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(CNN)   Day 211 of WW3: Over 1,300 people detained across Russia in crackdown on anti-war protests after partial mobilization. Zelensky urges UN to punish Russia for invasion and strip them of UN veto power. It's your Thursday Ukraine war discussion   (cnn.com) divider line
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2022-09-22 6:36:07 AM  
Damn. 400 troops and 28 APVs? Looks like UKR ambushed a column of reinforcements.
 
2022-09-22 6:37:46 AM  
Dumb-ass. I forgot to add the counts.

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2022-09-22 6:46:07 AM  
Vladimir the Incompetent just cannot stop shooting himself in the foot. People in Moscow are protesting his 'mobilization'. For a russian politician, that is a very bad sign. Moscow and Petrograd are the only politically-important parts of russia, and russian leaders take great pains to keep those populations quiescent, if not happy.

It will be interesting to see how the Kremlin's Bungler-in-Chief deals with the competing demands of trying to avoid an embarrassing defeat in Ukraine and avoid antagonizing the supposedly 'elite' political centers. It's highly unlikely he'll be able to achieve either, but watching him try is likely to be morbidly amusing. His weaksauce attempt at imperialism is likely to derail russia's economy for generations, and his even lamer attempts to avoid being perceived as a loser are only making his political situation less tenable.

Tick tock, Vova. There's a palace basement in your future- hopefully sooner than later.
 
2022-09-22 6:56:00 AM  
Morning everyone!

My wife and I made crepes and Mexican hot chocolate, it's in the back. Sticking with that theme, today's catering is Pedro's taco truck. Try the barbacoa.

<puts on glasses, flips page on clipboard>

Today should be interesting. Lots of Russians took to the streets last night, and the cops to protest the "partial mobilization". Last number I saw on Deutsche Well was over 1000 arrested. <sigh> Better to find your balls late than never I suppose. 211 days too late in my own opinion, but I suppose solidarity isn't generally a Russian virtue. Still, glad to see them doing it, and let's see what happens today and if they crank up the numbers to 11 or it gets cracked down to potato. Something to keep an eye on.

Yesterday we got to see a number of the iconic Azovstal defenders returned, how amazing is that?I for one am very happy to be wrong about what happened to them. Looking for mural volunteers if anyone's interested.

Also yesterday some leaked Wagner Group "how to kill prisoners" guide pages were leaked. Just when you think that organization can't get any more loathsome, someone it is says "hold vodka, watch this..." Let's hope they end up where they deserve, ie, working for a few seasons helping sunflowers grow.

The front seems to've been quiet for a few days, let's see if the UA get their engines roaring again and the map starts moving. Fingers crossed!

Keep calm and slava ukrainia.
 
2022-09-22 7:01:10 AM  
Top news for September 21:

the Russians once again fired at ZAES .

Putin announced a partial mobilization in Russia, threatened nuclear weapons and supported "referendums" in the territories occupied by the Rashists.

На росії почались Anti-war rallies have begun in Russia . Law enforcement officers detained more than 300 people.

Ukraine will expand the border strip to 2 km.

The Lithuanian army has been put on high alert .

All over the world condemned Putin's decision to mobilize.

The Chinese president called on his army to prepare for real combat operations.
 
2022-09-22 7:01:31 AM  
Finland plans to ban entry for Russians-Foreign Ministry

Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto said that Finland does not want to be a transit country for Russians traveling to other EU countries, and now the government is preparing a decision on how to limit this tourist traffic or completely stop it.
According to the minister, there are no moral or ethical grounds for Russian tourists to continue to go on vacation as if nothing had happened.
 
2022-09-22 7:02:12 AM  
D IAEA Director General plans another visit to Ukraine

Raphael Grossi, Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said that in the near future he will return to Ukraine to discuss the situation at the Zapad NPP.
 
2022-09-22 7:02:48 AM  
15 heroes at Home! Ukraine has returned defenders from captivity, including 108 Azovstal defenders

Today, an exchange of prisoners took place: some of the defenders of Mariupol and soldiers of the AZOV regiment were released from captivity. Among them are the commander of the Azov regiment Denis Prokopenko "Redis" , the head of the patrol police of Mariupol Mikhail Vershinin, senior sergeant of the 36th brigade Mikhail Dianov, " Bird" Ekaterina Polishchuk and "Orest" Dmitry Kazatsky, whose photos from" Azovstal " have spread all over the world.

