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2022-09-20 5:38:29 AM  
...and Max was on pace for a perfect game? Imagine if he did get that.
 
2022-09-20 6:25:26 AM  

kdawg7736: ...and Max was on pace for a perfect game? Imagine if he did get that.


Same deal as Kershaw (?) being clean through 7 at the start of the season. But three weeks left is the point where you protect pitchers regardless, not six months.
 
2022-09-20 7:21:05 AM  
Just don't pay him on the ass.
 
2022-09-20 8:00:51 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Just don't pay him on the ass.


You have to pony up cash for quality.
 
2022-09-20 9:07:33 AM  

sephjnr: kdawg7736: ...and Max was on pace for a perfect game? Imagine if he did get that.

Same deal as Kershaw (?) being clean through 7 at the start of the season. But three weeks left is the point where you protect pitchers regardless, not six months.


he also was just coming off the IL.  if it was a 2 run lead instead of 5 he probably would've gone out for another inning, but that would've been all

i'm amazed that he was laughing and smiling so much and accepted it rather than his usual 'don't you even think about pulling me yet' death stare
 
2022-09-20 9:37:02 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: sephjnr: kdawg7736: ...and Max was on pace for a perfect game? Imagine if he did get that.

Same deal as Kershaw (?) being clean through 7 at the start of the season. But three weeks left is the point where you protect pitchers regardless, not six months.

he also was just coming off the IL.  if it was a 2 run lead instead of 5 he probably would've gone out for another inning, but that would've been all

i'm amazed that he was laughing and smiling so much and accepted it rather than his usual 'don't you even think about pulling me yet' death stare


I'm still of the mind that hundreds of pitchers have won a world series and only 21 have a perfect game, and if you think you can get that, go for it.
 
2022-09-20 10:01:17 AM  

sephjnr: Dead for Tax Reasons: sephjnr: kdawg7736: ...and Max was on pace for a perfect game? Imagine if he did get that.

Same deal as Kershaw (?) being clean through 7 at the start of the season. But three weeks left is the point where you protect pitchers regardless, not six months.

he also was just coming off the IL.  if it was a 2 run lead instead of 5 he probably would've gone out for another inning, but that would've been all

i'm amazed that he was laughing and smiling so much and accepted it rather than his usual 'don't you even think about pulling me yet' death stare

I'm still of the mind that hundreds of pitchers have won a world series and only 21 have a perfect game, and if you think you can get that, go for it.


And then only 1 perfect game in a Series
 
2022-09-20 10:10:36 AM  

sephjnr: Dead for Tax Reasons: sephjnr: kdawg7736: ...and Max was on pace for a perfect game? Imagine if he did get that.

Same deal as Kershaw (?) being clean through 7 at the start of the season. But three weeks left is the point where you protect pitchers regardless, not six months.

he also was just coming off the IL.  if it was a 2 run lead instead of 5 he probably would've gone out for another inning, but that would've been all

i'm amazed that he was laughing and smiling so much and accepted it rather than his usual 'don't you even think about pulling me yet' death stare

I'm still of the mind that hundreds of pitchers have won a world series and only 21 have a perfect game, and if you think you can get that, go for it.


that's not him though.  he knows winning it all is way more important than adding on to his already numerous individual achievement, including 2 no hitters.  he wants to go out there and do what he does and stay in games not because of some selfish reason but because him out there is what is best for the team most of the time.  what's best for the team here though is him being there in october, not chasing a chance at personal glory.  he only had like 68 pitches through 6 so could've comfortably got through nine innings under 110 if he got the perfecto which he can do in his sleep if he was 100% and needed to

of course he'd have wanted to do it and thought he could, but there are more important things especially at this stage in his career
 
2022-09-20 10:25:19 AM  
I think the important thing is the Mets need to celebrate this achievement to the fullest and, hopefully, over-indulge to the point of not playing well for the next, oh, 1-2 games or so....


