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2022-08-19 12:39:37 PM  
It WAS a hilarious stinger for the episode. And cutting off 'Captain America f*cks!' for a Disney show is even MOAR hilarious.

The show doesn't have the cinema quality CG that the movies bring--it's a little light and floaty--but the show is much more in the dialog and the situation. I do kind of take a little exception to the idea that Jen got her power not from a transfusion but just blood contact, but it does make the connection a bit more personal and tight between Banner and his cousin. In the MCU it makes sense to play it out that way instead of her getting gunned down and needing a transfusion to save her life on the day he went to tell her about his being The Hulk. It makes internal sense to the style of the MCU, and a few less tragic deaths of parents for Disney is a step forward.
 
2022-08-19 12:41:22 PM  
The bigger story here is that Ruffalo kept a Marvel secret. Tom Holland is now our go-to for spoilers
 
2022-08-19 12:41:26 PM  
I cried in the theater when I saw Captain America having sex in 1943. The mix of romance and action was the perfect cinematic experience. The scene with "Ol' Starspangled" was hilarious and poignant. My family can't wait to see it again.
 
2022-08-19 12:41:51 PM  
Sadly, the poor girl did not survive Cap's orgasm as she was slammed into the ceiling headfirst and suffered severe cerebral trauma and never woke up from the coma
 
2022-08-19 12:49:38 PM  
Is Lizzo still thirstin for him?

Yet no one will say he's way out of her league and she's morbidly obese.
 
2022-08-19 12:51:49 PM  
Chris Evans is a virgin? Aww, poor guy.
 
2022-08-19 12:54:04 PM  

hubiestubert: It WAS a hilarious stinger for the episode. And cutting off 'Captain America f*cks!' for a Disney show is even MOAR hilarious.

The show doesn't have the cinema quality CG that the movies bring--it's a little light and floaty--but the show is much more in the dialog and the situation. I do kind of take a little exception to the idea that Jen got her power not from a transfusion but just blood contact, but it does make the connection a bit more personal and tight between Banner and his cousin. In the MCU it makes sense to play it out that way instead of her getting gunned down and needing a transfusion to save her life on the day he went to tell her about his being The Hulk. It makes internal sense to the style of the MCU, and a few less tragic deaths of parents for Disney is a step forward.


Captain America fixes the cable?

Agreed.  She Hulk is great.  Did you catch when she flips Bruce the bird after he pushed her off of the cliff?
 
2022-08-19 1:03:54 PM  

covfefe: I cried in the theater when I saw Captain America having sex in 1943. The mix of romance and action was the perfect cinematic experience. The scene with "Ol' Starspangled" was hilarious and poignant. My family can't wait to see it again.


I had the same reaction when Silk Spectre and Note Owl had their intimate encounter as the soothing voice of Leonard Cohen whispered, 'Hallelujah'.
 
2022-08-19 1:05:11 PM  
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2022-08-19 1:08:06 PM  
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2022-08-19 1:08:06 PM  
It was a cute first episode. Funny, and light in tone.

I'm burned out on MCU, but wifey wanted to watch it - and she's been sitting through me playing Disco Elysium lately, so I didn't think it would be nice to tell her she was on her own for this one.
 
2022-08-19 1:13:24 PM  
the comment section looks like a bunch of incels bemoaning a loss to the group.
 
2022-08-19 1:14:04 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Sadly, the poor girl did not survive Cap's orgasm as she was slammed into the ceiling headfirst and suffered severe cerebral trauma and never woke up from the coma


Ceiling?  Cap is always on top, a missionary man.
 
2022-08-19 1:21:29 PM  
Jennifer Walters is the hero we all deserve, because in the very first episode of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, she finally gets to the bottom of one of Marvel's biggest mysteries: Did Captain America die a virgin?

Why is this a "mystery"? The answer is almost positively NO. Remember, her stayed in the past with Peggy Carter, and they lived a full life together. So unless he was married for 60 years and never once decided to bump uglies with the wife, he did NOT die a virgin.
 
