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2022-09-24 5:33:01 PM  
Didn't he recently release a pro-Ukraine video jam thing?
 
2022-09-24 5:40:31 PM  
That must have been a big check Putin put in his Swiss account.
 
2022-09-24 5:58:14 PM  

dammit just give me a login: Didn't he recently release a pro-Ukraine video jam thing?


That was David Gilmour.
 
2022-09-24 6:10:14 PM  
He's doing a couple of concerts in L.A. in a few days. I'm not attending either of them. Then again, I wasn't planning on attending them in the first place.

I like Pink Floyd, though.
 
2022-09-24 6:32:37 PM  
Roger Waters is a talented songwriter, a solid bass player, a terrible singer, and a colossal asshole.
 
2022-09-24 6:46:04 PM  

Lambskincoat: That must have been a big check Putin put in his Swiss account.


No.  He's doing this for free.  There is a certain brand of geopolitical dipshiat that considers The West to be the font of all world evil, especially through colonialism.  That the West has done - and continues to do - colonialism and/or colonialism-lite is a perfectly valid and true thing.  But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".  It's a belif system grounded in sophmore dorm late night pot sessions of 1972, and resolutely refuses to see either nuance or temporal development.  It also ignores Russian colonialism of the other parts of the USSR, the Warsaw Pact, and other areas of the world - the USSR was not the West, so it can't do colonialism, so those acts were all perfectly good and justified.

These guys truly believe Ukraine is a stooge colony of the West, that its leadership are illegitimate and irredeemably evil, and that Russia is both righteous and above blame for anything done to the perfidious Ukrainians.  You don't have to pay them - they'll pay you to continue the Holy International March to Purge the Unclean.
 
2022-09-24 6:50:24 PM  
A palate cleanse. 
Pink Floyd║Live at Pompeii║
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2022-09-24 7:30:49 PM  

revrendjim: Roger Waters is a talented songwriter, a solid bass player, a terrible singer, and a colossal asshole.


He never hesitates to take the opportunity to be the bigger asshole.

I watched his current tour performance on YouTube and he needs to stop. His voice is shot. Probably from all the screaming he does every day.

Gilmour's voice still sounds lovely and I'd go see him live in a heartbeat.

I miss Richard Wright. A gentle soul who suffered needlessly under Roger's temper.

Nick Mason seems happy in his band and driving cars fast. Good for him. His drumming on that Ukraine single still sounds as it always has. The intro of  "Time" still sounds crazy creative use of stuff not commonly in a kit.
 
2022-09-24 9:28:49 PM  
He's always been an asshole.
 
2022-09-24 9:40:41 PM  
Roger Waters has been an asshole since forever. This isn't new.

phalamir: But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".


It's honestly like watching someone so virulently anti-<insert cause here> that they talk themselves right into whatever they were supposed to oppose in the first place. Waters is so anti-war he can't understand why Ukraine didn't just surrender to save lives.
 
2022-09-24 9:54:59 PM  
He's absolutely appalling. He'd probably support Hitler if he had been born back then. I love Pink Floyds music, but this guy is an absolute douche.
 
2022-09-24 10:39:33 PM  
I'm still waiting to hear what Eric Clapton has to say before I make up my mind.
 
2022-09-24 11:28:03 PM  
We get it, Roger. You really like peeing teenage hookers and Moscow simply has the best, yes?
 
2022-09-25 12:10:14 AM  

Gravitationally Challenged: He's absolutely appalling. He'd probably support Hitler if he had been born back then. I love Pink Floyds music, but this guy is an absolute douche.


His father was killed at Anzio, so he kinda was. I don't think he was pro-Nazi then, but I could be wrong.
 
2022-09-25 12:17:05 AM  

magneticmushroom: Gravitationally Challenged: He's absolutely appalling. He'd probably support Hitler if he had been born back then. I love Pink Floyds music, but this guy is an absolute douche.

His father was killed at Anzio, so he kinda was. I don't think he was pro-Nazi then, but I could be wrong.


Yes, I've listened to the Final Cut too. It doesn't matter. He apparently learned nothing and supports fascist douche bags. Tell me where I have this wrong?
 
2022-09-25 12:30:57 AM  

phalamir: Lambskincoat: That must have been a big check Putin put in his Swiss account.