It is reported that all foreign volunteers-defenders of Ukraine, who were awarded the death penalty by the Russian Federation, are already at large. Thanks to the mediation of Saudi Arabia.
 
2022-09-22 7:05:15 AM  
Russians hiat Zaporozhye with rockets

" Today's shelling has destroyed civilian infrastructure. Unfortunately, people were injured . Relevant services are working on the ground , " said the secretary of the Zaporozhye City Council Anatoly Kurtev.

In some areas of the city, electricity was lost.
 
2022-09-22 7:06:20 AM  
Ukraine is under fire. The situation in the regions as of this morning

📍 Mykolaiv region
At night, Nikolaev was subjected to heavy shelling. The strikes hiat different parts of the city. Residential buildings and civil infrastructure institutions were damaged. Details are being clarified.

📍 Dnipropetrovsk region
At night, Nikopol and Kryvyi Rih districts suffered from enemy attacks

Around midnight, the Russians covered Nikopol with Grads. They fired 20 shells at the central districts. A 35-year-old man was killed. In the city, 17 multi-storey and private houses, a gas pipeline and power lines were damaged. The streets are littered with craters and fragments of ammunition. Russian shells also landed in two hospitals, a school, a football field, a local history museum, administrative buildings, several shops and a market. The shelling also damaged the stelae on the Alley of Memory. Through the attack, 4 fires broke out in shopping kiosks and garages. Firefighters have already tamed the fire.

In Kryvyi Rih, a two-story building burned due to an attack by an enemy kamikaze drone. Rescuers extinguished the flames. No people were injured.

, Zaporizhia
In the morning, the Russians fired rockets at Zaporozhye, civilian infrastructure and civilians were damaged. The information is being updated.

Kommersant -Donetsk region
Over the past day, the Russians killed 5 civilians: 2 in Kurakhovo, 1 in Bakhmut, 1 in Avdiivka and 1 in Karlovka. Another 12 people were injured.
 
2022-09-22 7:07:03 AM  
Among those returned from Russian captivity are 10 foreigners who defended Ukraine

On September 21, it became known that Russia handed over to Saudi Arabia 10 foreign prisoners who were captured by the Russians during the war in Ukraine. Among those released are 5 Britons, 2 Americans, and citizens of Sweden, Croatia and Morocco.

British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Eslin, as well as Moroccan citizen Brahim Saadoun, who were "sentenced to death" in the so-called "DPR", were released.
 
2022-09-22 7:08:11 AM  
Ukraine is working on the exchange of "all for all"

Prosecutor General of Ukraine Andriy Kostin announced the continuation of work on the exchange of prisoners of war with the Russian side.

"We remember all those who remain in captivity. Ukraine, together with its allies, is working on an all-for-all exchange. The success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the counteroffensive increases the "exchange fund " daily. For our part, the Office of the Prosecutor General is making every effort to bring our heroes home, " Kostin said.
 
2022-09-22 7:08:51 AM  
Enemy attacks damaged 349 heating supply facilities in Ukraine

Since the beginning of a full - scale war in Ukraine, the enemy has damaged 349 energy infrastructure facilities, including 11 thermal power plants and 3 thermal power plants, - said the Minister of Community Development and Territories of Ukraine Alexey Chernyshov. As of today, 52% of all damaged objects have already been restored.
 
2022-09-22 7:09:27 AM  
Lithuanian Seimas bans broadcasting of Russian and Belarusian programs for two years

113 deputies voted "For", four abstained, and not a single vote was given against. Vytautas Juozapaitis, head of the Seimas Committee on Culture, said that in the current situation, "there is no doubt that Lithuania must protect its information space."
 
2022-09-22 7:11:25 AM  
Thanks everyone. I'll be gone for the day. I'm taking Polish girl on her first city bus ride and holding her hand to go to a methadone clinic. Wish her Godspeed.
 
