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(Gothamist)   Add "rent a hotel room" to the list of things black men can't do in America   (gothamist.com) divider line
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2022-09-23 5:08:58 PM  
While I think what happened is atrocious, his art would indicate homelessness lol.
 
2022-09-23 5:36:00 PM  
Holy fark, sue the everloving shiat out of these assholes.
 
2022-09-23 8:44:01 PM  
Subby, it's pretty racist to assume black men don't know how to rent hotel rooms.
 
2022-09-23 10:26:37 PM  
I would not call the High Line in NYC a boutique hotel.

Hot bed for racists, may be
 
2022-09-23 10:36:18 PM  
Modern art = garbage? So we're reliving the 60s yet again?

He could put a frame around that hotel and recoup all his losses though.
 
2022-09-23 10:37:40 PM  
Would it not be easier to make a list of things they can do?
 
2022-09-23 10:38:57 PM  

ace in your face: While I think what happened is atrocious, his art would indicate homelessness lol.


Homelessness is subjective
 
2022-09-23 10:39:41 PM  
In the hotel's defense he did smell like a homeless person.
 
2022-09-23 10:40:29 PM  
So the security is so bad there that they regularly find homeless people sleeping in empty rooms?
 
2022-09-23 10:42:17 PM  
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2022-09-23 10:44:23 PM  
I wonder what kind of art he'll make from this.  The whole situation sucks, but I'm thinking for an artist who "mines the Internet as a living archive of Black life, death, remembrance, celebration, and survival," this will give him a lot of material to work with. 

I hope he immortalizes their actions in art that gets exposure long after the hotel has tried to settle and bury this incident.  Turn the hotel and staff into modern art pariahs.
 
2022-09-23 10:45:52 PM  
It's not that they *can't*, subby, it's that the registration forms are culturally biased.
 
2022-09-23 10:49:38 PM  

Snort: In the hotel's defense he did smell like a homeless person.


Most Farkers smell like a homeless person.
 
2022-09-23 10:51:20 PM  
Never judge a book by it's cover. I'm not homeless but I look like I should be.
 
2022-09-23 10:51:45 PM  
JC are we still questioning if "Black Lives Matter" was a joke? Do we not have any more "mature" adults any more?
 
2022-09-23 10:51:58 PM  
Like really WTF? Assuming some guest sees him going into a room and thinks he looks homeless and its breaking in because because he gets the card key wrong a few times and shakes the handle, security just takes their word for it and busts into the room? Did they review the video to verify what the complaintant saw and, if so, did they then go back to review video of the check-in to see if it matched? The other scenario is that a hotel worker saw the same thing, reported, and they did no video verification. This is wild and security is lucky he wasn't armed.
 
2022-09-23 10:56:28 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Snort: In the hotel's defense he did smell like a homeless person.

Most Farkers smell like a homeless person.


I thought I had an argument against that but then I remembered that homeless people could probably purchase and microwave hot pockets in a 7-11.
 
2022-09-23 10:59:07 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Snort: In the hotel's defense he did smell like a homeless person.

Most Farkers smell like a homeless person.


Hey now.  I am homeless and I can assure you that not everyone smells as nice as me.
 
2022-09-23 11:01:18 PM  
Racists get angry when they think a person of color is in a place where they don't belong.
Somebody getting fired. Company will settle out of court.
Corporate may or may not issue a statement depending on how much publicity this story garners.
We were recently reminded that there was a time when black people were not welcome in hotels all over America.

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2022-09-23 11:03:47 PM  

Get Rich or Try Dyin': Would it not be easier to make a list of things they can do?


Die in a hail of gunfire
 
2022-09-23 11:05:04 PM  
I'll check it out in a week or so. Despite Jessie, the BYU volleyball thing and countless other cries of wolf I'm sure this will be litigated fairly here 🙄
 
2022-09-23 11:06:57 PM  
I'm white as can be, and I've been discriminated against in hotels just for dressing casual. One time a hotel clerk got in my face as though he expected me to be homeless and thus in his Lobby without good reason. Unfortunately for him, I was the driver for the night auditor who was at the time in a meeting with the big boss.

Things did not go well for him.

//I hope a similar fate awaits this bum.
 
2022-09-23 11:11:50 PM  

morg: Like really WTF? Assuming some guest sees him going into a room and thinks he looks homeless and its breaking in because because he gets the card key wrong a few times and shakes the handle, security just takes their word for it and busts into the room? Did they review the video to verify what the complaintant saw and, if so, did they then go back to review video of the check-in to see if it matched? The other scenario is that a hotel worker saw the same thing, reported, and they did no video verification. This is wild and security is lucky he wasn't armed.


