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(WCVB Boston)   Mistake--er, Mystic Valley charter school decides hijab is a "uniform violation," sparking public outrage that might lead to a new state law... like they did five years ago when they punished Black girls for wearing braid extensions   (wcvb.com) divider line
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koder [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-21 9:00:49 PM  
Oh no if only we had federal legislation that regulated all the schools to prevent this from happening but oh no you wanted your farking stupid-ass charter schools like farkwits.
 
I_Am_Weasel
2022-08-21 9:07:30 PM  
Do they have a history of students wearing hijabs for the hell of it?

Are they wearing them because "they look dope"?  (I'm old, fark off!)
 
Benevolent Misanthrope [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-21 9:10:01 PM  
"While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?
 
Bootleg [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-21 9:13:44 PM  
The school said in an emailed statement that it allows students to wear religious attire "as an expression of their sincerely held beliefs," but asks students to provide a letter "expressing this desire from a member of their clergy."

Cool, so every Jewish student wearing a kippah has provided a note from their Rabbi, and every Christian has a note for the cross they're wearing? I mean, you wouldn't want to be accused of selectively enforcing that rule, right?
 
foo monkey
2022-08-21 9:56:22 PM  
Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?
 
NathanAllen
2022-08-21 9:57:50 PM  
Freedom of (not your) religion.
 
Resident Muslim [OhFark]
2022-08-21 10:05:23 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?


"should bear no responsibility".
God forbid there are consequences.

/and yeah, France does this (Hijab ban), then blames the girls/families for putting their beliefs first and calls them anti-education.
 
mcsiegs
2022-08-21 10:05:24 PM  
The terrorists were inside the country the whole time.  9/11 just further exposed who we really are.

2A is always worshipped.  1A is always sh*t on.
 
DarkSoulNoHope
2022-08-21 10:06:51 PM  

foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?


Muslim convert here. Many born Muslims naively think that religious Christians are alright with their kids practicing Islam because they both have children attending to a religious (Christian) school.
 
TuckFrump
2022-08-21 10:12:04 PM  

foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?


And carries around an AR-15
 
AlphaG33k
2022-08-21 10:13:02 PM  
Look, lets spare a lot of trouble, lets just go directly to this:

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This is where the US is going, right?...lets save a lot of heartache, and get right there.

or maybe something like this?

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or maybe this?

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MythDragon [TotalFark]
2022-08-21 10:13:07 PM  

foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?


i.redd.itView Full Size

"Sorry little one, it's time for you to go extinct."
 
Nonrepeating Rotating Binary
2022-08-21 10:13:44 PM  
School Administrators always seem to be mini-tyrants, believing that they have absolute control over their students, both in and outside the school.
 
WastrelWay
2022-08-21 10:16:25 PM  
'Mystic Valley charter school decides hijab is a "uniform violation,"  ...'

Uh, no they didn't. Somebody goofed. It's fixed. Any valid religious wear is allowed. That presumably includes your FSM colander.
 
buravirgil
2022-08-21 10:18:44 PM  

AlphaG33k: Look, lets spare a lot of trouble, lets just go directly to this:

[s1.r29static.com image 418x503]

This is where the US is going, right?...lets save a lot of heartache, and get right there.

or maybe something like this?

[i.insider.com image 569x426]

or maybe this?

[dramaticpublishing.com image 542x361]

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chitownmike
2022-08-21 10:18:45 PM  
OMG, PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAVE DRESS CODES!!!!
 
BorisSimon
2022-08-21 10:27:33 PM  
FTA: the headscarf worn by Muslim women was misspelled as "jihab."
Hijab, jihab, jihad it's all the same. Bad for America
 
mrmopar5287 [TotalFark]
2022-08-21 10:31:16 PM  

BorisSimon: FTA: the headscarf worn by Muslim women was misspelled as "jihab."
Hijab, jihab, jihad it's all the same. Bad for America


Could be worse.

https://nypost.com/2016/07/01/trump-wants-tsa-to-ban-muslim-workers-from-wearing-hibby-jobbies/
 
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
2022-08-21 10:32:16 PM  
Braid extensions?
 
Bootleg [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-21 10:36:30 PM  

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: Braid extensions?


Regional slang, we call them extension cords over here.
 
dbirchall [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-21 10:39:56 PM  

WastrelWay: 'Mystic Valley charter school decides hijab is a "uniform violation,"  ...'

