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(BBC)   UK Government announces plans to re-start fracking despite public concerns about resulting earthquakes - the plan is to re-calibrate the equipment that detects tremors so the underground explosions don't show up   (bbc.co.uk) divider line
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2022-09-22 9:12:49 AM  
 
2022-09-22 10:05:17 AM  
"commercially viable" before all things.

That seems like a sustainable philosophy.
 
2022-09-22 11:24:49 AM  
So the UK is now following Libertarían ideals?
 
2022-09-22 11:33:03 AM  

Latinwolf: So the UK is now following Libertarían ideals?


If you mean farking everything up and then blaming the Jews for it, Dear, the British Empire invented that shiat.
 
2022-09-22 11:34:43 AM  

Latinwolf: So the UK is now following Libertarían ideals?


Thatcherite neoliberalism on steroids.
 
2022-09-22 11:35:55 AM  
Fear not, King Charles will hug a tree hard enough to stabilise the island.
 
2022-09-22 11:40:29 AM  
Why don't they just privatize the earthquakes?

/it's what Thatcher would have wanted
 
2022-09-22 11:40:43 AM  
I can't explain this so they will understand, but I'll say it anyway:

There have been unprecedented wildfires on every continent outside Antarctica (which doesn't have trees). There have been serious heatwaves and droughts. This stuff is only the prelude, and it will get worse even if we stop farking around.

This will endanger human society. We need stable agriculture, stable climates, to prevent wars, famine, and mass migrations.

We don't need more fossil fuels. We have enough. We badly need more renewable and sustainable energy (including heat).
 
2022-09-22 11:41:05 AM  
I guess they really want to avoid freezing this winter
 
2022-09-22 11:43:02 AM  
Fracking is very dangerous and harmful, but this is not surprising. The price of oil is already high enough to restart shuttered wells. Also, an oil shortage is likely this winter so prices will only go higher
 
2022-09-22 11:43:50 AM  
Look, the galaxy is literally filled with planets, so if we make this one uninhabitable we can just go live with the Martians, it'll be fine.
 
2022-09-22 11:44:03 AM  
Wasn't this an episode of Doctor Who?
 
2022-09-22 11:45:31 AM  

macadamnut: Fear not, King Charles will hug a tree hard enough to stabilise the island.


Not according to what I've heard.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/10/will-charles-iii-green-king-prince-climate-crisis

Note - this link is one where you really need to read the whole thing, as they bury the lede.
 
2022-09-22 11:46:08 AM  

Incog_Neeto: Look, the galaxy is literally filled with planets, so if we make this one uninhabitable we can just go live with the Martians, it'll be fine.


F**k off, Elon.
 
2022-09-22 11:46:28 AM  

maudibjr: I guess they really want to avoid freezing this winter


how selfish
 
2022-09-22 11:47:30 AM  
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2022-09-22 11:54:08 AM  

iron de havilland: Also:
Fracking won't work in UK says founder of fracking company Cuadrilla


In that article the guy says:

He added: "This is a sad situation. It is a let-down. There was an opportunity 10 years ago to look at this [fracking] sensibly, but that opportunity has now gone. It was worth looking at then, but it's not practical now."

So it was viable ten years ago but now that energy costs have soared it's not viable? The geology of the entire UK has changed in a decade?

And yes, we need more renewables. But the UK has added a lot of solar in the last decade, and just opened the worlds largest offshore wind farm. Hornsea 2: World's largest offshore wind farm officially launches off Yorkshire Coast | ITV News Calendar

But renewables as yet cannot provide 100% of our energy twenty four hours a day. We still need gas alongside nuclear to meet our needs.
 
jvl [BareFark]
2022-09-22 11:55:47 AM  
Fracking produces Natural Gas. Natural Gas has less CO2 emissions per unit energy than other CO2-producing energy sources. So long as you need supplemental energy beyond nuclear and green energy, this is the best bad alternative.

Saying "oh no more carbon pollution" is just silly. If natural gas is not available to burn, do you really think people will just do without electricity in winter? The right solution is to use natural gas as a near-term improvement while continuing to rapidly build green and nuclear energy.
 
2022-09-22 11:56:45 AM  
How does Jacob Rees-Mogg ever get entrusted with anything? The guy is like a cockroach. No matter the PM, he's somehow always being elevated far beyond what his accomplishments would merit.
 
2022-09-22 12:09:49 PM  
Maggie Thatcher would be proud.
 
2022-09-22 12:10:34 PM  

Shaggy_C: How does Jacob Rees-Mogg ever get entrusted with anything? The guy is like a cockroach. No matter the PM, he's somehow always being elevated far beyond what his accomplishments would merit.


If you asked someone to draw a British Tory, he's pretty much what most people would picture.

He's the archetype they all aspire to.
 
2022-09-22 12:11:21 PM  

jvl: Fracking produces Natural Gas. Natural Gas has less CO2 emissions per unit energy than other CO2-producing energy sources. So long as you need supplemental energy beyond nuclear and green energy, this is the best bad alternative.

Saying "oh no more carbon pollution" is just silly. If natural gas is not available to burn, do you really think people will just do without electricity in winter? The right solution is to use natural gas as a near-term improvement while continuing to rapidly build green and nuclear energy.


Natural gas - which is methane - is severely dangerous to the climate. Yes, if you burn every molecule it is less bad than coal. But not every molecule gets burned - there are very substantial leakages. At only 3% leakage, natural gas is as bad as coal for the climate.