/Brewers fan hoping to get a WC spot
 
2022-09-20 10:28:28 AM  

TheTossedCoin: I think the important thing is the Mets need to celebrate this achievement to the fullest and, hopefully, over-indulge to the point of not playing well for the next, oh, 1-2 games or so....


/Brewers fan hoping to get a WC spot


would much rather the brewers than phils
 
2022-09-20 10:44:23 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: he knows winning it all is way more important than adding on to his already numerous individual achievement, including 2 no hitters.  he wants to go out there and do what he does and stay in games not because of some selfish reason but because him out there is what is best for the team most of the time.  what's best for the team here though is him being there in october, not chasing a chance at personal glory.  he only had like 68 pitches through 6 so could've comfortably got through nine innings under 110 if he got the perfecto which he can do in his sleep if he was 100% and needed to

of course he'd have wanted to do it and thought he could, but there are more important things especially at this stage in his career


The team's already won it all, that's my point. Something that just over 20 guys have done in the game's entire history shouldn't be relegated to a 'selfish reason'. especially a defensive crown in the game where defense is being marginalised further and further year after year. Dingers and wins are the selling point of the game but will be put to the side, then forgotten days to month later in search of the next. But Perfects? Sixteen teams don't have one and only five have more than one. Let's call that grail a grail for just once.
 
2022-09-20 10:56:32 AM  

sephjnr: The team's already won it all


did i sleep for a month and a half and the world series is over already?
 
2022-09-20 11:01:52 AM  

sephjnr: Dead for Tax Reasons: he knows winning it all is way more important than adding on to his already numerous individual achievement, including 2 no hitters.  he wants to go out there and do what he does and stay in games not because of some selfish reason but because him out there is what is best for the team most of the time.  what's best for the team here though is him being there in october, not chasing a chance at personal glory.  he only had like 68 pitches through 6 so could've comfortably got through nine innings under 110 if he got the perfecto which he can do in his sleep if he was 100% and needed to

of course he'd have wanted to do it and thought he could, but there are more important things especially at this stage in his career

The team's already won it all, that's my point. Something that just over 20 guys have done in the game's entire history shouldn't be relegated to a 'selfish reason'. especially a defensive crown in the game where defense is being marginalised further and further year after year. Dingers and wins are the selling point of the game but will be put to the side, then forgotten days to month later in search of the next. But Perfects? Sixteen teams don't have one and only five have more than one. Let's call that grail a grail for just once.


There's all sorts of emphasis on defense these days.
 
2022-09-20 11:06:30 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

did i sleep for a month and a half and the world series is over already?


Were you asleep 2 years ago?
 
2022-09-20 11:08:37 AM  

Dafatone: sephjnr: Dead for Tax Reasons: he knows winning it all is way more important than adding on to his already numerous individual achievement, including 2 no hitters.  he wants to go out there and do what he does and stay in games not because of some selfish reason but because him out there is what is best for the team most of the time.  what's best for the team here though is him being there in october, not chasing a chance at personal glory.  he only had like 68 pitches through 6 so could've comfortably got through nine innings under 110 if he got the perfecto which he can do in his sleep if he was 100% and needed to

of course he'd have wanted to do it and thought he could, but there are more important things especially at this stage in his career

The team's already won it all, that's my point. Something that just over 20 guys have done in the game's entire history shouldn't be relegated to a 'selfish reason'. especially a defensive crown in the game where defense is being marginalised further and further year after year. Dingers and wins are the selling point of the game but will be put to the side, then forgotten days to month later in search of the next. But Perfects? Sixteen teams don't have one and only five have more than one. Let's call that grail a grail for just once.

There's all sorts of emphasis on defense these days.


Indeed. From next year they can't shift, have to spend less time in between pitching and can only pick off a couple of times before forfeiting movement.

One of these is good, one is horseshiat and the other's a maybe. But it's still marginalisation.
 
2022-09-20 11:11:27 AM  

sephjnr: The team's already won it all


The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.
 
2022-09-20 11:14:38 AM  

The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.


And waaaaay back in my OP I said I *agreed* with this call by this team at this time when the playoffs start in a fortnight, not half a year away.
 
