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2022-09-22 12:38:09 PM  
Weren't the Founding Fathers(and mothers) of (Modern) Israel terrorists?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
 
2022-09-22 1:40:12 PM  
Baden-Württemberg's state commissioner for combating antisemitism

So, technically, isn't he supposed to be the antiantisemitism czar?

/antihemidemisemitist
 
2022-09-22 1:41:27 PM  
Orde Wingate was not Jewish.
 
2022-09-22 1:41:34 PM  
They say work what you know best.
 
2022-09-22 1:42:52 PM  
Disliking what Israel did/does is not antisemitism.
 
2022-09-22 1:42:59 PM  
You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.
 
2022-09-22 1:43:46 PM  
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2022-09-22 1:43:54 PM  
"He was a committed Zionist, revered as a hero and friend in Israel.

People who happily describe themselves as Zionists or Christian Dominionists are cut from the same crazy cloth.
 
2022-09-22 1:44:59 PM  
To be fair most people grow to hate their jobs.
 
2022-09-22 1:45:04 PM  
Weird, historically czars have been so pro-Jewish.
 
2022-09-22 1:45:26 PM  
Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.
 
2022-09-22 1:45:49 PM  

spongeboob: Weren't the Founding Fathers(and mothers) of (Modern) Israel terrorists?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing


The Jews that criticized the bombing were Jew-haters!
 
2022-09-22 1:45:50 PM  

dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.


Yeah, but it makes you more likely.
 
2022-09-22 1:47:34 PM  

lurkey: Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.


Are you suggesting that we need a Nomenclature Czar?
 
2022-09-22 1:48:18 PM  
Is Orde Wingate Jewish?  So now criticizing anyone who even helps Israel is antisemitic?  Past or present?
 
2022-09-22 1:48:19 PM  

The Envoy: lurkey: Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.

Are you suggesting that we need a Nomenclature Czar?


I think it's more like a Czar Czar...
 
2022-09-22 1:48:54 PM  
Nah, he sounds a right git: "...In these raids, Wingate's men sometimes imposed severe collective punishments on the villagers, which was criticised by Zionist leaders as well as Wingate's British superiors." (wiki).  His men and many superiors thought him mad, a virulent racist against Arabs and any similar people, and an all around SOB.  The wiki cites recent Jewish historians who also find his hero-worship problemmatic based on his bloodthirsty commands across several WWII campaigns.
 
2022-09-22 1:49:55 PM  

guestguy: The Envoy: lurkey: Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.

Are you suggesting that we need a Nomenclature Czar?

I think it's more like a Czar Czar...


Got it:  Anti-Czar Czar.
 
2022-09-22 1:50:37 PM  

Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.


A lot of fundamentalist Christians support the IDF and Israel, and believe that Jews are demonic beings who will burn in hell.
 
2022-09-22 1:51:19 PM  
If criticizing Israel's Defense Forces equals anti-semitism, then I'm anti-semitic as hell.
 
2022-09-22 1:51:23 PM  

NuclearPenguins: Disliking what Israel did/does is not antisemitism.


... but it's a start
 
2022-09-22 1:52:00 PM  
*adjusts instruments*

Holy crap, this thread is measuring 4.5 Mega Hitlers!
 
2022-09-22 1:52:27 PM  

deadsanta: Nah, he sounds a right git: "...In these raids, Wingate's men sometimes imposed severe collective punishments on the villagers, which was criticised by Zionist leaders as well as Wingate's British superiors." (wiki).  His men and many superiors thought him mad, a virulent racist against Arabs and any similar people, and an all around SOB.  The wiki cites recent Jewish historians who also find his hero-worship problemmatic based on his bloodthirsty commands across several WWII campaigns.


Also Wiki:
Even members of the field squads complained... that during the raids on Bedouin encampments Wingate would behave with extreme viciousness and fire mercilessly....  More than once he had lined rioters up in a row and shot them in cold blood.
Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, who as commander of Northern Palestine had authorized the SNS, told Moshe Dayan during 1966 that he considered Wingate to have "been mentally unbalanced and that the best thing he ever did was to get killed in a plane crash in 1944".
 
