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(MSN)   The hijab is a powerful, controversial symbol, both of oppression and acceptance, depending on the circumstances. Tuesday, hundreds of Iranian women burned theirs, and openly showed, and cut, their hair, in defiance. Here's why   (msn.com) divider line
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2022-09-21 3:07:47 PM  
These women are so brave. I feel so proud of them. Good job ladies. I hope you are safe.
 
2022-09-21 6:01:42 PM  
I hope it's a new spring over there. We need some good news.
 
2022-09-21 6:01:59 PM  
You go, ladies.

Man, the shiatty patriarchy in every country can't die soon enough.
 
2022-09-21 6:02:32 PM  
Sounds like the Iranian equivalent of burning bras.

Good luck, ladies!
 
2022-09-21 6:03:12 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: You go, ladies.

Man, the shiatty patriarchy in every country can't die soon enough.


As a dude, I say, "a-f*cking-men."

Er, I mean, "a-f*cking-women."   Sorry.
 
2022-09-21 6:05:03 PM  
The mis interpreted the line from the Bob Dylan song "Everyone must get stoned"
 
2022-09-21 6:05:55 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: You go, ladies.

Man, the shiatty patriarchy in every country can't die soon enough.


But, us guys have done such a great job these last few thousand years.

Seriously though, these ladies are true heroes, and I am in awe of their bravery.
 
2022-09-21 6:06:47 PM  
It is crazy how someone with courage is said to have "balls". Testicles or lack thereof is certainly not a prerequisite for bravery. These women demonstrate that a new term is needed. Bravo and kudos for the daring of these women.
 
2022-09-21 6:06:52 PM  
Incredible and brave.
 
2022-09-21 6:07:12 PM  
So I guess France was right?
 
2022-09-21 6:07:38 PM  
Sharia don't like it.
 
2022-09-21 6:07:40 PM  
Imagine being a Republican woman.
Supporting oppression of other women.
 
2022-09-21 6:09:32 PM  
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2022-09-21 6:10:40 PM  
It starts with banning abortions, then birth control and eventually you get morality police. This is the US is on if the majority don't relegate the fascist ultraconservative minority to the dustbin of history ASAP.
 
2022-09-21 6:10:43 PM  

Tokin42: So I guess France was right?


No.

Forbidding a voluntary cultural observance is no less authoritarian than mandating one. It is essential that you understand this.
 
2022-09-21 6:11:06 PM  

Begoggle: Imagine being a Republican woman.
Supporting oppression of other women.


All Republicans need someone to look down on.
 
2022-09-21 6:11:53 PM  
Everyone remember these Iranian women?

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You might, but as soon as this happened..

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And took it right off the news.

Which is exactly what will happen to these women.   I expect to see a mass slacktivision movement until Kim Kardashian does something obnoxious, after which it will go right down the memory hole.
 
2022-09-21 6:12:01 PM  

xanadian: Smelly Pirate Hooker: You go, ladies.

Man, the shiatty patriarchy in every country can't die soon enough.

As a dude, I say, "a-f*cking-men."

Er, I mean, "a-f*cking-women."   Sorry.


You still forget to get consent first.
 
2022-09-21 6:12:29 PM  
That's the way.
 
2022-09-21 6:13:15 PM  
If only Russia would invade them, we might offer some assistance.
 
2022-09-21 6:14:27 PM  
Persian dames are hawt
 
2022-09-21 6:15:04 PM  

12YearBid: It is crazy how someone with courage is said to have "balls". Testicles or lack thereof is certainly not a prerequisite for bravery. These women demonstrate that a new term is needed. Bravo and kudos for the daring of these women.


It has to do with testosterone being produced in the testicles and testosterone having to do with muscle mass, strength and aggression.

See not that crazy.

Women produce testosterone in their ovaries and adrenal glands so....

Masculine would be wow what balls
Feminine would be wow what ovaries
Gender neutral would be wow what adrenal glands.

And now you know the correct saying for any occasion.
And yes this women have massive ovaries... good for them.
 
