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(The New Criterion)   This is a very old test to see how liberal or conservative you are. A full-blown liberal will mark every one, or very nearly every one, "Agree." A convinced conservative will mark many or most of them, "Disagree." Discuss   (newcriterion.com) divider line
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2022-09-24 10:14:28 AM  
Easier test:

Are you intolerant of intolerance, or are you intolerant of intolerance of intolerance?
 
2022-09-24 10:16:35 AM  
Has subby taken their meds? (y/n)
 
2022-09-24 10:52:26 AM  
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F*ck tankies. F*ck Russia. Pretty much agree on all the rest
 
2022-09-24 11:00:52 AM  
Wouldn't be shocked if those OG quiz results got forwarded to right to senator McCarthy's office
 
2022-09-24 11:02:05 AM  

marklar2012: Wouldn't be shocked if those OG quiz results got forwarded to right to senator McCarthy's office


LOL proof one way or the other:

29. Joseph McCarthy was probably the most dangerous man in American public life during the fifteen years following the Second World War.
 
2022-09-24 11:08:58 AM  

Gene Masseth: Easier test:

Are you intolerant of intolerance, or are you intolerant of intolerance of intolerance?


User name checks out.
 
2022-09-24 11:14:11 AM  
Political, economic or social discrimination based on religious belief is wrong.

fark that. Religion is a choice. It deserves no higher consideration than any other choices a person may make. If your religious belief is that "certain people aren't really people" you can fark right off.
 
2022-09-24 11:23:13 AM  
Almost all of those are "yes, but"

Everyone can have their own opinion but it doesn't allow you to make up your own facts to support it.
 
2022-09-24 11:27:24 AM  
Wow reading up on the source material, interesting perspective. Think I missed this book in college because it's so freaking outdated.

BTW if the "WEST" is defined by culturally exploiting other races and poorer sects of the world THEN SHUT THAT SHIAT DOWN, BY SUICIDE IF NECESSARY
 
2022-09-24 11:28:29 AM  
I'm a full-blown liberal according to this article.

Sounds about right.
 
2022-09-24 11:32:17 AM  

enry: Almost all of those are "yes, but"

Everyone can have their own opinion but it doesn't allow you to make up your own facts to support it.


What agency would you task with dealing with the troublesome words and thoughts that lead to these lies?
 
2022-09-24 11:48:50 AM  
Who are the liberals? I thought WHO are the doctors?
 
2022-09-24 11:53:27 AM  
Some of those are problematic, although I definitely answered more yes than no.

Not corrupting the juveniles is being used to justify some very shiatty stuff these days.

/libby lib lib
 
2022-09-24 12:05:05 PM  
I used to describe myself as a moderate, but after going through this list, I realize I'm now about 80% liberal.
 
2022-09-24 12:15:18 PM  

GardenWeasel: [Fark user image 572x88]

F*ck tankies. F*ck Russia. Pretty much agree on all the rest


BUT BUT BUT THE SOVIET UNION WAS NEVER EVER COMMUNIST
 
2022-09-24 1:02:30 PM  

RodneyToady: Who are the liberals? I thought WHO are the doctors?


Is that a world health organization or Dr Who joke?
 
2022-09-24 1:44:24 PM  
How about I take a test not rooted in racism
 
2022-09-24 1:52:30 PM  

GardenWeasel: [Fark user image 572x88]

F*ck tankies. F*ck Russia. Pretty much agree on all the rest


I'm always ready to negotiate their unconditional surrender, so "agree."
 
2022-09-24 1:56:10 PM  
"2. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion."

That's like saying "everyone is entitled to their own anus."
 
2022-09-24 1:57:26 PM  

phygz: enry: Almost all of those are "yes, but"

Everyone can have their own opinion but it doesn't allow you to make up your own facts to support it.

What agency would you task with dealing with the troublesome words and thoughts that lead to these lies?


The Ministry of Irony.
 
2022-09-24 1:58:48 PM  

spongeboob: RodneyToady: Who are the liberals? I thought WHO are the doctors?

Is that a world health organization or Dr Who joke?


Yes.
 
2022-09-24 1:58:50 PM  

GardenWeasel: [Fark user image 572x88]

F*ck tankies. F*ck Russia. Pretty much agree on all the rest


You do know Russia is an oligargarchy , not a communist regime, right!?!
 
2022-09-24 2:00:28 PM  

NateAsbestos: Political, economic or social discrimination based on religious belief is wrong.

fark that. Religion is a choice. It deserves no higher consideration than any other choices a person may make. If your religious belief is that "certain people aren't really people" you can fark right off.