2022-09-20 11:16:37 AM  

sephjnr: Dead for Tax Reasons: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

did i sleep for a month and a half and the world series is over already?

Were you asleep 2 years ago?


no, were you?  he had a crap year for the nats and the dodgers won
 
2022-09-20 11:18:21 AM  

sephjnr: The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.

And waaaaay back in my OP I said I *agreed* with this call by this team at this time when the playoffs start in a fortnight, not half a year away.


and then you quickly contradicted yourself in your second comment saying he should've gone back out there
 
2022-09-20 11:19:13 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: sephjnr: The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.

And waaaaay back in my OP I said I *agreed* with this call by this team at this time when the playoffs start in a fortnight, not half a year away.

and then you quickly contradicted yourself in your second comment saying he should've gone back out there


I was talking about Kershaw the entire time, not Scherzer.
 
2022-09-20 11:33:13 AM  

sephjnr: Dead for Tax Reasons: sephjnr: The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.

And waaaaay back in my OP I said I *agreed* with this call by this team at this time when the playoffs start in a fortnight, not half a year away.

and then you quickly contradicted yourself in your second comment saying he should've gone back out there

I was talking about Kershaw the entire time, not Scherzer.


i was talking about max the whole time, which is the topic at hand.  kershaw never entered my mind

but you still said he should both be taken out and stay in

/schrodinger's perfect game
 
2022-09-20 12:03:11 PM  

The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.


True, and the Braves have the easier schedule, but just barely - playing the horrid Nationals 6 times and Miami 3 times, vs. the Mets playing the Nats 3 times, Oakland 3 times and Miami twice.

The real important series is Mets v. Braves at the end of September and first week of October. Whichever comes out ahead after that is gonna be your 2nd seed.
 
2022-09-20 12:06:15 PM  

phimuskapsi: The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.

True, and the Braves have the easier schedule, but just barely - playing the horrid Nationals 6 times and Miami 3 times, vs. the Mets playing the Nats 3 times, Oakland 3 times and Miami twice.

The real important series is Mets v. Braves at the end of September and first week of October. Whichever comes out ahead after that is gonna be your 2nd seed.


On paper the Cards are only 6.5 games back on the Mets, but I've been too ridiculous in this thread already to contemplate it.
 
2022-09-20 12:07:30 PM  

sephjnr: phimuskapsi: The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.

True, and the Braves have the easier schedule, but just barely - playing the horrid Nationals 6 times and Miami 3 times, vs. the Mets playing the Nats 3 times, Oakland 3 times and Miami twice.

The real important series is Mets v. Braves at the end of September and first week of October. Whichever comes out ahead after that is gonna be your 2nd seed.

On paper the Cards are only 6.5 games back on the Mets, but I've been too ridiculous in this thread already to contemplate it.


Yeah, only 14 games left. Weirder shiat's happened, but naah
 
2022-09-20 12:14:18 PM  

phimuskapsi: The Bestest: sephjnr: The team's already won it all

The Mets are still fighting tooth and nail with the Braves for the division, something that means the difference between the 2nd seed and a bye or 4th seed and facing a best of 3 series where anything can happen and your only reward is being fed to the Dodgers.

True, and the Braves have the easier schedule, but just barely - playing the horrid Nationals 6 times and Miami 3 times, vs. the Mets playing the Nats 3 times, Oakland 3 times and Miami twice.

The real important series is Mets v. Braves at the end of September and first week of October. Whichever comes out ahead after that is gonna be your 2nd seed.


The Braves were projected to have a slightly harder final month, but that's mostly because they had to play the Giants the other week.  Now they're past that, unless one team completely craps the bed in the next week, it's coming down to a face-off between the teams directly.  Personally, that's how I like to see it:  The season should matter down to the wire, with the outcome determined by a direct matchup.  Whichever team comes out ahead, we're going to get a hell of a show.
 
2022-09-20 12:28:54 PM  
Perfect ... through six innings.    If someone pitches four perfect innings and is pulled, is that remarkable?   How about three innings?   Five?

