salty ones.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:11:44 AM  
6 votes:
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JFC if you're buying 3 farken gallons of milk before it goes bad. You have a breeding problem, not a bread problem.
Oh...but nice call on the "Symbolic Sacrificial" asparagus .
 
marklar2012 [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:30:49 AM  
6 votes:
We're dealing with some unprecedented grocery consolidation here in California... Few years ago lost regional chain Safeway/Vons to Kroger, and just this year lost SaveMart/Lucky to a hedge fund.

Hard to tell what's actually a price commodity rising VS corporate gouging during turbulent times
 
SuperSeriousMan
2022-09-25 9:44:06 AM  
6 votes:

optikeye: Nothing you do for "Healthy" isn't going to make a dang bit of diffrence if the kids (or others) don't actually eat it.


How to tell everyone you're a bad cook without telling everyone you're a bad cook.
 
The Exit Stencilist
2022-09-25 9:24:59 AM  
4 votes:

offacue: FWIW, we usually get a nice loaf of french bread to go with sunday dinner but yesterday at the grocery store it was $5 a loaf so we didn't.  I suppose they're right you know.


For less than $3.00 you can buy a small bag of flour and some yeast and make a few French boules. But I realize that's too difficult for most Americans who prefer everything to be premade and as ultra-processed with preservatives and fillers as possible
 
The Exit Stencilist
2022-09-25 9:33:59 AM  
4 votes:

optikeye: The Exit Stencilist: offacue: FWIW, we usually get a nice loaf of french bread to go with sunday dinner but yesterday at the grocery store it was $5 a loaf so we didn't.  I suppose they're right you know.

For less than $3.00 you can buy a small bag of flour and some yeast and make a few French boules. But I realize that's too difficult for most Americans who prefer everything to be premade and as ultra-processed with preservatives and fillers as possible

We make our own bread, pizza dough.
Tho, I tend to use 000 Caupto Flour.
Which is probably too difficult for "MOST" Americans.
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Fancy flour, nice. I just use gold medal most the time, because I'm basic like that

But yeah, if more people made their own food, they'd save good money and be happier, healthier and several pounds lighter for it
 
robodog
2022-09-25 3:58:06 PM  
4 votes:

optikeye: drjekel_mrhyde: The lady in the article went from making fresh tomato sauce to the jar kind. That's not healthier.  She went from bulk to shiat on sale. No real savings there. Bulk chicken is still cheaper than buying chicken on sale.
/The people that thought ahead brought a deep freezer a decade ago.

LOL...
The electricity cost of a deep freezer is expensive.
And for the chest model...stuff tends to get overlooked and languashes in the bottom of the freezer, lurking.


No, it's not, at all.  The average upright freezer uses 45W on average, that's around the cost savings from 2 meals based on what I can save by buying a half cow with my brothers. Heck, the purchase price and operating cost for the first decade get paid off in the first order or two.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:06:17 AM  
3 votes:
Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.
Unless you're talking a bag of beans and a sack of rice...because if you are, fark you.

/and I can make a dang beans and rice stuff. It's can just get boring tho.
 
drjekel_mrhyde
2022-09-25 10:06:41 AM  
3 votes:
The lady in the article went from making fresh tomato sauce to the jar kind. That's not healthier.  She went from bulk to shiat on sale. No real savings there. Bulk chicken is still cheaper than buying chicken on sale.
/The people that thought ahead brought a deep freezer a decade ago.
 
10Speed
2022-09-25 1:05:50 PM  
3 votes:

Man On A Mission: optikeye: Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.

Not even close. Is Home-Cooked Food Cheaper Than Fast Food? Yes.

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Yup. When I finally decided to start cooking for myself because I was sick of paying for takeout, I discovered it was not only cheaper but healthier.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:24:49 AM  
2 votes:

Man On A Mission: optikeye: Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.

Not even close. Is Home-Cooked Food Cheaper Than Fast Food? Yes.

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Apples/Oranges.
The stuff you get from the 'cheap' bit your posting. Isn't gonna cook itself.
And PLEASE don't put coke on that menu item as 'fast food'. Geeze.
Yeah...we can make burgers, fries, and even OPEN A CAN OF COKE at home.
But often we don't.
So, tell us what you do.
Heck, right now I have a pot of beans soaking and whole chicken in the fridge the SO cooked last night.

