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2022-09-16 9:44:48 AM  
Texans telling of their own history is a real exercise in puffery, I'll tell you what.

I visited the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco this summer, which was pretty good. I guess I'm supposed to actually give them credit for mentioning the abuses by the Rangers way back that led to their reform and reorganization. But is was certainly cursory. Everything in Texas is bigger except the negative light, which they do their damndest to extinguish.
 
2022-09-16 9:53:03 AM  
Treat it like Ozzy did The Alamo.
 
2022-09-16 10:07:57 AM  
Boy, when folks decided to examine American history from the perspective of Black people, it really touched some raw nerves, huh? I wonder if this Texas project will explain the origins of Juneteenth and how Texas slaves were the last to get news of the Emancipation Proclamation. I may have to get my hands on a copy of this just to see how inclusive Texas is about its history.
 
2022-09-16 10:24:21 AM  
So 1619 was created to examine slavery's lasting effects on America. And conservatives have a problem with that because...?

I can only assume it means they think slavery was good.
 
2022-09-16 10:27:01 AM  
Texas:  I didn't put the bullet in the furnace and stop talking about my mother!
 
2022-09-16 10:34:23 AM  
Texas declared independence from Mexico because the Texans wanted to keep their slaves.
 
2022-09-16 10:34:47 AM  
REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!

PLEASE DON'T REMEMBER WHY THEY WERE FIGHTING!
 
2022-09-16 10:35:16 AM  

Jake Havechek: Treat it like Ozzy did The Alamo.


I remember the Alamo! It has no basement.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
2022-09-16 10:36:02 AM  
The racist cowards keep trying to edit history to fit their own view.      1836 is a lesson in ignorance and stupidity.   It is not a full history class.
 
2022-09-16 10:36:13 AM  
FTA: and how "Texas became so exceptional."

WANKINGMOTION.GIF
 
2022-09-16 10:37:07 AM  
I thought Texas 1836 Project was the sampler platter at Texas Roadhouse
 
2022-09-16 10:37:36 AM  

edmo: Texans telling of their own history is a real exercise in puffery, I'll tell you what.

I visited the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco this summer, which was pretty good. I guess I'm supposed to actually give them credit for mentioning the abuses by the Rangers way back that led to their reform and reorganization. But is was certainly cursory. Everything in Texas is bigger except the negative light, which they do their damndest to extinguish.


As someone who had to go through the Texas public school system, let me tell you, 'puffery' does not even begin to describe it. For example, when they start teaching kids about 1836, they always mention the war started because "Mexico wanted the land back." But conveniently avoids explaining why Mexico wanted the land back.
 
2022-09-16 10:38:02 AM  
Expect to hear a lot more about "guest workers," at least through the Civil War era
 
2022-09-16 10:38:07 AM  
A brochure featuring the approved text will be given to those seeking a Texas driver's license, according to the Houston Chronicle.

I hope their brochure includes that time they illegally kidnapped immigrants for a publicity stunt.
 
2022-09-16 10:38:08 AM  
At least come up with an original name for your right wing indoctrination schemes.

Moreover the 1619 Project wasn't created for the sole purpose of "triggering" white conservatives, you snowflakes. If they wanted to do that, they'd simply put a Black Lives Matter sign in your sight.
 
2022-09-16 10:40:44 AM  
I read the article.

"Some critics of the Texas 1836 Project have pointed out their concerns with the pamphlet - including its title, which highlights the year of Texas' independence from Mexico but does not include the emancipation date of enslaved Black and Indigenous people."

Texas is awful in a lot of ways, but if all critics have a problem with is that it doesn't have the emancipation date of slaves in the title then that's a pretty farking infinitesimal complaint. I'll hold my outrage for something legitimate.
 
2022-09-16 10:41:18 AM  
I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't fully grasp the whole "yeah, the 1836 revolution was mostly driven by Santa Anna starting to enforce Mexico's ban on owning other people" part of Texas history until some point after 2012.

We were taught some vague stuff about "freedom," with the right to not be Catholic being a major issue.
 
2022-09-16 10:42:11 AM  

Brosephus: Boy, when folks decided to examine American history from the perspective of Black people, it really touched some raw nerves, huh? I wonder if this Texas project will explain the origins of Juneteenth and how Texas slaves were the last to get news of the Emancipation Proclamation. I may have to get my hands on a copy of this just to see how inclusive Texas is about its history.


What's weird is that Juneteenth has been celebrated here in Austin for as long as I can remember - and the origin of that date was always freely told. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Abbott and his right wing buffoon cadre are truly, truly racist... but that's just the tip of the iceberg, which no doubt is never mentioned in Texas textbooks regarding the Titanic.
 