2022-08-19 1:21:34 PM  

chucknasty: the comment section looks like a bunch of incels bemoaning a loss to the group.


Not surprising. Just as they did with Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, they've already been review-bombing it, and started before it was even released. Once it came out and Jen had a scene where she talked about what it's like being a woman, you KNEW they were going to triple-down on hating it.

I really enjoyed the first episode. It's just a light almost-sitcom with Hulks. Cute, funny, Tatiana Maslany is as endearing as she always is. Nothing consequential, nor does it intend to be. It's meant to be FUN, and it was.

A lot of supposed comic/superhero fans seem to forget that you're supposed to have fun now and then.

Supposedly, the show doesn't have some big grand saga and will instead be pretty episodic in nature.

I like that idea and hope that's the case. It will be a nice change of pace.
 
2022-08-19 1:23:36 PM  

hubiestubert: It WAS a hilarious stinger for the episode. And cutting off 'Captain America f*cks!' for a Disney show is even MOAR hilarious.

The show doesn't have the cinema quality CG that the movies bring--it's a little light and floaty--but the show is much more in the dialog and the situation. I do kind of take a little exception to the idea that Jen got her power not from a transfusion but just blood contact, but it does make the connection a bit more personal and tight between Banner and his cousin. In the MCU it makes sense to play it out that way instead of her getting gunned down and needing a transfusion to save her life on the day he went to tell her about his being The Hulk. It makes internal sense to the style of the MCU, and a few less tragic deaths of parents for Disney is a step forward.


It was bit odd though. There were times when she looked amazing, and times when she had 47 foot long, scrawny legs, and looked more like a character in Avatar. I'm hoping those were just leftovers from the "before" version. It was a lot of fun, but there was some bad CGI that was very distracting. great casting, she's a hoot!
 
2022-08-19 1:29:24 PM  
I loved EVERYTHING about this show except for the scene w/Titania.  That jump-kick was right out of schlocky Sunday morning martial arts movies.  And the punch Jennifer gave her was irresponsible.  Yeah, she can throw a desk but who knows if she can withstand a Hulk punch to the jaw.  Maybe Titania just has bionic arms--Jennifer doesn't know.
 
2022-08-19 1:35:27 PM  

hammettman: HighlanderRPI: Sadly, the poor girl did not survive Cap's orgasm as she was slammed into the ceiling headfirst and suffered severe cerebral trauma and never woke up from the coma

Ceiling?  Cap is always on top, a missionary man.


No, there's a reason they call her "Peggy" and not Margaret.

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2022-08-19 1:38:22 PM  

Mikey1969: Jennifer Walters is the hero we all deserve, because in the very first episode of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, she finally gets to the bottom of one of Marvel's biggest mysteries: Did Captain America die a virgin?

Why is this a "mystery"? The answer is almost positively NO. Remember, her stayed in the past with Peggy Carter, and they lived a full life together. So unless he was married for 60 years and never once decided to bump uglies with the wife, he did NOT die a virgin.


WaPo article today had that he was so busy, he "suddenly" appeared as an old man next to Sam.

Uh, no. It took 60 years, and during that time, several occasions,Peggy hailed the Star-Spangled Banner. And I don't mean Bruce.
 
2022-08-19 1:53:00 PM  
Heh, I tried to watch it but I cancelled Disney. Then Comcast called today and I think I have Disney, so I'll give it a go.
 
2022-08-19 2:00:09 PM  

brigid_fitch: I loved EVERYTHING about this show except for the scene w/Titania.  That jump-kick was right out of schlocky Sunday morning martial arts movies.  And the punch Jennifer gave her was irresponsible.  Yeah, she can throw a desk but who knows if she can withstand a Hulk punch to the jaw.  Maybe Titania just has bionic arms--Jennifer doesn't know.