No.  He's doing this for free.  There is a certain brand of geopolitical dipshiat that considers The West to be the font of all world evil, especially through colonialism.  That the West has done - and continues to do - colonialism and/or colonialism-lite is a perfectly valid and true thing.  But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".  It's a belif system grounded in sophmore dorm late night pot sessions of 1972, and resolutely refuses to see either nuance or temporal development.  It also ignores Russian colonialism of the other parts of the USSR, the Warsaw Pact, and other areas of the world - the USSR was not the West, so it can't do colonialism, so those acts were all perfectly good and justified.

These guys truly believe Ukraine is a stooge colony of the West, that its leadership are illegitimate and irredeemably evil, and that Russia is both righteous and above blame for anything done to the perfidious Ukrainians.  You don't have to pay them - they'll pay you to continue the Holy International March to Purge the Unclean.


I truly don't understand how they don't understand that Russia was one of the biggest imperial powers in the 20th Century, that it dominated Eastern Europe savagely and without remorse.

I mean, you got to be goddamn stupid to not realize this.
 
2022-09-25 12:38:35 AM  
Roger Waters is proof that folks often become what they once despised. I don't know what to do with that fact, though.
 
2022-09-25 12:47:36 AM  

enry: dammit just give me a login: Didn't he recently release a pro-Ukraine video jam thing?

That was David Gilmour.


Who is an absolute legend. I love me David Gilmour. He absolutely kills it on guitar.
 
2022-09-25 12:48:24 AM  

Lsherm: Roger Waters has been an asshole since forever. This isn't new.

phalamir: But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".

It's honestly like watching someone so virulently anti-<insert cause here> that they talk themselves right into whatever they were supposed to oppose in the first place. Waters is so anti-war he can't understand why Ukraine didn't just surrender to save lives.


Bingo - that would be why
 
2022-09-25 12:50:16 AM  

thanksagainandagain: Roger Waters is proof that folks often become what they once despised. I don't know what to do with that fact, though.


It's always a bit of a gut-punch to find out that a favorite actor/musician/artist is in real life a massive asshole.

It's rather baffling how someone whose work gives you such joy can come from someone who is so....anti-joy.

\And yes....I'm thinking about you Kevin Sorbo.
 
2022-09-25 12:55:42 AM  
It's so much more enjoyable going to an Australian Pink Floyd or a Brit Floyd show than a Roger Waters concert.
 
2022-09-25 12:56:56 AM  
Read that as John Waters and did a double take.
 
2022-09-25 12:58:12 AM  

Gravitationally Challenged: magneticmushroom: Gravitationally Challenged: He's absolutely appalling. He'd probably support Hitler if he had been born back then. I love Pink Floyds music, but this guy is an absolute douche.

His father was killed at Anzio, so he kinda was. I don't think he was pro-Nazi then, but I could be wrong.

Yes, I've listened to the Final Cut too. It doesn't matter. He apparently learned nothing and supports fascist douche bags. Tell me where I have this wrong?


I don't think that Waters would have been pro-Nazi, but he'd probably have been one of those who said we need to just give Germany whatever they want to stay out of a war.

His stance on this is that he is an absolute pacifist who thinks that war should always be avoided, that is it never acceptable for anything.  But what is Ukraine supposed to do here, Roger?
 
2022-09-25 1:04:22 AM  

jake_lex: Gravitationally Challenged: magneticmushroom: Gravitationally Challenged: He's absolutely appalling. He'd probably support Hitler if he had been born back then. I love Pink Floyds music, but this guy is an absolute douche.

His father was killed at Anzio, so he kinda was. I don't think he was pro-Nazi then, but I could be wrong.

Yes, I've listened to the Final Cut too. It doesn't matter. He apparently learned nothing and supports fascist douche bags. Tell me where I have this wrong?

I don't think that Waters would have been pro-Nazi, but he'd probably have been one of those who said we need to just give Germany whatever they want to stay out of a war.

His stance on this is that he is an absolute pacifist who thinks that war should always be avoided, that is it never acceptable for anything.  But what is Ukraine supposed to do here, Roger?


Lick boots and try peaceful methods of redress of course

/which absolutely does not even farking begin to work with serious authoritarians
//they'll just sarcastically thank you for making it easy
///and continue the beatings until morale improves - theirs
 
2022-09-25 1:07:39 AM  
Is he an asshole or just an idiot?  Because the idiot vibe is just so strong with him. It's so hard to tell the difference these days.
 
2022-09-25 1:08:08 AM  
I mean he was against Israel's aggressions against Palestine at one point, so he wasn't always this off the rails...
 
2022-09-25 1:09:32 AM  

TwilightZone: Is he an asshole or just an idiot?  Because the idiot vibe is just so strong with him. It's so hard to tell the difference these days.