Nothing you do for "Healthy" isn't going to make a dang bit of diffrence if the kids (or others) don't actually eat it.
 
Ragin' Asian [recently expired TotalFark]
2022-09-25 10:00:41 AM  
2 votes:
If you're shopping at a supermarket, you're paying for the convenience of having everything in one place and marketing for name brand products.

If you're lucky enough to have access to them, go to farmer's markets, butcher shops, and bakers.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 10:05:02 AM  
2 votes:
Should have given a link for the tray.
https://www.amazon.com/BIA-White-Divided-TV-Tray/dp/B001671PV4
 
natazha [BareFark]
2022-09-25 10:34:53 AM  
2 votes:
Whole Foods - there's your problem.

I do agree with restaurant prices getting a bit much, particularly when they tack on 18% or more for "tips". On the other hand, we stopped at our favorite Thai place yesterday because we were up in the area and three dishes, ~$40, will provide six meals, each, for my wife and I.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 10:40:02 AM  
2 votes:

EnderWiggnz: drjekel_mrhyde: The lady in the article went from making fresh tomato sauce to the jar kind. That's not healthier.  She went from bulk to shiat on sale. No real savings there. Bulk chicken is still cheaper than buying chicken on sale.
/The people that thought ahead brought a deep freezer a decade ago.

There are som things that just aren't worth the time to cook from scratch as the convenience is just better than the small boost in nutrition/flavor.  Canned tomatoes and spaghetti sauces are prime among them.  Look at the ingredients, and avoid the HFCS and salty ones.


I tend to disagree.
I mostly use canned tomatoes for 'red sauce'. Paul Newman's sauce....
Yup, I 'fancy it up, with a bit of ham, fresh onion, some dried herbs...a finish with flourish of fresh basil if we got it...
but  simmer 'all day' style. The Can isn't the problem. Heck, canned tomatos are often much better than crappy out of season 'fresh' tomatoes.
 
10Speed
2022-09-25 1:16:07 PM  
2 votes:

optikeye: EnderWiggnz: drjekel_mrhyde: The lady in the article went from making fresh tomato sauce to the jar kind. That's not healthier.  She went from bulk to shiat on sale. No real savings there. Bulk chicken is still cheaper than buying chicken on sale.
/The people that thought ahead brought a deep freezer a decade ago.

There are som things that just aren't worth the time to cook from scratch as the convenience is just better than the small boost in nutrition/flavor.  Canned tomatoes and spaghetti sauces are prime among them.  Look at the ingredients, and avoid the HFCS and salty ones.

I tend to disagree.
I mostly use canned tomatoes for 'red sauce'. Paul Newman's sauce....
Yup, I 'fancy it up, with a bit of ham, fresh onion, some dried herbs...a finish with flourish of fresh basil if we got it...
but  simmer 'all day' style. The Can isn't the problem. Heck, canned tomatos are often much better than crappy out of season 'fresh' tomatoes.


I have to disagree on this front too. One of my favorite things to cook is a Sunday gravy with sausage, pork chops and homemade meatballs. It's at least four hours in the kitchen and it is expensive with all of the ingredients, but it is so good, and there is something so satisfying and peaceful in the whole process. I can't wait until it cools down enough here to cook it again.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-26 7:18:06 AM  
2 votes:

Colonel_Angus: It never seems to take very long for one of Fark's legion of morons to show up and tout how cheap it is to eat fast food compared to eating a healthy diet.  That the evidence contradicts it is irrelevant -- it's become pretty clear that the sheer repetition has resulted in more people believing it than not.  The cost difference becomes even more exaggerated if you factor in the larger clothes (as you get fatter and fatter from eating garbage food) and the spiraling healthcare costs (because fatter usually equates to getting sicker).

Though I vote Democrat, I'm glad we have plenty of Republicans who will do everything in their power to prevent universal tax-supported healthcare from ever happening.  Because all of the data makes it clear we're overwhelmingly a nation of fat f*cking morons whose only concern when it comes to health is healthcare.


Why the Fark are you so concerned about 'other people' and what they eat.
JFC. Chill...and stop 'name calling' you farken idiot. And MORON is a medical classification.


