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2022-09-23 12:10:04 PM  
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2022-09-23 1:59:24 PM  
Forever known as "the company that saved video games" even though that's not even remotely accurate.
 
2022-09-23 2:02:37 PM  

I Like Bread: Forever known as "the company that saved video games" even though that's not even remotely accurate.


We all know the entire industry was circling the drain before Turbo Grafx 16 hit the scene.
 
2022-09-23 2:33:01 PM  
I was jonesing to play some PinBot today!
 
2022-09-23 2:55:35 PM  

I Like Bread: Forever known as "the company that saved video games" even though that's not even remotely accurate.


Coming from wrestling, where WWE has spent 40 years trying to re-write history, so I am careful to ploys such as this - who was making serious inroads into gaming post-1983? Not Mattel, Atari had its name in the mud, Commodore and Tandy were thought of more as computers, Amiga and the other MicroPCs were bigger in Europe, and Sega was an also-ran. Nintendo really did bring back games in 1984-85 in the US at the minimum.
 
2022-09-23 3:12:19 PM  
They never make any fun junk to celebrate the brothel anniversaries. Lame.
 
2022-09-23 3:16:25 PM  

saintstryfe: I Like Bread: Forever known as "the company that saved video games" even though that's not even remotely accurate.

Coming from wrestling, where WWE has spent 40 years trying to re-write history, so I am careful to ploys such as this - who was making serious inroads into gaming post-1983? Not Mattel, Atari had its name in the mud, Commodore and Tandy were thought of more as computers, Amiga and the other MicroPCs were bigger in Europe, and Sega was an also-ran. Nintendo really did bring back games in 1984-85 in the US at the minimum.


Maybe one day you'll be allowed to make the rules - but the fact is that PC gaming was thriving in 1983 and it still counts. Arcades were more popular than ever at the time as well. Demand for video games didn't budge, only the place people were getting them. You can say Nintendo revived a small localized subsection of the entire video game industry and nothing more.
 
2022-09-23 3:18:34 PM  

saintstryfe: I Like Bread: Forever known as "the company that saved video games" even though that's not even remotely accurate.

Coming from wrestling, where WWE has spent 40 years trying to re-write history, so I am careful to ploys such as this - who was making serious inroads into gaming post-1983? Not Mattel, Atari had its name in the mud, Commodore and Tandy were thought of more as computers, Amiga and the other MicroPCs were bigger in Europe, and Sega was an also-ran. Nintendo really did bring back games in 1984-85 in the US at the minimum.


The home computer crash of 1983 was due to the fad bubble bursting. Before 1983, everyone was rushing to come out with their own home computer line. The Mattel Aquarius is always given as an example of this gold-rush because Mattel never made a home computer before. All the home computer companies touted serious applications. educational, and games as part of their sales pitch.

Nintendo and Sega were pretty close to each other in delivering their 8-bit gaming system to various markets. Nintendo gets the credit because they had pretty good graphics and major success with Super Mario Brothers being bundled with the system. This lead Sega and future game companies to create a mascot that would be their flagship game.
Nintendo didn't rescue the video game market. They just got really lucky by introducing their system after the crash and having a great bundled game.
 
2022-09-23 3:29:00 PM  

I Like Bread: You can say Nintendo revived a small localized subsection of the entire video game industry and nothing more.


Atari 2600 shipped about 25 million consoles through 1989. And that started, what, 1978?

Nintendo shipped over 60 million NES consoles, from 86-92, and provided the impious for the System 3 from Sega (Master System) and Mega Drive (Genesis), which led to the consoles we know today.

They more than doubled their nearest competitor, in half the time, with them getting a 8 year head start. After the crash, game console sales slipped 97%. To dismiss the home as "a small localized subsection", when it's been driving the video game market for 30 years now, and revived that?

and I'm sorry, while PC gaming and Arcades were both money makers, they did not have the lasting, cultural impact of the home console market, that's just foolish.