Uh, no they didn't. Somebody goofed. It's fixed. Any valid religious wear is allowed. That presumably includes your FSM colander.


DNRTFA, eh?   The school said in an emailed statement that it allows students to wear religious attire "as an expression of their sincerely held beliefs," but asks students to provide a letter "expressing this desire from a member of their clergy."  School Superintendent Alex Dan said there were no consequences given to the student and that the form sent home was meant to start the conversation with the family about obtaining a religious accommodation. But Dan acknowledged that the situation was mishandled.

Massachusetts charter schools are public schools -- organs of the government.  Asking students to provide a letter from clergy so their family can "obtain a religious accommodation" -- making students and their families jump through hoops because of their beliefs --  just begs for 1A lawsuits.
 
Bonzo_1116
2022-08-21 10:40:43 PM  

chitownmike: OMG, PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAVE DRESS CODES!!!!


OmG they take public money and are just government contractors like General Atomics.
 
Bonzo_1116
2022-08-21 10:43:14 PM  

Bonzo_1116: chitownmike: OMG, PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAVE DRESS CODES!!!!

OmG they take public money and are just government contractors like General Atomics.


Actually, I hadn't thought of it like that until just now.

This is like outsourcing the contract for transporting the USMC to the Noah's Ark Experience.
 
replacementcool
2022-08-21 10:43:58 PM  

chitownmike: OMG, PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAVE DRESS CODES!!!!


that only seem to apply to non-white kids


That's the issue. Maybe you should learn to read.
 
Bith Set Me Up
2022-08-21 10:44:37 PM  
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Do you know the way to Mordor
2022-08-21 10:47:54 PM  

BorisSimon: FTA: the headscarf worn by Muslim women was misspelled as "jihab."
Hijab, jihab, jihad it's all the same. Bad for America


If the bigoted school administrators misspelled "hijab" in their stupid announcement they can suck it now, because the victimised Muslim student could rightfully say that the school wanted to ban jihabs, and never actually said anything about banning hijabs.
 
dkulprit [TotalFark]
2022-08-21 10:48:11 PM  

Bootleg: The school said in an emailed statement that it allows students to wear religious attire "as an expression of their sincerely held beliefs," but asks students to provide a letter "expressing this desire from a member of their clergy."

Cool, so every Jewish student wearing a kippah has provided a note from their Rabbi, and every Christian has a note for the cross they're wearing? I mean, you wouldn't want to be accused of selectively enforcing that rule, right?


Came for this.  Maybe the kippah....  but most definitely not a single Christian iconography piece would be questioned.
 
dbirchall [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-21 10:50:30 PM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: BorisSimon: FTA: the headscarf worn by Muslim women was misspelled as "jihab."
Hijab, jihab, jihad it's all the same. Bad for America

If the bigoted school administrators misspelled "hijab" in their stupid announcement they can suck it now, because the victimised Muslim student could rightfully say that the school wanted to ban jihabs, and never actually said anything about banning hijabs.


Just wait until some kid brings a JIHAB scissor-lift to school.
 
Rapmaster2000 [TotalFark]
2022-08-21 10:51:29 PM  

foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?


None of the charter schools around me are religious.  They're just focused on a specific discipline.  There's one for language immersion and one where the school is 50% refugees and 50% nonrefugee with the goal of helping the refugees integrate easier.
 
Bennie Crabtree
2022-08-21 10:53:17 PM  

Resident Muslim: Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?

"should bear no responsibility".
God forbid there are consequences.

/and yeah, France does this (Hijab ban), then blames the girls/families for putting their beliefs first and calls them anti-education.


I like this book for pushing against Islamophobic policies. It argues that Muslims in the UAS and Europe should adopt multiculturalism as their philosophy for govenment. Like, they live in participatory democracy, and they should participate by pushing for multiculturalism. (Canada is largley avoided because multcultralism is in our constitution, so it's a moot point to argue here). Tariq Modood is my fave author about multiculturalism - his point of view is quite different than my wonderbread Canadian background - he changed how I read Canadian politics, since it's de rigeur to critique multiculturalism's failures here.

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powhound
2022-08-21 10:53:24 PM  

foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?