How about eight?   Eight-plus is being "pulled from a perfect game".   Not anything less than that.
 
2022-09-20 12:30:02 PM  
*sigh*

I saw him pitch 2-3 times as a Snake.  All he did was throw first pitch strikes.  Will never understand why the shiatty ass Snakes traded him.  we probably still have the same shiatty ass GM that decided to let him go.

My heart always breaks a little bit when I see him on ESPN.
 
2022-09-20 12:47:40 PM  

sephjnr: Dafatone: sephjnr: Dead for Tax Reasons: he knows winning it all is way more important than adding on to his already numerous individual achievement, including 2 no hitters.  he wants to go out there and do what he does and stay in games not because of some selfish reason but because him out there is what is best for the team most of the time.  what's best for the team here though is him being there in october, not chasing a chance at personal glory.  he only had like 68 pitches through 6 so could've comfortably got through nine innings under 110 if he got the perfecto which he can do in his sleep if he was 100% and needed to

of course he'd have wanted to do it and thought he could, but there are more important things especially at this stage in his career

The team's already won it all, that's my point. Something that just over 20 guys have done in the game's entire history shouldn't be relegated to a 'selfish reason'. especially a defensive crown in the game where defense is being marginalised further and further year after year. Dingers and wins are the selling point of the game but will be put to the side, then forgotten days to month later in search of the next. But Perfects? Sixteen teams don't have one and only five have more than one. Let's call that grail a grail for just once.

There's all sorts of emphasis on defense these days.

Indeed. From next year they can't shift, have to spend less time in between pitching and can only pick off a couple of times before forfeiting movement.

One of these is good, one is horseshiat and the other's a maybe. But it's still marginalisation.


I don't particularly like the no shifting rule, but it's going to make defense MORE important because teams won't be able to cover up poor defenders with positioning.
 
2022-09-20 1:04:41 PM  
*Dodgers and Yankees nod sagely* Playoffs are easy to achieve once your payroll gets over a quarter billion  dollars
 
2022-09-20 1:12:56 PM  

rickythepenguin: *sigh*

I saw him pitch 2-3 times as a Snake.  All he did was throw first pitch strikes.  Will never understand why the shiatty ass Snakes traded him.  we probably still have the same shiatty ass GM that decided to let him go.

My heart always breaks a little bit when I see him on ESPN.


He's my favorite player since greg maddux. If anything i attribute max for making me interested in baseball again, period.

He wasn't robbed of anything though, dude is getting up there in years and doesnt need to risk another injury before the playoffs.
 
2022-09-20 1:37:13 PM  

mikaloyd: *Dodgers and Yankees nod sagely* Playoffs are easy to achieve once your payroll gets over a quarter billion  dollars


HEY I LIKE LEADING CHEER FOR THE FOREGONE VICTORS!

/f&ck the dodgers
 
2022-09-20 1:50:53 PM  

mikaloyd: *Dodgers and Yankees nod sagely* Playoffs are easy to achieve once your payroll gets over a quarter billion  dollars


do you need some milk for this spicy take?
 
2022-09-20 2:01:52 PM  

Dafatone: [...]

I don't particularly like the no shifting rule, but it's going to make defense MORE important because teams won't be able to cover up poor defenders with positioning.


For me good positioning is a key asset of good defense and defenders should be able to adjust based on who's batting, and restricting adjustments sounds artificial. That's why I don't agree with the extent (if not the premise) of banning shifting.
 
2022-09-20 2:09:05 PM  

phedex: doesnt need to risk another injury before the playoffs.


re the MLB pitch clock, i imagine a whole lot of elbow doctors are polishing their resumes, re Tommy John..

Or maybe MLB "accidentally" makes the ball lighter, to prevent elbow injuries, or mandates lighter bats. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.  they're making the  bases bigger (why?) and.....pitch clock.
 
2022-09-20 2:15:13 PM  

rickythepenguin: phedex: doesnt need to risk another injury before the playoffs.

re the MLB pitch clock, i imagine a whole lot of elbow doctors are polishing their resumes, re Tommy John..