SPARC Pile: Nintendo and Sega were pretty close to each other in delivering their 8-bit gaming system to various markets. Nintendo gets the credit because they had pretty good graphics and major success with Super Mario Brothers being bundled with the system. This lead Sega and future game companies to create a mascot that would be their flagship game.


the flagship character in Mario was definitely a huge thing. I also think it's because they took the games out of the toy isle and moved them into the electronics section. It became a thing like your VCR or the hi-fi. Not every place did that, but a lot did. And it made a difference.
 
2022-09-23 3:37:06 PM  
FIX MARIO MAKER 2 MULTIPLAYER!
 
2022-09-23 3:40:15 PM  

I Like Bread: Forever known as "the company that saved video games" even though that's not even remotely accurate.


Maybe video game consoles.  Even during the 1982-1983 crash, 8 bit computers sold in large quantities.

In fact, one trigger for the crash was Commodore's price cuts on their Commodore 64.  See, Commodore owned their own chip factory.  They made basically all of their own chips (CPU, memory, everything).  Not only this, that factory made the 6502 CPU used in many of their competitor's systems (computers and consoles).  This made it so they had an extreme cost advantage over, well, everybody.  So they cut the price of the C64 to where it not only was cheaper than other 8 bit computers (to $199 for the base unit), it competed against the consoles as well.  The resulting price war slaughtered half the industry.

/that, and way too many companies made way too many shiatty games
 
2022-09-23 3:40:50 PM  

I Like Bread: You can say Nintendo revived a small localized subsection of the entire video game industry and nothing more.


Do you know why NES carts have the Nintendo seal of approval on them?

Nintendo knew exactly why the video game crash of 1982 happened and they knew exactly how to ensure that it wouldn't happen again to them.

Nintendo revolutionized home gaming consoles, and as already pointed out, had near-instant success that dwarfed ALL their predecessors.


Your statement is preposterously false.
 
2022-09-23 3:42:50 PM  

saintstryfe: They more than doubled their nearest competitor, in half the time, with them getting a 8 year head start. After the crash, game console sales slipped 97%. To dismiss the home as "a small localized subsection", when it's been driving the video game market for 30 years now, and revived that?

and I'm sorry, while PC gaming and Arcades were both money makers, they did not have the lasting, cultural impact of the home console market, that's just foolish.


You forgot that this was only in the USA. So you can go ahead and compare your numbers with the GLOBAL industry.

PC gaming didn't have a lasting cultural impact? Damn, you're right. Nobody plays games on PCs any more. The three best-selling video games of all time (Minecraft, GTA5, Tetris) are all Nintendo exclusives!
 
2022-09-23 3:46:19 PM  

I Like Bread: The three best-selling video games of all time (Minecraft, GTA5, Tetris) are all Nintendo exclusives!


You do realize that Tetris and Minecraft have releases on Nintendo consoles, right?

Nintendo is absolutely a contributor to the sales success of those games.
 
2022-09-23 3:49:02 PM  

Rev.K: Do you know why NES carts have the Nintendo seal of approval on them?


Yes. Nintendo wanted to milk developers for money up-front in exchange for their distribution network. The "Seal of Quality" had no bearing on the playability of the game but it did pad Nintendo's wallet and minimize risk.
 
2022-09-23 3:50:55 PM  

Rev.K: You do realize that Tetris and Minecraft have releases on Nintendo consoles, right?


That's an odd way to say "multiplatform".
You actually think Minecraft would've bombed without a Nintendo port?
 
2022-09-23 3:55:09 PM  

I Like Bread: Yes. Nintendo wanted to milk developers for money up-front in exchange for their distribution network. The "Seal of Quality" had no bearing on the playability of the game but it did pad Nintendo's wallet and minimize risk.


Sure, that's the cynical view.

And you really think Nintendo just got lucky putting out all those classic games that were hit after hit after hit? That was just luck?