I thought the same thing initially, but my kid pointed out  that entrance was VERY true to comic books. Villains' enter a room like .Kramer on cocaine and Red Bull.
 
2022-08-19 2:04:23 PM  

hubiestubert: It WAS a hilarious stinger for the episode. And cutting off 'Captain America f*cks!' for a Disney show is even MOAR hilarious.

The show doesn't have the cinema quality CG that the movies bring--it's a little light and floaty--but the show is much more in the dialog and the situation. I do kind of take a little exception to the idea that Jen got her power not from a transfusion but just blood contact, but it does make the connection a bit more personal and tight between Banner and his cousin. In the MCU it makes sense to play it out that way instead of her getting gunned down and needing a transfusion to save her life on the day he went to tell her about his being The Hulk. It makes internal sense to the style of the MCU, and a few less tragic deaths of parents for Disney is a step forward.


It also hinted at a "mutation" angle which, after Ms. Marvel, seems a like a good way to start segueing more and more into X-men type stuff.
 
2022-08-19 2:06:48 PM  

ippolit: covfefe: I cried in the theater when I saw Captain America having sex in 1943. The mix of romance and action was the perfect cinematic experience. The scene with "Ol' Starspangled" was hilarious and poignant. My family can't wait to see it again.

I had the same reaction when Silk Spectre and Note Owl had their intimate encounter as the soothing voice of Leonard Cohen whispered, 'Hallelujah'.


Note Owl sounds like a boring superhero, but probably more interesting than Nite Owl who was really just a pudgy, middle aged, impotent Batman.
 
2022-08-19 2:10:30 PM  

shoegaze99: chucknasty: the comment section looks like a bunch of incels bemoaning a loss to the group.

Not surprising. Just as they did with Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, they've already been review-bombing it, and started before it was even released. Once it came out and Jen had a scene where she talked about what it's like being a woman, you KNEW they were going to triple-down on hating it.

I really enjoyed the first episode. It's just a light almost-sitcom with Hulks. Cute, funny, Tatiana Maslany is as endearing as she always is. Nothing consequential, nor does it intend to be. It's meant to be FUN, and it was.

A lot of supposed comic/superhero fans seem to forget that you're supposed to have fun now and then.

Supposedly, the show doesn't have some big grand saga and will instead be pretty episodic in nature.

I like that idea and hope that's the case. It will be a nice change of pace.


Ms. Marvel was farking gem of a show. Unabashedly loved it and it wasn't even "made for me". It's just a good, fun story. You can tell the star of the show really loved the character (she was a fan of it and even cosplayed as her).
 
2022-08-19 2:10:49 PM  

hubiestubert: It WAS a hilarious stinger for the episode. And cutting off 'Captain America f*cks!' for a Disney show is even MOAR hilarious.

The show doesn't have the cinema quality CG that the movies bring--it's a little light and floaty--but the show is much more in the dialog and the situation. I do kind of take a little exception to the idea that Jen got her power not from a transfusion but just blood contact, but it does make the connection a bit more personal and tight between Banner and his cousin. In the MCU it makes sense to play it out that way instead of her getting gunned down and needing a transfusion to save her life on the day he went to tell her about his being The Hulk. It makes internal sense to the style of the MCU, and a few less tragic deaths of parents for Disney is a step forward.


Bingo. And the misunderstandings between Jen and Bruce just made the episode. Jen thinks Bruce is being too extreme in destroying the samples, but he knows from experience what can happen. Bruce thinks Jen's Hulk experience will be just like his, but she's far more aware of her emotions and her body than the latent DID bookworm scientist he was before his transformation. She's faster and more flexible than his Hulk, but he's still stronger. I had zero complaints about the episode and absolutely enjoyed it.
 
2022-08-19 2:25:48 PM  

RyansPrivates: Ms. Marvel was farking gem of a show. Unabashedly loved it and it wasn't even "made for me". It's just a good, fun story. You can tell the star of the show really loved the character (she was a fan of it and even cosplayed as her).