2022-09-21 6:15:27 PM  

Rent Party: Which is exactly what will happen to these women. I expect to see a mass slacktivision movement until Kim Kardashian does something obnoxious, after which it will go right down the memory hole.


It'll still matter to them.
 
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2022-09-21 6:15:50 PM  
Tomorrow: hundreds of Iranian women beaten, jailed, and eventually executed.
 
2022-09-21 6:16:04 PM  
Please win.
 
2022-09-21 6:16:37 PM  
 
2022-09-21 6:16:56 PM  
I sincerely hope it's a positive catalyst and it's good to raise awareness.

However, history shows that established orders tend to double down in the face of ground-level social progression.

Trump was a response to Obama, after all.
 
2022-09-21 6:17:09 PM  
Iran, before the Islamic Revolution of '79:
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2022-09-21 6:18:17 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: You go, ladies.

Man, the shiatty patriarchy in every country can't die soon enough.


Specifically, religious patriarchy.
 
2022-09-21 6:20:29 PM  

12YearBid: It is crazy how someone with courage is said to have "balls". Testicles or lack thereof is certainly not a prerequisite for bravery. These women demonstrate that a new term is needed. Bravo and kudos for the daring of these women.


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2022-09-21 6:20:42 PM  

chaoswolf: Rent Party: Which is exactly what will happen to these women. I expect to see a mass slacktivision movement until Kim Kardashian does something obnoxious, after which it will go right down the memory hole.

It'll still matter to them.


What will?  The mass arrests and trials they are going to get as soon as the cameras get pointed at whatever bread or circus act the media cooks up?   Because when that happens, the arrests are gonna get about three inches on page 5.

Honey Booboo is doing a sequel!
 
2022-09-21 6:20:44 PM  

frestcrallen: I sincerely hope it's a positive catalyst and it's good to raise awareness.

However, history shows that established orders tend to double down in the face of ground-level social progression.

Trump was a response to Obama, after all.


Iran officials will arrest you for any protest.  That's why the "God is great!" became a universal chant.  They sought a chant they could not be faulted for but not event that will protect you.
 
2022-09-21 6:21:49 PM  

ctighe2353: 12YearBid: It is crazy how someone with courage is said to have "balls". Testicles or lack thereof is certainly not a prerequisite for bravery. These women demonstrate that a new term is needed. Bravo and kudos for the daring of these women.

It has to do with testosterone being produced in the testicles and testosterone having to do with muscle mass, strength and aggression.

See not that crazy.

Women produce testosterone in their ovaries and adrenal glands so....

Masculine would be wow what balls
Feminine would be wow what ovaries
Gender neutral would be wow what adrenal glands.

And now you know the correct saying for any occasion.
And yes this women have massive ovaries... good for them.


Well put. Thank you.
 
2022-09-21 6:21:50 PM  
As a pale, pasty guy who is not under any religious constrictions, I do understand dress / behavior codes for religious sites. Ok, fine. And that certain cultures expect a level of decorum. That's a little more iffy, but most places have a "no shoes, no shirt" diktat.

But aside from respecting your particular culture while visiting it, you have no right to tell me how to dress or groom myself other than "don't be stinky in an elevator."

Anywhere else? fark off.
 
2022-09-21 6:23:18 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: The mis interpreted the line from the Bob Dylan song "Everyone must get stoned"


Because misogyny and the public execution is funny.


Asshole
 
2022-09-21 6:24:33 PM  

maxheck: As a pale, pasty guy who is not under any religious constrictions, I do understand dress / behavior codes for religious sites. Ok, fine. And that certain cultures expect a level of decorum. That's a little more iffy, but most places have a "no shoes, no shirt" diktat.

But aside from respecting your particular culture while visiting it, you have no right to tell me how to dress or groom myself other than "don't be stinky in an elevator."

Anywhere else? fark off.


Wow. How many times have you been in HR about personal hygiene? It can't always be a zoom call, steve.
 
2022-09-21 6:25:34 PM  

fragMasterFlash: It starts with banning abortions, then birth control and eventually you get morality police. This is the US is on if the majority don't relegate the fascist ultraconservative minority to the dustbin of history ASAP.


