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2022-09-24 8:50:29 AM  
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2022-09-24 9:07:16 AM  
I had virtually this exact same conversation with a store manager when we moved up here.  They were closing their store early cause they couldn't find someone to work nights cause nobody wants to work anymore.  I want to work and I'm looking for work, what do you need?  They tell me, I tell them I can do all those things and have done all those things.  How much?  $13/hr.  What?  No.  Double that and I'll think about it.  They tell me I'm crazy.  You'd rather lose eight hours of sales a day???  Now that's crazy.  Still closed nights a year later.
 
2022-09-24 10:09:02 AM  

WickerNipple: I had virtually this exact same conversation with a store manager when we moved up here.  They were closing their store early cause they couldn't find someone to work nights cause nobody wants to work anymore.  I want to work and I'm looking for work, what do you need?  They tell me, I tell them I can do all those things and have done all those things.  How much?  $13/hr.  What?  No.  Double that and I'll think about it.  They tell me I'm crazy.  You'd rather lose eight hours of sales a day???  Now that's crazy.  Still closed nights a year later.


They sound like savvy business people
 
2022-09-24 10:10:16 AM  
Oh sorry, I guess my massive eye roll doesn't come across in text.

Top Reddit comment is right: they'd absolutely enslave us if they could.
 
2022-09-24 11:19:16 AM  
Side topic to the actual point, but so many of these OP stories make me feel like they're embellished with some wishful thinking / creative writing.  "So I sez to the guy, I sez..."

/Maybe the fact that it's a paper company raised my skepticism.
//Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, Inc.
 
2022-09-24 11:29:33 AM  
We used to have a hiring manager who insisted that the honor of working for my employer justified offering new hires 20% less than our competitors. And so we began a program where we would spend months hiring people, and then spend time, money, and effort training them to very high standards just to watch them take all our expensive training to our competitors. The turnover and churn were dizzying. When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.
 
2022-09-24 11:58:05 AM  
Hasn't this always been an issue? Why is such an issue recently? Is it because the media is telling us to care?
 
2022-09-24 12:21:06 PM  
Employers have gotten awfully comfortable with shiatting on the help.
 
2022-09-24 1:45:12 PM  
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2022-09-24 1:50:46 PM  

Dr.Fey: Side topic to the actual point, but so many of these OP stories make me feel like they're embellished with some wishful thinking / creative writing.  "So I sez to the guy, I sez..."

/Maybe the fact that it's a paper company raised my skepticism.
//Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, Inc.


What gave it away?

The original poster (OP), known as u/acfreeman94, posted about the incident in Reddit's "Antiwork" forum
 
2022-09-24 1:52:37 PM  
<David Attenborough>

Ah yes, there it is: NobodyWantsToWorkAnyMore, the dulcet early morning mating call of the Cheapus Executivus Capitalus, aka the common American CEO. Listen closely.

Here you can see him gathering twigs, berries, leaves together between the y-stems of a branch, building for himself a small hovel. He hopes to attract the female of the species, the Laborus Employus Servantus, with his generous offering of $5.35 per hour, no overtime, no benefits, no paid time off.

Someone approaches. She inspects the nest carefully, and gives her response to his efforts thusly: ThatDoesn'tEvenCoverLivingExpenses. And like that she is off on a wing, in search of a better suitor.

Our hero sits, dejected. He repeats his call, more of a lament than a song, as if spiting the woman who rejected him. Was his nest not good enough for her? No, he thinks. Clearly her demands were too high and she wouldn't have made a productive employee anyway.

Cheer up, old friend. Someday you may find your cheap labor. It's only a matter of time.

</David Attenborough>
 
2022-09-24 1:55:28 PM  
I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.
 
2022-09-24 2:06:23 PM  
Can't say it's as bad as the story, but I've gone through several interviews that lied about the pay and position. They list a pay range of X to Y and when I get through the interview they admit they only pay X and will under no circumstance go above.
 
