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(USA Today)   Test scores show American fourth graders are rapidly turning into Americans   (usatoday.com) divider line
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2022-09-01 12:29:21 PM  
In other news, hours spent playing Minecraft have increased drastically over the last two years.
 
2022-09-01 1:10:07 PM  
I was having sex with my teacher by 4th grade

/also whipped it out in class
//stole the principle. caught Sayov's car, two
 
2022-09-01 1:10:59 PM  
Every child held back.
 
2022-09-01 1:13:29 PM  

lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.


Growing up everyone thought the girl in our middle school who could drive to class was so cool.  Until we were all in high school and realized it meant she had to repeat several grades.

/looking back probably family problems not judging
 
2022-09-01 1:16:10 PM  
Well, Republicans, when you hate on science and don't allow kids to read anything that's legitimately interesting, these things happen. Doesn't help that education generally is underfunded. Good luck competing in what we have left of the 21st century.
 
2022-09-01 1:16:38 PM  
I told that teaching lady the only five letters I need to know are U, S, and A!
 
2022-09-01 1:16:58 PM  
There's always private or Christian school.   They have the same curricula - capitalism and the parts of the Bible that they can twist to support capitalism.   Now with vouchers!
 
2022-09-01 1:17:20 PM  
Hold up... The new season of Ow! My Balls! is streaming...
 
2022-09-01 1:20:03 PM  

skinink: I told that teaching lady the only five letters I need to know are U, S, and A!


You think you can fool a woman who had the wisdom to marry a guy who spent four years picking up cigarette butts on the base at Camp LeJeune?
 
2022-09-01 1:20:39 PM  
Who could have guessed that scores would be down after 2 years of spotty online learning?
 
2022-09-01 1:22:37 PM  
Too tired to grind my handful of axes against this particular grindstone. Have at it, folks.
 
2022-09-01 1:22:55 PM  
I am an advocate of giving teachers a better salary. But some of the responsibility has to be on the math teachers and bad lesson planning. It's not like history or social studies that changes hourly. It math. Math doesn't change. I know our school district can't be an isolated case where math teachers are telling students not show their work and just use a calculator to get the final answer. Also the enormous amount of extra credit and made up points given to students, so no one ever has lower then a D and therefore passes, is a disservice.
 
2022-09-01 1:23:00 PM  
i can haz diploma
 
2022-09-01 1:23:40 PM  
Of course scores went down. A lot of kids were unsupervised for a year. I seriously considered holding SLEZE Jr back because test scores plummeted and I had to explain a LOT more of homework than I did in the past (things that were already known). The teacher successfully talked me out of it and SLEZE Jr. has completely bounced back (made honor roll).

We were lucky. Most aren't.

/CSB
 
2022-09-01 1:23:54 PM  

iheartscotch: Who could have guessed that scores would be down after 2 years of spotty online learning?


Bingo.
 
2022-09-01 1:24:12 PM  
Again, I refer y'all to the discussion panel of the NIH Study SARS-COV-2 Persistence In The Body And Brain.  Discussion starts at minute 34.

https://videocast.nih.gov/watch=45296

Long story short, SARS-CoV-2 infection was chronic in all donors, and virtually unregulated.  Most participants suffered severe disease, but 25% were mild cases.  There was no difference in terms of deep tissue permeation and the infection was largely unregulated by the immune system outside of the lungs.  The infiltration and damage observed in the brain is consistent with progressive cognitive decline if not remediated.

Is that's what is happening here?  I certainly think so.  Welcome to The End Of The Whole Mess.
 
2022-09-01 1:24:17 PM  
And some of those fourth graders are going to be millionaires because they post some dumb shiat on Youtube for people to watch.
 
2022-09-01 1:24:55 PM  

kmgenesis23: Well, Republicans, when you hate on science and don't allow kids to read anything that's legitimately interesting, these things happen. Doesn't help that education generally is underfunded. Good luck competing in what we have left of the 21st century.


i love how a single political party is to blame in your mind.  i think you have a blind spot.

https://www.sbsun.com/2022/01/07/struggling-california-students-fell-further-behind-during-pandemic-state-report-finds/
 
2022-09-01 1:25:16 PM  

lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.


Doubtful, if you had you would remember that most of those kids eventually were promoted anyway or simply dropped out.

Holding kids back sounds good, but doesn't do much good when you really study the outcomes.
 
2022-09-01 1:25:16 PM  

BlippityBleep: lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.

Growing up everyone thought the girl in our middle school who could drive to class was so cool.  Until we were all in high school and realized it meant she had to repeat several grades.

/looking back probably family problems not judging


Had a kid in my 3rd? grade class who was 3 years older.  Failed 1st, 2nd, and 3rd grades.  Absolutely didn't give a fark.  I think they shoved him into junior high and left him in 7th grade or something because I remember seeing him there and never again.  Most likely so he couldn't beat up/rape the little kids as easily.  Didn't remember him trying anything like that, but he *really* didn't give a fark.

