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(SlashFilm)   At this rate, we're going to need New Math and imaginary numbers to keep track of Ocean's 11 remakes, sequels, and spinoffs   (slashfilm.com) divider line
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2022-08-19 9:37:58 PM  
Why not just make Ocean's 10 louder, and have that be the loudest Ocean?
 
2022-08-19 9:41:34 PM  
Idea: 
Cross over between Oceans 11 and Now You See Me.
 
2022-08-19 11:58:43 PM  
Tom Lehrer - New Math (Animated)
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2022-08-20 12:19:29 AM  
You'd need new math to figure out how few f*cks I give
 
2022-08-20 12:49:02 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You'd need new math to figure out how few f*cks I give


Are you saying your farms are irrational or imaginary?
 
2022-08-20 12:58:45 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You'd need new math to figure out how few f*cks I give


Are infinite zeros more zero than zero?
 
2022-08-20 1:16:02 AM  
I mean... speaking as one of the handful of people who'll openly admit to enjoying this genre, it's kinda farking weird to "reboot" an ensemble heist film.

The whole draw of these films is the gambit pileup around the heist.  If you're literally remaking it beat-for-beat, no one gives a shiat because we've already seen that particular sequence of interacting gambits and subplots interfering with each other and know how it ends, so it's not fun anymore.  If you're changing some element of the plan or the interfering sub-plots then you've made a different heist movie, so why shrink your audience to the smaller number of people who liked whatever movie originally had the title you're using?  Just give it its own title.

Are the people making this under the impression anyone gives a shiat about the characters beyond how their fairly-broad character dynamics shift how the elements of the heist interact with each other?  Because if that's why they're doing this it's a really bad sign as far as anyone involved in the project actually understanding what the appeal is, here.  Danny Ocean having no character traits beyond 'charming' and no character background beyond 'ex-husband of one character related to the heist' is a feature, not a bug.  No one is emotionally attached to farking Danny Ocean, or gives a shiat about his rich inner life or off-screen hobbies or whatever.  That is not what this kind of movie is for, it's not Lord of the Rings.
 
2022-08-20 1:18:32 AM  
when it's playing on the loop on fx i am sure i'll watch it.  i don't have anything invested in this franchise so reboot away.
 
2022-08-20 1:56:44 AM  
After this take on Ocean's 11, I'm looking forward to Ocean's 11 Babies just so the studio can start a new franchise.,
 
2022-08-20 2:17:34 AM  
Ocean's 14 in Space.
 
2022-08-20 2:23:46 AM  
Oceans sqrt(-1) where everyone stops bothering with guns and casinos, but instead open a coin with celebrity pump and dump and take out hundreds of millions after a Superb Owl advertisement.
 
2022-08-20 2:38:31 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You'd need new math to figure out how few f*cks I give


Peasant.

I measure my lack of care in Rhode Islands.
 
2022-08-20 2:52:15 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I mean... speaking as one of the handful of people who'll openly admit to enjoying this genre, it's kinda farking weird to "reboot" an ensemble heist film.

The whole draw of these films is the gambit pileup around the heist.  If you're literally remaking it beat-for-beat, no one gives a shiat because we've already seen that particular sequence of interacting gambits and subplots interfering with each other and know how it ends, so it's not fun anymore.  If you're changing some element of the plan or the interfering sub-plots then you've made a different heist movie, so why shrink your audience to the smaller number of people who liked whatever movie originally had the title you're using?  Just give it its own title.

Are the people making this under the impression anyone gives a shiat about the characters beyond how their fairly-broad character dynamics shift how the elements of the heist interact with each other?  Because if that's why they're doing this it's a really bad sign as far as anyone involved in the project actually understanding what the appeal is, here.  Danny Ocean having no character traits beyond 'charming' and no character background beyond 'ex-husband of one character related to the heist' is a feature, not a bug.  No one is emotionally attached to farking Danny Ocean, or gives a shiat about his rich inner life or off-screen hobbies or whatever.  That is not what this kind of movie is for, it's not Lord of the Rings.


The last 100 years have proved to the business that more people spend money to go to a movie they know.
All people have to do, to get more new movies with original ideas, is pay to go to new movies with original ideas.
 
2022-08-20 2:54:19 AM  
How Imaginary Numbers Were Invented
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2022-08-20 8:11:16 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Ocean's 14 in Space.


I'll wait for Ocean's 15: In The Hood
 
2022-08-20 9:10:45 AM  
No Steven Soderbergh? No thank you.
 
2022-08-20 10:09:07 AM  
The Rick and Morty heist episode covered the genre for me for the rest of my life. Just can't see it the same way ever again.
 
2022-08-20 10:29:29 AM  
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2022-08-20 12:04:02 PM  
Reunite a team we haven't yet seen?

Stupid article.
 
