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(OnlySky)   Atheist finds a loophole in Texas' "In G-d we Trust" school sign law, praise Allah   (onlysky.media) divider line
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6634 clicks; posted to Politics » on 22 Aug 2022 at 11:46 PM (22 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-22 6:47:18 PM  
What's his Fark handle?
 
2022-08-22 6:50:15 PM  
He should add second signs that say "All Others Pay Cash.
 
2022-08-22 7:05:00 PM  
Gungan Translation: In gud wesa trust
 
2022-08-22 7:05:00 PM  
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2022-08-22 7:17:08 PM  
Maybe display it like this?  ⬜
 
2022-08-22 7:49:47 PM  
Apparently Twitter does not appreciate when I suggest to theocrats that they choke on fiery turds.

Learning and growing :D
 
2022-08-22 8:09:43 PM  
So weird.
 
2022-08-22 8:25:42 PM  
Look closely at the right wing poster that is approved.   Per the state law the desk in the background is an image not specified.  That poster is illegal and must be removed.
 
2022-08-22 8:26:13 PM  
The law says that the signs have to be displayed.
It doesn't say they have to be displayed in PUBLIC though, does it?

On display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD should suffice.
 
2022-08-22 8:43:16 PM  
... How is this not government-compelled speech? Lawyers correct me if I am wrong but the law feels like a violation of the First Amendment.
 
2022-08-22 8:57:49 PM  
Can I send a sign that says "In Gob we trust" with this picture and claim it was a typo?

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2022-08-22 8:59:15 PM  
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2022-08-22 9:23:01 PM  

bloobeary: The law says that the signs have to be displayed.
It doesn't say they have to be displayed in PUBLIC though, does it?

On display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD should suffice.


I thought shrinking the official poster down to the size of a postage stamp, and hanging it at the top of a climbing rope in the gym would be appropriate.
 
2022-08-22 10:03:03 PM  
Forced religion you have to stare at all day if you're a student. So much for separation of church and state.
 
2022-08-22 10:04:07 PM  
I understand the value of protests like this.  And I wish fervently that these penny-ante shenanigans weren't the only thing we, as a country, were doing to keep our nation from turning into a christofascist autocracy.
 
2022-08-22 10:20:50 PM  

bloobeary: The law says that the signs have to be displayed.
It doesn't say they have to be displayed in PUBLIC though, does it?

On display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD should suffice.


That would put a dent in their plans.
 
2022-08-22 10:50:14 PM  

Devolving_Spud: What's his Fark handle?


نقل البطاطا
 
2022-08-22 11:13:18 PM  
Students so moved should be allowed to shout "God Is The Greatest!" at the top of their lungs
 
2022-08-22 11:49:50 PM  
If jc accepted responsibility for our sins shouldn't he be in hell?

/dnrtfa
 
2022-08-22 11:50:29 PM  

Devolving_Spud: What's his Fark handle?


Way too clever to be a farker.
 
2022-08-22 11:52:27 PM  
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2022-08-22 11:53:27 PM  
Hell, they don't specify the font or the orientation of the text either. You could have it look like a middle finger.

Q&D

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2022-08-22 11:54:21 PM  
I suggested that a similar poster could be designed with the word "God" in lighter print, almost invisible to the naked eye.

Why not "completely invisible"? Oh, make it white, to match the wording, but I'm talking thwbsame blue as the background with exactly 1part white. If rhey have a problem, open up the Photoshop or Illustrator file, and show them right there. The lettering on "God" is just, well, fainter. But it's still there.
 
2022-08-22 11:59:09 PM  
In 20 years, when we look back at all of this crap, I hope we can laugh.
 
2022-08-22 11:59:22 PM  
Stevens is accepting donations for this particular plan here-he's selling an NFT as well, *VINYL RECORD SCRATCH*

*awkward silence*
 
2022-08-22 11:59:28 PM  
t's the "Air Bud" rule applied to church/state separation

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2022-08-23 12:09:15 AM  

Notabunny: Students so moved should be allowed to shout "God Is The Greatest!" at the top of their lungs


"There is no God but God!"