Typically don't remember any kid breaking out of the standard advancement pattern after 2nd grade or so.  This probably involved lots of tutoring and specific tracking starting at 7th grade (not to mention informal tracking within single classes in elementary school).
 
2022-09-01 1:25:34 PM  

BlippityBleep: lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.

Growing up everyone thought the girl in our middle school who could drive to class was so cool.  Until we were all in high school and realized it meant she had to repeat several grades.

/looking back probably family problems not judging


We had a guy like that in middle school but everyone found him creepy
 
2022-09-01 1:25:51 PM  
strong teachers unions cause this!
 
2022-09-01 1:27:39 PM  

kmgenesis23: Well, Republicans, when you hate on science and don't allow kids to read anything that's legitimately interesting, these things happen. Doesn't help that education generally is underfunded. Good luck competing in what we have left of the 21st century.


Ca. 100% democrat's lowest quality of education in the nation despite spending the most money!
 
2022-09-01 1:29:52 PM  

kmgenesis23: Well, Republicans, when you hate on science and don't allow kids to read anything that's legitimately interesting, these things happen. Doesn't help that education generally is underfunded. Good luck competing in what we have left of the 21st century.


Ohh education will be the least of our worries going forward.  With a rapidly aging population the only skill we need to cultivate is changing bedpans and elder care.
 
2022-09-01 1:32:36 PM  

FormlessOne: Too tired to grind my handful of axes against this particular grindstone. Have at it, folks.


I thought it was "balls to the grindstone" but turns out the saying is "nose to the grindstone".  Still hurts but a lot less...see I learned me something today...
 
2022-09-01 1:33:23 PM  

lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.


Really? What country did you grow up in, and how many hundreds of years ago was this?
 
2022-09-01 1:34:15 PM  
Clearly what we need is school-sponsored prayer and corporal punishment in schools.

And tax cuts, of course.
 
2022-09-01 1:34:40 PM  

lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.


Did you also have to deal with a 100 year pandemic and classmates being murdered on the news and nearby all the time? Were you yanked out of class for almost 2 years and placed into a hastily made and poorly run classroom by yourself all day?

GTFO with that nonsense. These kids are going to grow up hardened.
 
2022-09-01 1:37:06 PM  

lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.


And when the people from that era took charge they decided to change the standards so kids aren't flunked.
 
2022-09-01 1:37:45 PM  

doomjesse: FormlessOne: Too tired to grind my handful of axes against this particular grindstone. Have at it, folks.

I thought it was "balls to the grindstone" but turns out the saying is "nose to the grindstone".  Still hurts but a lot less...see I learned me something today...


I mean "I don't have an ax to grind here," not today. One grinds axes against a grindstone (and whets an ax against a whetstone.) This story is practically a siren's song, begging Farkers to drag out their favorite socioeconomic issues related to education and push them hard against this story in an effort to shape & sharpen them.

Maybe I'm just to friggin' depressed. I'm gonna go bugger off.
 
2022-09-01 1:38:44 PM  

sleze: Of course scores went down. A lot of kids were unsupervised for a year. I seriously considered holding SLEZE Jr back because test scores plummeted and I had to explain a LOT more of homework than I did in the past (things that were already known). The teacher successfully talked me out of it and SLEZE Jr. has completely bounced back (made honor roll).

We were lucky. Most aren't.

/CSB


My kid who just entered 5th grade reported his test showed he was at a 4th grade level. The Zoom School farking SUCKED. For everyone but a small minority of kids.
 
2022-09-01 1:41:17 PM  

UberDave: In other news, hours spent playing Minecraft have increased drastically over the last two years.


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2022-09-01 1:41:26 PM  
"Out way of education was better", says generation responsible for this absolute shiat show.
 
2022-09-01 1:43:58 PM  
5 out of 4 Americans do not understand math.
 
2022-09-01 1:46:29 PM  
For the nerds: the article links to a NAEP website with a lot of graphs on time trends, breakdowns by high/low-performing students, statistics on remote learning experiences, etc. I wish MSM news articles like TFA would highlight more graphs like these instead of just burying them in a hyperlink citation.
 
2022-09-01 1:48:07 PM  
If you can't afford private school, you probably shouldn't expect your children to amount to very much.
 
2022-09-01 1:49:32 PM  

Solty Dog: I am an advocate of giving teachers a better salary. But some of the responsibility has to be on the math teachers and bad lesson planning. It's not like history or social studies that changes hourly. It math. Math doesn't change. I know our school district can't be an isolated case where math teachers are telling students not show their work and just use a calculator to get the final answer. Also the enormous amount of extra credit and made up points given to students, so no one ever has lower then a D and therefore passes, is a disservice.


Wow, that's a totally irrelevant rant.  As the article notes, "the results show the largest average score decline in reading since 1990, and the first-ever score decline in mathematics", coinciding with two years of remote learning during a pandemic.
 