2022-09-22 7:20:29 AM  

fasahd: Thanks everyone. I'll be gone for the day. I'm taking Polish girl on her first city bus ride and holding her hand to go to a methadone clinic. Wish her Godspeed.


I think you just restored my faith in humanity for the day. Take care of both of you.
 
2022-09-22 7:47:34 AM  

fasahd: Thanks everyone. I'll be gone for the day. I'm taking Polish girl on her first city bus ride and holding her hand to go to a methadone clinic. Wish her Godspeed.


Godspeed.
 
2022-09-22 7:48:42 AM  

Harlee: Damn. 400 troops and 28 APVs? Looks like UKR ambushed a column of reinforcements.


Came here to say this. Holy shiat!

Also, it looks like helicopters are likely to win in the "what will Russia run out of next?" race. In this case, the ones dedicated for invasion. Artillery was catching up for a bit but helicopters is likely next.
 
2022-09-22 7:50:30 AM  
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2022-09-22 7:58:30 AM  
Morning all.  Drawn butter is in the hot tub, bibs are on the rack to the right and Booms are a safe bet. Let's get this party started.
 
2022-09-22 8:01:18 AM  

Harlee: Damn. 400 troops and 28 APVs? Looks like UKR ambushed a column of reinforcements.


oh no, anyway.jpg
 
2022-09-22 8:04:32 AM  
get china off the security council while you're at it
 
2022-09-22 8:06:46 AM  
Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?
 
2022-09-22 8:08:09 AM  
Update from Ukraine | We continue to Fight | Ruzzia will have more losses
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Yesterdays daily Denys for those that missed it
 
2022-09-22 8:09:21 AM  
Russia declared a partial mobilisation
Youtube RgRyOWbOOMc

Yesterdays "knock 'em out cold my friends!"
/Not sure what to call him
//Like the phrase
///As is tradition
 
2022-09-22 8:10:04 AM  
People keep calling pootie, 'Vova'.

And it's correct, that is the right nickname for that name, but I always read it a vulva somehow.

And to be honest, that is also correct. That guy is a massive, menstruating pussy.
 
2022-09-22 8:13:11 AM  

palelizard: Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?


Maybe they go the route of cancelling the Soviet Union's veto, since there is no Soviet Union.  This whole war is Putin trying to resurrect the Soviet Union.
 
2022-09-22 8:14:45 AM  

Maker_of_Roads: People keep calling pootie, 'Vova'.

And it's correct, that is the right nickname for that name, but I always read it a vulva somehow.

And to be honest, that is also correct. That guy is a massive, menstruating pussy.


... and it's just a really great way to get around town.  Wait, are we talking menstrual cycle or Volvo?
 
2022-09-22 8:16:06 AM  

palelizard: Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?


should any state threatening its neighbours with nuclear war in a hissy fit because it can't win a conventional one be allowed any form representation?
 
2022-09-22 8:18:43 AM  
So Ukraine's Minister of Foreign Affairs was on Colbert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjUHY2XgIxE

They really are very good at messaging.

Mind you, the truth tends to play well, doesn't it?
 
2022-09-22 8:20:43 AM  
I know they probably endured terrible conditions, but I'm truly elated to see some Azovstol defenders returned. When they had to surrender, I was convinced we would never see them again (because they had so effectively held off the russians for so long) and I couldn't be happier to have been wrong.
 
2022-09-22 8:22:34 AM  

Zenith: palelizard: Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?

should any state threatening its neighbours with nuclear war in a hissy fit because it can't win a conventional one be allowed any form representation?


NO.
 
2022-09-22 8:24:27 AM  

some_beer_drinker: get china off the security council while you're at it


And the US? How about we just take vetos away, period. And then acknowledge that the UN is a clusterfark of masturbation.

Remind me who's been the head of the UN human rights commission recently. Hint: places with SHIAT human rights policies.

FARK the UN. They're worthless. Frankly, I'd be for dissolving the UN. "Strongly worded letter" is a joke for a REASON.

Unless they want to reach down and find their generative organs and actually do something useful, the UN can fark off, IMO.
 
2022-09-22 8:25:20 AM  

Aquapope: Maker_of_Roads: People keep calling pootie, 'Vova'.