(And by the way, Muhammed is His Prophet.)
 
2022-08-23 12:13:00 AM  
Waste of time and money. Just stirring shiate for shiates purposes.

You will not win over enough GOP voters to keep the house and senate, never mind take the Texas governorship by flipping the finger to Christians.

It's a numbers thing. Democrats really needs to stop imitating the GQP stupidity playbook.
 
2022-08-23 12:13:04 AM  

Fern Crest: In 20 years, when we look back at all of this crap, I hope we can laugh.


Presumably I'll be eating one of the free-range republicans I had to hunt in the fertile sunny plains of alaska, so yeah, I'll laugh.
 
2022-08-23 12:16:04 AM  

Fern Crest: In 20 years, when we look back at all of this crap, I hope we can laugh.


If by 'look back' you mean 'are forbidden from any critical discussion of the topic by our Christo-fascist dictators' and we substitute 'laugh' with 'cry,' you're probably right.
 
2022-08-23 12:17:34 AM  

bloobeary: The law says that the signs have to be displayed.
It doesn't say they have to be displayed in PUBLIC though, does it?

On display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD should suffice.


On the backsplash of the boys' room urinals would work, too.
 
2022-08-23 12:18:05 AM  
Yeah, that's not how language works. If the law says "In God We Trust" then it means those words in quotation marks, not words which translate to the same thing. Allah is not the same word as God, it just means the same thing.
 
2022-08-23 12:18:29 AM  
"Most importantly, the signs could "not depict any words, images, or other information" beyond what was already specified."

This criteria does not appear in the text of the law.
 
2022-08-23 12:19:06 AM  

OdradekRex: He should add second signs that say "All Others Pay Cash.


In Gold We Trust
 
2022-08-23 12:19:51 AM  
It's such a load of crap that this is our national motto, it's clearly unconstitutional.
 
2022-08-23 12:20:00 AM  

Cinedelic: Fern Crest: In 20 years, when we look back at all of this crap, I hope we can laugh.

If by 'look back' you mean 'are forbidden from any critical discussion of the topic by our Christo-fascist dictators' and we substitute 'laugh' with 'cry,' you're probably right.


Hell... Look back 50. Whatcha got from 1972 you want to laugh at now?
 
2022-08-23 12:22:19 AM  
My reading of the law is you could put the text in size 8 font above a giant depiction of the US flag, with a tiny and crudely drawn depiction of the Texas state flag at the bottom and they'd be required to display it.

I'm sure they'd find this wasn't allowed because reasons.
 
2022-08-23 12:23:13 AM  

brokenbiscuits: ... How is this not government-compelled speech? Lawyers correct me if I am wrong but the law feels like a violation of the First Amendment.


From what the article says, the signs are not solicited by the schools. The signs are donated to the schools by the citizens, and therefore the law interprets those signs as free speech from the citizenry, not the schools. The schools also have no choice but to display any signs donated to them that meet the requirements, meaning that the schools themselves are compelled by law to display a sign acquired by a non-government party, and therefore is not considered to be government-compelled speech.

It's stupid as fark, but the Texas state government says it's fine, and if it was ever challenged in the Supreme Court there'd be a 6-3 decision upholding that it's fine.
 
2022-08-23 12:28:13 AM  
I've always been tolerant of other people's religious faiths no matter how silly, but Christians are starting to piss me off.  I keep trying to remind myself they're not all like that, but why aren't any of them denouncing this?

Maybe they really are all like that.  Goddammit!
 
2022-08-23 12:29:31 AM  
Where are all the conservatives coming out against this obvious example of compelled speech?

I should probably hold my breath since they'll be along any moment
 
2022-08-23 12:32:36 AM  
"blah blah compelled speech, blah blah blah Establishment Clause blah blah suck my noodley appendage."

