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(Guardian)   Experts baffled that plant-based meat, the natural followup to plant-based milk, has flopped in the USA and on Wall Street. Is it true that real Americans will settle for nothing less than real meat in their burgers?   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2022-09-24 4:28:42 PM  
YES
 
2022-09-24 4:46:48 PM  
It needs to be much healthier.
 
2022-09-24 4:58:27 PM  
The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.
 
2022-09-24 4:58:57 PM  
It would sell if it were cheaper than real meat.
 
2022-09-24 5:02:46 PM  
My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).
 
2022-09-24 5:07:19 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).


None of the ingredients are uncommon, nor particularly unhealthy.
 
2022-09-24 5:07:28 PM  
Oh, and I wouldn't even be able to eat any Beyond Beef product because of the canola oil (3rd ingredient) as I have an intolerance to it. It causes a very unpleasant reaction that I'll spare you the details of.
 
2022-09-24 5:09:12 PM  

BigBurrito: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).

None of the ingredients are uncommon, nor particularly unhealthy.


Big words hurt brain
 
2022-09-24 5:12:03 PM  

BigBurrito: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).

None of the ingredients are uncommon, nor particularly unhealthy.


True, but I try to limit processed foods as much as possible and try to eat more fresh or minmally processed foods as a lot of processed foods tend to be high in sodium.  I have CKD so I need to keep a close eye on my sodium instake.
 
2022-09-24 5:14:20 PM  
If you're going to give us fake food, at least have the decency to invent a Star Trek food replicator for it to come out of, first.
 
2022-09-24 5:22:20 PM  
Frying plants in oil and adding tons of salt and other preservatives is not any healthier just because you're using plants.

If people want that fast food, they will might as well get it with meat.
 
2022-09-24 5:22:31 PM  

wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.


Yep. A 12 oz brick/package of Impossible Burger is $5.96 ($7.95/lb), whereas a one pound package of 80/20 ground beef is $4.36 at Walmart.  A 3 lb chub of the latter is even cheaper at $12.24 ($4.08/lb).  I'm on a fixed income so I budget carefully.
 
2022-09-24 5:22:47 PM  

wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.


Not so much anymore.  I guess if you buy the really cheap 70/30 or something like that.    I'm team Impossible.

A nice thing about Impossible burgers are that they retain the shape you make (or buy) in the pan or grill.  "Real" burger shrinks, domes, etc.

Americans eat too much meat as it is.  We really do.
 
2022-09-24 5:33:46 PM  

wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.


Significantly, in my experience. It's gonna be the same if you're getting a burger at a restaurant or whatever, but if you just want to buy it at your local grocery store, it's way more expensive. And usually only available in smaller packs, which contributes to the increased price per pound. I just checked my local grocery store's website, which may not have everything. The largest package and cheapest per weight of plant based meat I could find was 1 lb at $8.49. A 1lb pack of 90/10 costs $5.79. And that also comes in a 6lb pack if you're feeding a family which brings it to $4.49 per pound.
 
2022-09-24 5:34:31 PM  
Oh, and a 2-count package of Beyond Beef patties (Fresh) will set you back $4.84 $9.68/lb). This is for a 0.5 lb package.


Whereas a 12-count package (2.25 lbs) of 80/20 patties (Fresh) costs $9.37 ($4.16/lb)
 
2022-09-24 5:36:53 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.

Not so much anymore.  I guess if you buy the really cheap 70/30 or something like that.    I'm team Impossible.


I suspect you're paying way too much for real meat burger
 
2022-09-24 5:49:00 PM  

wearsmanyhats: Dewey Fidalgo: wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.

Not so much anymore.  I guess if you buy the really cheap 70/30 or something like that.    I'm team Impossible.

I suspect you're paying way too much for real meat burger


I suspect I know what prices are in my area.   Beef is very high here on the Oregon coast.   Which truth be told, doesn't bother me that much.   Like I said, Americans eat too much meat anyway.   I'm not coming at it from a health issue, though that should be a factor (real or imitation meat).   It's the use of  land that seems dumb to me.   Oregon has over a million acres used to grow hay and alfalfa to feed our meat.   A million acres that could be used to grow food that cuts out the middle..cow.
 