Agree wholeheartedly. I didn't expect to like it, knowing the target demographic and having no real experience with or attachment to the character, but ended up enjoying it. And in fact, liked the family stuff WAY more than the superhero aspects.

The lead actress was an absolute delight and super charming, and the supporting cast (especially the dad!) were warm and likeable. I even grew to like the mom.

The super parts of the show were kind of meh, but the cast and family dynamic was sweet and likeable, and again, I really loved how witty and fun the lead was. She's great. Hard to believe she's never acted before.

We sometimes forget to take something for what it is rather than for what we wish it was. Approaching Ms. Marvel with the former attitude is the right idea.
 
2022-08-19 2:26:04 PM  
I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.
 
2022-08-19 2:28:19 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.


Yes, though it's unclear if Bruce knew that. We only ever seen old man Steve talking to Sam (with Bucky nearby), and he declines to tell Sam about his life (though Sam DOES seem that he was married at some point).
 
2022-08-19 2:28:39 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.


I don't think they told the public he went back in time to have a life with Peggy. I think most people just assume he died in the events of Avengers Endgame.
 
2022-08-19 2:29:35 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.


Presumably no one knows exactly what happened to him when he went back. There's a whole meme about it when he was asked about it

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2022-08-19 2:35:21 PM  
Captain America is a fictional character. Rule 34 guarantees that there are no virginal characters in fiction. And very few household appliances.
 
2022-08-19 2:41:03 PM  

shoegaze99: Not surprising. Just as they did with Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, they've already been review-bombing it, and started before it was even released. Once it came out and Jen had a scene where she talked about what it's like being a woman, you KNEW they were going to triple-down on hating it


It's weird to see all the toxicity in the Marvel fan base now. They're worse than what the Image crowd used to be. They're so disconnected from what the comics stand for and yet try to gatekeep it. Hardly any of them even have read anything anyway. They just want to argue from what they remember from the X-Men cartoon.
 
2022-08-19 2:52:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.

I don't think they told the public he went back in time to have a life with Peggy. I think most people just assume he died in the events of Avengers Endgame.


I'm not sure how someone can watch the movie and miss those entire scenes.
 
2022-08-19 2:56:36 PM  

Boojum2k: hubiestubert: It WAS a hilarious stinger for the episode. And cutting off 'Captain America f*cks!' for a Disney show is even MOAR hilarious.

The show doesn't have the cinema quality CG that the movies bring--it's a little light and floaty--but the show is much more in the dialog and the situation. I do kind of take a little exception to the idea that Jen got her power not from a transfusion but just blood contact, but it does make the connection a bit more personal and tight between Banner and his cousin. In the MCU it makes sense to play it out that way instead of her getting gunned down and needing a transfusion to save her life on the day he went to tell her about his being The Hulk. It makes internal sense to the style of the MCU, and a few less tragic deaths of parents for Disney is a step forward.

Bingo. And the misunderstandings between Jen and Bruce just made the episode. Jen thinks Bruce is being too extreme in destroying the samples, but he knows from experience what can happen. Bruce thinks Jen's Hulk experience will be just like his, but she's far more aware of her emotions and her body than the latent DID bookworm scientist he was before his transformation. She's faster and more flexible than his Hulk, but he's still stronger. I had zero complaints about the episode and absolutely enjoyed it.


That's always been the point of She Hulk, she was more in control.

mongbiohazard: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.

I don't think they told the public he went back in time to have a life with Peggy. I think most people just assume he died in the events of Avengers Endgame.


Um, did I see a special edition of the movie then? You know, the part where he shows up on a park bench, looking about 85, and talking about staying to be with Peggy, even including some flashback scenes of them together?

Did nobody else see that version of Endgame?
 
2022-08-19 2:56:52 PM  

redmid17: mongbiohazard: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.

I don't think they told the public he went back in time to have a life with Peggy. I think most people just assume he died in the events of Avengers Endgame.

I'm not sure how someone can watch the movie and miss those entire scenes.