Idiot, absolutely - when it comes to the idea of war for ANY reason he's a moral absolutist.  Which works out about as well as moral absolutism does in... anything at all
 
2022-09-25 1:21:29 AM  

jake_lex: But what is Ukraine supposed to do here, Roger?


Close her eyes and think of England?
 
2022-09-25 1:24:05 AM  
I mean it is pretty lofty talk for a guy who might possibly have had Syd Barrett drowned in a swimming pool.
 
2022-09-25 1:40:01 AM  
Was he like this before covid?
 
2022-09-25 2:04:13 AM  

Lsherm: Roger Waters has been an asshole since forever. This isn't new.

phalamir: But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".

It's honestly like watching someone so virulently anti-<insert cause here> that they talk themselves right into whatever they were supposed to oppose in the first place. Waters is so anti-war he can't understand why Ukraine didn't just surrender to save lives.


He's so anti-war he can't condemn the man who launched an invasion of another country.
 
2022-09-25 2:53:48 AM  

enry: dammit just give me a login: Didn't he recently release a pro-Ukraine video jam thing?

That was David Gilmour.


So which one is pink?
 
2022-09-25 3:45:42 AM  

phalamir: Lambskincoat: That must have been a big check Putin put in his Swiss account.

No.  He's doing this for free.  There is a certain brand of geopolitical dipshiat that considers The West to be the font of all world evil, especially through colonialism.  That the West has done - and continues to do - colonialism and/or colonialism-lite is a perfectly valid and true thing.  But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".  It's a belif system grounded in sophmore dorm late night pot sessions of 1972, and resolutely refuses to see either nuance or temporal development.  It also ignores Russian colonialism of the other parts of the USSR, the Warsaw Pact, and other areas of the world - the USSR was not the West, so it can't do colonialism, so those acts were all perfectly good and justified.

These guys truly believe Ukraine is a stooge colony of the West, that its leadership are illegitimate and irredeemably evil, and that Russia is both righteous and above blame for anything done to the perfidious Ukrainians.  You don't have to pay them - they'll pay you to continue the Holy International March to Purge the Unclean.


You're absolutely right, being a rock star doesn't make them immune from having whack-job political opinions.
 
2022-09-25 3:50:29 AM  
We knew this.
 
2022-09-25 4:16:35 AM  
Forget about his politics. Have you heard what he's done to Comfortably Numb this tour? Absolutely destroyed the best song on The Wall. This is a war crime in my book. Comfortably Number with no guitar solo ain't right.

Comfortably Numb - Roger Waters Sep.17th, 2022
Youtube us6dqIiS0PM
 
2022-09-25 4:18:43 AM  

10Speed: I mean it is pretty lofty talk for a guy who might possibly have had Syd Barrett drowned in a swimming pool.


What?
 
2022-09-25 4:51:38 AM  

Lsherm: Roger Waters has been an asshole since forever. This isn't new.

phalamir: But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".

It's honestly like watching someone so virulently anti-<insert cause here> that they talk themselves right into whatever they were supposed to oppose in the first place. Waters is so anti-war he can't understand why Ukraine didn't just surrender to save lives.


There is also people on the complete opposite side say it saying the west is the source of all evil because we allow ourselves to be ran by a combination of the Jews and intelligence agencies. This stance is starting to be really really popular amongst the message board crowd. It's insane.
 
2022-09-25 4:54:15 AM  

nyan9mm: Lsherm: Roger Waters has been an asshole since forever. This isn't new.

phalamir: But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".

It's honestly like watching someone so virulently anti-<insert cause here> that they talk themselves right into whatever they were supposed to oppose in the first place. Waters is so anti-war he can't understand why Ukraine didn't just surrender to save lives.

There is also people on the complete opposite side say it saying the west is the source of all evil because we allow ourselves to be ran by a combination of the Jews and intelligence agencies. This stance is starting to be really really popular amongst the message board crowd. It's insane.


I should have said it image board not message board, but there are some of those in the mix as well. In any case, it's online communities that are the usual suspects, and it's getting more support than you would think.
 
2022-09-25 4:55:37 AM  

nyan9mm: There is also people on the complete opposite side say it saying the west is the source of all evil because we allow ourselves to be ran by a combination of the Jews and intelligence agencies. This stance is starting to be really really popular amongst the message board crowd. It's insane.