2022-09-24 2:12:40 PM  

Notabunny: We used to have a hiring manager who insisted that the honor of working for my employer justified offering new hires 20% less than our competitors. And so we began a program where we would spend months hiring people, and then spend time, money, and effort training them to very high standards just to watch them take all our expensive training to our competitors. The turnover and churn were dizzying. When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.


"We want to work there because we don't want to work"

Seems legit.
 
2022-09-24 2:28:31 PM  
On a Sunday in July, everybody made up their minds
And when Monday rolled around no one came home
All the cities and streets were bare
Everybody was havin' fun elsewhere
As the weeks went by no one came home

And the stores closed down and the cars stopped runnin'
And the sky cleared day-to-day
But no one cared, everybody took a holiday
Everybody took a holiday...

Everybody Took A Holiday
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2022-09-24 2:31:39 PM  

jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.


Every single one of these threads, including this one, has people telling stories about "Competitor pays more, people leave and go work for competitor". Your gotcha question is bad and you should feel bad.

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2022-09-24 2:33:45 PM  

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The new car looses 5k when u drive it off the lot
 
2022-09-24 2:35:04 PM  

WickerNipple: I had virtually this exact same conversation with a store manager when we moved up here.  They were closing their store early cause they couldn't find someone to work nights cause nobody wants to work anymore.  I want to work and I'm looking for work, what do you need?  They tell me, I tell them I can do all those things and have done all those things.  How much?  $13/hr.  What?  No.  Double that and I'll think about it.  They tell me I'm crazy.  You'd rather lose eight hours of sales a day???  Now that's crazy.  Still closed nights a year later.


........as the lazy sit at home stock owners get paid for doing nada.........


Please go on!!
 
2022-09-24 2:35:38 PM  

jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.


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2022-09-24 2:35:55 PM  

NateAsbestos: Oh sorry, I guess my massive eye roll doesn't come across in text.

Top Reddit comment is right: they'd absolutely enslave us if they could.


Slavery never completely went away.
 
2022-09-24 2:37:02 PM  

Notabunny: We used to have a hiring manager who insisted that the honor of working for my employer justified offering new hires 20% less than our competitors. And so we began a program where we would spend months hiring people, and then spend time, money, and effort training them to very high standards just to watch them take all our expensive training to our competitors. The turnover and churn were dizzying. When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.


Churn and burn
 
2022-09-24 2:37:54 PM  

edmo: Employers have gotten awfully comfortable with shiatting on the help.


Lazy stock owners even more so
 
2022-09-24 2:39:31 PM  

jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.


Its really complicated keeping lazy stock owners happy
 
2022-09-24 2:40:54 PM  

GodComplex: Can't say it's as bad as the story, but I've gone through several interviews that lied about the pay and position. They list a pay range of X to Y and when I get through the interview they admit they only pay X and will under no circumstance go above.


The ole bait and switch.
 
2022-09-24 2:41:27 PM  
No one wants to go to fark to read msn links that are Newsweek articles that recap reddit threads anymore.
 
2022-09-24 2:41:55 PM  

shinji3i: jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.

Every single one of these threads, including this one, has people telling stories about "Competitor pays more, people leave and go work for competitor". Your gotcha question is bad and you should feel bad.

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Pie in the sky
 
2022-09-24 2:45:48 PM  

Dr.Fey: Side topic to the actual point, but so many of these OP stories make me feel like they're embellished with some wishful thinking / creative writing.  "So I sez to the guy, I sez..."

/Maybe the fact that it's a paper company raised my skepticism.
//Dunder Mifflin Paper Company, Inc.


Not saying this or any other specific story is real or fake, but for every "That sounds farfetched" there are a hundred people who have experienced something even more preposterous. What employers do and try to get away with is absolutely insane.
 
2022-09-24 2:47:06 PM  

Notabunny: When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.