In general, charter =/= private school. Charter schools must follow the same state regulations, with some accommodations given such as not mandating transportation, etc.
 
trappedspirit
2022-08-21 10:54:48 PM  
Forget it, Jake.  It's a charter school.
 
Mock26
2022-08-21 11:17:17 PM  

koder: Oh no if only we had federal legislation that regulated all the schools to prevent this from happening but oh no you wanted your farking stupid-ass charter schools like farkwits.


The school in question is a public school and as such is bound by the 1st Amendment.
 
Mock26
2022-08-21 11:18:26 PM  

chitownmike: OMG, PRIVATE SCHOOLS HAVE DRESS CODES!!!!


This particular school is not a private school. It is a public school.
 
Mock26
2022-08-21 11:19:09 PM  

foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?


Most charter schools are public schools and not private religious schools.
 
hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-21 11:59:30 PM  
"My family is very devout and committed.

-No, not like that."
 
DigitalDirt
2022-08-22 12:07:10 AM  

buravirgil: AlphaG33k: Look, lets spare a lot of trouble, lets just go directly to this:
[s1.r29static.com image 418x503]
This is where the US is going, right?...lets save a lot of heartache, and get right there.
or maybe something like this?
[i.insider.com image 569x426]
or maybe this?
[dramaticpublishing.com image 542x361]
[Fark user image 474x640]


Those are clearly Jr. Highschool girls.
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Floki [TotalFark]
2022-08-22 12:20:01 AM  
"Social Media
Use of such social media as Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter, etc. are not permitted during school hours."

Use of social media... ISnot permitted, right?
 
Shryke
2022-08-22 12:32:00 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?


Racist? Islam is a race now?

Or are you just relying on your OMFGRACISM  button again, oopsy-daisy?
 
Discordulator
2022-08-22 12:33:22 AM  

Shryke: Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?

Racist? Islam is a race now?

Or are you just relying on your OMFGRACISM  button again, oopsy-daisy?


Bless your heart.
 
Boojum2k
2022-08-22 12:54:24 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?

Muslim convert here. Many born Muslims naively think that religious Christians are alright with their kids practicing Islam because they both have children attending to a religious (Christian) school.


Isn't it "revert" instead of convert, since Islam believes everyone is born Muslim? Then you live as whatever, and after you die the Mormons get you. In any case, let the girl wear her religious headscarf, it hurts no one and as been pointed out it's constitutionally protected.
 
ecmoRandomNumbers [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-22 12:57:18 AM  

Resident Muslim: Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?

"should bear no responsibility".
God forbid there are consequences.

/and yeah, France does this (Hijab ban), then blames the girls/families for putting their beliefs first and calls them anti-education.


The French.
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RatMaster999
2022-08-22 1:06:46 AM  

TuckFrump: foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?

And carries around an AR-15


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DarkSoulNoHope
2022-08-22 1:12:04 AM  

Boojum2k: DarkSoulNoHope: foo monkey: Why would a Muslim girl go to a charter school, where they teach Jesus rode around on dinosaurs?

Muslim convert here. Many born Muslims naively think that religious Christians are alright with their kids practicing Islam because they both have children attending to a religious (Christian) school.

Isn't it "revert" instead of convert, since Islam believes everyone is born Muslim? Then you live as whatever, and after you die the Mormons get you. In any case, let the girl wear her religious headscarf, it hurts no one and as been pointed out it's constitutionally protected.


I say convert to non-Muslim make it easier understood for people who don't understand that concept.

/I think the conman Joseph Smith stole concepts Islam and Christianity (and a bit of Judaism) to create his Mormon "religion" (that temple ritual shown on youtube, they're basically wearing shiny Muslim-like clothes)
//Charter schools are evil in my opinion, they take public funds but are able to avoid teacher unionization and they kick out any student not making the grades (instead of putting them into special education classes for assistance) to pretend their students are outperforming the public schools; and they also seem to want to dictate which student gets to practice their religion and which one doesn't
 
replacementcool
2022-08-22 1:28:53 AM  

Shryke: Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?

Racist? Islam is a race now?

Or are you just relying on your OMFGRACISM  button again, oopsy-daisy?


Yes, islamophobia is steeped in racism, and it's blindingly obvious to anybody with more than 2 neurons.
 
Commander Lysdexic
2022-08-22 2:05:54 AM  

Shryke: Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?

Racist? Islam is a race now?