Methane is a bridge fuel to nowhere. It is not a sustainable way forward. We already use it heavily. It is making our climate issue much worse.

We need to build more renewables, make better use of energy for basic needs like heat, and ultimately we need to use less energy.
 
2022-09-22 12:20:44 PM  
Is this because they want to minimize the earthquake that will be caused when the Queen explodes?
 
2022-09-22 12:26:45 PM  
Energy has to come from somewhere, unfortunately. Maybe they should ask the French for some assistance in expanding their nuclear capabilities.
 
2022-09-22 12:35:13 PM  
Is there a mechanism to allow Scotland, Wales, and Eire to rejoin the EU without England?
 
2022-09-22 12:49:29 PM  

adamatari: jvl: Fracking produces Natural Gas. Natural Gas has less CO2 emissions per unit energy than other CO2-producing energy sources. So long as you need supplemental energy beyond nuclear and green energy, this is the best bad alternative.

Saying "oh no more carbon pollution" is just silly. If natural gas is not available to burn, do you really think people will just do without electricity in winter? The right solution is to use natural gas as a near-term improvement while continuing to rapidly build green and nuclear energy.

Natural gas - which is methane - is severely dangerous to the climate. Yes, if you burn every molecule it is less bad than coal. But not every molecule gets burned - there are very substantial leakages. At only 3% leakage, natural gas is as bad as coal for the climate.

Methane is a bridge fuel to nowhere. It is not a sustainable way forward. We already use it heavily. It is making our climate issue much worse.

We need to build more renewables, make better use of energy for basic needs like heat, and ultimately we need to use less energy.


Methane is odd in that it is a significantly more powerful greenhouse gas than Carbon Dioxide, but it also lasts about 1/10 as long in the atmosphere. Burning natural gas vs. coal per capita is about the same CO2, but coal also produces a farkton way more other pollutants which is very much worse.

Although long story short, we really need to go full core press into more efficient power transmission and power storage so that renewables like solar and wind can be utilized way better than it is.
 
2022-09-22 12:54:17 PM  
When in doubt, deny the goalposts were ever there....
 
jvl [BareFark]
2022-09-22 1:13:56 PM  

SirGunslinger: Methane is odd in that it is a significantly more powerful greenhouse gas than Carbon Dioxide, but it also lasts about 1/10 as long in the atmosphere. Burning natural gas vs. coal per capita is about the same CO2, but coal also produces a farkton way more other pollutants which is very much worse.


If you burn the methane in an electrical plant, you don't have the "unburnt methane" issue.  And if it's really such an issue in home furnaces, add a regulation to add a catalytic converter to it.
 
2022-09-22 1:16:20 PM  
You are on an island. Not like you'll have hard time finding drinking water.
 
2022-09-22 1:33:50 PM  
Meanwhile there is a CO2 shortage and a possible beer shortage or price increase resulting from contaminated CO2.  What contaminates CO2 in the the Jackson Dome ?  They say volcano, I say fracking
 
2022-09-22 2:09:45 PM  

El_Dan: Energy has to come from somewhere, unfortunately. Maybe they should ask the French for some assistance in expanding their nuclear capabilities.


France is buying electricity from the UK because over half their nuclear reactors are offline at the moment.....
 
2022-09-22 2:13:32 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Is there a mechanism to allow Scotland, Wales, and Eire to rejoin the EU without England?


How would that help? France is buying electricity from the UK right now, and Europe is buying natural gas from the UK because the UK has a huge chunk of the processing capability for turning LPG into natural gas. The pipeline sending natural gas from the UK to Europe has been running at full capacity for months.

How would joining the EU make energy suddenly and magically appear?
 
2022-09-22 2:17:18 PM  

jvl: SirGunslinger: Methane is odd in that it is a significantly more powerful greenhouse gas than Carbon Dioxide, but it also lasts about 1/10 as long in the atmosphere. Burning natural gas vs. coal per capita is about the same CO2, but coal also produces a farkton way more other pollutants which is very much worse.

If you burn the methane in an electrical plant, you don't have the "unburnt methane" issue.  And if it's really such an issue in home furnaces, add a regulation to add a catalytic converter to it.


The issue of leaks starts at the well. It's not confined to the often ancient and leaky piping that feeds home methane use, and it's not an issue simply of inefficient appliances at home. If you're suggesting methane use exclusively in power plants, then it seems your suggesting electrification of homes and widespread adoption of things like heat pumps. But when these things are suggested, it's the natural gas companies that come along with dumbshiat propaganda like "cooking with gas", or tell people hear pumps don't work in cold weather.
 
2022-09-22 2:25:25 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Is there a mechanism to allow Scotland, Wales, and Eire to rejoin the EU without England?


Um, Eire, as in the Republic of Ireland, is in the EU.
 
2022-09-22 5:38:46 PM  

phalamir: Latinwolf: So the UK is now following Libertarían ideals?

If you mean farking everything up and then blaming the Jews for it, Dear, the British Empire invented that shiat.


They pretty much invented all forms of bigotry.
 
2022-09-22 5:49:30 PM  
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In 2019, the company Cuadrilla Resources caused a magnitude-2.9 earthquake at its Preston New Road site in Lancashire. Existing rules require fracking to be halted if a tremor measuring 0.5 magnitude or above is caused.

You woke me up for a 2.9?  Us Californians don't get out of [yawn] bed for anything less than a 6.0!

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