I Like Bread: That's an odd way to say "multiplatform".
You actually think Minecraft would've bombed without a Nintendo port?


Your point is that Minecraft is the #1 selling game of all-time, which it is.

Those sales numbers include copies sold on Nintendo consoles.

Would Minecraft have bombed without being released on Nintendo? No, probably not, but Minecraft owes a portion of its success to copies sold by Nintendo.

Are you always so obstinate when you say ridiculous things that people quite rightly call you out for?
 
2022-09-23 4:02:21 PM  

Rev.K: Those sales numbers include copies sold on Nintendo consoles.


And all three of those games "include" copies sold on the PS3. So?
Maybe I'm just being obstinate but sound logic should be applicable in more than one very special case, and yours isn't.
 
2022-09-23 4:02:46 PM  

I Like Bread: You forgot that this was only in the USA. So you can go ahead and compare your numbers with the GLOBAL industry.


You just love moving the goalposts.

"Nintendo didn't save video games!"

"I mean, not all video games, just console games."

"Ok, not all console games but just in the US."

Swear, are you a republican or something?
 
2022-09-23 4:05:38 PM  

I Like Bread: And all three of those games "include" copies sold on the PS3. So?
Maybe I'm just being obstinate but sound logic should be applicable in more than one very special case, and yours isn't.


Ok, I'll just leave you to your "Sh*t On Nintendo" party. You do seem to be having fun.

All by yourself.
 
2022-09-23 4:09:01 PM  

saintstryfe: You just love moving the goalposts.
Swear, are you a republican or something?


Nice "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense. Are you a libertarian or something?
Nintendo didn't save video games, period. Insisting they did, despite the impact being a fraction of a fraction of the ENTIRE INDUSTRY, is moving the goalposts.
 
2022-09-23 4:12:00 PM  
I really question if bread likes you back.
 
2022-09-23 4:19:45 PM  

Rev.K: I Like Bread: And all three of those games "include" copies sold on the PS3. So?
Maybe I'm just being obstinate but sound logic should be applicable in more than one very special case, and yours isn't.

Ok, I'll just leave you to your "Sh*t On Nintendo" party. You do seem to be having fun.

All by yourself.


Here we see the glass ego in its natural habitat, desperately trying to impress upon others it could ABSOLUTELY DESTROY them with facts and logic if they wanted to but it's just not worth it. Curiously, this creature displays its "above it all" plumage ONLY AFTER it has no points left to argue. Never before.

You were outclassed, fanboy.
 
2022-09-23 4:26:18 PM  

I Like Bread: Here we see the glass ego in its natural habitat, desperately trying to impress upon others it could ABSOLUTELY DESTROY them with facts and logic if they wanted to but it's just not worth it. Curiously, this creature displays its "above it all" plumage ONLY AFTER it has no points left to argue. Never before.

You were outclassed, fanboy.


You literally just did exactly the same thing you're accusing me of doing.

Like literally the same.

Right now.


But you go ahead and jerk yourself to sleep with how bad you think you pwned me. I'll never take that smile off your face. And frankly, I don't want to.
 
2022-09-23 4:57:05 PM  

I Like Bread: Rev.K: Those sales numbers include copies sold on Nintendo consoles.

And all three of those games "include" copies sold on the PS3. So?
Maybe I'm just being obstinate but sound logic should be applicable in more than one very special case, and yours isn't.


The PS3 took a while to "succeed" but it did make money.
 
2022-09-23 4:58:21 PM  

Rev.K: I Like Bread: Yes. Nintendo wanted to milk developers for money up-front in exchange for their distribution network. The "Seal of Quality" had no bearing on the playability of the game but it did pad Nintendo's wallet and minimize risk.

Sure, that's the cynical view.

And you really think Nintendo just got lucky putting out all those classic games that were hit after hit after hit? That was just luck?


I Like Bread: That's an odd way to say "multiplatform".
You actually think Minecraft would've bombed without a Nintendo port?