2022-09-24 6:08:05 PM  

wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.


If plant based were subsidized at the same rate as meat, they'd be much cheaper than meat
 
2022-09-24 6:12:34 PM  

BigBurrito: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).

None of the ingredients are uncommon, nor particularly unhealthy.


What is the total water use for both meat and plant based? Clean up from feed lots destroying rivers and streams? Greenhouse gasses (however you want to calculate that expense).

The only reason meat seems cheap is that you don't ever pay the actual price at the checkout. It's heavily subsidized.

The plant based product is not.

Making this an economic argument is ridiculous. There is a bigger picture.
 
2022-09-24 6:13:50 PM  

yohohogreengiant: BigBurrito: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).

None of the ingredients are uncommon, nor particularly unhealthy.

What is the total water use for both meat and plant based? Clean up from feed lots destroying rivers and streams? Greenhouse gasses (however you want to calculate that expense).

The only reason meat seems cheap is that you don't ever pay the actual price at the checkout. It's heavily subsidized.

The plant based product is not.

Making this an economic argument is ridiculous. There is a bigger picture.


Sorry, wrong post reply.
 
2022-09-24 7:45:44 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).


Methyl cellulose is a bulk forming laxative. They're both literal shiatburgers
 
2022-09-24 7:48:26 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).



Just imagine  living without zinc

The Simpsons - A World Without Zinc
Youtube U1iCZpFMYd0
 
2022-09-24 7:50:20 PM  
I know you will say it's not soy. Doesn't Matter.  They farking taste like soy 🍔 from back in the 1980s. Stfu. Ppl. It's exactly what cheap meat tasted like.
 
2022-09-24 8:23:36 PM  
Fun fact: If 'Impossible (whatever)' merged with 'Beyond Meat' they'd call it 'Beyond Impossible'
 
2022-09-24 8:30:08 PM  
Let's not farking kid ourselves again. Nobody that goes to fast food chains are going their to eat healthy or save the farking planet. If people really wanted that shiat, Popeye's would be dead since they offer non of that.
 
2022-09-24 8:35:28 PM  
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my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.
 
2022-09-24 8:45:13 PM  
I bought some fake meat breakfast sausage out of curiosity (don't remember the brand). It was apparently made of sawdust and axle grease mixed with drywall shavings. I channeled my inner Gordon Ramsey and spit it out while cursing profusely.
 
2022-09-24 8:56:45 PM  

olorin604: [Fark user image 425x637]my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.


What did you do with the rest of the monkey after you cut off the anus and put it on a plate?


/just kidding, like mushrooms
//they aren't the same as meat
 
2022-09-24 9:07:03 PM  

olorin604: my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.


Is that cilantro sprinkled on it?
 
2022-09-24 9:09:17 PM  

wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.


Sub Human: It would sell if it were cheaper than real meat.


Yeah, I don't know why they thought they could price it the same as regular meat. There has to be an added advantage compared to the real stuff, otherwise there's no incentive to switch. Vegetarians were already eating soy-based burgers, but that's not a huge market. If you want converts, there has to be a reason to switch.

Pricing a Beyond Meat patty the same price as a beef patty doesn't give me any reason to try Beyond Meat.
 
2022-09-24 9:09:43 PM  
I'm an omnivore. I feel nothing about those who pretend otherwise.

Well, no....here's what I think:

Cypress Hill - Insane In The Brain (Official Video)
Youtube RijB8wnJCN0
 
2022-09-24 9:11:25 PM  

Lsherm: wearsmanyhats: The plant-based burgers are more expensive than real meat.

Sub Human: It would sell if it were cheaper than real meat.

Yeah, I don't know why they thought they could price it the same as regular meat. There has to be an added advantage compared to the real stuff, otherwise there's no incentive to switch. Vegetarians were already eating soy-based burgers, but that's not a huge market. If you want converts, there has to be a reason to switch.