2022-09-16 10:42:24 AM  
Figures that last slave state would do this. Too stupid to be original. Remember that a sizeable portion of the population of this state has to put the state's name on everything just so that they remember where they live.
/why does the Texas state flag have only one star?
//that's as high as they can count
///it's a rating
 
2022-09-16 10:42:45 AM  

Brosephus: Boy, when folks decided to examine American history from the perspective of Black people, it really touched some raw nerves, huh? I wonder if this Texas project will explain the origins of Juneteenth and how Texas slaves were the last to get news of the Emancipation Proclamation. I may have to get my hands on a copy of this just to see how inclusive Texas is about its history.


The very existence of Texas is because the US wanted another slave state added to the  Union.   Texas was annexed into the US by an act of congress.   We should unannex them the same way.
 
2022-09-16 10:43:12 AM  
Much of the Texas Declaration is against the Roman Catholic church, without whose blessing you couldn't own land, have legitimate children, or have legal standing.   There was also, at the time an ongoing battle, with the General and Dictator who stole the Mexican government and eliminated the actual lawfully elected president.

Where would the Texas GOP be today without the one-note ulltraconservative catholics and the election deniers?  Truthfully interpreted 1836 is just as damming as 1619 (which is about  a hundred years after Texas was surveyed and explored by a Spaniard and a Muslim African in the 1520s).
 
2022-09-16 10:43:49 AM  
Let's call the state by its original name of Tejas then.
 
2022-09-16 10:44:15 AM  

NateAsbestos: So 1619 was created to examine slavery's lasting effects on America. And conservatives have a problem with that because...?

I can only assume it means they think slavery was good.


My experience with the non-MAGA conservative in my life is that things that they interpret things like this as zero sum.  Doing things for a historically marginalized group such as Black Americans is (to them) impossible unless you are simultaneously doing something against white men.  There's no nuance.  It's as simple as elevating [minority group] is an attack on white men simply by definition, without citing any sort of basis.

It's ridiculous and infuriating, and honestly at this point it seems impossible to reach them to help demonstrate where whatever the thing is is coming from.  I'm at the point where I'm convinced the only way out for us as a country is for the people that think like that to age out and die off sufficiently to become a small enough bloc to not be able to muster political power except in maybe small local instances.  I guess either that or another massive, destructive, war.  Preferably the first option though.
 
2022-09-16 10:45:22 AM  

Jake Havechek: Treat it like Ozzy did The Alamo.


When Ozzy eventually passes are there 95 others willing to join me in having our own "96 gun" tribute to the Prince Of Darkness at the Alamo?
 
2022-09-16 10:45:24 AM  
Wasn't that the year slavery was re-instituted in Texas after being banned by Mexico?  That year?

Apropos of everything going on today I see Texas.
 
2022-09-16 10:45:28 AM  

Jake Havechek: Treat it like Ozzy did The Alamo.


I was going to snark and say "piss on it?"

Then I looked it up - yup, piss on it.
 
2022-09-16 10:46:11 AM  
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That's some real Candieland thinking right there
 
2022-09-16 10:46:57 AM  
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2022-09-16 10:47:08 AM  
Six Flags needs to be renamed since Texas is now under a MAGA flag, the seventh regime to control that shiat state.
 
2022-09-16 10:47:10 AM  

Spaced Lion: edmo: Texans telling of their own history is a real exercise in puffery, I'll tell you what.

I visited the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco this summer, which was pretty good. I guess I'm supposed to actually give them credit for mentioning the abuses by the Rangers way back that led to their reform and reorganization. But is was certainly cursory. Everything in Texas is bigger except the negative light, which they do their damndest to extinguish.

As someone who had to go through the Texas public school system, let me tell you, 'puffery' does not even begin to describe it. For example, when they start teaching kids about 1836, they always mention the war started because "Mexico wanted the land back." But conveniently avoids explaining why Mexico wanted the land back.


They did the same thing in my history classes when I attended public school in suburban Missouri.
 
2022-09-16 10:47:37 AM  

Brosephus: Boy, when folks decided to examine American history from the perspective of Black people, it really touched some raw nerves, huh? I wonder if this Texas project will explain the origins of Juneteenth and how Texas slaves were the last to get news of the Emancipation Proclamation. I may have to get my hands on a copy of this just to see how inclusive Texas is about its history.


I wonder if they will include these parts:

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/lily-white-movement

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/texas-regulars

/Just kidding; none of that will be mentioned.
 
2022-09-16 10:48:21 AM  
Well I mean they are the reason for Junteenth.  So see they do things for POC.
 
2022-09-16 10:49:02 AM  
Remember the Main

/thing is to Remember the Alamo!
//Return it with a full tank of gas!
 
2022-09-16 10:49:27 AM  
I read the document. It reads like high school book report.

I particularly love that they call out the Democratic party for enacting Jim Crow laws, then when discussing LBJ's civil and voting rights acts don't mention which party he was a member of, and then finally, make clear that both Bush's were Republicans.
 
