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(Onion AV Club)   It's time for a time jump as the Targaryen family appears close to fracturing. Alicent worries Rhaenyra is going to kill her kids. Does Daemon still have the hots for his cousin? Are the Hightowers set for betrayal? House Of The Dragon, 9PM ET on HBO   (avclub.com) divider line
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2022-09-25 4:58:59 PM  
We never see him have the hots foe his cousin. We do see him having the hots for his niece.
 
2022-09-25 8:46:36 PM  
I feel like this will be the make or break episode for the season. I am hoping it will make it.
 
2022-09-25 8:47:30 PM  
I'm gonna miss the junior varsity.
 
2022-09-25 8:55:40 PM  
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2022-09-25 8:59:13 PM  
Someone give me heads up when it starts on regular HBO. It dropped already on HBOmax
 
2022-09-25 9:02:20 PM  
They're really rushing through this to get to the war.
 
2022-09-25 9:07:01 PM  

eagles95: Someone give me heads up when it starts on regular HBO. It dropped already on HBOmax


It's started on regular HBO (9pm ET)
 
2022-09-25 9:10:52 PM  
Joffrey....ugg
 
2022-09-25 9:14:36 PM  
If the extant lore on the Targaeryans is at all accurate, the show has been a really poor enactment of it. The last episode made me roll my eyes. Worst Red Wedding ever.
 
2022-09-25 9:21:14 PM  
The King's Lego set has expanded, I see.
 
2022-09-25 9:23:54 PM  
Oh hey Homelander
 
2022-09-25 9:28:09 PM  
Daemon hasn't aged a day!
 
2022-09-25 9:35:34 PM  
I wonder if the show will ever cover Brynden River's trip to the wall and beyond?
 
2022-09-25 9:41:23 PM  
Ser Fred Armisen
 
2022-09-25 9:50:01 PM  
Lactargaryen.
 
2022-09-25 9:50:34 PM  

karl2025: They're really rushing through this to get to the war.


It's the only interesting part of the story, so yeah.
 
2022-09-25 10:34:23 PM  
This show and the LOTR one on Amazon both face the same problem:

Too much exposition, not enough action.

I have trouble staying awake for both because there are too many new people to introduce and too much backstory to expose so when we eventually get to the big battle, we have context for who is doing what, why, and for what reason.

It makes for extremely boring TV - especially because of the long jumps forward in time each episode with little context. At least with the LOTR movies and the original GoT, there was a pretty clear direction we were heading and a definite endpoint we could count down to reaching. Since I didn't read the GoT books, I'm still waiting to figure out where we'll be in the end.

It also means that I have very little emotional buy-in with any of the characters. The stakes don't seem that high and nobody really seems to care all that much.
 
2022-09-25 10:41:25 PM  

togaman2k: This show and the LOTR one on Amazon both face the same problem:

Too much exposition, not enough action.

I have trouble staying awake for both because there are too many new people to introduce and too much backstory to expose so when we eventually get to the big battle, we have context for who is doing what, why, and for what reason.

It makes for extremely boring TV - especially because of the long jumps forward in time each episode with little context. At least with the LOTR movies and the original GoT, there was a pretty clear direction we were heading and a definite endpoint we could count down to reaching. Since I didn't read the GoT books, I'm still waiting to figure out where we'll be in the end.

It also means that I have very little emotional buy-in with any of the characters. The stakes don't seem that high and nobody really seems to care all that much.


With HOD, it doesn't seem like we even need any of this exposition. It could have just begun with the king's death and gone right into the struggle for the crown, and the important backstory bits could have been filled in along the way.
 
2022-09-25 10:42:10 PM  
Stuff happened, looks like more exciting stufff will happen but my issue is I honestly don't care who wins there isn't a side or a character I am pulling for cause everyone seems to suck in their own way.

I feel like this series is exactly what GoT would of been if they only told it about the Lannisters just a bunch of bad/selfish people doing bad things and no one really cares about cause they are bad and selfish from the start.

