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2022-08-26 11:30:01 AM  
The MAGAHats still think Republicans are going to bring their jobs back from Mexico and India and China. They've learned nothing except to blame unions for that.
 
2022-08-26 12:28:25 PM  
HELL YEA

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oh.

Well that's cool too I guess.
 
2022-08-26 3:08:14 PM  
I can at least understand the point about it being basically a temp job, but due care in working out the agreements can take care of that
 
2022-08-26 3:27:17 PM  
The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.
 
2022-08-26 3:58:21 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


What's wrong with the Teachers Union?
 
2022-08-26 3:58:27 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


Teachers unions should exist. Gtfo with that bullshiat.  Most of them are too weak in fact.  Red states treating education like shiat and taking away unions rights.
 
2022-08-26 3:58:33 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


Right.  Because if there's any group of people in America that's been getting coddled and overpaid for too long, it's teachers.
 
2022-08-26 3:58:35 PM  
And the GOP goes all in on onions, cuz they stink!!!
 
2022-08-26 3:58:51 PM  

dericwater: Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.

What's wrong with the Teachers Union?


One of them is bad (NYC), therefore they all are
 
2022-08-26 3:59:31 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


AFSME employee here... I have a strong union.  This is good, since I can only sue my employer (the government) of they say I can.
 
2022-08-26 3:59:31 PM  
The Democratic Party is about to find out whether broadly unionizing campaign workers is a smart way to draw top talent, breed happy staffs and embody the party's ideals - or a distraction that will divert donor dollars and weaken candidates and their top strategists.

I like how the article provides no examples of how it will weaken candidates, other than Republicans shiatting all over the idea.  It's nice to see both journalishts and Republicans stay true to their brand.
 
2022-08-26 4:00:19 PM  
When all is said and done and America actually IS great again, the redhats will claim that TFG was a deep cover sextuple agent playing 73-dimensional hopscotch.
 
2022-08-26 4:01:32 PM  
Damn, I was hoping this was about the Democratic Party actually helping unionization efforts. Because it'd sure be nice if they helped push back against entities like Amazon and Starbucks.
 
2022-08-26 4:01:45 PM  

dericwater: Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.

What's wrong with the Teachers Union?


They're the worst.  Unions need money for school supplies but all anyone's willing to give them is body armor and assault rifles.
 
2022-08-26 4:02:20 PM  

austerity101: Damn, I was hoping this was about the Democratic Party actually helping unionization efforts. Because it'd sure be nice if they helped push back against entities like Amazon and Starbucks.


I was right there with you.
 
2022-08-26 4:02:54 PM  
dericwater:
What's wrong with the Teachers Union?

They have a tendency to expect corporations and the wealthy to pay taxes.
 
2022-08-26 4:03:11 PM  

austerity101: Damn, I was hoping this was about the Democratic Party actually helping unionization efforts. Because it'd sure be nice if they helped push back against entities like Amazon and Starbucks.


QFT.

"The Democratic Party - and the progressive forces within it - have so much going for them. The GOP's economic vision has never been less popular with ordinary Americans, or more irrelevant to their material needs. The U.S. electorate is becoming less white, less racist, and less conservative with each passing year. Social conservatism has never had less appeal for American voters than it does today. The garish spectacle of the Trump-era Republican Party is turning the American suburbs - once a core part of the GOP coalition - purple and blue.

If the Democratic Party wasn't bleeding support from white working-class voters in its old labor strongholds, it would dominate our national politics. Understandably, Democratic partisans often blame their powerlessness on such voters - and the regressive racial views that led them out of Team Blue's tent. But as unions have declined across the Midwest, Democrats haven't just been losing white, working-class voters to revanchist Republicans - they've also been losing them to quiet evenings at home. The NBER study cited by McElwee found that right-to-work laws reduce voter turnout in presidential elections by 2 to 3 percent.

Further, the notion that grassroots organizing cannot make a non-woke white man prioritize his class interests over his racial resentments - and thus, that the Democratic Party's refusal to bolster union organizing was irrelevant to its failure to fend off Trump - is unsupportable. In 2008, labor invested a quarter-billion dollars into Barack Obama's election, allocating the bulk of those funds into burnishing the candidate's support among union voters in the Midwest. That year, unionized white men backed Obama by an 18 percent margin; while nonunionized ones went for John McCain by 16."