It is mind-boggling that they think "nobody wants to work" explains "our workers left to go work for someone else who pays them better." If they don't want to work, why are they still working?
 
2022-09-24 2:52:16 PM  
More than half reported a pay increase in their new role, as well as more opportunities for advancement and a better work-life balance.

When you're trying to move up the ladder it's ten times faster to hop from company to company than to stay put. You generally get a big pay raise and promotion you'd never get if you stayed at the same job. And work hour flexibility is a big deal if you've got kids or other things going on in your life.
 
2022-09-24 2:52:29 PM  

austerity101: Notabunny: When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.

It is mind-boggling that they think "nobody wants to work" explains "our workers left to go work for someone else who pays them better." If they don't want to work, why are they still working?


Because they need money. That's why they're working.
 
2022-09-24 2:57:00 PM  

rustypouch: austerity101: Notabunny: When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.

It is mind-boggling that they think "nobody wants to work" explains "our workers left to go work for someone else who pays them better." If they don't want to work, why are they still working?

Because they need money. That's why they're working.


Lol, right, but that's not what I meant. If "Nobody wants to work" the those people who quit the company would have just quit, right? If they don't want to work, why are they happy to work for someone else for more pay? Sure seems like the work isn't the problem, here.
 
2022-09-24 2:59:04 PM  

jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.


If you have to shut down your business because it isn't cost effective to pay workers what the market demands then fine. Nobody said running a business was easy money. But it's the "nobody wants to work anymore" attitude we're complaining about. They're having normal business problems but they put the blame squarely on the employees who have been getting shiat on for decades. THAT's what the issue is.
 
2022-09-24 3:00:27 PM  

Notabunny: We used to have a hiring manager who insisted that the honor of working for my employer justified offering new hires 20% less than our competitors. And so we began a program where we would spend months hiring people, and then spend time, money, and effort training them to very high standards just to watch them take all our expensive training to our competitors. The turnover and churn were dizzying. When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.


I don't know if our hiring managers are cut from the same cloth, but my company routinely spent months and months giving free training to new investment bankers, who would take advantage of it and then go to work for our competitors. It wasn't a secret, either. It was like a revolving door of new hires. We'd give them new laptops and six months later they'd be gone.

Of course, we're now doing the same thing w/ work-from-home hires. I don't have any proof, but I'm beginning to suspect that people are being told they can work from home and then "Whoops. We've changed our mind. You have to come into the office now. I realize you don't live in a state where we have a physical office, but that's not our problem."
 
2022-09-24 3:03:22 PM  

austerity101: rustypouch: austerity101: Notabunny: When I pointed out that we were wasting a lot of money training our competitors' employees, I got the "everybody is leaving because nobody wants to work" response.

It is mind-boggling that they think "nobody wants to work" explains "our workers left to go work for someone else who pays them better." If they don't want to work, why are they still working?

Because they need money. That's why they're working.

Lol, right, but that's not what I meant. If "Nobody wants to work" the those people who quit the company would have just quit, right? If they don't want to work, why are they happy to work for someone else for more pay? Sure seems like the work isn't the problem, here.


It's almost like people intentionally don't want to understand this.
 
2022-09-24 3:06:54 PM  
After years of 3% raises (sorry, but the budget doesn't allow for any more), this shouldn't come as a surprise.
If you're at the top of the salary scale for your job, and promotion isn't a reasonable possibility (e.g. Sr Tech Contributor), that's what you're going to get.
 
2022-09-24 3:13:52 PM  

jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.


I'm an owner of my company. We pay our employees well, ensure reasonable hours are worked (little overtime and so far no weekends), and give raises and bonuses. We've still had people leave, but it's always because they don't like the work (which has been fairly obvious, not a single notice has come as a surprise) not pay. Is there more complexity to running a business than the average employee sees? Yeah. Does that invalidate an employee's knowledge of what their labor is worth? Fuck no. So kiss my job-creating ass and fuck off.
 