I am curious as to see if Matt Smiths Characters gets a redemption story but that is about it.
 
2022-09-25 10:58:06 PM  

thornhill: togaman2k: This show and the LOTR one on Amazon both face the same problem:

Too much exposition, not enough action.

I have trouble staying awake for both because there are too many new people to introduce and too much backstory to expose so when we eventually get to the big battle, we have context for who is doing what, why, and for what reason.

It makes for extremely boring TV - especially because of the long jumps forward in time each episode with little context. At least with the LOTR movies and the original GoT, there was a pretty clear direction we were heading and a definite endpoint we could count down to reaching. Since I didn't read the GoT books, I'm still waiting to figure out where we'll be in the end.

It also means that I have very little emotional buy-in with any of the characters. The stakes don't seem that high and nobody really seems to care all that much.

With HOD, it doesn't seem like we even need any of this exposition. It could have just begun with the king's death and gone right into the struggle for the crown, and the important backstory bits could have been filled in along the way.


Right. The timeline is so long that you only can get these short vignettes about each of the characters and their motivations.

GoT was compact enough that you could dwell on each character, their emotions, and the complex social structures guiding their actions.

I know HoD is going to end up with a 90-minute battle in the last episode, so everything leading up to it feels like filler. We're all just waiting for the inevitable instead of enjoying the ride.
 
2022-09-25 11:14:37 PM  
Thank goodness they went back to making everything muddied and brown. There were some green trees last week which put me right off.
 
2022-09-25 11:21:59 PM  
I like HoD because it's showing fairly decent people screwing up the future. Even Daemon is settling down.  Weak, jealous people are going to blow it all up
 
jvl [BareFark]
2022-09-25 11:31:31 PM  
Any empathy I had for the characters didn't carry over into the recast.  Especially since the "full of life" feeling of the first Rhaenyra actor is entirely absent from the second.
 
2022-09-25 11:32:40 PM  

All American Commenter: Stuff happened, looks like more exciting stufff will happen but my issue is I honestly don't care who wins there isn't a side or a character I am pulling for cause everyone seems to suck in their own way.


This. Who are we supposed to be rooting for here? And if the answer is no one, why should I get invested? The show has some good scenes every week and it also has plenty of people that could make quality antagonists, but it's simply held back by those very questions.
 
2022-09-25 11:48:02 PM  

Tannhauser: I like HoD because it's showing fairly decent people screwing up the future. Even Daemon is settling down.  Weak, jealous people are going to blow it all up


That is really what I am hoping tor with him, like I don't need him to turn into some sort of Lawful Good Paladin that will eventually ride in on his dragon and save the day.

But when he talked about being tired of the BS and the backstabbing and can at least respect the Dragons for Gold offer they were made cause it was simpe and straightforward. It seemed like growth for him as a character and hopefully will be interesting to see where it leads.
 
2022-09-25 11:48:34 PM  
My HBO Max subscription expires tomorrow, so this is the last episode of the show I'll watch. Wasn't anywhere near good enough to get me to subscribe for another month.
 
2022-09-26 12:22:28 AM  
I'm still really enjoying this. Am I attached to many of the characters? Not really (though I feel bad for Viserys, despite the fact that he is literally his own worst problem).

I'm getting the feeling that like GoT, this isn't a story about the parents. It's a story about how their farkups make their children clean up their own messes.

You're not rooting for Alicent, Daemon, or Rhaena because honestly, they're the bad guys. And since it's GoT, even the good guys are probably doing shiat they shouldn't.

And I'm cool with that, because in the Game of Thrones you win or you die.

...I suspect much more of the latter than of a derth of winners.
 
2022-09-26 12:30:48 AM  

togaman2k: This show and the LOTR one on Amazon both face the same problem:

Too much exposition, not enough action.

I have trouble staying awake for both because there are too many new people to introduce and too much backstory to expose so when we eventually get to the big battle, we have context for who is doing what, why, and for what reason.