2022-09-22 1:52:31 PM  

guestguy: The Envoy: lurkey: Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.

Are you suggesting that we need a Nomenclature Czar?

I think it's more like a Czar Czar...


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RIP funny lady
 
2022-09-22 1:53:06 PM  

chitownmike: NuclearPenguins: Disliking what Israel did/does is not antisemitism.

... but it's a start


Whiners should get the fark over it. And stop stealing land that isn't theirs.
 
2022-09-22 1:53:36 PM  

chitownmike: NuclearPenguins: Disliking what Israel did/does is not antisemitism.

... but it's a start


Yeah, it's slippery slope.
One day, you're expressing discomfort about Palestinian children being bombed with white phosphorous, next thing you're on 4chan, posting that Hitler did nothing wrong.
 
2022-09-22 1:54:38 PM  

jso2897: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

A lot of fundamentalist Christians support the IDF and Israel, and believe that Jews are demonic beings who will burn in hell.


They are just more anti-Muslim.
 
2022-09-22 1:56:18 PM  

Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.


It's like hating Americans because we elected TFG**.
 
2022-09-22 1:56:43 PM  

chewd: guestguy: The Envoy: lurkey: Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.

Are you suggesting that we need a Nomenclature Czar?

I think it's more like a Czar Czar...

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RIP funny lady


She's slapping the shiat outta someone in heaven...
 
2022-09-22 1:57:07 PM  

Intrepid00: jso2897: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

A lot of fundamentalist Christians support the IDF and Israel, and believe that Jews are demonic beings who will burn in hell.

They are just more anti-Muslim.


I've never really understood why anybody would want to f**k with anybody who they knew was going to burn in Hell forever anyway.
 
2022-09-22 1:57:36 PM  
And how is their paper better than The Forward or Ha'aretz again?   Seems awfully orthodox without much depth.
 
2022-09-22 1:59:33 PM  
Because of the atrocities committed against jews it's impossible to criticize the religion without being labelled as an anti-semitic nazi. So they've become religious karens where anything that doesn't go their way is met with calls for sanctions.
 
2022-09-22 2:00:48 PM  

dionysusaur: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

It's like hating Americans because we elected TFG**.


I hope you just didn't argue that MAGA is in fact a silent majority.
 
2022-09-22 2:01:10 PM  

guestguy: The Envoy: lurkey: Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.

Are you suggesting that we need a Nomenclature Czar?

I think it's more like a Czar Czar...


Who's the Z'dar Czar?

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2022-09-22 2:03:52 PM  

MBooda: guestguy: The Envoy: lurkey: Can we stop calling any gov. officials the "Czar" of anything?
Unless the Romanovs are back in the Kremlin, of course.

Are you suggesting that we need a Nomenclature Czar?

I think it's more like a Czar Czar...

Who's the Z'dar Czar?

[Fark user image image 850x580]


Man the Hoff needs to lay off the prednisone for a while.
 
2022-09-22 2:03:57 PM  

dionysusaur: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

It's like hating Americans because we elected TFG**.


Not even. Everyone in the US had President Trump, while a majority of Jews aren't Israeli. Thus, commentary on the actions of the Israeli government cannot reasonably be construed as commentary on Jewry generally.
 
2022-09-22 2:05:39 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: dionysusaur: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

It's like hating Americans because we elected TFG**.

Not even. Everyone in the US had President Trump, while a majority of Jews aren't Israeli. Thus, commentary on the actions of the Israeli government cannot reasonably be construed as commentary on Jewry generally.


I watch Antiques Road Show to get commentary on Jewry. I like a lot of the Art Deco stuff.
 
2022-09-22 2:05:59 PM  
From Wiki article:

Wingate believed that resistance to infection could be improved by inculcating a tough mental attitude

He sounded anti-scientific.
 
2022-09-22 2:06:40 PM  

Intrepid00: dionysusaur: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

It's like hating Americans because we elected TFG**.