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/01/democrats-paid-a-huge-price-for-letting-unions-die.html
 
2022-08-26 4:04:34 PM  
Good.

Is somebody being an asshole about this?
 
2022-08-26 4:04:50 PM  

snapperhead: dericwater:
What's wrong with the Teachers Union?

They have a tendency to expect corporations and the wealthy to pay taxes.


And this behavior is tolerated?
 
2022-08-26 4:05:11 PM  
This is about Democrat campaign staff being allowed to unionize. When it comes to others trying to form unions to protect themselves from the oligarchs, actions speak louder than words.
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2022-08-26 4:05:26 PM  

austerity101: Damn, I was hoping this was about the Democratic Party actually helping unionization efforts. Because it'd sure be nice if they helped push back against entities like Amazon and Starbucks.


That was my hope as well, since it would go a long way with blue collar regions if they see a party actually advocating unionization.
 
2022-08-26 4:05:34 PM  
everyone deserves a union except cops, because cops aren't workers
 
2022-08-26 4:07:03 PM  
Yes, but: Some Democrats have concerns about unionizing campaigns, which are temporary by nature, explained Democratic strategist Chris Coffey: "It's a short stint. You are signing up for something greater than yourself[,] second to a cause. With an end date."

I feel like that's a good reason to unionize. Being a temp worker doesn't mean you shouldn't have protections.
 
2022-08-26 4:08:03 PM  

red230: This is about Democrat campaign staff being allowed to unionize. When it comes to others trying to form unions to protect themselves from the oligarchs, actions speak louder than words.
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From the Farking Article:

Don't forget: In 2019, Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign balked at unionized organizers' pay demands.
 
2022-08-26 4:08:05 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


Teachers? Are you f*cking kidding me? Teachers get kicked around ever with a union. Imagine if they didn't have that?
 
2022-08-26 4:08:27 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


Don't make bifurcated comments - it's off-topic, it's derailing, and it's rude.
Manners aren't just for strangers, you know, fellow Farker.
 
2022-08-26 4:11:07 PM  

ElwoodCuse: everyone deserves a union except cops, because cops aren't workers


The role of the union for police should be dealing with equitable pay, hours worked, equipment standards, and the like. The union should have no say on performance, actions or mis-actions of a police officer.
 
2022-08-26 4:12:32 PM  
Good.

Especially since campaigning has no time for grieving contracts and interperonsal disputes, the unions should improve the workplace. Employers, especially the rich who run for government, and their outside contractors, only understand direct costs as direct threats. God knows, the DNC hires the same people regardless of election results, or even morale! Now they have a better, internal reason to function properly.
 
2022-08-26 4:15:28 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


You might explain this.
 
2022-08-26 4:15:41 PM  

dericwater: ElwoodCuse: everyone deserves a union except cops, because cops aren't workers

The role of the union for police should be dealing with equitable pay, hours worked, equipment standards, and the like. The union should have no say on performance, actions or mis-actions of a police officer.


Well, I think that the union should have a say because there is a long, sotried history of constructive dismissals and harassment of women officers. There is also a huge difference between the promotion of women officers who do their jobs, verus men who turn a blind eye to colleagues getting blowjobs in their cars. Unions, being on the inside, have an advantage to knowing what is cronyism and what is performance.
 
2022-08-26 4:17:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yes, but: Some Democrats have concerns about unionizing campaigns, which are temporary by nature, explained Democratic strategist Chris Coffey: "It's a short stint. You are signing up for something greater than yourself[,] second to a cause. With an end date."

I feel like that's a good reason to unionize. Being a temp worker doesn't mean you shouldn't have protections.


This.

I mean, movie productions are also temporary by nature, and that hasn't stopped SAG from existing and being effective.
 
2022-08-26 4:19:53 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


If high school teachers get even a quarter of the complaints that university TAs do, they need unions, bodycams, a chaperone with a 1-foot ruler, a union lawyer present at every meeting on Meet the Teacher Night, Teamsters doing lucnhroom duty, and a union steward double-checking all their grading with submitted photocopies to the Labour Relations Board or whomever that is.
 
2022-08-26 4:20:30 PM  
They did this by having the laborers of the country pay off their bosses' student loans?