Your point is that Minecraft is the #1 selling game of all-time, which it is.

Those sales numbers include copies sold on Nintendo consoles.

Would Minecraft have bombed without being released on Nintendo? No, probably not, but Minecraft owes a portion of its success to copies sold by Nintendo.

Are you always so obstinate when you say ridiculous things that people quite rightly call you out for?


The vast majority of copies of Minecraft were sold on PC.
 
2022-09-23 5:43:47 PM  

Rev.K: You literally just did exactly the same thing you're accusing me of doing.

Like literally the same.

Right now.


Incorrect again.
If you've got any more wrong arguments to bring up I'd be glad to demolish them right here. I'm not running away declaring victory, you are.
 
2022-09-23 5:50:33 PM  
If anyone is seriously stating that Nintendo wasn't responsible for home gaming popularity you're an edgy Sega loser or worse, some PC master race try hard douchebag.
 
2022-09-23 6:17:42 PM  

Subtonic: If anyone is seriously stating that Nintendo wasn't responsible for home gaming popularity you're an edgy Sega loser or worse, some PC master race try hard douchebag.


People forget that the Atari 2600 sold 30 million units.  The Commodore 64 sold 17 million units.  The Apple II series sold 6 million units.  Video games were common before Nintendo.

Now, Nintendo certainly took it up a notch, and it probably saved consoles as being a separate thing from home computers.  But the concept of home video game machines was nothing new by the time Nintendo came along.
 
2022-09-23 6:28:41 PM  

Geotpf: Subtonic: If anyone is seriously stating that Nintendo wasn't responsible for home gaming popularity you're an edgy Sega loser or worse, some PC master race try hard douchebag.

People forget that the Atari 2600 sold 30 million units.  The Commodore 64 sold 17 million units.  The Apple II series sold 6 million units.  Video games were common before Nintendo.

Now, Nintendo certainly took it up a notch, and it probably saved consoles as being a separate thing from home computers.  But the concept of home video game machines was nothing new by the time Nintendo came along.


I only hear blubbering rationalizations and read that comment in a sad, stammering tone of voice. I'm not mad, just disappointed.

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2022-09-23 6:37:43 PM  

Geotpf: People forget that the Atari 2600 sold 30 million units.  The Commodore 64 sold 17 million units.  The Apple II series sold 6 million units.  Video games were common before Nintendo.


You could even take the argument in the other direction.

The IBM 5150 sold around 50,000 units.
What kind of moron is going to understate its influence on the entire computer industry?
 
2022-09-23 6:44:24 PM  

I Like Bread: The IBM 5150 sold around 50,000 units.


Yeah, well Van Halen's 5150 sold 8.8 million units, so THERE!
 
2022-09-23 7:10:47 PM  
Nintendo has been lying to us since 2005!

In the Animal Crossing games you can catch this "fish" in the game they are called sea butterflies. They look the the title card to this SciShow video.

The video calls them sea angels. And sea angels eat sea butterflies, which they go on to show. Look like that thing with a shell. So we've been catching lies for 17 years!

I demand retribution!

The Deadly Sea Angels
Youtube 6EGOQHrZ6Kw


*I tried to find out WTF but the sites I found swap names of them, sometimes on their own site.
 
2022-09-23 7:27:41 PM  
I've never heard anyone claim Nintendo "saved video games"

But it's undeniable they saved Pauline.

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If it weren't for Mario she'd still be stuck in DK's construction site and her sports career would be kaput!
 
2022-09-23 9:02:09 PM  

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do the mario but every time captain lou teleports the audio adjusts spatially to his location
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2022-09-23 9:48:21 PM  

I Like Bread: The IBM 5150 sold around 50,000 units.
What kind of moron is going to understate its influence on the entire computer industry?


No one, but we should note many of those were for businesses and schools, not gaming. But we're not talking about the computer industry, we're talking about home consoles. and in that area, Nintendo decimated its competitors at the time. It took until 1994 for a console to be released to exceed it, and it took 4 years. Heck, just in North America they sold more NESes then all of the Atari 2600 over its entire life span.