It makes for extremely boring TV - especially because of the long jumps forward in time each episode with little context. At least with the LOTR movies and the original GoT, there was a pretty clear direction we were heading and a definite endpoint we could count down to reaching. Since I didn't read the GoT books, I'm still waiting to figure out where we'll be in the end.

It also means that I have very little emotional buy-in with any of the characters. The stakes don't seem that high and nobody really seems to care all that much.


Oh hey, I wanted to read your post in its entirety, but I kept falling asleep💤

Just so much exposition.
 
2022-09-26 6:37:45 AM  
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2022-09-26 6:54:04 AM  

jvl: Any empathy I had for the characters didn't carry over into the recast.  Especially since the "full of life" feeling of the first Rhaenyra actor is entirely absent from the second.


Making her just another baby factory was a bit disappointing .
 
2022-09-26 8:23:00 AM  
Yeah, I don't care for the new two actresses yet.  Alicent doesn't look close to the same either.  I do like the king still working on his model city with no signs of the real one even starting.  A small king with the legacy of a small city.

Even the rat crawling about is a symbol of the decay of the kingship.
 
2022-09-26 8:23:33 AM  

jvl: Any empathy I had for the characters didn't carry over into the recast.  Especially since the "full of life" feeling of the first Rhaenyra actor is entirely absent from the second.


See -- I think it works:  This is Rhae after what - 10 years of 'doing her duty' - she's 'free' to do what she wants because she's fixin to be HBOC - but she's also cemented in duty, so where is the fun in her 'free' life?  It's wearing on her and she's bored AF because she's living the duty of a baby machine and she is stuck in a life she can't enjoy.

(I mean...she had to trudge up to the king immediately after birth because Queen got issues:  If you, in all  your 'power' still have to go when summoned - while you are literally actively  bleeding....the luster of your power would get a bit of tarnish on it.)
 
2022-09-26 11:29:28 AM  
I think the new actors are more skilled than the young ones, but the switch is jarring. Why even do that? They should have aged them up a bit at the beginning and then hired actors in the middle of the two ages and used makeup and costuming to make them look younger.

On the whole, I like the show well enough so far. It seems like it's going somewhere interesting, but the pacing of the exposition could be better.
 
2022-09-26 1:16:26 PM  
Would it kill them to make one likable character? Or to include even the slightest bit of humor in this series? Where's the Tyrion-like character to break up the monotony of these miserable pukes?
 
2022-09-26 1:32:51 PM  
I don't like the ten year jumps between episodes and the new actors portraying the old characters is bizarre to me.

At this rate, by the end of season 2 they should be up to the time of the start of the original series.
 
2022-09-26 1:45:51 PM  

ltdanman44: I don't like the ten year jumps between episodes and the new actors portraying the old characters is bizarre to me.


Let's just admit we miss Milly and want her back:
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2022-09-26 1:53:52 PM  
My main criticisms of the show thus far are as follows: too many scenes of childbirth, not enough sword fights.

Also the one main sword fight scene they did have a few episodes back was garbage. One dude just cuts down like 20 guys who all rush him one by one. That is the definition of a bad and unrealistic battle scene right there.

Other than that it's fine. I don't feel the need to "like" and "root for" any of the characters, but even if I did, what exactly is so bad about Rhaneyra? Isn't she being set up to be the one you root for? I mean she's shrewd and bold and so far hasn't done anything immoral. The characters are shades of grey with realistic faults and actions that are consistent with their character traits. It's good writing, what's not to like?
 
2022-09-26 2:46:51 PM  

forstmeister: Would it kill them to make one likable character?


I think they want us to empathize with Rhaenyra and Alicent because of the way women are treated in the Westeros, but the writers have come up short in explaining what it would mean for the people of Westeros if Rhaenyra, Daemon, Rhaenys, etc. are the person in charge. We rooted for the Starks because they cared about the common people, as did Tyrion, whereas as Cersei didn't.