This test was derived in 1964. I think the question is really asking "should religions I don't practice be allowed to exist."

I doubt it even crossed anyone's mind that you could look at it from an atheistic perspective of whether ANY religion should be respected.
 
2022-09-24 2:00:50 PM  

GardenWeasel: [Fark user image image 572x88]

F*ck tankies. F*ck Russia. Pretty much agree on all the rest


North Vietnam doesn't think too highly of you either, McCarthy.
 
2022-09-24 2:01:24 PM  

RodneyToady: Who are the liberals? I thought WHO are the doctors?


No, Who smashed their instruments at the end of every performance.
 
2022-09-24 2:02:00 PM  
What's amazing to me is how many of these used to be lovely philosophies until conservatives twisted them.

"Freedom of religion" in this context meant hey maybe we shouldn't prevent Muslim people from living in houses or getting educations. Conservatives twisted it to mean Christians get to do whatever they want.

"Freedom from censorship" used to mean that unpopular opinions like "women aren't witches" or "gays are people too" weren't supposed to land you in jail. Conservatives have twisted it to mean Twitter has to publish anything they want them to.

Conservatives seem to go out of their way to ruin anything good. Amoral pieces of trash.
 
2022-09-24 2:03:15 PM  
Jesus. If those questions were any more loaded, they'd be one of those baked potatoes with so much shiat crammed in them that they qualify as a casserole.
 
2022-09-24 2:04:16 PM  

GardenWeasel: [Fark user image 572x88]

F*ck tankies. F*ck Russia. Pretty much agree on all the rest


Negotiation isn't capitulation.
 
2022-09-24 2:04:19 PM  
8. Progressive income and inheritance taxes are the fairest form of taxation.

A progressive wealth tax is more fair. You get more benefits from society the more you own, not the more you earn.
 
2022-09-24 2:05:27 PM  
3. Everyone has a right to free, public education.

On Fark, answering "yes" to this question either makes you a true liberal & patriot or a crazy alt-left unicorn fart daydreamer, depending on the election season.
 
2022-09-24 2:05:34 PM  
There are a couple that I find a little spicy.

Like we must be open to negotiations with any government including those who are communist like the Soviet Union. Must we? We are not obligated to play nice with totalitarianism or dictators. Especially those who mistreat their people.

Or that congressional investigations are dangerous.

Or that the government has the right to seize property if it gives "just compensation".

Totally free speech cannot exist on the internet. That's how you get places like 8Kun.
 
2022-09-24 2:06:05 PM  

baka-san: How about I take a test not rooted in racism


That's kind of the author's point, although he probably wouldn't have come out and said, "Conservatism is rooted in racism."  Probably.

I mean, consider the source:


James Burnham (November 22, 1905 - July 28, 1987) was an American philosopher and political theorist. He chaired the philosophy department at New York University; His first book was An Introduction to Philosophical Analysis (1931). Burnham became a prominent Trotskyist activist in the 1930s. He later rejected Marxism and became an even more influential theorist of the right as a leader of the American conservative movement.[1] His book The Managerial Revolution, published in 1941, speculated on the future of capitalism. Burnham was an editor and a regular contributor to William F. Buckley's conservative magazine National Review on a variety of topics. He rejected containment of the Soviet Union and called for the rollback of communism worldwide.

In 1955, he helped William F. Buckley Jr. found National Review magazine, which from the start took positions in foreign policy consistent with Burnham's own. In the National Review, he wrote a column titled "Third World War," which referred to the Cold War.[17] Burnham became a lifelong contributor to the journal, and Buckley referred to him as "the number one intellectual influence on National Review since the day of its founding."[7] His approach to foreign policy has caused some to regard him as the first "neoconservative," although Burnham's ideas have been an important influence on both the paleoconservative and neoconservative factions of the American Right.[18]

In 1983, President Ronald Reagan awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

/I know, you read that list, and it sounds like the ravings of one of Fark's lesser trolls or a moderate Freeper...
 
2022-09-24 2:06:30 PM  
The answers to every one would pretty much be "Depends on what's going on."  Unless you're a moral absolutist you're going to have grey areas, especially on big questions.  For instance "We should always be ready to negotiate with the Soviet Union."  Sure, as long as Russia's not engaged in a homicidal land grab clusterfark or other reprehensible shiat.  Terms and farking conditions apply - there are minimum requirements.  Anyone that figures that spectrum can be reduced to a pithy bunch of bits isn't living in reality
 
2022-09-24 2:07:08 PM  

iheartscotch: Like we must be open to negotiations with any government including those who are communist like the Soviet Union. Must we? We are not obligated to play nice with totalitarianism or dictators. Especially those who mistreat their people.


