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(Scotsman)   Experts advise Britons not to fight back against the increasing number of home invaders or they'll go to jail. In other news, it's legal to kill someone in your house in South Carolina   (news.scotsman.com) divider line
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2004-12-09 3:13:43 PM  
Don't even get me started on this one....The law truly is "an ass" over there on the issue of self-defense.
 
2004-12-09 3:22:29 PM  
Don't let the home invaders fall and hurt themselves either. Put up night lights so they don't stub their toes and sue.
 
2004-12-09 3:23:04 PM  
Colorado has a "Make my Day" law, if I'm not mistaken.....
 
2004-12-09 3:23:24 PM  
I don't get it, you are supposed to coddle someone who has broken into your home? Wouldn't it be better to shoot them dead, or possibily hit them in the head with a bat over and over again?

Personally I sleep with an axe next to my bed, and a loaded shotgun in the closet, just to deal with this exact situation.

boom
 
2004-12-09 3:30:56 PM  
Wouldn't it be better to shoot them dead, or possibily hit them in the head with a bat over and over again?

can't do that in britain. even scumbag burglars have the right to burgle in peace
 
2004-12-09 3:33:31 PM  
"your natural instincts are to defend yourself, your family and your own property - the very pillars of your life that are being violated and potentially destroyed by criminals."

Well, doesn't that make sense...?
 
2004-12-09 3:35:07 PM  
so your just supposed to let the invaders come in and let them take everything?? i say do whatever you gotta do to protect yourself and your property....its you or them..hmmm i wonder...

what is wrong with people sometimes??
 
2004-12-09 3:38:31 PM  
Farkshower1972: Colorado has a "Make my Day" law, if I'm not mistaken.....

Mistaken you are not.
 
2004-12-09 3:38:51 PM  
short.bus
Well, doesn't that make sense...?

The trouble is that in Britain you can only use "reasonable force". That means if someone is coming at you with a knife you are probably allowed to stab him, if they have a gun you can shoot them.

The problem arises when someone wakes up in bed, discovers some low-life in their house and clubs the little bastard with a baseball bat (or should that be cricket bat). In this situation it is difficult to prove "reasonable force" (especially if the criminal was unarmed).
 
2004-12-09 3:42:51 PM  
While crime rates throughout America fell in the 1990s, Make My Day supporters point to a second statistic in Oklahoma they say proves the impact of the new law: while burglary rates plunged, other forms of theft stayed constant. In 1988, there were 96,418 cases, in 2000, 96,111.

Similar anti-burglar laws have now been adopted in Colorado and Arizona. The reason, said Sen Ford, was simple: "The law works. We were in the grip of a violent burglary epidemic."


lol....I shot expert with both rifle and pistol while in the Navy, and I've got a brand new 9mm that's only been fired three times at the range......

/ Bring 'em on
 
2004-12-09 3:48:16 PM  
It's laws like this that are the reason Britain isn't the great empire it once was.

Well, laws like this and other things too, I suppose.
 
2004-12-09 3:49:16 PM  
I'm a liberal with a shotgun. My taxes can pay for the burglar's funeral.
 
2004-12-09 3:49:20 PM  
Great freakin headli...hey you, whadda you doin in my hou..BLAM....
 
2004-12-09 3:50:42 PM  
If i find you in my house, I'm going to hurt you badly.
 
2004-12-09 3:50:57 PM  
Guns don't kill people, I kill people...

/obscure reference
 
2004-12-09 3:51:16 PM  
South Carolina also has case law that suggests the car is an extension of the home and therefore car-jackers can be killed as home-invaders. Car-jacking is common in NYC in Columbia not so much.
 
2004-12-09 3:51:31 PM  
You officially sacrifice your life entering someone's house.
 
2004-12-09 3:51:33 PM  
Farkshower1972: Colorado has a "Make my Day" law, if I'm not mistaken.....

Mistaken you are not.


As does North Carolina.


// shotgun for home defense: there can be nothing more intimidating to an intruder than hearing a shotgun shell being chambered.
 
2004-12-09 3:51:50 PM  
farkshower1972
I've shot Expert with a rifle, and Marksman First Class with a pistol.

/Note: I'm under 18 :D
 
2004-12-09 3:52:16 PM  
stories like this are why we laugh at britain when anyone uses them as an example of effective gun control
 
2004-12-09 3:52:36 PM  
LOL. Remember when "don't fight, just go along with it" was the suggested response to airline hijacking?
Eventually something horrendously tragic will happen which will show this up for the bullshiat it is as well.
 
2004-12-09 3:52:47 PM  
"the victim should adopt a state of active passivity"
and
By doing nothing there is no chance of inadvertently initiating violence by saying something such as "Please dont hurt me".


What a load of crap. Maybe home invasions are different over there but here in Atlanta good luck with "active passivity".
 
2004-12-09 3:53:08 PM  
moops
Since when is Richard Kiel's character in Happy Gilmore obscure?
 
2004-12-09 3:53:16 PM  
"Once a man is in your home anything you do to him is nice and legal."

[image from duffzone.co.uk too old to be available]
 
2004-12-09 3:53:25 PM  
It must be so cool to be a burgler there where the law is on your side.
 
2004-12-09 3:53:27 PM  
Home invaders, don't try that shait in Texas. From what I'm told as long as they are on your property, you can shoot them even if they're running away.
 