2022-09-16 10:51:20 AM  

Brosephus: Boy, when folks decided to examine American history from the perspective of Black people, it really touched some raw nerves, huh? I wonder if this Texas project will explain the origins of Juneteenth and how Texas slaves were the last to get news of the Emancipation Proclamation. I may have to get my hands on a copy of this just to see how inclusive Texas is about its history.


I'd hazard a guess that they'll skip over cases like Alfred Irving completely.
 
2022-09-16 10:52:05 AM  
So Texas history starts at 1836?


Are they going to mention the whole Mexico won't let us have slaves, WTF let's riot overthrow the government and have out own government with blackjack and hookers slaves and cousin marriage
 
2022-09-16 10:54:03 AM  
Why are they using the year Texas left Mexico (1836), and not the year they joined the US (1845)? I thought these were proud and patriotic Americans...

// is it so that they won't have to detail how farking broke and useless the Texas Republic's nine years of existence was, until they practically BEGGED the US to take them as a new state?
// are they gonna talk about why the State of Texas is so small compared to the Republic, and why they had to lose ~half their land before joining The Land of the Free?
 
2022-09-16 10:54:41 AM  

Aquapope: Six Flags needs to be renamed since Texas is now under a MAGA flag, the seventh regime to control that shiat state.


It turns into a Trump property. Gold toilets and a killer omelette bar.
 
2022-09-16 10:55:13 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Why are they using the year Texas left Mexico (1836), and not the year they joined the US (1845)? I thought these were proud and patriotic Americans...


Texan first, American second.
 
2022-09-16 10:55:41 AM  

Brosephus: Boy, when folks decided to examine American history from the perspective of Black people, it really touched some raw nerves, huh? I wonder if this Texas project will explain the origins of Juneteenth and how Texas slaves were the last to get news of the Emancipation Proclamation. I may have to get my hands on a copy of this just to see how inclusive Texas is about its history.


At least Texas slaves were emancipated, Delaware slaves had to wait for the 13th Amendment to be ratified.

https://whyy.org/articles/juneteenth-did-not-mean-freedom-for-delaware-slaves/
 
2022-09-16 10:55:53 AM  
FTA: The brochure touches on Texas' complicated history with slavery, which is described as "far from perfect."

That sentence gives me the impression that Texas had a strong desire to achieve "perfect slavery".
 
2022-09-16 10:56:44 AM  
The History of Loss, Failure and Participation Trophies.
 
2022-09-16 10:57:24 AM  
If you're reading history and it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and proud then you're not reading history. You're reading propaganda.

fark republicans, fark Texas, and fark all these racists.
 
2022-09-16 10:57:38 AM  
Texans sure did a thorough job of murdering and driving away the locals.  There are just three Reservations in Texas.  One is a pueblo in the actually-New-Mexico part of the state established during the 1680 Pueblo Revolt, the second is a tiny group of Kickapoo people invited to live in Tejas by Spain to serve as a buffer between Spain and the United States, and the third is a group of Muscogee people who fled to Spanish Tejas to avoid being murdered east of the Mississippi by Anglo Americans.  All the people who lived in Tejas prior to the Spanish arrival were driven out by the Texans.
 
2022-09-16 10:58:57 AM  

edmo: Texans telling of their own history is a real exercise in puffery, I'll tell you what.

I visited the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco this summer, which was pretty good. I guess I'm supposed to actually give them credit for mentioning the abuses by the Rangers way back that led to their reform and reorganization. But is was certainly cursory. Everything in Texas is bigger except the negative light, which they do their damndest to extinguish.


Texas doesn't even have the balls to admit that the reason why they went to war with Mexico is that they wanted to keep their slaves, and slavery was illegal in Mexico.

So yeah, I bet that the bulk of anything that is taught about Texas history is a lot of made up bullsh*t.
 
2022-09-16 11:00:54 AM  
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2022-09-16 11:04:09 AM  
your mom 69 project
 
2022-09-16 11:07:02 AM  
Everything's bigger in Texas, especially their assholes.
 
2022-09-16 11:09:09 AM  
I'm always amused by just how triggered all the MAGA snowflakes are by the mere existence of the 1619 project.  And now they have make all their conservative versions: 1836 project, 1776 project, etc.
 
2022-09-16 11:09:57 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Wasn't that the year slavery was re-instituted in Texas after being banned by Mexico?  That year?

Apropos of everything going on today I see Texas.


It may have been 1825 1829   that slavery was banned in the new nation of Mexico (funny that New Mexico existed before Mexico) as it ceased to be New Spain.  New Spain getting redefined in about 1823.

Texas got an extension to keep slavery in 1829 when it was banned in the country in 1829.  I'm sure it was to help out attracting immigrants  from the US.
 
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