And it's correct, that is the right nickname for that name, but I always read it a vulva somehow.

And to be honest, that is also correct. That guy is a massive, menstruating pussy.

... and it's just a really great way to get around town.  Wait, are we talking menstrual cycle or Volvo?


Both are "boxes" so it fits.
 
2022-09-22 8:26:23 AM  

Zenith: palelizard: Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?

should any state threatening its neighbours with nuclear war in a hissy fit because it can't win a conventional one be allowed any form representation?


Should doesn't enter into it. Yes, Russia SHOULD not have the veto, but by a combination of the UN Treaty and previously accepted acts, they do.

Is there a way to revoke that veto? I don't see one, and everyone with credibility in UN processes says the same.  When the UN was set up, the most powerful countries made damn sure it couldn't be used against them.  Yes, the General Assembly can vote that the Security Council should anyway. The Security Council members can veto that as well. It is rigged, and it is quite deliberately rigged. The last thing the US wanted was a bunch of "smaller poor countries" ganging up on them in the Genera Assembly. Ditto....basically anyone else with real power when the UN was created.

Stop assuming anything effective will happen via the UN, the UN was explicitly set up to prevent anything effective happening to the major nations at the time it was created - basically, the major Allies in WWII. The way around the UN is to ignore the UN and build a coalition by direct diplomacy, and if Russia tries to use the UN to stop it....we just veto them.
 
2022-09-22 8:27:00 AM  

mederu: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QyCBeymp4Rg]
Yesterdays daily Denys for those that missed it


This is weird. A few *extremely Concerned* and totally sincere posted said yesterday people watching this vid should be terrified and should be demanding Ukraine surrended immediatly. I watched the vid, i didn't hear anything terrifying. Anyone knows what these incredibly Sincere and Concerned people are referring to?
 
2022-09-22 8:31:48 AM  

Wenchmaster: Vladimir the Incompetent just cannot stop shooting himself in the foot. People in Moscow are protesting his 'mobilization'. For a russian politician, that is a very bad sign. Moscow and Petrograd are the only politically-important parts of russia, and russian leaders take great pains to keep those populations quiescent, if not happy.

It will be interesting to see how the Kremlin's Bungler-in-Chief deals with the competing demands of trying to avoid an embarrassing defeat in Ukraine and avoid antagonizing the supposedly 'elite' political centers. It's highly unlikely he'll be able to achieve either, but watching him try is likely to be morbidly amusing. His weaksauce attempt at imperialism is likely to derail russia's economy for generations, and his even lamer attempts to avoid being perceived as a loser are only making his political situation less tenable.

Tick tock, Vova. There's a palace basement in your future- hopefully sooner than later.


Not really.

What doesn't get reported much in the West is that a lot of people in Russia have drank the nationalist kool-aid, understand that the war isn't going well, and are demanding that the government step up their game. So this move will in fact please a lot of people within Russia.

Vlad is also right to try and play this out through the winter to see if the need for Russian oil causes European countries to push Ukraine to make a deal. And even if they don't, Vlad will still take a victory lap over all of the turmoil he'll have caused for the West.
 
2022-09-22 8:33:21 AM  
https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2022/22-september-according-to-novaya-gazeta-classified-7th-paragraph
"According to Novaya Gazeta, classified 7th paragraph of Putin's decree on mobilisation put number of mobilised at 1 million"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta
I needed reminder on Novaya Gazeta:
"...independent Russian newspaper known for its critical and investigative coverage of Russian political and social affairs.[2][3] It is published in Moscow, in regions within Russia, and in some foreign countries...
...Seven Novaya Gazeta journalists...have been murdered since 2000, in connection with their investigations.[4]
In October 2021, Novaya Gazeta's editor-in-chief Dmitry Muratov was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, alongside Maria Ressa, for their safeguarding of freedom of expression in their homelands...

https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/09/21/putin-announces-the-end-of-russia
Closest I've come to finding that 1M man claim:
"Putin and...Shoigu's speeches evoked the idea that there was no reason for concern: they are only missing some 300,000 reservists ...thus, the mobilisation will allegedly only affect people that have military specialisations, previously served in the army, and have military experience.
"The decree has ten paragraphs ...
"The seventh paragraph is, as of the moment of publication, missing on the official Kremlin website. It is an 'internal use paragraph', addressed to the Defence Ministry - civilians are not allowed to know the full text of the document, on the basis of which they are being sent to war, for reasons of secrecy. "


/I'll keep looking for that additional 1M man claim livemaps repeated this morning.
//It is prolly there.
///I just need a coffee first.
 