2004-12-09 3:54:00 PM  
Unreal.

Down here in the swamps, you can pretty much shoot people for thinking about your property. Except you can't do it in the kitchen. If they're just stealing food, gunfire is a no-no.

/Sig Sauer .40 w/ 10 HydraShoxs in the clip
//in the nightstand
//safety off (no kids)
 
2004-12-09 3:54:03 PM  
Remember, after you shoot them, put a kitchen knife near them.

They grabbed a knife, I was scared...
They grabbed a knife, I was scared...

/Saves the legal system a fortune if you eliminate your own trash
 
2004-12-09 3:54:18 PM  
Who are these experts and have they ever been robbed?
 
2004-12-09 3:54:19 PM  
Why not nip it in the bud and just put all your belongings out on the street so they don't have to 'invade' to begin with?

Remember, it takes a village...
 
2004-12-09 3:55:31 PM  
Im a texan, and we can kill ya if your on are property and we "feel threatened" no one and i mean no one even walks on your lawn in texas. GOD BLESS TEXAS!
 
2004-12-09 3:55:35 PM  
"If you attack the burglar, or react in an "over the top" manner, as was recently illustrated in the case of Tony Martin who shot intruders in his Norfolk farmhouse, you will inevitably end up on the receiving end of a prison sentence that will far outstrip that imposed on the intruder in your own home."


But what if you are someone who had killed the original owners of the house, and squatted in the house; then someone breaks in the house you took over, and attacks you. Can you kill that guy, since you are both criminals ?

 
2004-12-09 3:56:11 PM  
there can be nothing more intimidating to an intruder than hearing a shotgun shell being chambered

I had a criminal law prof a few semesters ago who suggested that noise be incorporated into burglar alarms. That alone should be enough to scare offf almost anyone.
 
2004-12-09 3:56:28 PM  
Oh, and the same applies to your car. But you're supposed to ask them if they're carjacking you before you shoot.
 
2004-12-09 3:56:35 PM  
In many ways the law still points to his particular attack on the intruders who entered his home as a pre-meditated assault.
So, the law believes that he knew that the burglar was coming that night? Should he have put out a welcome mat? Popped some champagne?
 
2004-12-09 3:57:27 PM  
England, WTF??? You used to rule half the fricken world.

I'm totally speechless.
 
2004-12-09 3:57:34 PM  
This...is my BOOMSTICK

/baby....you got reeeal ugly
 
2004-12-09 3:57:39 PM  
moops
Was that Danny Vermin, played by Joe Piscopo in "Johnny Dangerously"?
 
2004-12-09 3:57:43 PM  
When I lived in South Carolina I purchased a S&W 9mm for shooting at the range. One of my friends was the county sherrif and I asked him what the law was regarding the use of force should someone break into my home(btw, I'm originally from England). He told me that I should shoot them and shoot them dead. It makes it a lot easier. There is less paperwork and no one to contradict your story.

During one of the big hurricanes, Ruben Greenberg, the Charleston Chief of Police warned looters to stay out of peoples' homes during the evacuation. Adding that they would be lucky if the police got to them before the homeowner.
 
2004-12-09 3:58:03 PM  
When having a weapon is criminal...
 
2004-12-09 3:58:38 PM  
I won't have a gun in my house, but I will have a taser.
 
2004-12-09 3:58:42 PM  
pipmaster2004: The trouble is that in Britain you can only use "reasonable force". That means if someone is coming at you with a knife you are probably allowed to stab him, if they have a gun you can shoot them.

"They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send on of his to the morgue! That's the Chicago way."
 
2004-12-09 3:58:57 PM  
"The trauma can be dealt with in a number of ways with professional help, counselling to develop effective coping strategies and taking time off from stressful professional activities."

I have another way.. Blow the intrudars Farking head off... then go fishing.

/Article makes me want to go burlarize a home in Britain.
 
2004-12-09 3:59:06 PM  
That was a depressing ass article. I guess the point was that you're farked either way, but it's safer to let the bad guy do all the farking?
 
2004-12-09 3:59:26 PM  
Soon this thinking will expand from houses to entire countries, and crimanals will rule the earth.
 
2004-12-09 3:59:51 PM  
buntz: "Once a man is in your home anything you do to him is nice and legal."

Flanders: Heidley-ho, neiborino!
Wiggum: Uh, Homer, it doesn't count if you invite him over.
Homer: Go home Flanders!
Flanders: Okiely-okiely!

(From memory)
 
2004-12-09 3:59:52 PM  
Imagine no possessions...
 
2004-12-09 4:00:00 PM  
You know, in NC you can shoot someone outside of your home but the minute they come INTO your home you can't hurt them.
bullshiat if you ask me.
 
2004-12-09 4:00:03 PM  
'Tis true for Texas. My detective uncle says you can shoot a burglar even if he's running away and is in your yard (not even the house) He does say, though, that if you want everything to be nice and clean with regards to any question once you shoot him in the yard drag him into the house and it'll be all good.

I love Texas.
 
2004-12-09 4:00:09 PM  
EmilyK: Pump or semi-auto? There's no more frightening sound than hitting the release to chamber a shell in my Browning Auto-Five Light Twelve. I've seen what it can do to small game birds. I've learned to wait to fire until they fly a bit farther away.

/I feel like pheasant tonight...
 
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