If all of the characters on HoD will be terrible leaders, then who cares who wins control of the throne?

Or to include even the slightest bit of humor in this series? Where's the Tyrion-like character to break up the monotony of these miserable pukes?

It seems like their intent is to make this show even bleaker and nihilistic than GoT.
 
2022-09-26 4:18:35 PM  
I keep hoping it gets better, but the more episodes I get into it, the more it becomes House of the Dragging On.
 
2022-09-26 4:46:27 PM  
I've been thinking and I think Alicent's my main problem.  She is mad because her BFF lied to her about getting shagged and, ten years later, is still a b***h about it.

She's clueless in the Small Council and whines so much Larys blackmails her by killing his father and brother; which also makes him lord of House Strong.

Plus, once again, she looks nothing like young Alicent which vexes me for some reason.
 
2022-09-26 5:42:24 PM  
There seems to be an internet war between this and LOTR for some reason.  I think they are both equally unremarkable.  Still watching both though.
 
2022-09-26 6:14:29 PM  
I came away from this episode feeling sad for everyone involved in the story.

What a terrible world to live in.

The dragons are cool though.
 
2022-09-26 6:43:20 PM  

thornhill: I think they want us to empathize with Rhaenyra and Alicent because of the way women are treated in the Westeros, but the writers have come up short in explaining what it would mean for the people of Westeros if Rhaenyra, Daemon, Rhaenys, etc. are the person in charge. We rooted for the Starks because they cared about the common people, as did Tyrion, whereas as Cersei didn't.


Right I mean, pretty much right off the bat, GoT establishes the Starks as "the good guys," got you thinking about the bad guys (the creepy undead things), and set up the Lannisters as a bunch of pricks and Tyrion, who was kind of a prick but maybe not all bad.

/It's what made Jaime so frustrating - great little redemption arc and then they flub the ending
//Maybe it's just that nobody gets a happy ending
///Alicent coulda been the Tyrion
 
2022-09-26 8:39:16 PM  
Another garbage episode of this garbage series. But at least I wasn't so bored I ended up playing with my phone this time. Stuff happened! And they even tried making the new littlefinger character somewhat interesting. A bold move for this plodding nonsensical show. But at least they got rid of that awful princess actress. Can't wait for this season end and its unceremoniously cancellation so I can end this self inflicted misery.
 
kab
2022-09-26 9:17:50 PM  

LazyPredator: I keep hoping it gets better, but the more episodes I get into it, the more it becomes House of the Dragging On.


House of Draggin Your Ears Through the Varied and Detailed Sounds of Childbirth
 
kab
2022-09-26 9:36:31 PM  

LucasLuminaro: There seems to be an internet war between this and LOTR for some reason.  I think they are both equally unremarkable.  Still watching both though.


The internet, for all it's self touted genius, still hasn't discovered that two shows can be watched with zero conflicts.

And I agree completely.  I enjoy them both, but somehow neither of these shows makes me say "man, I can't wait for the next episode".

Whoever's doing the writing for RoP needs to stop watching video game cut and action scenes for reference material, and start watching well crafted cinema.    Admittedly impressive visuals are not going to carry this thing through multiple seasons.... and when your most compelling character so far is Adar, there are issues.

House feels like we're 6 episodes in and it's still trying to find a pace that works.  1 through 5 dragged in spots, and 6 was absolutely rushed.  Vicerys and his setbacks are the highlight of the show so far, but it needs more.
 
2022-09-27 12:47:27 AM  

MSFT: ltdanman44: I don't like the ten year jumps between episodes and the new actors portraying the old characters is bizarre to me.

Let's just admit we miss Milly and want her back:
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Aye
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2022-09-27 6:36:08 AM  

forstmeister: Would it kill them to make one likable character? Or to include even the slightest bit of humor in this series? Where's the Tyrion-like character to break up the monotony of these miserable pukes?


Agree with this. He was great for NGAF during all the seriousness
 
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