- FSM, probably
 
2022-08-23 12:33:41 AM  
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2022-08-23 12:34:19 AM  
Jesus Christ man, there are children in that school.  How could you:
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2022-08-23 12:34:56 AM  

bloobeary: The law says that the signs have to be displayed.
It doesn't say they have to be displayed in PUBLIC though, does it?

On display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD should suffice.


Does the law say they have to display every sign sent to them or something?

/only skimmed the article but this seems pointless
 
2022-08-23 12:36:24 AM  
Further thought: It doesn't say which side of the sign has to be displayed. Hang it up backwards and you're good. Make use of all that blank space on the back to write down the text of the 1st Amendment.
 
2022-08-23 12:36:49 AM  

jst3p: bloobeary: The law says that the signs have to be displayed.
It doesn't say they have to be displayed in PUBLIC though, does it?

On display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD should suffice.

Does the law say they have to display every sign sent to them or something?

/only skimmed the article but this seems pointless



Ahh, I see that it does. And in a conspicuous place.

Sec. 1.004.  DISPLAY OF NATIONAL MOTTO.  (a) A public
elementary or secondary school or an institution of higher
education as defined by Section 61.003 must [may] display in a
conspicuous place in each building of the school or institution a
durable poster or framed copy of
the United States national motto,
"In God We Trust," if the poster or framed copy meets the
requirements of Subsection (b) and is:

             (1)donated for display at the school or institution;
or
 
2022-08-23 12:38:59 AM  

My Sober Alt: I've always been tolerant of other people's religious faiths no matter how silly, but Christians are starting to piss me off.  I keep trying to remind myself they're not all like that, but why aren't any of them denouncing this?


People say the same thing about Muslims.

The truth is they are denouncing it, but you're not hearing it. How would you hear about it? It's not like local or national papers are going to care to report it. So unless you're going out of your way to read statements from churches, you're probably not going to see anything.

Another side of this is that Christians are a disparate group of unrelated groups. Methodists, for instance, shouldn't answer for what Catholics do, because they literally broke away from the Catholic Church (via the Protestant Revolution) so they wouldn't be associated with them. People seem to have this idea that all Christians are part of one giant global Christian church, but that church simply doesn't exist. So a lot of these churches are seeing this, don't approve, but feel no real reason to issue public statements. Certainly not local parishes.

When an asshole in Florida does something awful, I don't feel like I have to look at Canada and Mexico and go, "I'm not with him!" just because I live in the same country as him.
 
2022-08-23 12:43:28 AM  

jst3p: jst3p: bloobeary: The law says that the signs have to be displayed.
It doesn't say they have to be displayed in PUBLIC though, does it?

On display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying BEWARE OF THE LEOPARD should suffice.

Does the law say they have to display every sign sent to them or something?

/only skimmed the article but this seems pointless


Ahh, I see that it does. And in a conspicuous place.

Sec. 1.004.  DISPLAY OF NATIONAL MOTTO.  (a) A public
elementary or secondary school or an institution of higher
education as defined by Section 61.003 must [may] display in a
conspicuous place in each building of the school or institution a
durable poster or framed copy of the United States national motto,
"In God We Trust," if the poster or framed copy meets the
requirements of Subsection (b) and is:
            (1)donated for display at the school or institution;
or


Does it say for how long?  Can you put it up on the bulletin board at 12:00 AM and take it down again a minute later?
 
2022-08-23 12:44:47 AM  

NobleHam: Yeah, that's not how language works. If the law says "In God We Trust" then it means those words in quotation marks, not words which translate to the same thing. Allah is not the same word as God, it just means the same thing.


You could probably make that argument if the US had an official language. As it explicitly doesn't, interpreting the law to require a specific language for use wouldn't be consistent.
 
2022-08-23 12:49:06 AM  
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