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(NBC News)   When your small town's Spaceport never gets off the ground   (nbcnews.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Space tourism, Launch pad, Spaceport, International Space Station, commercial spaceport, Space exploration, Spaceport America, Camden County  
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2022-09-03 7:48:26 PM  
"A commercial spaceport?  It put Ogdenville, Brockway and North Haverbrook on the map."
 
2022-09-03 8:22:53 PM  
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2022-09-03 8:56:21 PM  
"In 2015, officials in Camden County pitched a bold idea to their 54,000 residents: a commercial spaceport to be built along one of the most pristine stretches of the Georgia coast."

Hmmmmm, why does Camden County sound familiar?

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Ah, yes. That's it!
 
2022-09-03 9:17:58 PM  
The Union Carbide site was a chemical plant that processed methyl isocyanate - same chemical that leaked in Bhopal, India. The plant eventually closed. Also, a large paper mill in town shut down in about 2002, IIRC. There is the King's Bay Submarine base, but I don't know how active it is since the end of the Cold War.
 
2022-09-03 10:04:30 PM  
What could possibly go wrong with launching spacecraft over populated areas that also happen to be environmentally sensitive.

I see companies just lining up for the opportunity to fark themselves over should something go wrong.
 
2022-09-03 11:19:54 PM  
Could be worse. You could be wherever SpaceX set up in Texas that now hates the deal they agreed to because rockets are not nice things to be around
 
2022-09-04 12:10:17 AM  
See, they should have thrown in a monorail with the spaceport. That's what was missing. That's why it failed.
 
2022-09-04 12:29:25 AM  
The closest town to Rocket Lab's Launch Complex 1 in NZ is Gisborne, population 37,000. But that was built by the company itself. Not an "if you build it, they will come" kind of thing.
 
2022-09-04 12:29:40 AM  
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2022-09-04 12:34:28 AM  
This didn't happen in the town I went to high school in? I'm completely shocked!

There is something weird about this place. Almost exactly in the middle of Phoenix-Tucson, less than an hour to each. PLUS-2 interstates intersect there. Hell, one of the two starts there.

Shoikd be prime, PRIME farking real estate.

Since the 80s, when I lived there, there have been proposals at least 3 times for major Six Flags type amusement parks. We've also seen a massive printing plant come and go. Then there is something called "PhoenixMart" that was supposed to be kind of a strip mall for large projects. Got a major hotel to outfit? A huge office building? These were supposed to be your guys. That particular bit of fun was supposed to open in 2013, currently, there are walls, a roof, and part of the concrete slab for flooring. Then you have the "Domes", a supposedly haunted spot that was yet another failed "next big thing". They just constantly have boondoggles come thru the door, and NONE of them actually work.

So I'm really surprised that this isn't in AZ...
 
2022-09-04 12:37:34 AM  
Georgia, huh? Great idea putting a spaceport there. Because when arriving on earth, you want the human equivalent of this greeting new arrivals:

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2022-09-04 12:38:04 AM  

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Used to do a lot of field work in the area.... First thing that sprang to mind upon reading the headline.
 
2022-09-04 12:41:20 AM  
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2022-09-04 12:42:12 AM  
Meet Georgia, Jetson

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2022-09-04 12:44:02 AM  
"This happens in any technology market - it's inevitable," Autry said. "It's no different from the boom that you had with the internet in the '90s or the crypto investors a few years ago. You get a lot of people where this is not their domain and they make poor investment decisions."

Oh fark youuuuuu.  Have you ever considered not trying to turn the entire world into money?

Pocket Ninja: See, they should have thrown in a monorail with the spaceport. That's what was missing. That's why it failed.


A giant slide.
Maybe they could turn them into solar farms and solve a few problems, instead of making parking lots for rocketships.
 
2022-09-04 12:44:17 AM  
That was a good read.
 
2022-09-04 12:46:16 AM  

labman: What could possibly go wrong with launching spacecraft over populated areas that also happen to be environmentally sensitive.

I see companies just lining up for the opportunity to fark themselves over should something go wrong.


British Petroleum proved they don't DGAF. Non-issue.
 
2022-09-04 12:50:39 AM  

Gubbo: Could be worse. You could be wherever SpaceX set up in Texas that now hates the deal they agreed to because rockets are not nice things to be around


Or you could be anywhere in Texas?  Why complicate it?
 
2022-09-04 12:53:33 AM  

Pocket Ninja: See, they should have thrown in a monorail with the spaceport. That's what was missing. That's why it failed.


You beat me to it. I was going to bring up the monorail. Well we have the rt. 4 Eye Sore.
 