We know nothing of why they were in there.
Since we are going to make assumptions on what happened here is mine.

I'll assume it was night because he was asleep, since im assuming it was night the 2 guys entering were not cleaning people because that's noisy.  If there was a complaint of a homeless person entering the room i doubt he would have been in the room long enough to fall asleep.  My best guess... the 2 workers thought the room was empty and went in there to fark.  They were startled by someone being there and just blurted something out to distract from their intentions.

That or they have xray vision and look through all the walls for homes people.

IF someone complained as you suggested the 1st thing they would do is check the computer to see if the room is rented or not.
 
2022-09-23 11:13:48 PM  
The actions of two individuals are reflective of the company which is reflective of the state which is reflective of the nation which is reflective of the world.

Did I track that appropriately?
 
2022-09-23 11:16:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Modern art = garbage? So we're reliving the 60s yet again?

He could put a frame around that hotel and recoup all his losses though.


Looks more like garbage = modern art.

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2022-09-23 11:18:37 PM  
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2022-09-23 11:19:47 PM  

cant be arsed: I'm white as can be, and I've been discriminated against in hotels just for dressing casual. One time a hotel clerk got in my face as though he expected me to be homeless and thus in his Lobby without good reason. Unfortunately for him, I was the driver for the night auditor who was at the time in a meeting with the big boss.

Things did not go well for him.

//I hope a similar fate awaits this bum.


I'm always dressed comfortable and love when people assume things by the way I'm dressed or if I'm driving my old work minivan.  Auto assumption is I'm broke and should not be there.
I helped my daughter do a psychology project by going to a high end car dealership on a Friday with my daughter, my van, usual clothes and walked the lot for 20 minutes not 1 sales person approached.  I had to go to the desk to get assistance
Next Friday my brother went dressed nice and in my nice car and walked the same path and showed the same interest in the cars.  Less than 5 minutes he got sales guy 1, 5 minutes later sales guy 2.

To bad for them I was actually in the market for a new car and there were a few I liked but I went to the competition.
 
2022-09-23 11:22:50 PM  
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2022-09-23 11:24:31 PM  

Rage Against the Thorazine: Never judge a book by it's cover. I'm not homeless but I look like I should be.


If looks could smell.
 
2022-09-23 11:25:31 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: The actions of two individuals are reflective of the company which is reflective of the state which is reflective of the nation which is reflective of the world.

Did I track that appropriately?


Don't forget this happens to every single African American multiple times every day.
 
2022-09-23 11:28:00 PM  

morg: Like really WTF? Assuming some guest sees him going into a room and thinks he looks homeless and its breaking in because because he gets the card key wrong a few times and shakes the handle, security just takes their word for it and busts into the room? Did they review the video to verify what the complaintant saw and, if so, did they then go back to review video of the check-in to see if it matched? The other scenario is that a hotel worker saw the same thing, reported, and they did no video verification. This is wild and security is lucky he wasn't armed.


There's no upside to the staff to verify. They aren't facing any consequences for what they did & they might not have had the chance to threaten a black man if they checked first.
 
2022-09-23 11:29:54 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: The actions of two individuals are reflective of the company which is reflective of the state which is reflective of the nation which is reflective of the world.

Did I track that appropriately?


When you are employed as security staff by a company, yes you are a representative of the company.

And I don't know about the world, but this is absolutely what your rich white asshole buddies want the US to be like.
 
2022-09-23 11:34:35 PM  

morg: Like really WTF? Assuming some guest sees him going into a room and thinks he looks homeless and its breaking in because because he gets the card key wrong a few times and shakes the handle, security just takes their word for it and busts into the room? Did they review the video to verify what the complaintant saw and, if so, did they then go back to review video of the check-in to see if it matched? The other scenario is that a hotel worker saw the same thing, reported, and they did no video verification. This is wild and security is lucky he wasn't armed.


Nah, sort of alluded to it in the article - the door didn't latch. In higher end hotels:

vudukungfu: I would not call the High Line in NYC a boutique hotel.


Like this one, $600-800 a night for the next few months, the cleaning staff starts early. The door wasn't latched and it sounds like someone from the early crew walked in on him around 7am, asked if he was OK, then told management about it because the door wasn't locked. Then they sent two goons to kick him out, because the first guy thought he was a homeless freeloader.

I cannot believe a hotel that charges that much a night wouldn't check to make sure that room was actually charged for the night. He's got a pretty good case based on that alone.Either they checked and thought he wasn't the person who paid for it, or they never checked at all and tried to kick him out. Either way, they're wrong.
 
