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(Axios)   Cities hope residents don't say yikes to e-bikes   (axios.com) divider line
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722 clicks; posted to STEM » on 19 Aug 2022 at 9:49 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2022-08-19 9:32:40 AM  
I've been toying with taking the bike to work (good mountain bike) but the only thing stopping me is there is no place to shower once getting there other than a nice gym where the membership is something like $55 not including the tax or intro fee.  Doing that three days a week would save me ~$40 a month in gas so it is close (at least on the month charge).
 
2022-08-19 10:00:42 AM  
I wouldn't mind an e-bike, but I'm not sure where to ride it.   Too slow for the roads, too fast for the path.
 
2022-08-19 10:03:26 AM  
For this to actually work, their police will have to start taking bike theft seriously. Incentives and bike lanes and infrastructure are all great, but don't mean shiat when you come out of work and your bike is gone.
 
2022-08-19 10:07:04 AM  

UberDave: I've been toying with taking the bike to work (good mountain bike) but the only thing stopping me is there is no place to shower once getting there other than a nice gym where the membership is something like $55 not including the tax or intro fee.  Doing that three days a week would save me ~$40 a month in gas so it is close (at least on the month charge).


My work has showers, so I have no excuse.

Im just lazy and don't get out of the house on time.  I need to stop being so lazy and just make myself do it.
 
2022-08-19 10:19:02 AM  

wingedkat: I wouldn't mind an e-bike, but I'm not sure where to ride it.   Too slow for the roads, too fast for the path.


I bought one, its great for getting to the train.

However i live in a commuter town. Its about a 15 minute walk, and i'll usually walk, but it sucks on a really hot or cold day, especially if you are in a suit or whatever. Now i can just cruise on to it without breaking a sweat.

The issue though is in congested spaces, these things can move, and do some damage if you hit a person. Its not that you can't get going that fast on a regular bike, its just its a lot easier too on an ebike, and also to  be a lot less focused when you do it.

Registration\insurance and treating them like a moped would seem like the logical step, but it would be pretty damn hard to enforce, or catch the guy that plowed into you, and then scooted on off.
 
2022-08-19 10:19:45 AM  
Best part is, after a few months, the city can just dredge its local rivers and re-use/re-sell the bikes all over again!
 
2022-08-19 11:36:55 AM  
I WAS 1000% pro e-bike. But, being in a rich, beach side community is swiftly changing my mind. There is a decent percentage of e-bike riders who are bound and determined to ruin it for everyone. And they will. Does anyone doubt we have registration, insurance, helmet laws,even more output restrictions, age restrictions etc, coming and coming soon? The narrative of "more accidents, and more severe accidents" is already starting up and the insurance boys smell $$$$. AND people are assholes on their fancy scooters.
 
2022-08-19 11:45:44 AM  
There's a RV park near my house (Tucson, so of course there is).  Tucson among other things has a terrific bicycle infrastructure so as such the retirees in the park like them to get around.  On the whole, they have been better in terms of respecting traffic rules and not going uncomfortably fast than the hardcore cyclists in town.
 
2022-08-19 11:48:59 AM  

Myk-House of El: There's a RV park near my house (Tucson, so of course there is).  Tucson among other things has a terrific bicycle infrastructure so as such the retirees in the park like them to get around.  On the whole, they have been better in terms of respecting traffic rules and not going uncomfortably fast than the hardcore cyclists in town.


The seniors are basically traffic cones for the kids here.
 
2022-08-19 1:21:16 PM  
I can't see this working in most of the US outside of urban areas. We have already stigmatized bike riding for transportation as something undesirable. Note, I am not talking about bike riding for exercise. Currently, vehicle-less are one step above the homeless in undesirability. You might notice all the homeless hostile architecture like public benches and tables that are comfortable for sitting, but horrible for sleeping. That is by design to keep away the homeless.

Where I live, I rarely see sidewalks. If you do not have a vehicle, it is virtually impossible to get around. This is also by design. If someone doesn't own a vehicle, it is most likely for financial reasons. In the suburbs, the road infrastructure and low quality public transportation options are telling cyclists, "If you can't afford a vehicle, please don't come here. We don't want you."

My suburban country has hundreds of miles of bike trails that are great for exercise, but they are horrible as a means of transportation. Again, this is by design.
 
2022-08-19 1:24:58 PM  

LineNoise: wingedkat: I wouldn't mind an e-bike, but I'm not sure where to ride it.   Too slow for the roads, too fast for the path.

I bought one, its great for getting to the train.

However i live in a commuter town. Its about a 15 minute walk, and i'll usually walk, but it sucks on a really hot or cold day, especially if you are in a suit or whatever. Now i can just cruise on to it without breaking a sweat.

The issue though is in congested spaces, these things can move, and do some damage if you hit a person. Its not that you can't get going that fast on a regular bike, its just its a lot easier too on an ebike, and also to  be a lot less focused when you do it.

Registration\insurance and treating them like a moped would seem like the logical step, but it would be pretty damn hard to enforce, or catch the guy that plowed into you, and then scooted on off.


Why would it be hard to enforce?  Are there difficulties with registration/insurance of mopeds and scooters?

For that matter, does being electric rather than gas powered make them *NOT* mopeds?  

These things run up to 28 MPH, and are frequently used in traffic.  When you're running at almost 30 MPH and a car makes an illegal left in front of you, the laws of physics aren't going to say "Oh, that's not a motorcycle!  You're fine!"  That seems to be getting into motorcycle-gear territory.  