2022-09-24 3:30:24 PM  
No one wants to be treated like shiat, or a child either, on top of being under paid. I recently, angrily, quit a job after two months because I was being so aggressively micromanaged that I never completed a sentence without being interrupted. Company is still having trouble hiring, tech people leaving in droves, projects 3-5 years behind schedule, money flying out the window, no real project management, mission critical apps not documented or under source control, nothing but micromanagement everywhere.

It's not just the lack of money, it's a lack of simple, basic respect, and abysmal communication skills.
 
2022-09-24 3:31:29 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.

I'm an owner of my company. We pay our employees well, ensure reasonable hours are worked (little overtime and so far no weekends), and give raises and bonuses. We've still had people leave, but it's always because they don't like the work (which has been fairly obvious, not a single notice has come as a surprise) not pay. Is there more complexity to running a business than the average employee sees? Yeah. Does that invalidate an employee's knowledge of what their labor is worth? fark no. So kiss my job-creating ass and fark off.


Also, past a certain point money isn't what makes people leave a job.

So these are probably companies paying $12 an hour when it takes $25 to live and writing up unexcused absences and firing people because they got sick without 48 hours notice.

Fix that and the turnover rate will become manageable, like yours apparently is.
 
2022-09-24 4:04:02 PM  

Russ1642: jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.

If you have to shut down your business because it isn't cost effective to pay workers what the market demands then fine. Nobody said running a business was easy money. But it's the "nobody wants to work anymore" attitude we're complaining about. They're having normal business problems but they put the blame squarely on the employees who have been getting shiat on for decades. THAT's what the issue is.


Are they, though? Or has Reddit just invented a counter-attitude to match the counter-counter-attitude they are awarding each other imaginary points for feeding each other engagement and inspiration, while they sit alone in their parents basements, unshowered and ignorant?
 
2022-09-24 4:25:31 PM  
"over 60 percent of respondents said they quit their jobs in 2021 due to low pay."

When you allow people who quit to get unemployment, and top up unemployment with taxpayer bonuses so you make more not working than working, this is what you get.

Quitters should not get unemployment. Once upon a time, they didn't. You actually had to plan before you quit.

Now? Left-wing policies caused this. The people doing it are just following the path that Biden built for them.
 
2022-09-24 4:35:55 PM  

zgrizz: "over 60 percent of respondents said they quit their jobs in 2021 due to low pay."

When you allow people who quit to get unemployment, and top up unemployment with taxpayer bonuses so you make more not working than working, this is what you get.

Quitters should not get unemployment. Once upon a time, they didn't. You actually had to plan before you quit.

Now? Left-wing policies caused this. The people doing it are just following the path that Biden built for them.


Which clearly means states that aren't run by those dastardly leftists aren't experiencing a similar situation. What's that? THEY ARE? I'd post links but you're the type of person who thinks Newsweek is a source so
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2022-09-24 4:37:04 PM  
I used to volunteer, then work part-time at a place where I put in about three applications for full-time, permanent work per year. I was selected to interview once or twice a year. Because I was within the organization, after I'd been there a year, co-workers began to slip by to quietly tell me "they've pre-selected John Smith." I'd go to the interview and they would ask me if I had experience in an area where I had never been allowed to work; whether I had training that I had requested and been denied; and whether I had skills (such as the ability to interpret/translate to and from another language) that they already knew that I did not have. I think they just needed to interview a certain number of people, who fit certain categories, in case their files were ever reveiwed by the EEOC. I left each of those interviews feeling humiliated, but at least they were honest about the rate of pay.
 
2022-09-24 4:40:41 PM  

zgrizz: When you allow people who quit to get unemployment


[Citation needed]
 
2022-09-24 4:48:29 PM  

jjorsett: I think some of the business geniuses of Fark should start up their own companies, pay the employees what they're asking, and put their competitors out of business. Apparently it'll be easy because nobody else can see the superiority of this simple strategy.