It's just a newer edition of this, updated a bit for a theoretically more modern audience

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2022-09-25 4:57:30 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: nyan9mm: There is also people on the complete opposite side say it saying the west is the source of all evil because we allow ourselves to be ran by a combination of the Jews and intelligence agencies. This stance is starting to be really really popular amongst the message board crowd. It's insane.

It's just a newer edition of this, updated a bit for a theoretically more modern audience

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Yup, exactly. The more things changes, the more they stay the same.
 
2022-09-25 4:58:55 AM  

nyan9mm: Lsherm: Roger Waters has been an asshole since forever. This isn't new.

phalamir: But these guys take the fact the USSR was the enemy of the West, and turn that into "if the West does bad shiat, and the USSR opposed the West, then the USSR was good in all particulars; and since Russia dominated the USSR and inherited its geopolitical mantle, Russia's actions are always anti-colonial and right".

It's honestly like watching someone so virulently anti-<insert cause here> that they talk themselves right into whatever they were supposed to oppose in the first place. Waters is so anti-war he can't understand why Ukraine didn't just surrender to save lives.

There is also people on the complete opposite side say it saying the west is the source of all evil because we allow ourselves to be ran by a combination of the Jews and intelligence agencies. This stance is starting to be really really popular amongst the message board crowd. It's insane.


In an America of 70 million or so Neo-Nazis this is not surprising. Who do you think TFG is talking about when he calls people 'globalists'?
 
2022-09-25 5:58:02 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: enry: dammit just give me a login: Didn't he recently release a pro-Ukraine video jam thing?

That was David Gilmour.

So which one is pink?


Whichever one isn't well and stayed back at the hotel.
 
2022-09-25 6:12:18 AM  

thefatbasturd: 10Speed: I mean it is pretty lofty talk for a guy who might possibly have had Syd Barrett drowned in a swimming pool.

What?


He locked him in the boot of Keith Moon's Rolls.
 
2022-09-25 6:12:27 AM  
Waters wrote an open letter to Ukrainian first lady Olena Zelenska early this month in which he blamed "extreme nationalists" in Ukraine for having "set your country on the path to this disastrous war." He also criticized the West for supplying Ukraine with weapons, blaming Washington in particular.

Waters has also criticized NATO, accusing it of provoking Russia.


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2022-09-25 7:13:20 AM  

phishrace: Forget about his politics. Have you heard what he's done to Comfortably Numb this tour? Absolutely destroyed the best song on The Wall. This is a war crime in my book. Comfortably Number with no guitar solo ain't right.

[YouTube video: Comfortably Numb - Roger Waters Sep.17th, 2022]


I like it.  It's haunting and dark and a completely different song than the original.
 
2022-09-25 7:21:21 AM  

browneye: thanksagainandagain: Roger Waters is proof that folks often become what they once despised. I don't know what to do with that fact, though.

It's always a bit of a gut-punch to find out that a favorite actor/musician/artist is in real life a massive asshole.

It's rather baffling how someone whose work gives you such joy can come from someone who is so....anti-joy.

\And yes....I'm thinking about you Kevin Sorbo.


There's a saying for that, "Never meet your heroes".

The same goes for political/social/civil/religious leaders. They try to save the world but neglect/fake their families. Ever heard of the term "preacher's kids"?

Sometimes "good" is evil with a Public Relations and Marketing team.
 
2022-09-25 7:21:35 AM  

Tor_Eckman: phishrace: Forget about his politics. Have you heard what he's done to Comfortably Numb this tour? Absolutely destroyed the best song on The Wall. This is a war crime in my book. Comfortably Number with no guitar solo ain't right.

[YouTube video: Comfortably Numb - Roger Waters Sep.17th, 2022]

I like it.  It's haunting and dark and a completely different song than the original.


I can see where he was trying to go with that, but the execution seems very lacking
 
2022-09-25 7:46:21 AM  
He treasures the Arkansas Razorback hat that Levon Helm gave him during the collaboration of The Wall in Berlin.

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2022-09-25 8:04:55 AM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: The same goes for political/social/civil/religious leaders. They try to save the world but neglect/fake their families. Ever heard of the term "preacher's kids"?


That's why I couldn't stand Seventh Heaven, even with Jessica Biel. Raising your kids with Jesus yet they still do all the same stupid shiat normal kids do. I despise the idea of religion as a support group. Religion is supposed to make you better than other people by training you to always make the morally correct decision. Any religion that doesn't is a damnable failure.
 
2022-09-25 8:11:54 AM  
Roger, Roger
What has become of you?
Does anybody else here feel the way I do?
 
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