And waving the "I'm a liberal" flag doesn't make you look better.
I'm gay...do you hate gay people....DO YOU? You gay hater person.

Just having a McD and fries doesn't make you a 'fatty' FAT faken Moron.

Do you want to call Julia Child a MORON. DO YOU? YOU GAY HATER PERSON THAT HATES 
*JULIA FARKEN CHILD*

1995 Clip: Julia Child on McDonald's French Fries
Youtube DF31qCrclC0
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 9:29:18 AM  
1 vote:

The Exit Stencilist: offacue: FWIW, we usually get a nice loaf of french bread to go with sunday dinner but yesterday at the grocery store it was $5 a loaf so we didn't.  I suppose they're right you know.

For less than $3.00 you can buy a small bag of flour and some yeast and make a few French boules. But I realize that's too difficult for most Americans who prefer everything to be premade and as ultra-processed with preservatives and fillers as possible


We make our own bread, pizza dough.
Tho, I tend to use 000 Caupto Flour.
Which is probably too difficult for "MOST" Americans.
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optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 10:12:27 AM  
1 vote:

olrasputin: optikeye: olrasputin: Real cooks don't need anything but a bag of hydrogen atoms and an energy source.

Dude...That's one of the themes I won't be doing this Halloween for 'reasons'.
Tho, I have planned. I have some tubes, to stuff with 'stuff' and these lovely ceramic TV trays.
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Tho I make better food then that pale crap in the pic.

My (smart) dog might eat some of that. Maybe. (The dumb one would eat the farkin' tray too.)


one thing we suggested for the neice. for her "bake sale" was make dog biscuits for sale.
People will be dog biscuits instead of cat counter top grade school cookies.
And you can get clever little cookie cutters.
Plenty of recipes online to make up some paper bags for xmas gifts.

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optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 10:15:56 AM  
1 vote:

drjekel_mrhyde: The lady in the article went from making fresh tomato sauce to the jar kind. That's not healthier.  She went from bulk to shiat on sale. No real savings there. Bulk chicken is still cheaper than buying chicken on sale.
/The people that thought ahead brought a deep freezer a decade ago.


LOL...
The electricity cost of a deep freezer is expensive.
And for the chest model...stuff tends to get overlooked and languashes in the bottom of the freezer, lurking.
 
cryinoutloud [BareFark]
2022-09-25 10:20:40 AM  
1 vote:

The Exit Stencilist: optikeye: The Exit Stencilist: offacue: FWIW, we usually get a nice loaf of french bread to go with sunday dinner but yesterday at the grocery store it was $5 a loaf so we didn't.  I suppose they're right you know.
For less than $3.00 you can buy a small bag of flour and some yeast and make a few French boules. But I realize that's too difficult for most Americans who prefer everything to be premade and as ultra-processed with preservatives and fillers as possible
We make our own bread, pizza dough.
Tho, I tend to use 000 Caupto Flour.
Which is probably too difficult for "MOST" Americans.
[media-amazon.com image 850x584]
Fancy flour, nice. I just use gold medal most the time, because I'm basic like that
But yeah, if more people made their own food, they'd save good money and be happier, healthier and several pounds lighter for it


How dare you. Their time is MONEY, and they don't have enough yet.
Don't you all get it?  It's not a different subject, it's the same farking thing I always bithc about--your work and your money has become more important than living your life.  We have a fast food culture BECAUSE we have a work culture--hang on, I have something obnoxious I can post--

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We have frozen food and frozen pizza and enough dining establishments to choke a hog BECAUSE we base  our lives around work, and eating is not a positive financial outlay.  It actually costs you money and then you have to shiat it out--that takes time-- and god forbid that you actually have to COOK something, because you aren't making any money then.

the millennials have now based an entire subculture on dining out and being waited on, because that's what signals your financial success--not being able to do a farking thing for yourself.  And if you can be waited on in Spain or Cabo, your Instagram fans will be smoking with envy.  You're cooking up a tan, but you don't COOK.

And you have to think about it, what to eat and how to cook it, and then there's that trip to the store, and you have to deal with all those fat people, and the whole time you're thinking, "What's the financial benefit to me with all this?"  Besides better mental and physical health, but besides THAT.  That crap is costing you money, and there are people, people with less worth than you have, who do that stuff.