Or maybe MLB "accidentally" makes the ball lighter, to prevent elbow injuries, or mandates lighter bats. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.  they're making the  bases bigger (why?) and.....pitch clock.


Improving the chances of landing on it before the tag. I'm OK with that, but I'd prefer a law that prevented basemen from completely obstructing the plate before the ball comes in, and I'm morally OK with every baseman that insists on pre-emptively blocking the whole plate catching some studs to the shin.
 
2022-09-20 2:19:50 PM  

sephjnr: For me good positioning is a key asset of good defense and defenders should be able to adjust based on who's batting, and restricting adjustments sounds artificial. That's why I don't agree with the extent (if not the premise) of banning shifting.


had this EXACT discussion at a game last week.  how is MLB going to police it?  lines in the dirt?  lefty vs righty pitcher, "he hits the ball this way vs LHPs, but against RHPs he goes this way, "they just brought in a lefty".  Runner on first?  bases loaded?  it's so dumb.  Can the infield come onto the grass?  Play deep?

as a long suffering Snakes fan, the Snakes had 3B and 1B on Luis Gonzales's bloop single.  Had Derek Jeter been playing where he always does, that's an out.  Joe Torre drew the infield in - IS THAT A SHIFT?  - and a bloop, "excuse me" swing, normallly an out, went over Jeter's head and hit - barely - the grass, to score Jake Bell.

beat the shift by beating it.  what is it?
 
2022-09-20 2:30:31 PM  

rickythepenguin: sephjnr: For me good positioning is a key asset of good defense and defenders should be able to adjust based on who's batting, and restricting adjustments sounds artificial. That's why I don't agree with the extent (if not the premise) of banning shifting.

had this EXACT discussion at a game last week.  how is MLB going to police it?  lines in the dirt?  lefty vs righty pitcher, "he hits the ball this way vs LHPs, but against RHPs he goes this way, "they just brought in a lefty".  Runner on first?  bases loaded?  it's so dumb.  Can the infield come onto the grass?  Play deep?

as a long suffering Snakes fan, the Snakes had 3B and 1B on Luis Gonzales's bloop single.  Had Derek Jeter been playing where he always does, that's an out.  Joe Torre drew the infield in - IS THAT A SHIFT?  - and a bloop, "excuse me" swing, normallly an out, went over Jeter's head and hit - barely - the grass, to score Jake Bell.

beat the shift by beating it.  what is it?


They announced exactly what the rule would be last week.

-The four infielders must be within the outer boundary of the infield (i.e. cleats in the dirt) when the pitcher is on the rubber.
-Infielders may not switch sides. In other words, a team cannot reposition its best defender on the side of the infield the batter is more likely to hit the ball.
-If the infielders are not aligned properly at the time of the pitch, the offense can choose an automatic ball or the result of the play.
-This rule does not preclude a team from positioning an outfielder in the infield or in the shallow outfield grass in certain situations. But it does prohibit four-outfielder alignments.

The defensive team must have a minimum of four players on the infield, with at least two infielders completely on either side of second base. These restrictions are intended to increase the batting average on balls in play, to allow infielders to better showcase their athleticism and to restore more traditional outcomes on batted balls.
 
2022-09-20 2:58:26 PM  

The Bestest: rickythepenguin: sephjnr: For me good positioning is a key asset of good defense and defenders should be able to adjust based on who's batting, and restricting adjustments sounds artificial. That's why I don't agree with the extent (if not the premise) of banning shifting.

had this EXACT discussion at a game last week.  how is MLB going to police it?  lines in the dirt?  lefty vs righty pitcher, "he hits the ball this way vs LHPs, but against RHPs he goes this way, "they just brought in a lefty".  Runner on first?  bases loaded?  it's so dumb.  Can the infield come onto the grass?  Play deep?

as a long suffering Snakes fan, the Snakes had 3B and 1B on Luis Gonzales's bloop single.  Had Derek Jeter been playing where he always does, that's an out.  Joe Torre drew the infield in - IS THAT A SHIFT?  - and a bloop, "excuse me" swing, normallly an out, went over Jeter's head and hit - barely - the grass, to score Jake Bell.

beat the shift by beating it.  what is it?