2022-09-23 11:41:23 PM  

ctighe2353: morg: Like really WTF? Assuming some guest sees him going into a room and thinks he looks homeless and its breaking in because because he gets the card key wrong a few times and shakes the handle, security just takes their word for it and busts into the room? Did they review the video to verify what the complaintant saw and, if so, did they then go back to review video of the check-in to see if it matched? The other scenario is that a hotel worker saw the same thing, reported, and they did no video verification. This is wild and security is lucky he wasn't armed.

We know nothing of why they were in there.
Since we are going to make assumptions on what happened here is mine.

I'll assume it was night because he was asleep, since im assuming it was night the 2 guys entering were not cleaning people because that's noisy.  If there was a complaint of a homeless person entering the room i doubt he would have been in the room long enough to fall asleep.  My best guess... the 2 workers thought the room was empty and went in there to fark.  They were startled by someone being there and just blurted something out to distract from their intentions.

That or they have xray vision and look through all the walls for homes people.

IF someone complained as you suggested the 1st thing they would do is check the computer to see if the room is rented or not.


Hmmm.  I know no one reads TFA, but it's all in there...

According to the HRD complaint, Irving checked into the hotel on January 20th. On the second evening of his stay, Irving returned to the hotel around 11 p.m. or midnight, and promptly went to bed.
Around 7:30 a.m. or 8 a.m. the following morning,
a white male entered the room briefly, asked if everything was OK, "as the door seemed to have not closed completely," and retreated after Irving gave an "affirmative response."
It was 30 to 40 minutes later that the two hotel workers entered the room without knocking and ordered Irving to leave, during a harangue that lasted 15 to 20 minutes - until Irving provided proof from his phone that he was a guest. "They admitted he was a hotel guest," Eisenstein told Gothamist. "They never admitted they were wrong.
 
2022-09-23 11:41:35 PM  

ace in your face: While I think what happened is atrocious, his art would indicate homelessness lol.


I see it's done in one. Would have thought he might be homeless if I saw him carrying his art.

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2022-09-23 11:46:35 PM  

SonOfSpam: Gyrfalcon: Modern art = garbage? So we're reliving the 60s yet again?

He could put a frame around that hotel and recoup all his losses though.

Looks more like garbage = modern art.

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He looks fine though I might dock him a couple points for the Polo shirt.  The stuff on the table isn't impressive to me but I doubt I'm his intended audience so he gets a pass there.
 
2022-09-23 11:48:37 PM  

Eravior: ace in your face: While I think what happened is atrocious, his art would indicate homelessness lol.

I see it's done in one. Would have thought he might be homeless if I saw him carrying his art.

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Why? His clothes are clean, he's not got some crazy beard, he has prescription glasses.

Oh... he has long hair. Is this 1955??
 
2022-09-23 11:52:05 PM  

fnordfocus: DeathByGeekSquad: The actions of two individuals are reflective of the company which is reflective of the state which is reflective of the nation which is reflective of the world.

Did I track that appropriately?

When you are employed as security staff by a company, yes you are a representative of the company.

And I don't know about the world, but this is absolutely what your rich white asshole buddies want the US to be like.

My

'rich white asshole buddies'?
 
2022-09-23 11:58:55 PM  

Combustion: Eravior: ace in your face: While I think what happened is atrocious, his art would indicate homelessness lol.

I see it's done in one. Would have thought he might be homeless if I saw him carrying his art.

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Why? His clothes are clean, he's not got some crazy beard, he has prescription glasses.

Oh... he has long hair. Is this 1955??


I had to scroll back up to confirm all that. All I remembered is the art.
 
2022-09-24 12:01:26 AM  
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2022-09-24 12:23:33 AM  

cant be arsed: I'm white as can be, and I've been discriminated against in hotels just for dressing casual. One time a hotel clerk got in my face as though he expected me to be homeless and thus in his Lobby without good reason. Unfortunately for him, I was the driver for the night auditor who was at the time in a meeting with the big boss.

Things did not go well for him.

//I hope a similar fate awaits this bum.


Arseholes everywhere. Yet your experience is possibly the fallback defence the hotel will use. Claim they weren't discriminating on race but on homelessness. That would weasel them out of racism.
 
2022-09-24 12:54:39 AM  

fnordfocus: DeathByGeekSquad: The actions of two individuals are reflective of the company which is reflective of the state which is reflective of the nation which is reflective of the world.

Did I track that appropriately?

When you are employed as security staff by a company, yes you are a representative of the company.

And I don't know about the world, but this is absolutely what your rich white asshole buddies want the US to be like.


Oh look, we found the hypocrite racist.
 