2022-08-20 2:57:03 PM  
The first one was an excuse to see Those Guys schmooze around together in a film.  It wasn't a great heist movie, or, you know, a great movie.  It was a great cast of eccentrically egotistic entertainers doing a thing, and people wanted to see that.  It's fine for what it was.

The first of the remake series was the same, except they concentrated too much on the heist, which was . . . terrible.  Most modern heist movies have terrible heists.  It's like people want to make clever complex heist pictures, but they don't want to do enough work to construct the heists.  Why set up the acrobatic bit if you're just going to do a bad CGI rendition of a bad acrobatic trick?  Why do exposition on an EMP device that doesn't do what an EMP does and isn't really justified anyway?  Yadda yadda.

I didn't bother with the sequels.  I was sort of exhausted by the remake of The Italian Job.  But if you're gonna do more of these, unless you're somehow actually going to do an amazing heist, don't emphasize the heist.  Emphasize the cast.  Do it Will Ferrell-style (for good values of Will Ferrell Film) and film enough of them improvising and bouncing dialogue until you can pare 90 good minutes out of it.
 
2022-08-20 6:29:30 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I mean... speaking as one of the handful of people who'll openly admit to enjoying this genre, it's kinda farking weird to "reboot" an ensemble heist film.


Well the Clooney version is a reboot/remake

The whole draw of these films is the gambit pileup around the heist.  If you're literally remaking it beat-for-beat, no one gives a shiat because we've already seen that particular sequence of interacting gambits and subplots interfering with each other and know how it ends, so it's not fun anymore.  If you're changing some element of the plan or the interfering sub-plots then you've made a different heist movie, so why shrink your audience to the smaller number of people who liked whatever movie originally had the title you're using?  Just give it its own title.

Are the people making this under the impression anyone gives a shiat about the characters beyond how their fairly-broad character dynamics shift how the elements of the heist interact with each other?  Because if that's why they're doing this it's a really bad sign as far as anyone involved in the project actually understanding what the appeal is, here.  Danny Ocean having no character traits beyond 'charming' and no character background beyond 'ex-husband of one character related to the heist' is a feature, not a bug.  No one is emotionally attached to farking Danny Ocean, or gives a shiat about his rich inner life or off-screen hobbies or whatever.  That is not what this kind of movie is for, it's not Lord of the Rings.


Everything you said is correct. THIS
 
2022-08-20 6:34:03 PM  

RandomAxe: The first one was an excuse to see Those Guys schmooze around together in a film.  It wasn't a great heist movie, or, you know, a great movie.  It was a great cast of eccentrically egotistic entertainers doing a thing, and people wanted to see that.  It's fine for what it was.


What is a good heist film to you?

I enjoyed Clooney's O11, and thought it was well made. I think the collection of entertainers worked well together. The acrobat and EMP are valid points. The sequels were an excuse to work together again. Oceans 9 should have been better with the talent involved but comes of empty to me.
 
2022-08-20 10:10:07 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I mean... speaking as one of the handful of people who'll openly admit to enjoying this genre, it's kinda farking weird to "reboot" an ensemble heist film.

The whole draw of these films is the gambit pileup around the heist.  If you're literally remaking it beat-for-beat, no one gives a shiat because we've already seen that particular sequence of interacting gambits and subplots interfering with each other and know how it ends, so it's not fun anymore.  If you're changing some element of the plan or the interfering sub-plots then you've made a different heist movie, so why shrink your audience to the smaller number of people who liked whatever movie originally had the title you're using?  Just give it its own title.

Are the people making this under the impression anyone gives a shiat about the characters beyond how their fairly-broad character dynamics shift how the elements of the heist interact with each other?  Because if that's why they're doing this it's a really bad sign as far as anyone involved in the project actually understanding what the appeal is, here.  Danny Ocean having no character traits beyond 'charming' and no character background beyond 'ex-husband of one character related to the heist' is a feature, not a bug.  No one is emotionally attached to farking Danny Ocean, or gives a shiat about his rich inner life or off-screen hobbies or whatever.  That is not what this kind of movie is for, it's not Lord of the Rings.


Is it a remake, or a generic heist movie and they can't come up with an original name, which tells you the level of effort put into the rest of the project?
 
2022-08-21 9:11:37 AM  

ReaverZ: RandomAxe: The first one was an excuse to see Those Guys schmooze around together in a film.  It wasn't a great heist movie, or, you know, a great movie.  It was a great cast of eccentrically egotistic entertainers doing a thing, and people wanted to see that.  It's fine for what it was.

What is a good heist film to you?

I enjoyed Clooney's O11, and thought it was well made. I think the collection of entertainers worked well together. The acrobat and EMP are valid points. The sequels were an excuse to work together again. Oceans 9 should have been better with the talent involved but comes of empty to me.


The first one he's talking about is the Rat Pack one.  He's right that it's not very good.  If you're into the Rat Pack, it's worth it for that, but that's about it.
 
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