I hope you just didn't argue that MAGA is in fact a silent majority.


FARK no.
 
2022-09-22 2:07:31 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: dionysusaur: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

It's like hating Americans because we elected TFG**.

Not even. Everyone in the US had President Trump, while a majority of Jews aren't Israeli. Thus, commentary on the actions of the Israeli government cannot reasonably be construed as commentary on Jewry generally.


Exactly what I thought I was saying.
 
2022-09-22 2:10:54 PM  

Floki: From Wiki article:

Wingate believed that resistance to infection could be improved by inculcating a tough mental attitude

He sounded anti-scientific.



He was actually a hard-shell pentacostalist or something.  But that's from the old TV movie with Barry Foster.
 
2022-09-22 2:11:45 PM  
Looking into the history of the person in question, I'm not sure that any of the versions advanced are mutually exclusive. He can absolutely be seen as a zionist hero and defender of Jewish lives within the modern Israeli social and political lense. He can also be seen as a brutal mass murderer who engaged in collective punishment. One can be both of these things at the same time.
 
2022-09-22 2:12:07 PM  
I'm sure the (now former) Czar will simply say that he was trying to maximise his German Efficiency, and look for a Final Solution to Anti-Semitism.
 
2022-09-22 2:13:08 PM  
criticizing a pair of glasses is a slippery slope to the hatred of optical physics
 
2022-09-22 2:14:10 PM  

Intrepid00: dionysusaur: Intrepid00: dionysusaur: You can oppose the IDF without hating Jews in general.

Yeah, but it makes you more likely.

It's like hating Americans because we elected TFG**.

I hope you just didn't argue that MAGA is in fact a silent majority.


according to the 2020 census 2% of Americans practice Judaism.

that's less than the number of people who voted for Trump in either 2016 or 2020.

make of that what you will.
 
2022-09-22 2:19:38 PM  

fluffy_pope: deadsanta: Nah, he sounds a right git: "...In these raids, Wingate's men sometimes imposed severe collective punishments on the villagers, which was criticised by Zionist leaders as well as Wingate's British superiors." (wiki).  His men and many superiors thought him mad, a virulent racist against Arabs and any similar people, and an all around SOB.  The wiki cites recent Jewish historians who also find his hero-worship problemmatic based on his bloodthirsty commands across several WWII campaigns.

Also Wiki:
Even members of the field squads complained... that during the raids on Bedouin encampments Wingate would behave with extreme viciousness and fire mercilessly....  More than once he had lined rioters up in a row and shot them in cold blood.
Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery, 1st Viscount Montgomery of Alamein, who as commander of Northern Palestine had authorized the SNS, told Moshe Dayan during 1966 that he considered Wingate to have "been mentally unbalanced and that the best thing he ever did was to get killed in a plane crash in 1944".


Huh. Sounds like he was a murderous SOB. I'm not seeing how it's antisemitic to say so.
 
2022-09-22 2:20:58 PM  

zbtop: Looking into the history of the person in question, I'm not sure that any of the versions advanced are mutually exclusive. He can absolutely be seen as a zionist hero and defender of Jewish lives within the modern Israeli social and political lense. He can also be seen as a brutal mass murderer who engaged in collective punishment. One can be both of these things at the same time.


This seems to be the correct answer.
 
2022-09-22 2:22:25 PM  
I am so sick of saying anti Israel = Anti Semitism. It's bullshiat and needs to stop. What Israel is doing to Palestinians is a goddamned crime against humanity. Does that mean I hate Jews? Of course not, I don't even know who they are day-to-day. STFU and fix it.
 
2022-09-22 2:23:42 PM  

macadamnut: Orde Wingate was not Jewish.


Came to say this.....

He was a Christian zionist.

Kind if like how evangelicals are fervent zionists.

Not because they think jews are great, but because zionism fulfills biblical prophecy.
 
2022-09-22 2:24:34 PM  
Which race/religion card plays next?
 
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