They announced exactly what the rule would be last week.

-The four infielders must be within the outer boundary of the infield (i.e. cleats in the dirt) when the pitcher is on the rubber.
-Infielders may not switch sides. In other words, a team cannot reposition its best defender on the side of the infield the batter is more likely to hit the ball.
-If the infielders are not aligned properly at the time of the pitch, the offense can choose an automatic ball or the result of the play.
-This rule does not preclude a team from positioning an outfielder in the infield or in the shallow outfield grass in certain situations. But it does prohibit four-outfielder alignments.

The defensive team must have a minimum of four players on the infield, with at least two infielders completely on either side of second base. These restrictions are intended to increase the batting average on balls in play, to allow infielders to better showcase their athleticism and to restore more traditional outcomes on batted balls.


The above explanation really makes the most sense without overhauling space or personnel.

My mind went in the direction of creating more field space to guarantee BH/XBH for a short period; after spending the last fifteen minutes thinking of a T20 Power Play variant and doodling fielder positions I came to the conclusion that in order to properly make more green you'd have to remove a fielder.
 
2022-09-20 3:34:22 PM  

The Bestest: They announced exactly what the rule would be last week.


whoa, I did not know that.  Thanks, truly.  I just saw, "MLB bans the shift in 2023"

still, without quoting the entire post, there's a lot of wiggle room.  "4 players with cleats in the dirt, two on either side of 2B, they can still bring and OF in, but no 4 OF....."  and "in certain situations"?  what does that mean?  Game 3 of the season, the hapless Snakes vs the Nationals, it's ok, vs a World Series game 3?

Snakes v Dodgers last week.  one batter, Dodgers shifted SS to shallow center, 3B to right of second, 2B in shallow right center, 1B on the grass.  Snake fouled off 1-2 pitches.  Dodgers moved all 4 infielders to "traditional" spots, and we struck out anyways. I guess our kid, on a certain pitch count, goes right, but if the count is against him, it's game on.  weird.

/fabric of baseball
///warrior code, you'll never understand
///get better or get going, etc.
 
2022-09-20 4:13:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: The Bestest: They announced exactly what the rule would be last week.

whoa, I did not know that.  Thanks, truly.  I just saw, "MLB bans the shift in 2023"

still, without quoting the entire post, there's a lot of wiggle room.  "4 players with cleats in the dirt, two on either side of 2B, they can still bring and OF in, but no 4 OF....."  and "in certain situations"?  what does that mean?  Game 3 of the season, the hapless Snakes vs the Nationals, it's ok, vs a World Series game 3?

Snakes v Dodgers last week.  one batter, Dodgers shifted SS to shallow center, 3B to right of second, 2B in shallow right center, 1B on the grass.  Snake fouled off 1-2 pitches.  Dodgers moved all 4 infielders to "traditional" spots, and we struck out anyways. I guess our kid, on a certain pitch count, goes right, but if the count is against him, it's game on.  weird.

/fabric of baseball
///warrior code, you'll never understand
///get better or get going, etc.


I'm not sure why they threw "certain situations" in there. But you can go 5 infielders, or make an outfielder into almost-an-infielder. But you can't go 4 outfielders.
 
2022-09-20 4:26:24 PM  
I think the simplest explanation is that the 3B and SS are confined to the left side of the infield and likewise the 2B and 1B to the right side until the pitch is made, everything else is pretty much fair game
 
2022-09-20 4:38:37 PM  

Dafatone: I'm not sure why they threw "certain situations" in there. But you can go 5 infielders, or make an outfielder into almost-an-infielder. But you can't go 4 outfielders.


i'm no fan of the shift, it's just like..........how are you going to police that?  4 fielders on dirt, and the picther starts his windup, with runners on 1B and 2B (aka, double steal)? "within the confines of the dirt", ok.  I guess.

the comparison is, as a huge NFL fan, have you noticed how every other NFL team sags the guard and tackle off, to make a wedge?  Trip 3 formation, the TE of the tackle, you got basically the center and two WRs on the LOS.  I scream, "illegla formation!" every time.  yet it's became the norm.