Pretty sure they mean the characters in the MCU weren't told he went back in time to get busy with Peggy...
 
2022-08-19 2:58:02 PM  

redmid17: mongbiohazard: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I may be a little behind the times, but didn't Steve Rogers find his way back to the congenial company of Peggy Carter?  I thought an intimate relationship was assumed.

I don't think they told the public he went back in time to have a life with Peggy. I think most people just assume he died in the events of Avengers Endgame.

I'm not sure how someone can watch the movie and miss those entire scenes.


There's a number of folks doing pretty much the opposite - forgetting that we watched those scenes in a movie, the people of that world in the movie weren't there (and would have no way of knowing unless they made a point of publicizing it) what really happened to Captain America.
 
2022-08-19 2:58:38 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: shoegaze99: Not surprising. Just as they did with Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, they've already been review-bombing it, and started before it was even released. Once it came out and Jen had a scene where she talked about what it's like being a woman, you KNEW they were going to triple-down on hating it

It's weird to see all the toxicity in the Marvel fan base now. They're worse than what the Image crowd used to be. They're so disconnected from what the comics stand for and yet try to gatekeep it. Hardly any of them even have read anything anyway. They just want to argue from what they remember from the X-Men cartoon.


It's been disheartening to see segments of the fandom take the same route Star Wars fandom has taken, often deciding they hate something the moment it's announced and then inventing reasons to justify their hatred as time goes on. By the time something comes out, they've got their list of grievances well-prepared and their minds fully set.

Same with the broadening audience. That seems to REALLY rankle them. Anything that brings in new and different views is a bad thing, it's destroying Marvel, blah blah blah.

I don't care if people dislike this stuff. Taste is taste. No big deal.

But it seems for a lot of them, their goal is to poison the well and ensure no one else gets any enjoyment, either. They are determined that you share in their misery.

With Star Wars, it's reached a point where there is no longer any fun chatting online with people about it, because half of it is bile. Not constructive criticism or fun fan nitpicking (which is a fun part of any fandom, if not taken too seriously). It's just bile.

I'd sure hate for Marvel fandom to go the same route.
 
2022-08-19 2:59:02 PM  

EdgeRunner: Captain America is a fictional character. Rule 34 guarantees that there are no virginal characters in fiction. And very few household appliances.


I would be surprised if you could think of a household appliance that someone, somewhere hasn't had sex with IRL.
 
2022-08-19 3:03:20 PM  

Omnidirectional Punching: shoegaze99: Not surprising. Just as they did with Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, they've already been review-bombing it, and started before it was even released. Once it came out and Jen had a scene where she talked about what it's like being a woman, you KNEW they were going to triple-down on hating it

It's weird to see all the toxicity in the Marvel fan base now. They're worse than what the Image crowd used to be. They're so disconnected from what the comics stand for and yet try to gatekeep it. Hardly any of them even have read anything anyway. They just want to argue from what they remember from the X-Men cartoon.


What kills you is that these are the same guys who decried the lack of women interested in their hobby. And now that there ARE more women interested in it, they're freaking out that the publishers are doing stories that appeal to that demographic. And as the comics publishers try to actually deliver on the ideals that their books keep championing, the more freaked out these dudes get. Which is ESPECIALLY hilarious when they latch onto the X-Men, a book that had very thinly veiled themes that they're decrying now as 'too Woke.' They want to hold onto the idea of outsiders against the world, and dismiss those themes of racism and bigotry which are intrinsic to those books.

Then again, a lot of these cats just read comics for the power fantasy, not the story and themes. They are all about the revenge fantasies, and sort of gloss over the ideals and the very notion of responsibility.
 
2022-08-19 3:06:45 PM  
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2022-08-19 3:16:36 PM  

Mikey1969: Boojum2k: hubiestubert: It WAS a hilarious stinger for the episode. And cutting off 'Captain America f*cks!' for a Disney show is even MOAR hilarious.