Or are you just relying on your OMFGRACISM  button again, oopsy-daisy?


'how is that racist?' - white proverb
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2022-08-22 2:37:32 AM  

Shryke: Benevolent Misanthrope: "While we would like to reiterate that the well-respected staff member overseeing the process should bear no responsibility for what has transpired, we understand how our handling of the situation came across as insensitive and look forward to using this moment as a learning opportunity to improve our policies and procedures," the school's statement said.

Maybe it "came across as insensitive" because you're a bunch of racist f*ckwits, has that occurred to you?

Racist? Islam is a race now?

Or are you just relying on your OMFGRACISM  button again, oopsy-daisy?


This is the sort of argument that comes from knowing that the word racism is toxic, that being called racist is bad, but refuses to consider the reasons as to why. It's stupid to split hairs over terminology. Doubly so when the terminology is entirely subject to time, place and cultural context. Extraordinarily so when the only reason to do so is to weasel out of the negative label.

It's like when the W. Bush administration rebadged torture as 'enhanced interrogation'. That, they argued, made it acceptable. Or when Nazis try to argue that they aren't Nazis because they aren't literally part of the Third Reich.
 
powhound
2022-08-22 2:41:14 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: //Charter schools are evil in my opinion, they take public funds but are able to avoid teacher unionization and they kick out any student not making the grades (instead of putting them into special education classes for assistance) to pretend their students are outperforming the public schools; and they also seem to want to dictate which student gets to practice their religion and which one doesn't


A couple things. The union thing depends on the state. Red states already have weak teacher union laws. I teach in Utah and don't even bother with it. My district has a union but would never dare advocate a walk out or anything like that. What's the point in paying dues?

Charter schools receive funding based on the number of students. They aren't required to provide sped here as far as I know, so tossing a kid just hurts their funding for no good reason.

Finally, it always depends on who runs things. The big problem with charter schools is that people founding them expect to make money off of them. The one I worked at the principal cared deeply about education. The founding board less so. After I got my masters I returned to a regular public school, but I did enjoy my experience at the charter. It was kind of a last place for kids to go who didn't fit in with the 2000+ normal public school. The principal at the former charter moved to a different one in another city with a better organization.

The nice thing with charter schools is that they provide a focus in certain fields. Mine was movie and photography production. There's a number of STEM specific charter schools.

Well run charter schools actually fill a need some kids are missing. The main problem are those founded by grifters. Which is why anybody advocating for school vouchers needs to be punched in the face.
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
2022-08-22 3:22:49 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: Do they have a history of students wearing hijabs for the hell of it?

Are they wearing them because "they look dope"?  (I'm old, fark off!)


I'm now picturing Dr. Zed for some reason when you type...

/I'll bet you don't have no fancy medical license
 
Some Junkie Cosmonaut
2022-08-22 3:28:07 AM  

powhound: DarkSoulNoHope: //Charter schools are evil in my opinion, they take public funds but are able to avoid teacher unionization and they kick out any student not making the grades (instead of putting them into special education classes for assistance) to pretend their students are outperforming the public schools; and they also seem to want to dictate which student gets to practice their religion and which one doesn't

A couple things. The union thing depends on the state. Red states already have weak teacher union laws. I teach in Utah and don't even bother with it. My district has a union but would never dare advocate a walk out or anything like that. What's the point in paying dues?

Charter schools receive funding based on the number of students. They aren't required to provide sped here as far as I know, so tossing a kid just hurts their funding for no good reason.

Finally, it always depends on who runs things. The big problem with charter schools is that people founding them expect to make money off of them. The one I worked at the principal cared deeply about education. The founding board less so. After I got my masters I returned to a regular public school, but I did enjoy my experience at the charter. It was kind of a last place for kids to go who didn't fit in with the 2000+ normal public school. The principal at the former charter moved to a different one in another city with a better organization.

The nice thing with charter schools is that they provide a focus in certain fields. Mine was movie and photography production. There's a number of STEM specific charter schools.

Well run charter schools actually fill a need some kids are missing. The main problem are those founded by grifters. Which is why anybody advocating for school vouchers needs to be punched in the face.


Who taught you how to resolve conflicts FFS?  That's completely unacceptable

/they need to be punched in the dick
//if they do not have a dick, graft one on and start punching
///you're allowed to stop when you can see the spinal column
 
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