Let's put it simply: No NES, no Genesis, no SNES, no Playstation (Because Nintendo working with Sony brought them in), and without any of them, likely no xBox.

And let's not forget the TYPES of games either - NES excelled in things like platformers and and RPGs, games like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Zelda (more adventure game but bah). These genres were not very prevalent in Arcades, where space shooters, racers and basic puzzle games ruled, and on PC, we often had adventure titles ala Kings Quest and the RPG games were more like Ultima. The NES opened up different styles of gaming that we still enjoy today.

PC Gaming back then - and I was there so I can speak to it - was complicated, expensive and overall, niche. It was profitable, sure, but it wasn't what gaming is today. It isn't something everyone can do.

Honestly, I think you can easily put the Rushmore of Major gaming reinventions as Pong, NES, Playstation and iPhone. Pong introduced the arcade cabinet. While other machines existing, like the Oddessy, the Pong arcade made it profitable and main stream. The NES took the ideas laid down by the Oddessy, Atari 2600 and Intelivision and remade them with a simple, streamlined system that gave a lot of flexibility to the end customer, and some truly special early games, like SMB, Duck Hunt, Punch-Out! and LoZ. Playstation, while not the first disc-based media console (PC Engine CD, MegaCD, CDI and 3D0 all came out before), it showed what the format could do beyond postage stamp sized film clips over boring games. And iPhone was an early harbinger of gamings future - portable, touch screen, RMT, subscriptions (hey, I didn't say they were good inventions, but the fact is they're there.).

And I could see several other things that could go on there- Game Boy for switchable cartridge based mobile gameplay for one.

But for my money, NES is the biggest of all of them. And Nintendo saved gaming.
 
2022-09-23 10:19:17 PM  
I don't give a shiat who saved gaming, but it was Nintendo and TLoZ that got me into gaming, and that's worth a salute in my book.
 
2022-09-23 10:19:28 PM  

saintstryfe: I Like Bread: The IBM 5150 sold around 50,000 units.
What kind of moron is going to understate its influence on the entire computer industry?

No one, but we should note many of those were for businesses and schools, not gaming. But we're not talking about the computer industry, we're talking about home consoles. and in that area, Nintendo decimated its competitors at the time. It took until 1994 for a console to be released to exceed it, and it took 4 years. Heck, just in North America they sold more NESes then all of the Atari 2600 over its entire life span.


In that particular case I was talking about sales numbers having NO BEARING on the influence something has on an industry. And then you went and demonstrated how little you understood the point. Good for you, I guess.

saintstryfe: PC Gaming back then - and I was there so I can speak to it - was complicated, expensive and overall, niche. It was profitable, sure, but it wasn't what gaming is today. It isn't something everyone can do.


You sure do like downplaying the popularity of PC and arcade gaming at the time, while most folks will point those out as the major contributors to the market crash. You may have been there but you clearly weren't paying attention.

saintstryfe: The NES took the ideas laid down by the Oddessy, Atari 2600 and Intelivision and remade them with a simple, streamlined system that gave a lot of flexibility to the end customer


What the fark does this even mean? You sound like a chief of sales pitching NFTs in a mobile game.

saintstryfe: And Nintendo saved gaming.


They did not. A surplus of supply doesn't mean demand is going anywhere. People were always going to want to play games.
 
2022-09-23 11:01:11 PM  

Geotpf: Subtonic: If anyone is seriously stating that Nintendo wasn't responsible for home gaming popularity you're an edgy Sega loser or worse, some PC master race try hard douchebag.

People forget that the Atari 2600 sold 30 million units.  The Commodore 64 sold 17 million units.  The Apple II series sold 6 million units.  Video games were common before Nintendo.

Now, Nintendo certainly took it up a notch, and it probably saved consoles as being a separate thing from home computers.  But the concept of home video game machines was nothing new by the time Nintendo came along.