2022-09-04 12:58:13 AM  
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Seems a little pricey to me.
 
2022-09-04 1:07:49 AM  
I'm sure lots of consultants that sound like Phil Hartman made off with millions of dollars.

Stupid Camden Georgia.  Too stupid and greedy not to get robbed and abused again and again.
 
2022-09-04 1:15:21 AM  

BigMax: "A commercial spaceport?  It put Ogdenville, Brockway and North Haverbrook on the map."


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2022-09-04 1:19:05 AM  

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Seems a little pricey to me.


Ah, a playground where a kid could actually hurt himself. Don't think I've seen one thise since the late 80s.
 
2022-09-04 1:21:18 AM  
I've camped out on Cumberland Island a few times - SO. FARKING. BEAUTIFUL......ARE THEY CRAZY!
 
2022-09-04 1:23:19 AM  
Times like these, I highly recommend some light reading on the Zambian Space Program.

Not to make fun of it, it's just a very wild ride of people having the times of their lives.
 
2022-09-04 1:47:58 AM  

labman: What could possibly go wrong with launching spacecraft over populated areas that also happen to be environmentally sensitive.

I see companies just lining up for the opportunity to fark themselves over should something go wrong.


It's not populated, which is kinda the point. Undeveloped land of any appreciable acerage on the East coast of the US is pretty damn scarce south of Maine. That's why this particular site isn't the worst idea in the world, but the reality is the vast majority of US launch capacity for the next decade is going to be Starship and it's going to launch from the Cape some but eventually to hit high launch cadence it's going to go offshore where the noise and interruption to flight corridors and shipping lanes can be minimized.
 
2022-09-04 1:50:57 AM  
$12 million dollars got burnt up real good, without a single rocket to show for it. Not to mention that not a single rocket in development would conform to the FAA's approved flight plan.
 
2022-09-04 1:51:29 AM  

Gubbo: Could be worse. You could be wherever SpaceX set up in Texas that now hates the deal they agreed to because rockets are not nice things to be around


Um, Brownsville and the county both love SpaceX as they've pumped massive amounts of money into what was previously a very impoverished part of the country. There might be a few folks who are vocal about not liking them for whatever reasons but overall everything I've read from local media is the thing they fear most is SpaceX leaving.
 
2022-09-04 2:11:11 AM  
"That, I don't think, can be good!"

https://youtu.be/8Wd_h7N2hOA
 
2022-09-04 2:25:16 AM  

thisispete: The closest town to Rocket Lab's Launch Complex 1 in NZ is Gisborne, population 37,000. But that was built by the company itself. Not an "if you build it, they will come" kind of thing.


I'm pretty sure Rockelab wasn't around in the 19th century to build  Gisborne There are some smaller townships closer to the launch site such as Wairoa, which also predated Rocketlab
 
2022-09-04 2:39:34 AM  
Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well. So maybe it's not that surprising that well educated people have a minimal desire to go there ever, let alone set up a difficulty complex business like rocket launcher

I somehow think even if they built it, the workers just wouldn't come. Because they can live somewhere much more reasonable and make more money on top of it
 
2022-09-04 2:42:05 AM  

chawco: Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well.


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2022-09-04 3:20:01 AM  

daffy: Pocket Ninja: See, they should have thrown in a monorail with the spaceport. That's what was missing. That's why it failed.

You beat me to it. I was going to bring up the monorail. Well we have the rt. 4 Eye Sore.


I4 Eyesore

Alliteration matters.
 
2022-09-04 3:27:52 AM  
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2022-09-04 3:59:12 AM  

chawco: Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well. So maybe it's not that surprising that well educated people have a minimal desire to go there ever, let alone set up a difficulty complex business like rocket launcher

I somehow think even if they built it, the workers just wouldn't come. Because they can live somewhere much more reasonable and make more money on top of it


Any spaceport is going to want the option to abort. . .
 
2022-09-04 6:02:43 AM  
It's like the "Private Prison" scam that have communities stuck with bond payments or bankruptcy.
 
2022-09-04 7:34:47 AM  

chawco: Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well. So maybe it's not that surprising that well educated people have a minimal desire to go there ever, let alone set up a difficulty complex business like rocket launcher

I somehow think even if they built it, the workers just wouldn't come. Because they can live somewhere much more reasonable and make more money on top of it


I don't know who George is, but Georgia is busy with making a lot of the shows, movies and cartoons you probably watch all the time. Nice shade throw with the "well educated people" line stuck in there.........
Every state has it's pluses and minuses.
 