They didn't say the outcomes of the negotiations must be in russias favor ;) ...  could be a choose the form of your destructor situation.

/stay-puft!?!?!?!
 
2022-09-24 2:07:17 PM  

baka-san: How about I take a test not rooted in racism


WE have a colonizer here!!  Everyone mock the colonizer!!!!!
 
2022-09-24 2:07:55 PM  
29. Joseph McCarthy was probably the most dangerous man in American public life during the fifteen years following the Second World War.

Reagan was being worse, in the background. Think of it as his "Mein Kampf" years.

/yeah ok fine it took a couple decades to manifest
//so mccarthy wins this round
 
2022-09-24 2:08:12 PM  
How many people got a firing squad after answering this quiz?
 
2022-09-24 2:10:43 PM  
21. We always ought to respect the religious beliefs of others.

I think the word "respect" is a bit strong here. The only people who really respect the religious beliefs of others are Unitarians or woo-woo hippie grandmas. Everyone else is somewhere between tolerant and intolerant.
 
2022-09-24 2:10:59 PM  

RodneyToady: Who are the liberals? I thought WHO are the doctors?


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2022-09-24 2:11:00 PM  

cepson: "2. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion."

That's like saying "everyone is entitled to their own anus."


'disagree'
 
2022-09-24 2:13:06 PM  

iheartscotch: There are a couple that I find a little spicy.

Like we must be open to negotiations with any government including those who are communist like the Soviet Union. Must we? We are not obligated to play nice with totalitarianism or dictators. Especially those who mistreat their people.



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There are negotiations, and there are negotiations.
 
2022-09-24 2:13:34 PM  

RodneyToady: spongeboob: RodneyToady: Who are the liberals? I thought WHO are the doctors?

Is that a world health organization or Dr Who joke?

Yes.


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2022-09-24 2:14:38 PM  
nsfw

Chris Rock on Politics Democrats Republicans
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2022-09-24 2:15:07 PM  
Which sounds more like freedom?
The expression of any example on that list, or the ability of a group of folks to curtail the expression of those examples?
Shining beacon on the hill indeed, gonna take a little more work.
 
2022-09-24 2:15:32 PM  

snowjack: 21. We always ought to respect the religious beliefs of others.

I think the word "respect" is a bit strong here. The only people who really respect the religious beliefs of others are Unitarians or woo-woo hippie grandmas. Everyone else is somewhere between tolerant and intolerant.


I can respect your right to your beliefs but damn well do not have to respect the beliefs themselves
 
2022-09-24 2:15:40 PM  
All yes for liberals?  Maybe when this was developed, but sure as hell not now.

This in particular is a HUGE no from the progressives... there's definitely a few others.  Half the progressive platform is literally fighting for quotas in the workplace and schools.  And since I'll be attacked over that, there's a huge difference between forcing a quota and making discrimination illegal.  Those are two distinctly different things.  I'm against discrimination.  I'm against quotas.

27. In determining who is to be admitted to schools and universities, quota systems based on color, religion, family or similar factors are wrong.

I said no to a few, but only because they're loaded questions

For example, I said no to this:
19. Corporal punishment, except possibly for small children, is wrong.

But only because there's an exception thrown in and I thoroughly disagree with the exception.

And I said no to this:
23. Except in cases of a clear threat to national security or, possibly, to juvenile morals, censorship is wrong.

Because again, the exceptions thrown in there.
 
2022-09-24 2:16:43 PM  
I smell disingenuous in the room
 
2022-09-24 2:19:32 PM  
Qualified teachers, at least at the university level, are entitled to academic freedom: that is, the right to express their own beliefs and opinions, in or out of the classroom, without interference from administrators, trustees, parents or public bodies

This needs to be rewritten to not include racist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic nonsense that many feel they need to preach.

Sorry but teaching students that kind of nonsense is a no-go in 2022.
 
2022-09-24 2:19:38 PM  
"Colonialism and imperialism are wrong."

Founding fathers:  Did we stutter?!
 
2022-09-24 2:20:15 PM  
Here's the issue with all this, as I see it:

Defining what those questions truly mean, or are asking, requires separating facts from opinion.

That line has been completely destroyed by the mass mobilization of incredibly biased, narrative-driven infotainment masquerading as news.

In other words, propaganda.
 
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