That's what will do these things in.  A minor mistake while driving a car, even some insta-crush little hatchback, is a dented fender and a call to the insurance company.  On two wheels, it's an ER visit, it's metal rods and pins in bones, it's scarring from road rash, it's nerve damage to arms. Now, add in the fact that people who use these are going to be toward the broke end of the socioeconomic spectrum.  shiatty or no medical insurance, leading to hospital losses are going to get the attention of regulators in a hurry.
 
2022-08-19 2:01:10 PM  

Myk-House of El: There's a RV park near my house (Tucson, so of course there is).  Tucson among other things has a terrific bicycle infrastructure so as such the retirees in the park like them to get around.  On the whole, they have been better in terms of respecting traffic rules and not going uncomfortably fast than the hardcore cyclists in town.


I try and ride my ebike into work at least three times a week. Considering parking here costs $26 per day the financial incentive is pretty great. My route is pretty well populated by a mix of ebikes and regular bikes all going about the same speed, with the exception of the big hills when ebikes moderately reduce speed and regular bikes crawl. So far in two years of commuting this way I've yet to see any confrontations or poor feelings between regular and ebike riders. I think a big part of it is that the ebike riders tend to be families and ride with kids and groceries, so speeds over 15mph are rare, even if the bikes are capable of 22 or 28mph.
 
2022-08-19 3:08:01 PM  
I would occasionally bike to the office before I worked from home.  It was a pleasant ~1.25 hour ride on my slow mountain bike, nearly all on trails.  I would usually bike home one day, and back to work the next so it wasn't a huge tax on my time.  We had a (single) shower at work, which was the one sticking point since multiple people would bike when it was nice out.

An ebike would probably halve the time and energy required.  I would do it more often if I had one.
 
2022-08-19 8:44:16 PM  

UberDave: I've been toying with taking the bike to work (good mountain bike) but the only thing stopping me is there is no place to shower


Shower before work and use baby wipes to clean yourself off when you get there. I get a box at Costco and it lasts years.
 
2022-08-19 10:56:46 PM  
I'm pretty tempted to get a Cake e-motor bike. There are a lot of places within 5 miles of me that while I could cycle, in the summer I'd end up being a hot mess.

The only thing holding me back is that they're a tad pricey starting at $4,200. Maybe there will be a holiday sale.
 
2022-08-19 11:44:03 PM  

thornhill: I'm pretty tempted to get a Cake e-motor bike. There are a lot of places within 5 miles of me that while I could cycle, in the summer I'd end up being a hot mess.

The only thing holding me back is that they're a tad pricey starting at $4,200. Maybe there will be a holiday sale.


The nice ones cost as much as a decent motorcycle, yet one dude can literally pick one up and run away with it. So, it's got the same limitations as an expensive pedal bike, you can't really let it out of your sight. You'd still need a beater to go to the bars or whatever.
 
2022-08-20 12:01:32 AM  

drewogatory: thornhill: I'm pretty tempted to get a Cake e-motor bike. There are a lot of places within 5 miles of me that while I could cycle, in the summer I'd end up being a hot mess.

The only thing holding me back is that they're a tad pricey starting at $4,200. Maybe there will be a holiday sale.

The nice ones cost as much as a decent motorcycle, yet one dude can literally pick one up and run away with it. So, it's got the same limitations as an expensive pedal bike, you can't really let it out of your sight. You'd still need a beater to go to the bars or whatever.


Eh, I'd travel with a 7/16" chain. I doubt many people have the required bolt cutter to break it, and even if they did, it still takes some strength.
 
2022-08-20 11:26:35 AM  

thornhill: drewogatory: thornhill: I'm pretty tempted to get a Cake e-motor bike. There are a lot of places within 5 miles of me that while I could cycle, in the summer I'd end up being a hot mess.

The only thing holding me back is that they're a tad pricey starting at $4,200. Maybe there will be a holiday sale.

The nice ones cost as much as a decent motorcycle, yet one dude can literally pick one up and run away with it. So, it's got the same limitations as an expensive pedal bike, you can't really let it out of your sight. You'd still need a beater to go to the bars or whatever.

Eh, I'd travel with a 7/16" chain. I doubt many people have the required bolt cutter to break it, and even if they did, it still takes some strength.


LOL, 2lbs a foot.  Anyway, some random chain facts for no reason:

The inside length ("grip" or pitch) of one link is 4 wire diameters.
The outside length of one link is 6 wire-diameters.
The outside width of one link is 3.56 wire-diameters.
The gauge-test length is the outside length over 6 links and equals 26 wire-diameters.
The weight of one link is about 3-1/3 times its wire diameter cubed.
Doubling the wire-diameter of one link multiplies its weight by 8.
The weight of 1 linear foot of chain is 10 times its wire-diameter squared.
The length of a standard "shot" = 15 fathoms = 90 ft. = 1080".
The weight of a 90 ft. shot = 900 times its wire-diameter squared.
Doubling the wire-diameter of a 90 ft. shot multiplies its weight by 4.
Doubling the size of a chain theoretically multiplies its strength by 4; in practice, by a trifle less than 4.
The safe working load of chain is ordinarily assumed as one half the proof test.
 
2022-08-20 6:48:32 PM  
Cool idea, but it is too bloody hot in this city for biking to ever be a primary transport method.
 
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