It's nothing but a positive financial move to be waited on like a baby, at least the way we've set up our economy at this point.  It's all about YOU, baby, you baby, with your positive financial outlook and your army of faceless servants.
Cooking. That's for low-net worth individuals. You see people doing that at the many places you stop in to.  It's fascinating, like watching people work at a slaughterhouse.

/don't blame me. I learned this on Fark.
 
iron_city_ap
2022-09-25 11:41:23 AM  
1 vote:
My conservative friends .like to make fun of me for cutting down on the amount of junk food I buy to offset the cost increase of healthy food.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 1:58:44 PM  
1 vote:

optikeye: Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.
Unless you're talking a bag of beans and a sack of rice...because if you are, fark you.

/and I can make a dang beans and rice stuff. It's can just get boring tho.


Actually, both HEB and Spouts will put bagged salads on clearance for half price. 2 bucks for a complete salad does beat 5 bucks for a 🍔.  Why is 🍞 & a fatty patty 5 bucks? Seriously wtf!!!!!
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 2:03:33 PM  
1 vote:

Man On A Mission: optikeye: Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.

Not even close. Is Home-Cooked Food Cheaper Than Fast Food? Yes.

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Those numbers leave out a stocked pantry. Without that all that food is going to be bland.
Boiled plain no salt food taste like hell.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 2:10:04 PM  
1 vote:

optikeye: olrasputin: Real cooks don't need anything but a bag of hydrogen atoms and an energy source.

Dude...That's one of the themes I won't be doing this Halloween for 'reasons'.
Tho, I have planned. I have some tubes, to stuff with 'stuff' and these lovely ceramic TV trays.
[images.vat19.com image 600x372]

Tho I make better food then that pale crap in the pic.


Put the meat where the fruit is. Place vegetables in all remaining slots. Fixed that for you.  You'll live longer.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-25 2:52:08 PM  
1 vote:

waxbeans: Put the meat where the fruit is. Place vegetables in all remaining slots. Fixed that for you.  You'll live longer.


Oh yeah....I get more years to spend drooling in bed with diapers looking for the remote. What's the point there?
 
assjuice
2022-09-25 3:13:47 PM  
1 vote:

waxbeans: optikeye: [cdn.cnn.com image 850x478]
JFC if you're buying 3 farken gallons of milk before it goes bad. You have a breeding problem, not a bread problem.
Oh...but nice call on the "Symbolic Sacrificial" asparagus .

When I was a kid I drank milk like it was water.
My ex didn't.
My mom didn't.
Guess who both lost teeth and who didn't


Are the two of you actually different people?
 
Colonel_Angus
2022-09-26 6:54:39 AM  
1 vote:
It never seems to take very long for one of Fark's legion of morons to show up and tout how cheap it is to eat fast food compared to eating a healthy diet.  That the evidence contradicts it is irrelevant -- it's become pretty clear that the sheer repetition has resulted in more people believing it than not.  The cost difference becomes even more exaggerated if you factor in the larger clothes (as you get fatter and fatter from eating garbage food) and the spiraling healthcare costs (because fatter usually equates to getting sicker).

Though I vote Democrat, I'm glad we have plenty of Republicans who will do everything in their power to prevent universal tax-supported healthcare from ever happening.  Because all of the data makes it clear we're overwhelmingly a nation of fat f*cking morons whose only concern when it comes to health is healthcare.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-09-26 2:06:12 PM  
1 vote:

Colonel_Angus: It never seems to take very long for one of Fark's legion of morons to show up and tout how cheap it is to eat fast food compared to eating a healthy diet.  That the evidence contradicts it is irrelevant -- it's become pretty clear that the sheer repetition has resulted in more people believing it than not.  The cost difference becomes even more exaggerated if you factor in the larger clothes (as you get fatter and fatter from eating garbage food) and the spiraling healthcare costs (because fatter usually equates to getting sicker).

Though I vote Democrat, I'm glad we have plenty of Republicans who will do everything in their power to prevent universal tax-supported healthcare from ever happening.  Because all of the data makes it clear we're overwhelmingly a nation of fat f*cking morons whose only concern when it comes to health is healthcare.


Jfc. Split the difference.  Tax fast-food and junk food and use that money to offset the shiat you are crying about like a farking baby.  Jfc.