I'm pretty sure the Islamic Republic of Iran skipped all those "steps", had a revolution, and started with the Morality Police.

/Also, they legally allow more abortions than some US states.
 
2022-09-21 6:29:53 PM  

12YearBid: It is crazy how someone with courage is said to have "balls". Testicles or lack thereof is certainly not a prerequisite for bravery. These women demonstrate that a new term is needed. Bravo and kudos for the daring of these women.


Balls are weak and easily hurt. Pussies, those things can take a pounding.
 
2022-09-21 6:30:18 PM  
it will take women to change the world, and i look forward to it.
 
2022-09-21 6:31:24 PM  
Some of the hottest women on the planet - great success
 
2022-09-21 6:36:51 PM  

Stud Gerbil: If only Russia would invade them, we might offer some assistance.


If you look at our history with Iran... maybe we should stay out of it, not because the women aren't right, but because our involvement is very, very likely to cause a greater and opposite reaction.  They don't like us very much over there.
 
2022-09-21 6:37:15 PM  

Alaskan Yoda: Harry Freakstorm: The mis interpreted the line from the Bob Dylan song "Everyone must get stoned"

Because misogyny and the public execution is funny.


Asshole


That is a LOT to read into that song.

It's just the one level of wordplay.
 
2022-09-21 6:40:25 PM  
Someone fixed the cable?
 
2022-09-21 6:40:28 PM  

xanadian: Sounds like the Iranian equivalent of burning bras.

Good luck, ladies!


In a way, yes.

The medical assistant at my clinic is a Lebanese Muslim and wears the hijab. I asked her what she thought of this, and her reply was that while the hijab can be a symbol of faith and religious expression, there it (and its much more restrictive cousin, the niqab- the one that covers all but the eyes and hands) is a weapon of the state to control women.

She said she'd burn hers, too.
 
2022-09-21 6:41:05 PM  

12YearBid: It is crazy how someone with courage is said to have "balls". Testicles or lack thereof is certainly not a prerequisite for bravery. These women demonstrate that a new term is needed. Bravo and kudos for the daring of these women.


That's a core point in feminism, for what it's worth. The male default and the female subordinate is problematic to at least 50% of the population. The logical endpoint is postgender, as the terms serves little purpose in the absence of the class system they exist to perpetrate. "Gender equality" while under patriarchy will never be equality in any real sense.

This protest is evidence of that.
 
2022-09-21 6:42:37 PM  
Protests are all well and good, but we've seen before what the Iranian government will do to stay in power.    You want a revolution?  Time to get your hands dirty.   Send out women as bait in immodest dress. when the "morality" police arrive   ambush THEM, beat the crap out of them, kill a few if necessary.  Make parts of the city off limits to them because they are scared to go there.  When the Riot police come use small groups of disciplined protestors two provoke a police response, and when it arrives have thousands more pop out of nearby buildings to overwhelm them.   Start winning street battles.  Make the police and even the army afraid of you.  This government was built from blood and its the only way it will end
 
2022-09-21 6:45:11 PM  

Excelsior: Iran, before the Islamic Revolution of '79:
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Wow, I wonder how many women remeber that, they should post this everywhere and move out of the country.  Leave it a country of just men.
 
2022-09-21 6:46:43 PM  

Begoggle: Imagine being a Republican woman.
Supporting oppression of other women.


Sorry, they're not allowed to imagine things, it's against the rules.
 
2022-09-21 6:48:56 PM  

HoratioGates: Stud Gerbil: If only Russia would invade them, we might offer some assistance.

If you look at our history with Iran... maybe we should stay out of it, not because the women aren't right, but because our involvement is very, very likely to cause a greater and opposite reaction.  They don't like us very much over there.


Yeah, might be more productive/helpful to stay out of it. We don't have a good track record in the Middle East, and Iran in particular.
 
2022-09-21 6:51:07 PM  
Well the women took their hijabs off
And then they showed and cut their hair
The Muezzin didn't make his call
'Cuz all he did was stand and stare

The Basij don't like it
Freedom for women
Freedom for women
 
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