2022-09-01 1:50:24 PM  

asciibaron: kmgenesis23: Well, Republicans, when you hate on science and don't allow kids to read anything that's legitimately interesting, these things happen. Doesn't help that education generally is underfunded. Good luck competing in what we have left of the 21st century.

i love how a single political party is to blame in your mind.  i think you have a blind spot.

https://www.sbsun.com/2022/01/07/struggling-california-students-fell-further-behind-during-pandemic-state-report-finds/


Product of a shiatty education.   Probably from California.
 
2022-09-01 1:51:12 PM  
I do some volunteer work teaching programming to kids. During the pandemic, we shifted to doing it by Zoom. It sucked, and it totally wrecked the curriculum I built and had used successfully for years. Instead of using my controlled machines, it was Bring Your Own Device, and all the kids used different systems. I spent half my time trying to help kids fix their audio or navigate their file system to find their lost files or other system-specific issues. It was awful. So it doesn't surprise me that kids struggle to learn and teachers struggle to teach remotely.
 
2022-09-01 1:51:38 PM  

Ambitwistor: Solty Dog: I am an advocate of giving teachers a better salary. But some of the responsibility has to be on the math teachers and bad lesson planning. [...]

Wow, that's a totally irrelevant rant.  As the article notes, "the results show the largest average score decline in reading since 1990, and the first-ever score decline in mathematics", coinciding with two years of remote learning during a pandemic.


Actually, this seems to go for many of the other comments in this thread, blaming the usual suspects instead of the pandemic.
 
2022-09-01 1:54:35 PM  
Can the line always go up?
 
2022-09-01 1:58:06 PM  
I know for a fact my stepson should not have graduated HS. D's are not passing grades. Yet he did.
 
2022-09-01 2:00:21 PM  
Reading scores fell?
That speaks more to poor parenting than poor schooling.
Read to your kids, have them read to you. Go to the library. Make reading a priority.
Arguably the most important skill (right next to problem solving) that you need to master and the resources to do so are virtually free.
Yet we still don't do it.
 
2022-09-01 2:03:43 PM  

Space Station Wagon: Reading scores fell?
That speaks more to poor parenting than poor schooling.
Read to your kids, have them read to you. Go to the library. Make reading a priority.
Arguably the most important skill (right next to problem solving) that you need to master and the resources to do so are virtually free.
Yet we still don't do it.


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2022-09-01 2:04:12 PM  

Ambitwistor: Solty Dog: I am an advocate of giving teachers a better salary. But some of the responsibility has to be on the math teachers and bad lesson planning. It's not like history or social studies that changes hourly. It math. Math doesn't change. I know our school district can't be an isolated case where math teachers are telling students not show their work and just use a calculator to get the final answer. Also the enormous amount of extra credit and made up points given to students, so no one ever has lower then a D and therefore passes, is a disservice.

Wow, that's a totally irrelevant rant.  As the article notes, "the results show the largest average score decline in reading since 1990, and the first-ever score decline in mathematics", coinciding with two years of remote learning during a pandemic.


Yes, this was the conclusion I immediately jumped to when I saw the headline. Parenting skills and teachers didn't dramatically fall apart in two years.
 
2022-09-01 2:07:27 PM  

kmgenesis23: Well, Republicans, when you hate on science and don't allow kids to read anything that's legitimately interesting, these things happen. Doesn't help that education generally is underfunded. Good luck competing in what we have left of the 21st century.


Why compete, when they can just sellout and offer up the US working class into slavery in Chinese run sweat shops in exchange for big bags of cash?  And who knows, maybe China would be ok with re-opening some of the plantations
 
2022-09-01 2:08:09 PM  
This is an entire generation of kids that spent the last two years going to "school" on Zoom meetings.   That they would receive an education of lower quality than an in-person classroom should come as absolutely no surprise to anyone.

Childhood education is all about capturing their attention.   Ain't gonna do that staring at a screen.
 
2022-09-01 2:09:20 PM  

BlippityBleep: lurkey: If you've tried to converse with anyone in the last 40 years, this is not news.
Some of us remember when kids that flunked had to do it over again until they got it.

Growing up everyone thought the girl in our middle school who could drive to class was so cool.  Until we were all in high school and realized it meant she had to repeat several grades.

/looking back probably family problems not judging


We had four boys who were driving to 8th grade. One day, the principal screamed their names over the intercom, calling them to the office. She kicked all of them out of her school because they were all 16/17. To be fair to her, they started a lot of fights, picked on the younger kids (which was all of us), and brought knives to school.
 
2022-09-01 2:10:21 PM  

Rent Party: This is an entire generation of kids that spent the last two years going to "school" on Zoom meetings.   That they would receive an education of lower quality than an in-person classroom should come as absolutely no surprise to anyone.

Childhood education is all about capturing their attention.   Ain't gonna do that staring at a screen.


Screens are all their parents want them to pay attention to. It keeps them home, off the streets.
 
2022-09-01 2:10:29 PM  
My son is 14 and already has a high school diploma.He bought it from a second hand store.The woman who it belonged to graduated in 1929.
 
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