Or maybe running a business is more complex than you think and everybody in the world who has one isn't some combination of stupid, venal, and evil.


You must know something because your shiatposting business is still going strong.
 
2022-09-24 4:57:26 PM  
The most obvious response to these types of questions is: "If nobody wants to work, why is unemployment near record lows?"
 
2022-09-24 5:08:05 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The most obvious response to these types of questions is: "If nobody wants to work, why is unemployment near record lows?"


English is a weird language, there are silent letters and even silent words.  For instance, the sentence is "If nobody wants to work for crap pay, why is unemployment near record lows?"

It is almost as if some employers do get it and realize they have to compete to get workers instead of putting something out there then complaining that people don't want to accept it.
 
2022-09-24 5:16:32 PM  
When Can You Quit Your Job and Still Receive Unemployment Benefits?
Here are some reasons for quitting that might entitle you to collect unemployment.
Constructive discharge. Most states allow employees to collect unemployment if their work situation had grown so difficult that they were essentially forced to quit (for example, if you feel that quitting is the only option because of constant sexual harassment, dangerous working conditions that your employer refuses to remedy, or a manager's demands that you commit an illegal act). If a reasonable person in that situation would have found the working conditions intolerable, quitting most likely won't make you ineligible for benefits. Legally, constructive discharge is considered a form of wrongful termination, not a voluntary quit.
Medical reasons. In many states, an employee who quits because of an illness, injury, or disability may remain eligible for unemployment. Some states require that the medical condition be linked to the job. In other words, the employee is covered only if the work caused or aggravated the medical condition.
Another job. If an employee leaves a job for other employment, most states don't consider that a disqualification for unemployment. Generally, however, the other employment must be fairly certain: An employee who quits to look for another job typically won't be covered. If you're wondering why an employee who has a new job is collecting unemployment, it's almost always because the new job didn't pan out as expected. For example, an employee might quit to take a better job, based on a firm offer, only to find that the new job never materializes.
Domestic violence. If an employee quits work for reasons relating to domestic violence, many states allow the employee to collect unemployment.
To care for a family member. In some states, an employee who quits work to care for a seriously ill family member is still eligible to collect unemployment. State laws vary as to which family members are covered and how serious the family member's condition must be.
 
2022-09-24 5:32:17 PM  

zgrizz: "over 60 percent of respondents said they quit their jobs in 2021 due to low pay."

When you allow people who quit to get unemployment, and top up unemployment with taxpayer bonuses so you make more not working than working, this is what you get.

Quitters should not get unemployment. Once upon a time, they didn't. You actually had to plan before you quit.

Now? Left-wing policies caused this. The people doing it are just following the path that Biden built for them.


You can't just quit and get unemployment. The barrier to be allowed is very high and favors the employer at every turn.
 
2022-09-24 5:58:55 PM  

Chabash: zgrizz: "over 60 percent of respondents said they quit their jobs in 2021 due to low pay."

When you allow people who quit to get unemployment, and top up unemployment with taxpayer bonuses so you make more not working than working, this is what you get.

Quitters should not get unemployment. Once upon a time, they didn't. You actually had to plan before you quit.

Now? Left-wing policies caused this. The people doing it are just following the path that Biden built for them.

You can't just quit and get unemployment. The barrier to be allowed is very high and favors the employer at every turn.


This is what FoxNews ,CNN and MSNBC have given America. These idiots believe not only that people get unemployment for quitting but that people are buying lobster and luxury cars while on food stamps. Americans are cruel and idiots.
 
2022-09-24 6:10:30 PM  
So, I once got headhunted for a position that was contract. The previous contractor was not renewing their contract. It paid meh for my experience. But, here's the kicker:

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The company was not big enough for "working for them" to be an Employee Value Proposition. And especially not "30-50 projects at a time."

Seriously, what are these businesses smoking??
 
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