The show doesn't have the cinema quality CG that the movies bring--it's a little light and floaty--but the show is much more in the dialog and the situation. I do kind of take a little exception to the idea that Jen got her power not from a transfusion but just blood contact, but it does make the connection a bit more personal and tight between Banner and his cousin. In the MCU it makes sense to play it out that way instead of her getting gunned down and needing a transfusion to save her life on the day he went to tell her about his being The Hulk. It makes internal sense to the style of the MCU, and a few less tragic deaths of parents for Disney is a step forward.

Bingo. And the misunderstandings between Jen and Bruce just made the episode. Jen thinks Bruce is being too extreme in destroying the samples, but he knows from experience what can happen. Bruce thinks Jen's Hulk experience will be just like his, but she's far more aware of her emotions and her body than the latent DID bookworm scientist he was before his transformation. She's faster and more flexible than his Hulk, but he's still stronger. I had zero complaints about the episode and absolutely enjoyed it.

That's always been the point of She Hulk, she was more in control.


Yep. I didn't read her first series, but I did read the Byrne run. I didn't want my X-Men ripped up!
 
2022-08-19 3:17:45 PM  
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2022-08-19 3:18:22 PM  
He was a good looking American soldier in Europe during WW2 and a celebrity to boot. He'd have a hard time not losing his virginity.
 
2022-08-19 3:21:30 PM  
I enjoyed it.
 
2022-08-19 3:37:21 PM  

brigid_fitch: I loved EVERYTHING about this show except for the scene w/Titania.  That jump-kick was right out of schlocky Sunday morning martial arts movies.  And the punch Jennifer gave her was irresponsible.  Yeah, she can throw a desk but who knows if she can withstand a Hulk punch to the jaw.  Maybe Titania just has bionic arms--Jennifer doesn't know.


Mess with the Hulk, get the fists. Remember also she wanted to ignore Bruce's Jedi training as being below her so I guess she figured she was gonna take a chance on how hard she could punch a chump.
 
2022-08-19 3:47:02 PM  
My take on it is this:

Is Cap the 'clean cut' WWII type to keep his V-Card?

Absolutely.

Did he lose his V-Card *only* after going back in time to reunite with Peggy - most likely on his wedding night?

Most likely.

...and NOT to the USO girl?

Nope, and here's why.  Steve was used to being bullied and heckled for a LOT of crap pre-serum and even some after, especially when around Stark, Quill, and Thor.

Odds are pretty good he made up the story of the USO girl (off camera, of course) to shut the guys up and assumed that since it was pretty common practice, they would buy it and let it be.

Banner, being within earshot, took it as truth as well and perpetuated the rumor when Jen pressed the issue.

Why do I think that?

Look at how guarded Steve was about Peggy's info when the Falcon asked about her at the shield transfer in Endgame.  He is totally not a "kiss and tell" kind of guy.
 
2022-08-19 3:56:59 PM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: My take on it is this:

Is Cap the 'clean cut' WWII type to keep his V-Card?

Absolutely.

Did he lose his V-Card *only* after going back in time to reunite with Peggy - most likely on his wedding night?

Most likely.

...and NOT to the USO girl?

Nope, and here's why.  Steve was used to being bullied and heckled for a LOT of crap pre-serum and even some after, especially when around Stark, Quill, and Thor.

Odds are pretty good he made up the story of the USO girl (off camera, of course) to shut the guys up and assumed that since it was pretty common practice, they would buy it and let it be.

Banner, being within earshot, took it as truth as well and perpetuated the rumor when Jen pressed the issue.

Why do I think that?

Look at how guarded Steve was about Peggy's info when the Falcon asked about her at the shield transfer in Endgame.  He is totally not a "kiss and tell" kind of guy.


All of this stuff is being made up as they go along, and it really doesn't matter if Steve made out with a USO girl before he hooked up with Peggy or not. Besides, we all know his first and favorite sex partner was Bucky.
 