I just have to see, I guess, how MLB handles this.  bases loaded, bring the OF in. Bunt situation.

it just will lead to "mini-shifts". "ok boys, we need 8 feet on the dirt, our anayltics show he hits to right, so, you two, stand over there, no runners on, i want the 1B and 2B as far back as possible....."  stupid.
 
2022-09-20 4:43:23 PM  

The Bestest: I think the simplest explanation is that the 3B and SS are confined to the left side of the infield and likewise the 2B and 1B to the right side

while staying on the dirt until the pitch is made, everything else is pretty much fair game

This, but there's a lot of dirt for the basemen to shift into.
 
2022-09-20 4:46:11 PM  

rickythepenguin: [...] it just will lead to "mini-shifts". "ok boys, we need 8 feet on the dirt, our anayltics show he hits to right, so, you two, stand over there, no runners on, i want the 1B and 2B as far back as possible....."  stupid.


Also this. But as the basemen have to stay on the dirt there's more emphasis on lateral movement to compensate for grounders. CF can come forward a little but he can't overcompensate to the right/left too much as if the hitter slices it's a free hit.
 
2022-09-20 5:57:36 PM  

rickythepenguin: Dafatone: I'm not sure why they threw "certain situations" in there. But you can go 5 infielders, or make an outfielder into almost-an-infielder. But you can't go 4 outfielders.

i'm no fan of the shift, it's just like..........how are you going to police that?  4 fielders on dirt, and the picther starts his windup, with runners on 1B and 2B (aka, double steal)? "within the confines of the dirt", ok.  I guess.

the comparison is, as a huge NFL fan, have you noticed how every other NFL team sags the guard and tackle off, to make a wedge?  Trip 3 formation, the TE of the tackle, you got basically the center and two WRs on the LOS.  I scream, "illegla formation!" every time.  yet it's became the norm.

I just have to see, I guess, how MLB handles this.  bases loaded, bring the OF in. Bunt situation.

it just will lead to "mini-shifts". "ok boys, we need 8 feet on the dirt, our anayltics show he hits to right, so, you two, stand over there, no runners on, i want the 1B and 2B as far back as possible....."  stupid.


4 infielders on dirt, 2 on each side of second base, when the pitch is thrown. That's the rule.
 
2022-09-20 6:36:04 PM  

Dafatone: rickythepenguin: Dafatone: I'm not sure why they threw "certain situations" in there. But you can go 5 infielders, or make an outfielder into almost-an-infielder. But you can't go 4 outfielders.

i'm no fan of the shift, it's just like..........how are you going to police that?  4 fielders on dirt, and the picther starts his windup, with runners on 1B and 2B (aka, double steal)? "within the confines of the dirt", ok.  I guess.

the comparison is, as a huge NFL fan, have you noticed how every other NFL team sags the guard and tackle off, to make a wedge?  Trip 3 formation, the TE of the tackle, you got basically the center and two WRs on the LOS.  I scream, "illegla formation!" every time.  yet it's became the norm.

I just have to see, I guess, how MLB handles this.  bases loaded, bring the OF in. Bunt situation.

it just will lead to "mini-shifts". "ok boys, we need 8 feet on the dirt, our anayltics show he hits to right, so, you two, stand over there, no runners on, i want the 1B and 2B as far back as possible....."  stupid.

4 infielders on dirt, 2 on each side of second base, when the pitch is thrown. That's the rule.


can't wait to see all the wasted time reviewing if a player was actually in the correct position at the exact moment of the pitch.
 
2022-09-20 8:10:39 PM  

sephjnr: The Bestest: I think the simplest explanation is that the 3B and SS are confined to the left side of the infield and likewise the 2B and 1B to the right side while staying on the dirt until the pitch is made, everything else is pretty much fair game

This, but there's a lot of dirt for the basemen to shift into.


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