I doubt the NES deserves credit for having saved console games. The Sega Master System outsold it in Europe and South America. Without the NES the Master System would have become the dominant 8 bit console in North America and Japan as well. After that consoles would have simply carried on.

Computer games, meanwhile, would have barely been affected at all either way.
 
2022-09-23 11:32:21 PM  

SPARC Pile: saintstryfe: I Like Bread: They just got really lucky by introducing their system after the crash and having a great bundled game.


It's a self-congratulatory title, and really is just more ballwashing for being a legacy giant for a trend.

Marvel "saved" super hero movies. Scream "saved" the slasher genre.
Tesla "saved" the EV market.
Apple "saved" cell phones.

And I don't know how having a good idea is "luck". Bundling things is a tried a true method of anything. It isn't like there is a universe where Nintendo failed because people hated the free game.
 
2022-09-24 5:26:50 AM  
A 100 year old videogame console was a 1 bit system. The screen had one color- solid black. When the player scores points, dies, or when the game starts or ends, the screen, would briefly flicker. Parents would make their youngest kid sit next to the screen and any noise they make becomes the game's sounds. You have to whittle your own controllers out of small blocks of wood that come with the system. The biggest advantage of a 1 bit console is that since it's 1bit, you don't have to buy any games. The player decides what's going on every time the screen flickers. The historical record does not refer to this system because it was banned due to the prevalence of pornographic games.
 
2022-09-24 9:27:09 AM  

saintstryfe: I Like Bread: You can say Nintendo revived a small localized subsection of the entire video game industry and nothing more.

Atari 2600 shipped about 25 million consoles through 1989. And that started, what, 1978?

Nintendo shipped over 60 million NES consoles, from 86-92, and provided the impious for the System 3 from Sega (Master System) and Mega Drive (Genesis), which led to the consoles we know today.

They more than doubled their nearest competitor, in half the time, with them getting a 8 year head start. After the crash, game console sales slipped 97%. To dismiss the home as "a small localized subsection", when it's been driving the video game market for 30 years now, and revived that?

and I'm sorry, while PC gaming and Arcades were both money makers, they did not have the lasting, cultural impact of the home console market, that's just foolish.

SPARC Pile: Nintendo and Sega were pretty close to each other in delivering their 8-bit gaming system to various markets. Nintendo gets the credit because they had pretty good graphics and major success with Super Mario Brothers being bundled with the system. This lead Sega and future game companies to create a mascot that would be their flagship game.

the flagship character in Mario was definitely a huge thing. I also think it's because they took the games out of the toy isle and moved them into the electronics section. It became a thing like your VCR or the hi-fi. Not every place did that, but a lot did. And it made a difference.


Someone spent too much time jacking it to their C-64 or whatever it's UK equivalent was
 
2022-09-24 11:34:39 AM  
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The Nintendo headquarters from the 1800s showing Nintendo was a playing card company.  Suddenly Pokémon makes a lot more sense.
 
2022-09-24 2:17:42 PM  

dbrunker: Suddenly Pokémon makes a lot more sense.



They didn't even create Pokémon. They published the first 2 Gameboy games and realized there was a lot of money there. So they threw a bunch more money at it at the Pokémon Company was formed. Last I knew they own 35% of the Pokémon Company and exclusive rights to publish Pokémon handheld games forever.

Which makes me think that is the reason the Switch is what it is. "Let's just make this one thing that people can use anywhere and we can still suckle Pikachu's teets."

They would have got the rights anyway, but why even tempt that argument.
 
2022-09-24 5:05:23 PM  

Mr. Fuzzypaws: dbrunker: Suddenly Pokémon makes a lot more sense.

They didn't even create Pokémon. They published the first 2 Gameboy games and realized there was a lot of


I was talking about the trading card game which came out eight months after Pokémon Red & Blue, for the Gameboy.
 
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