2022-08-19 4:03:28 PM  

shoegaze99: RyansPrivates: Ms. Marvel was farking gem of a show. Unabashedly loved it and it wasn't even "made for me". It's just a good, fun story. You can tell the star of the show really loved the character (she was a fan of it and even cosplayed as her).

Agree wholeheartedly. I didn't expect to like it, knowing the target demographic and having no real experience with or attachment to the character, but ended up enjoying it. And in fact, liked the family stuff WAY more than the superhero aspects.

The lead actress was an absolute delight and super charming, and the supporting cast (especially the dad!) were warm and likeable. I even grew to like the mom.

The super parts of the show were kind of meh, but the cast and family dynamic was sweet and likeable, and again, I really loved how witty and fun the lead was. She's great. Hard to believe she's never acted before.

We sometimes forget to take something for what it is rather than for what we wish it was. Approaching Ms. Marvel with the former attitude is the right idea.


Absolutely. I think Marvel needs to "think smaller" on its shows and movies going forward. The movies up until now were large threats (with the possible exception of Civil War, one their best movies). I found Dr. Strange offputtingly over-convoluted (in spite of the fact that I am 100% caught up on the Marvel stuff (including TV stuff). I haven't seen Thor for that reason; I'm not in the mood for some other huge galactic threat.

While Ms. Marvel was (ostensibly) about preventing a big thing, it was in the context of her family (and found family). I may be the only person who really liked Hawkeye. I liked it for similar reasons: it was focused on a very small and person thing.

The hope is that with the former Netflix shows (Daredevil et al), maybe Marvel can dial things back a bit. Doesn't need to be "street level gritty" like those shows were, but also doesn't need to be galactically ambitious.
 
2022-08-19 4:14:26 PM  

RyansPrivates: I may be the only person who really liked Hawkeye. I liked it for similar reasons: it was focused on a very small and person thing.


There's at least two of us. Of the D+ shows so far, Hawkeye is still my favorite one.

I liked the low stakes. I liked it being street level. I liked the personal struggles (aging for Clint, living up to expectations for Kate, family for both). I liked that it was fun. I liked exploring the "normal" side of Clint's life as an Avenger. And Hailee Steinfeld was an absolute farking delight who stole every scene she was in.

I'm a big, big Daredevil fan, even have a complete run of the comic from issue #1 to current, and as much as I absolutely LOVED the Netflix series -- I can't say enough good things about it -- I don't stand with the fans who are dreading the idea that Disney might do a milder take on the character when they do their series. I'm totally okay with that.

For example, after years and years of grit and tragedy and blood and darkness, Mark Waid's light-hearted run on the comic was a breath of fresh air and exactly what the character needed.

I'll happily take more Netflix grit -- again, I loved it -- but if D+ takes the Waid approach, I'll be happy with that, too. Daredevil can be both. (People forget that until Frank Miller got his hands on him, he was a swashbucking hero.)

Anyway, as to your overall point, we're on the same page. World-ending threats get wearisome. Sometimes I just want to spend time with these characters in the real world.

The Winter Solider is probably still my favorite MCU movie, and my least favorite part of it is the idea of Helicarriers killing millions. The threat of a government infiltration (or hell, just the idea of Cap being a fugitive) was more than enough for me.
 
2022-08-19 4:19:52 PM  

shoegaze99: RyansPrivates: I may be the only person who really liked Hawkeye. I liked it for similar reasons: it was focused on a very small and person thing.

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I'm a big, big Daredevil fan, even have a complete run of the comic from issue #1 to current, and as much as I absolutely LOVED the Netflix series -- I can't say enough good things about it -- I don't stand with the fans who are dreading the idea that Disney might do a milder take on the character when they do their series. I'm totally okay with that.

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Unpopular opinion time, but since the TMNT, canonically, were created from the same spill that made DD, I would love to see that franchise rebooted at the same time (yes, again) and feature crossovers since they effectively live in the same neighborhood.
 
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