Pricing a Beyond Meat patty the same price as a beef patty doesn't give me any reason to try Beyond Meat.


Well, Beyond Meat is pretty awful, IMHO.

But I just came back to point out that the recommended daily meat dose is 4 oz.    Like I said, Americans (and others) eat too much meat.
 
2022-09-24 9:19:40 PM  
Why do all of these reiterated headlines feel like they are written by shills for the meat industry?
 
2022-09-24 9:20:44 PM  

Dewey Fidalgo: But I just came back to point out that the recommended daily meat dose is 4 oz.    Like I said, Americans (and others) eat too much meat.


I like to save up. During the week I'll usually eat a big breakfast but no meat, then salad for dinner. But on the weekends? Tonight I readily admit I ate a 1 pound steak. That was precooked weight, but it was a lot of steak. Then again, it's also the only thing I ate today besides the potato that I made with it.

I'm thanking my lucky stars that even in old age my cholesterol is staying on an even keel, because I DO love eggs. I probably eat 4-6 a week.
 
2022-09-24 9:25:00 PM  

OhioUGrad: olorin604: [Fark user image 425x637]my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.

What did you do with the rest of the monkey after you cut off the anus and put it on a plate?


/just kidding, like mushrooms
//they aren't the same as meat


Oh yah, won't claim that. I just like  them as well as an actual hamburger most of the time. But if Im craving a burger they aren't a replacement.
 
2022-09-24 9:43:17 PM  

invictus2: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).


Just imagine  living without zinc

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/U1iCZpFMYd0]


Zinc Oxide and You (Kentucky Fried Movie, 1977)
Youtube yo5g2LLxKHg
 
2022-09-24 9:46:41 PM  
I've had an impossible burger and it was outstanding. Loved it, and honestly could not tell the difference between that and real hamburger.

However, we've had such a long history of truly shiatty non-meat alternatives that don't taste or feel anything like the real thing that I think a lot of people are reluctant to try yet another.

It'll take some time. Once people realize that plant based "meat" of today isn't the utter garbage of the past, they'll come around. But it'll take time.
 
2022-09-24 9:53:10 PM  

waxbeans: I know you will say it's not soy. Doesn't Matter.  They farking taste like soy 🍔 from back in the 1980s. Stfu. Ppl. It's exactly what cheap meat tasted like.


"make JTM burgers great again"
 
2022-09-24 9:54:02 PM  

yohohogreengiant: BigBurrito: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).

None of the ingredients are uncommon, nor particularly unhealthy.

What is the total water use for both meat and plant based? Clean up from feed lots destroying rivers and streams? Greenhouse gasses (however you want to calculate that expense).

The only reason meat seems cheap is that you don't ever pay the actual price at the checkout. It's heavily subsidized.

The plant based product is not.

Making this an economic argument is ridiculous. There is a bigger picture.


I want real meat. I'll have my veggies on the side.
 
2022-09-24 9:57:43 PM  

OhioUGrad: olorin604: [Fark user image 425x637]my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.

What did you do with the rest of the monkey after you cut off the anus and put it on a plate?


/just kidding, like mushrooms
//they aren't the same as meat


They're tasty on top of a burger.
 
2022-09-24 10:10:45 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: BigBurrito: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).

None of the ingredients are uncommon, nor particularly unhealthy.

True, but I try to limit processed foods as much as possible and try to eat more fresh or minmally processed foods as a lot of processed foods tend to be high in sodium.  I have CKD so I need to keep a close eye on my sodium instake.


"I don't like all the additives."
"There's nothing wrong with these additives."
"I avoid processed food because of the sodium."

You just moved the goalposts to an entirely different field.
 
2022-09-24 10:12:55 PM  

olorin604: [Fark user image image 425x637]my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.


You know, I'd probably be OK at being a vegetarian, except that so many vegetarian recipes feature eggs, avocados, or mushrooms. And I hate all three. They're constants in these recipes.

/yes, that's a me problem, I know.
 