/  work with union guys, they seem a tad pissed.
 
2022-08-26 4:20:37 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: dericwater: ElwoodCuse: everyone deserves a union except cops, because cops aren't workers

The role of the union for police should be dealing with equitable pay, hours worked, equipment standards, and the like. The union should have no say on performance, actions or mis-actions of a police officer.

Well, I think that the union should have a say because there is a long, sotried history of constructive dismissals and harassment of women officers. There is also a huge difference between the promotion of women officers who do their jobs, verus men who turn a blind eye to colleagues getting blowjobs in their cars. Unions, being on the inside, have an advantage to knowing what is cronyism and what is performance.


While I don't disagree with you in principle, the reality of how police unions operate in this country is that they have embraced cronyism and protect the "warrior culture" that has led to the horrible state of policing in this country.

Perhaps police do need a union, but the one that exists has turned our cops into nothing more than street gangs with a veneer of legitimacy.
 
2022-08-26 4:21:10 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: austerity101: Damn, I was hoping this was about the Democratic Party actually helping unionization efforts. Because it'd sure be nice if they helped push back against entities like Amazon and Starbucks.

QFT.

"The Democratic Party - and the progressive forces within it - have so much going for them. The GOP's economic vision has never been less popular with ordinary Americans, or more irrelevant to their material needs. The U.S. electorate is becoming less white, less racist, and less conservative with each passing year. Social conservatism has never had less appeal for American voters than it does today. The garish spectacle of the Trump-era Republican Party is turning the American suburbs - once a core part of the GOP coalition - purple and blue.

If the Democratic Party wasn't bleeding support from white working-class voters in its old labor strongholds, it would dominate our national politics. Understandably, Democratic partisans often blame their powerlessness on such voters - and the regressive racial views that led them out of Team Blue's tent. But as unions have declined across the Midwest, Democrats haven't just been losing white, working-class voters to revanchist Republicans - they've also been losing them to quiet evenings at home. The NBER study cited by McElwee found that right-to-work laws reduce voter turnout in presidential elections by 2 to 3 percent.

Further, the notion that grassroots organizing cannot make a non-woke white man prioritize his class interests over his racial resentments - and thus, that the Democratic Party's refusal to bolster union organizing was irrelevant to its failure to fend off Trump - is unsupportable. In 2008, labor invested a quarter-billion dollars into Barack Obama's election, allocating the bulk of those funds into burnishing the candidate's support among union voters in the Midwest. That year, unionized white men backed Obama by an 18 percent margin; while nonunionized ones went for John McCain by 16."

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Democrat Party elites ensuring they get paid and guaranteed healthcare instead of the population they claim to represent. Amazing.
 
2022-08-26 4:21:49 PM  

I sound fat: They did this by having the laborers of the country pay off their bosses' student loans?

/  work with union guys, they seem a tad pissed.


Cool story, Bro.
 
2022-08-26 4:22:08 PM  

Subtonic: The only strong unions that exist today are the ones that shouldn't. Police and Teachers.


If teachers' unions were half as strong as some people think they are, teachers wouldn't have to buy school supplies out of their own pocket, and wouldn't constantly live in fear of being fired and possibly prosecuted because some parent didn't like that they taught their little Johnny that racism exists.
 
2022-08-26 4:22:09 PM  

red230: This is about Democrat campaign staff being allowed to unionize. When it comes to others trying to form unions to protect themselves from the oligarchs, actions speak louder than words.
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"This criticism of the Democrats is exactly the same as telling people not to vote!"

- Fark Centrists
 
2022-08-26 4:22:47 PM  

HeartBurnKid: HotWingConspiracy: Yes, but: Some Democrats have concerns about unionizing campaigns, which are temporary by nature, explained Democratic strategist Chris Coffey: "It's a short stint. You are signing up for something greater than yourself[,] second to a cause. With an end date."

I feel like that's a good reason to unionize. Being a temp worker doesn't mean you shouldn't have protections.

This.

I mean, movie productions are also temporary by nature, and that hasn't stopped SAG from existing and being effective.


IATSE stagehands might only work for one night on a show. But they are the difference between a ringer who never climbed a ladder working minimum wage, and a leko falling on an audience member while Blackpink does the electric slide.
 