2022-09-22 8:34:36 AM  

fasahd: Ukraine is working on the exchange of "all for all"

Prosecutor General of Ukraine Andriy Kostin announced the continuation of work on the exchange of prisoners of war with the Russian side.

"We remember all those who remain in captivity. Ukraine, together with its allies, is working on an all-for-all exchange. The success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the counteroffensive increases the "exchange fund " daily. For our part, the Office of the Prosecutor General is making every effort to bring our heroes home, " Kostin said.


I mean, they're the experts and everything, but I can't help wondering if it's a good idea in the middle of a war to send a lot of captured troops back to a guy who's desperately scrounging for troops.
 
2022-09-22 8:35:24 AM  
How can a war criminal's nation be party to the UN?

Does the UN endorse war crimes?

Openly?
 
2022-09-22 8:35:28 AM  

Smoking GNU: mederu: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/QyCBeymp4Rg]
Yesterdays daily Denys for those that missed it

This is weird. A few *extremely Concerned* and totally sincere posted said yesterday people watching this vid should be terrified and should be demanding Ukraine surrended immediatly. I watched the vid, i didn't hear anything terrifying. Anyone knows what these incredibly Sincere and Concerned people are referring to?


Probably worried they'll have to leave the basement and be fed through the meat grinder after being "volunteered". The only thing of value their life will have ever brought was to become fertilizer for some sunflowers.

Or I'm mis-reading your sincerity. Caffeine injection hasn't kicked in yet.
 
2022-09-22 8:37:11 AM  

Aquapope: palelizard: Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?

Maybe they go the route of cancelling the Soviet Union's veto, since there is no Soviet Union.  This whole war is Putin trying to resurrect the Soviet Union.


I don't think the power exists within the UN Charter without Security Council approval, so there's a Catch-22 there because Russia will just veto it.

Sooner or later - God willing sooner with Ukrainian victory - there will have to be a post-war settlement. Likely involving a UN-monitored demilitarised zone along the border over a cooling-off period while Ukraine joins NATO. The UN has to remain a credible forum for peace.
 
2022-09-22 8:39:22 AM  
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In further corrections to official Russian government statements:

* In spite of the ridiculous claims of Western spies, Vladimir Putin is completely informed of the situation on the ground in his Special Military Operation in Ukraine. While he does not personally use the internet, or listen to news, or visit the front, or talk to any soldiers, or have any trusted advisors who are brave enough to tell him unpleasant truths, he has assembled a crack team of prognosticators trained at Trump University to keep him informed, and he is happy to hear that his stalwart troops are currently advancing towards Barsoom, Mars. He remains upbeat that the Martian Princess will be rescued any day now.

* Last night's heartwarming episode of the beloved children's cartoon Blyaat the Caat, in which the lovable rapscallion Jon butt-chugged diesel fuel and then drove his taxi filled with dead hookers into a Russian army recruitment center destroying it completely, was almost certainly a message to the resistance and will be investigated thoroughly. The Russian State cannot allow valuable diesel fuel to be wasted in that manner.

* Vladimir Putin has not been cursed by an evil witch to be a Russian Matryoshka nesting doll of incompetence with an infinite array of smaller and more malignant dwarfs inside each other. That idea just doesn't make any sense at all. *Touches earpiece* Wait, I'm being told . . . uh, let's move on.

* The Finance Ministry has announced that, in celebration of Vladimir Putin's call for the mobilization of three hundred thousand reservists, the chocolate ration will be increased to two grams per week.