2022-09-24 1:07:30 AM  
Some info is missing from that story because it makes no sense as it stands. If a hotel employee thought a homeless guy had gone into an empty room, the first step would be to check and see if somebody had rented the room that night. Even skipping that step, as soon as the occupant said he'd rented the room, the employees should have checked then at least, instead of him having to pull up the reservation on his phone. It sort of sounds like there's no way for them to check the records. Does this hotel not have a front desk, or is it closed certain hours, or what? And like the guy said, why not call first instead of barge in? Also, if they'd simply wanted to roust him because he's Black and they're racists, why would they have stopped when he proved he was legit?
 
2022-09-24 1:08:08 AM  
Amazing the number of people who are like "well they had reason to think he was homeless lol"

Biatch, if he had money for the room, and had paid for the room, whether he was otherwise homeless or not isn't farking relevant you farking numpties.
 
2022-09-24 1:15:06 AM  

jjorsett: (snip)


It also occurs to me to wonder why he didn't call the front desk himself rather than endure a "20 minute harangue" and have to dredge the info out of his phone himself.
 
2022-09-24 1:30:41 AM  

Lsherm: morg: Like really WTF? Assuming some guest sees him going into a room and thinks he looks homeless and its breaking in because because he gets the card key wrong a few times and shakes the handle, security just takes their word for it and busts into the room? Did they review the video to verify what the complaintant saw and, if so, did they then go back to review video of the check-in to see if it matched? The other scenario is that a hotel worker saw the same thing, reported, and they did no video verification. This is wild and security is lucky he wasn't armed.


Nah, sort of alluded to it in the article - the door didn't latch


Sorry, somehow missed that. I zoned out once they got to his art career and assumed that there wouldn't be anymore relevant information. Well organized article if you don't want people to 50% of it.
 
2022-09-24 2:05:43 AM  

Flab: ctighe2353: morg: Like really WTF? Assuming some guest sees him going into a room and thinks he looks homeless and its breaking in because because he gets the card key wrong a few times and shakes the handle, security just takes their word for it and busts into the room? Did they review the video to verify what the complaintant saw and, if so, did they then go back to review video of the check-in to see if it matched? The other scenario is that a hotel worker saw the same thing, reported, and they did no video verification. This is wild and security is lucky he wasn't armed.

We know nothing of why they were in there.
Since we are going to make assumptions on what happened here is mine.

I'll assume it was night because he was asleep, since im assuming it was night the 2 guys entering were not cleaning people because that's noisy.  If there was a complaint of a homeless person entering the room i doubt he would have been in the room long enough to fall asleep.  My best guess... the 2 workers thought the room was empty and went in there to fark.  They were startled by someone being there and just blurted something out to distract from their intentions.

That or they have xray vision and look through all the walls for homes people.

IF someone complained as you suggested the 1st thing they would do is check the computer to see if the room is rented or not.

Hmmm.  I know no one reads TFA, but it's all in there...

According to the HRD complaint, Irving checked into the hotel on January 20th. On the second evening of his stay, Irving returned to the hotel around 11 p.m. or midnight, and promptly went to bed.
Around 7:30 a.m. or 8 a.m. the following morning, a white male entered the room briefly, asked if everything was OK, "as the door seemed to have not closed completely," and retreated after Irving gave an "affirmative response."
It was 30 to 40 minutes later that the two hotel workers entered the room without knocking and ordered Irving to leave, during a harangue t ...


Yep, what happened based on my extensive experience as, you know, hotel security, is something like this:

Some other employee, probably concierge or room service, saw the door ajar and looked in, saw the guest asleep. "You okay?"
"Uh yeah, sure," said the guy, half asleep.
Employee went to security and said "OMG! There's this black guy sleeping in 710! I just walked in and there he was! You better check it out!"
Security looks at the clock, thinks "F*CK! Now we gotta do a report unless we get that [etc.] out of there right now!" Stomp up to room without checking to see if guy is registered assuming that Employee came to report an actual trespasser and not just someone he wandered in on. "Blah blah blah!" they shout, hoping to scare the guy out before shift change.
Only to discover that, in fact, Employee did NOT check if the guy was a guest, and they now have to explain why they spent 30 minutes trying to intimidate a paying guest and a respected artist.
 
2022-09-24 2:17:48 AM  
Has anyone considered whether this could have been performance art?
 
2022-09-24 2:34:15 AM  

Get Rich or Try Dyin': Would it not be easier to make a list of things they can do?


Is Sex with White Women still on the list?
 
2022-09-24 3:41:32 AM  
jjorsett: Also, if they'd simply wanted to roust him because he's Black and they're racists, why would they have stopped when he proved he was legit?

Because they heard the pitter patter of the tiny feet of big farking consequences?
 
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