2022-08-26 4:23:31 PM  

I sound fat: They did this by having the laborers of the country pay off their bosses' student loans?

/  work with union guys, they seem a tad pissed.


By all means have them write letters to their representatives.
 
2022-08-26 4:24:12 PM  

I sound fat: They did this by having the laborers of the country pay off their bosses' student loans?

/  work with union guys, they seem a tad pissed.


farkin' engineers designing bridges for them to build.
 
2022-08-26 4:24:45 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Bennie Crabtree: dericwater: ElwoodCuse: everyone deserves a union except cops, because cops aren't workers

The role of the union for police should be dealing with equitable pay, hours worked, equipment standards, and the like. The union should have no say on performance, actions or mis-actions of a police officer.

Well, I think that the union should have a say because there is a long, sotried history of constructive dismissals and harassment of women officers. There is also a huge difference between the promotion of women officers who do their jobs, verus men who turn a blind eye to colleagues getting blowjobs in their cars. Unions, being on the inside, have an advantage to knowing what is cronyism and what is performance.

While I don't disagree with you in principle, the reality of how police unions operate in this country is that they have embraced cronyism and protect the "warrior culture" that has led to the horrible state of policing in this country.

Perhaps police do need a union, but the one that exists has turned our cops into nothing more than street gangs with a veneer of legitimacy.


I accept your dilemma and the paradox is under consideration.

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2022-08-26 4:25:16 PM  
Since Democrats control the majorities in both chambers of Congress and have the presidency, they can pass a $15 minimum wage and Single Payer healthcare that would help everyone, and not just their donation gatherers.
 
2022-08-26 4:26:09 PM  
Right wingers love to scream about illegal immigration but refuse to acknowledge the fact that immigration law and labor law go hand in hand. If there are strong unions, then there is less opportunity for undocumented migrant labor in the manual trades. There are very sound reasons to protect the manual trades from an unrestricted flow of exploitable cheap migrant labor.

The conservatives attack on unions has been so successful that democrats became complicit in the weakening of unions over the years. I've been saying it for more than a decade, if Democrats are to have any hope of attracting any statistically significant number of working class Americans, they should focus on strengthening labor and making the connection between robust labor laws and immigration.

This may strike many progressives as offensive, but it shouldn't. We need to protect the manual trades through robust labor law in the same way that the white collar professions protect themselves through licensing and certifications.
 
2022-08-26 4:26:47 PM  

I sound fat: They did this by having the laborers of the country pay off their bosses' student loans?

/  work with union guys, they seem a tad pissed.


Maybe you cna remind them that MBAs aren't the only ones getting a new deal.

Are your union guys seriously all high school grads and nothing above?
 
2022-08-26 4:28:50 PM  

T-Boy: This may strike many progressives as offensive, but it shouldn't.


It only offends Democrats. Democrats aren't progressives.
 
2022-08-26 4:33:06 PM  
I would prefer that unions that close to politicians be unattached to established unions who actively lobby like Teamsters.
 
2022-08-26 4:33:21 PM  

T-Boy: Right wingers love to scream about illegal immigration but refuse to acknowledge the fact that immigration law and labor law go hand in hand. If there are strong unions, then there is less opportunity for undocumented migrant labor in the manual trades. There are very sound reasons to protect the manual trades from an unrestricted flow of exploitable cheap migrant labor.

The conservatives attack on unions has been so successful that democrats became complicit in the weakening of unions over the years. I've been saying it for more than a decade, if Democrats are to have any hope of attracting any statistically significant number of working class Americans, they should focus on strengthening labor and making the connection between robust labor laws and immigration.

This may strike many progressives as offensive, but it shouldn't. We need to protect the manual trades through robust labor law in the same way that the white collar professions protect themselves through licensing and certifications.


Everything you're saying with regards to unions and immigration hinges on immigrants necessarily being paid less. With stronger unions, doing so would not be an option--especially if we had an agency spending significant energy going after entities that hire undocumented immigrants, which we should absolutely have.
 
2022-08-26 4:34:14 PM  
Put another way, there's no reason to separate immigrants from other Americans in a system with robust union protections. They're all the same people.
 
2022-08-26 4:36:56 PM  
Practicing what you preach is important. If being pro-union is a major plank of your platform, then it only makes sense to support your own rank and file members having a union.
 
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