And you are calling others stupid ?


Also. Having a full pantry, washing dishes, replacing dishes, replacing pans, finding the best deal on raw goods, and cooking time and learning to cook well. That all cost money mother farker.
Fast food taste better than a failed meal .
You act like people can afford to trash a failed meal attempt.

/
I say this as someone who can actually cook. Who has cooked since I was 6?
Who was a latch key kid.
Who loved cooking shows as a ten year old.
Frugal gourmet. Crazy Cajun.
Who loves  Anthony bordean, man vs food, and bizarre eats.
I went to college for culinary arts.
My onion soup is better than landry's.
//
Cooking is something you have to learn.  And ruined food isn't free. And it's easy to fark up a pot of food. And only well informed people know how to reverse things. I can't and I cooking regularly.
///
I can tell tales of ruined meals. For days. The tales live on because it was hard times and we didn't have food to replace that farked food.
////
You don't get how bad tasting food is demoralizing.  Lucky you.
 
waxbeans [TotalFark]
2022-09-26 2:20:14 PM  
1 vote:

One Size Fits Some: optikeye: Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.
Unless you're talking a bag of beans and a sack of rice...because if you are, fark you.

/and I can make a dang beans and rice stuff. It's can just get boring tho.

That's something I always hear but never really see, even though I've said it myself many times. I guess if you compare one mcdouble per person to a 12 ingredient  salad per person it works, or a pizza divided by 4 versus 4 steaks or something.


Two tomatoes and two cucumbers make a half loaf of sandwiches.
But. The catch is you need some kind of dressing, or salt and pepper or lime juice or transversely awesome bread?
Even simple meals are better with a panty.
And stocking one is expensive. I haven't had more than two jars of condiments for two years.  And my panty is Ramen packets. And cinnamon.  And curry mixed spices.  Black pepper whole. Bouillon. Sea salt. Cloves. Sage. Some different pastas, noodles, beans, lentils, and vermicelli.

So even with that I need to buy some protein or vegetables to make something from the above.
I've been lucky.  I've been getting by, buying clearance bag complete salads.  And clearance chicken. Between that and my modest pantry I get along. I feel awful for people who can't cook. Those people eat awful meals get rich and make awful voting choices.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]
2022-09-26 2:35:52 PM  
1 vote:
You people will starve to death in a real emergency.
Not even a can of soup or some dried pasta on hand.
"Oh, the canned soup is expired" --- no, Monk, that's a "best by date".
or OMG this salt has gone bad....let's toss it.
And unless spiders and moths fly out of the  bag, dried rice is pretty much shelf stable for ages.
 
One Size Fits Some
2022-09-26 2:38:34 PM  
1 vote:

waxbeans: One Size Fits Some: optikeye: Fast food is much cheaper than healthy 'fresh' foods.
Unless you're talking a bag of beans and a sack of rice...because if you are, fark you.

/and I can make a dang beans and rice stuff. It's can just get boring tho.

That's something I always hear but never really see, even though I've said it myself many times. I guess if you compare one mcdouble per person to a 12 ingredient  salad per person it works, or a pizza divided by 4 versus 4 steaks or something.

Two tomatoes and two cucumbers make a half loaf of sandwiches.
But. The catch is you need some kind of dressing, or salt and pepper or lime juice or transversely awesome bread?
Even simple meals are better with a panty.
And stocking one is expensive. I haven't had more than two jars of condiments for two years.  And my panty is Ramen packets. And cinnamon.  And curry mixed spices.  Black pepper whole. Bouillon. Sea salt. Cloves. Sage. Some different pastas, noodles, beans, lentils, and vermicelli.

So even with that I need to buy some protein or vegetables to make something from the above.
I've been lucky.  I've been getting by, buying clearance bag complete salads.  And clearance chicken. Between that and my modest pantry I get along. I feel awful for people who can't cook. Those people eat awful meals get rich and make awful voting choices.


Stocking a pantry can be expensive, but once you have a handful of things you're mostly set. Fast food may be the lower price for a single meal or single day depending on what you get, but over the course of a week it is farcheaper to eat the equivalent or better quality meals at home.
I'm not saying that everyone should eat at home all the time, as I mostly don't care what other people do. But the idea that eating out is cheaper is just not true in most instances.
 
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