2022-09-04 7:43:03 AM  

bucket_pup: chawco: Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well. So maybe it's not that surprising that well educated people have a minimal desire to go there ever, let alone set up a difficulty complex business like rocket launcher

I somehow think even if they built it, the workers just wouldn't come. Because they can live somewhere much more reasonable and make more money on top of it

I don't know who George is, but Georgia is busy with making a lot of the shows, movies and cartoons you probably watch all the time. Nice shade throw with the "well educated people" line stuck in there.........
Every state has it's pluses and minuses.


My state was never a traitor, homes.
 
2022-09-04 7:43:50 AM  

ProfessorTerguson: bucket_pup: chawco: Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well. So maybe it's not that surprising that well educated people have a minimal desire to go there ever, let alone set up a difficulty complex business like rocket launcher

I somehow think even if they built it, the workers just wouldn't come. Because they can live somewhere much more reasonable and make more money on top of it

I don't know who George is, but Georgia is busy with making a lot of the shows, movies and cartoons you probably watch all the time. Nice shade throw with the "well educated people" line stuck in there.........
Every state has it's pluses and minuses.

My state was never a traitor, homes.


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2022-09-04 7:45:44 AM  
Fark Georgians.
Nothing there but rape college kids to play football.
And Sherman should've came back.
 
2022-09-04 7:48:42 AM  
Has home depot and coca cola...ok.
23-3, braves w teddy in the tbs days,
Hawk's.

Love outkast and the sound.
 
2022-09-04 8:00:30 AM  
The AI always has spies sabotage my spaceports.

/ Civilization
 
2022-09-04 8:27:14 AM  
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2022-09-04 8:41:55 AM  

ProfessorTerguson: bucket_pup: chawco: Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well. So maybe it's not that surprising that well educated people have a minimal desire to go there ever, let alone set up a difficulty complex business like rocket launcher

I somehow think even if they built it, the workers just wouldn't come. Because they can live somewhere much more reasonable and make more money on top of it

I don't know who George is, but Georgia is busy with making a lot of the shows, movies and cartoons you probably watch all the time. Nice shade throw with the "well educated people" line stuck in there.........
Every state has it's pluses and minuses.

My state was never a traitor, homes.


Traitor? If you mean Trump I will happily tell you I was born in downtown Atlanta and lived all my early adult life in Clayton County. Yup, the same county that finally swung Georgia over to Biden! Never a prouder moment for me (politically) and I was a Republican.
 
2022-09-04 9:33:59 AM  
"Please allow us to consume 87% of your bandwidth posting 40 ads."
 
2022-09-04 9:51:24 AM  
"This is our Yosemite. If somebody said they were going to start launching rockets in the middle of Yosemite, heads would roll."

And this is the point.  As mentioned above, there's damned little undeveloped space on the Atlantic coast any more.  What there is valued into the billions, and a lot of it is environmentally priceless.

All I see here is an effort to transfer tax dollars to somebody's buddies.
 
2022-09-04 11:38:51 AM  
 
2022-09-04 11:41:08 AM  
Local gubmint responds to big corporate interests and techno fantasists who dangle pie in the sky windfalls in their face, while requesting seed money subsidies, tax breaks, and consulting fees. Gubmint & taxpayers get fleeced by expert con artists. A tale as old as capitalism. See also: Public employee pensions and mortgage-backed security investments.
 
2022-09-04 11:47:07 AM  

ProfessorTerguson: bucket_pup: chawco: Well, George is one of those states that only allows abortion until the 6th week, and has all kinds of other right-wing bullshiat going on as well. So maybe it's not that surprising that well educated people have a minimal desire to go there ever, let alone set up a difficulty complex business like rocket launcher

I somehow think even if they built it, the workers just wouldn't come. Because they can live somewhere much more reasonable and make more money on top of it

I don't know who George is, but Georgia is busy with making a lot of the shows, movies and cartoons you probably watch all the time. Nice shade throw with the "well educated people" line stuck in there.........
Every state has it's pluses and minuses.

My state was never a traitor, homes.


Film and TV producers choose Georgia for location work (bringing in talent & crews from elsewhere) solely because of the massive tax giveaways your state dumps on them. They're not there for anything more than cheap set carpentry, truck drivers, and a few authentic hillbilly extras.
 
2022-09-04 12:07:29 PM  

Unobtanium: There is the King's Bay Submarine base, but I don't know how active it is since the end of the Cold War.


Very active - it supports Trident operations for the US and UK ballistic missile submarines. Tridents are loaded, unloaded, refurbished, etc. and maintenance performed on submarines there. The Royal Navy operates their Tridents from a shared pool of missiles with the US Navy - missiles are selected at random to load on the various submarines.
 
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