* The extradimensional lobster known as Ska'naag, or 'It which devours by claw' continues to emit foul gasses and moan in the shattered remains of the Evropeysky Shopping Center's food court after having devoured imitation Szechuan sauce from Tasty Period. While the effort to banish the demonic being back to the dim city of Lobstrosa continue, the gathered Lobster Cultists outside the military cordon appear to be preparing a ceremonial sacrifice of Pepto Bismol and anti-acid pills. With damages to the mall complex now estimated at ten to the ten to the fourteenth BlyaatCoin, it is hoped that a solution will soon be found.
 
2022-09-22 8:40:09 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Zenith: palelizard: Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?

should any state threatening its neighbours with nuclear war in a hissy fit because it can't win a conventional one be allowed any form representation?

Should doesn't enter into it. Yes, Russia SHOULD not have the veto, but by a combination of the UN Treaty and previously accepted acts, they do.

Is there a way to revoke that veto? I don't see one, and everyone with credibility in UN processes says the same.  When the UN was set up, the most powerful countries made damn sure it couldn't be used against them.  Yes, the General Assembly can vote that the Security Council should anyway. The Security Council members can veto that as well. It is rigged, and it is quite deliberately rigged. The last thing the US wanted was a bunch of "smaller poor countries" ganging up on them in the Genera Assembly. Ditto....basically anyone else with real power when the UN was created.

Stop assuming anything effective will happen via the UN, the UN was explicitly set up to prevent anything effective happening to the major nations at the time it was created - basically, the major Allies in WWII. The way around the UN is to ignore the UN and build a coalition by direct diplomacy, and if Russia tries to use the UN to stop it....we just veto them.


The UN Charter explicitly permits self-defence. Ukrainian self defence even with aid from other countries is entirely above board. Heck, they can even invade Russia if they don't capitulate at the border.
 
2022-09-22 8:40:26 AM  
So out of over 1300, how many are new conscripts.
Or is russia conscripting women now?
 
2022-09-22 8:43:38 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: fasahd: Ukraine is working on the exchange of "all for all"

Prosecutor General of Ukraine Andriy Kostin announced the continuation of work on the exchange of prisoners of war with the Russian side.

"We remember all those who remain in captivity. Ukraine, together with its allies, is working on an all-for-all exchange. The success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the counteroffensive increases the "exchange fund " daily. For our part, the Office of the Prosecutor General is making every effort to bring our heroes home, " Kostin said.

I mean, they're the experts and everything, but I can't help wondering if it's a good idea in the middle of a war to send a lot of captured troops back to a guy who's desperately scrounging for troops.


If those soldiers go back and tell everyone exactly how farked up things are in the Russian army, then each one is a propaganda asset.

Besides, it's a Russian tradition to send any returned soldiers to the gulag since they've seen the outside world and know the truth. They aren't going to back to the fight.
 
2022-09-22 8:44:06 AM  

vudukungfu: How can a war criminal's nation be party to the UN?

Does the UN endorse war crimes?

Openly?


There are ~195 countries in the UN (majority of the world). Many who have and/or are still doing things most would consider war crimes. This is not news.
 
2022-09-22 8:44:50 AM  

thisispete: Aquapope: palelizard: Can the UN even revoke Russia's veto? Can't Russia just veto that?

Maybe they go the route of cancelling the Soviet Union's veto, since there is no Soviet Union.  This whole war is Putin trying to resurrect the Soviet Union.

I don't think the power exists within the UN Charter without Security Council approval, so there's a Catch-22 there because Russia will just veto it.

Sooner or later - God willing sooner with Ukrainian victory - there will have to be a post-war settlement. Likely involving a UN-monitored demilitarised zone along the border over a cooling-off period while Ukraine joins NATO. The UN has to remain a credible forum for peace.


I don't think it's possible for something that isn't already a credible forum for peace to remain a credible forum for peace. The structure of the UN is fatally flawed if it can't stop a war of conquest by Russia. Maybe we should just eliminate the UN and save all the extra steps to accomplish nothing.
 
2022-09-22 8:45:59 AM  
An interesting analogy comparing the Euro to the Leopard 2 tank:

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2022-09-22 8:46:07 AM  

some_beer_drinker: get china off the security council while you're at it


That's a terrible Idea. ROC should of course be on the security council. The Republic of China was a founding member!
 
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