2022-09-24 10:15:23 PM  

revrendjim: I bought some fake meat breakfast sausage out of curiosity (don't remember the brand). It was apparently made of sawdust and axle grease mixed with drywall shavings. I channeled my inner Gordon Ramsey and spit it out while cursing profusely.


I got some kind of plant-based ground beef substitute for a recipe I was making for a crowd including vegetarians. I made the meat and the plant versions side by side.

The substitute tasted like bologna that was starting to turn. It didn't crumble particularly well, either. But the worst part was that it pretty much immediately stuck to my pan as f*ck, and it never unstuck. It just kept getting worse. It took me forever to get that pan clean again. Lesson learned.
 
2022-09-24 10:23:35 PM  

austerity101: olorin604: [Fark user image image 425x637]my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.

You know, I'd probably be OK at being a vegetarian, except that so many vegetarian recipes feature eggs, avocados, or mushrooms. And I hate all three. They're constants in these recipes.

/yes, that's a me problem, I know.


Yah that would be problematic. I have no problem with eggs or mushrooms, although avocados aren't my favorite. I mean I'm not vegetarian. But as long as I can have cheese I'm pretty flexible.
 
2022-09-24 10:44:01 PM  

olorin604: austerity101: olorin604: [Fark user image image 425x637]my impossible burger. Am as happy with one of these some onion and a thick slice of tomato as an actual burger.

You know, I'd probably be OK at being a vegetarian, except that so many vegetarian recipes feature eggs, avocados, or mushrooms. And I hate all three. They're constants in these recipes.

/yes, that's a me problem, I know.

Yah that would be problematic. I have no problem with eggs or mushrooms, although avocados aren't my favorite. I mean I'm not vegetarian. But as long as I can have cheese I'm pretty flexible.


I've made vegetarian (well pescatarian***...Worcestershire sauce has anchovies in it)  French Onion soup that decent.   The trick is getting or making a really rich vegetable broth, and caramelizing the onions.  Still need the gruyere cheese, etc, though.  And red wine and a little finish of brandy or vermouth.

***We may be moving away from eating land critters, but as we're a commercial fishing family,..well, you know.
 
2022-09-24 10:45:24 PM  
I wanted to try Impossible burgers, but here in Toronto they're like 5x the price of normal beef patties. I wasn't that curious.

I did try the Beyond Burgers. Texture was pretty good, but the taste and smell was kind of weird. They're okay, but I wouldn't buy them over regular burgers. Particularly since they're 3x as expensive.
 
2022-09-24 11:08:13 PM  
The Soylent corporation makes a burger that tastes just like real meat!
 
2022-09-24 11:14:33 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).


Highly processed is highly processed, right. Meat, you whack off of an animal and grill it.
 
2022-09-25 12:24:33 AM  

natazha: Bathia_Mapes: My main objection is all the additives.

Impossible burger;

Water, Soy Protein Concentrate, Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Potato Protein, Methylcellulose, Yeast Extract, Cultured Dextrose, Food Starch Modified, Soy Leghemoglobin, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E), Zinc Gluconate, Thiamine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B1), Sodium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), Niacin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12


Beyond Beef:

Water, pea protein*, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, dried yeast, cocoa butter, methylcellulose, and less than 1% of potato starch, salt, potassium chloride, beet juice color, apple extract, pomegranate concentrate, sunflower lecithin, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, vitamins and minerals (zinc sulfate, niacinamide [vitamin B3], pyridoxine hydrochloride [vitamin B6], cyanocobalamin [vitamin B12], calcium pantothenate).

Highly processed is highly processed, right. Meat, you whack off of an animal and grill it.


shiat, that's downright generous of you to make sure the animal gets a happy ending before you cook it.
 
2022-09-25 12:56:35 AM  
I rarely eat fast food but would have the Burger King veggie burger with fries as a guilty pleasure maybe once every other month.  Since they switched to the Impossible Burger I've tried it twice. Once was bad, the second time confirmed it.  So no more Burger King. The old veggie burger was better IMHO.

/taste is subjective, don't get upset if my tastebuds don't match yours
 
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