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2022-08-19 9:23:10 AM  
Abbott belongs in a Dickenson book.
Then the book burned.
 
2022-08-19 7:33:10 PM  
Apparently, this kid has no failure to communicate. That's a good thing.

Greg "Sunlight Gardner" Abbott needs to have the error of his ways explained to him.
 
2022-08-19 7:34:53 PM  
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2022-08-19 7:37:55 PM  
What a giant aholehe has farked over kids, women immigrants. Someone should roll hiss ass into traffic.
 
2022-08-19 7:40:57 PM  

groppet: What a giant aholehe has farked over kids, women immigrants. Someone should roll hiss ass into traffic.


I wish, just once, that such people could be forced to experience the memories of those that they've wronged. If they can't pretend to empathy, if they won't drink from the trough of humanity after being led to it, then it would be nice to just hold their heads under, metaphorically speaking, until they're forced to realize the harm that they cause to the world, through the eyes, ears, hearts, and minds of those that they've harmed.

But, while I'm dreaming, I'd also like a pony.
 
2022-08-19 7:41:06 PM  
D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.
 
2022-08-19 7:43:38 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [Fark user image 850x849]


OH, look. The anarchy community has chimed in.

LOL, "self governance".
 
2022-08-19 7:43:42 PM  

Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.


Not just skin color, but jurisdiction. It's not like Texas hasn't always been a hellhole for the incarcerated, or a running cash register for those who accept the incarcerated - but, kids? Really?! I mean, FFS, what kind of humanity does this to mentally ill children?
 
2022-08-19 7:44:54 PM  
Yep, sounds like a third world shiathole alright.
 
2022-08-19 7:45:34 PM  

Mikey1969: anarchy


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2022-08-19 7:48:50 PM  
Abbot's fault?  I guarantee you, he's never even met this girl.  Her parents on the other hand have known her since the day she was born. (Or at least one of them has)

I'd say they shoulder more of the responsibility for her ending up in juvie than Abbot does
 
2022-08-19 7:51:27 PM  
Christ, I don't want to read this. I already know what is coming.

*click*
 
2022-08-19 7:51:32 PM  

Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.


I whole-heartedly recommend using a properly-trained restraint (Mandt System is what I personally know) in the event of immediate harm happening to somebody (either themselves or others), I'm just trying to fathom why being kicked for their trouble results in such a heavy penalty for the individual. This is a guard, getting kicked is part of the job.
 
2022-08-19 7:53:11 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [Fark user image 850x849]


That would do a lot to reduce the problem, but to pretend that there are NOT irredeemably broken, evil people who will not stop harming others at anything less than gunpoint is a fantasy to the point of being delusion.

Forget penny ante street drug dealers... Do you think the Trumps, the Mercers, the Sacklers, the Murdochs of the world, would agree to stop being evil if only they were shown some compassion? The Sinaloas?
 
2022-08-19 7:53:47 PM  
nicholas m schumacher:

Assaulting people isn't ok.  Even if you're already incarcerated for something else
 
2022-08-19 7:56:10 PM  

erik-k: Bith Set Me Up: [Fark user image 850x849]

That would do a lot to reduce the problem, but to pretend that there are NOT irredeemably broken, evil people who will not stop harming others at anything less than gunpoint is a fantasy to the point of being delusion.

Forget penny ante street drug dealers... Do you think the Trumps, the Mercers, the Sacklers, the Murdochs of the world, would agree to stop being evil if only they were shown some compassion? The Sinaloas?


Way to miss the point.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/15/republicans-are-hypocrites-they-happily-de-funded-the-police-we-actually-need
 
2022-08-19 7:56:13 PM  
"In a statement, Abbott's press secretary, Renae Eze, insisted the safety and security of staff and youth at these facilities were a "top priority" for the governor, and denied any negative impact on the agency from his budget moves. She also argued the governor was committed to reform and greater transparency, that funds were being or had already been restored in some cases, and that Abbott backed raising salaries to improve staffing-albeit during the next legislative session in 2023. " flat ass lied about the obvious and expected everyone to politely play along as it would be ever so rude to call her out.

FTFY, article...
 
2022-08-19 8:12:41 PM  
She had already been in and out of the juvenile justice system since age 10 after being accused of stealing and multiple alleged instances of assault, including on public officers or employees.

Sounds like this situation is entirely Greg Abbott's fault.
 
2022-08-19 8:13:45 PM  
Come on, Beto.  I look forward to the day when I can roll down the highway of life and see Abbott rolling behind in the rear view mirror.
 
2022-08-19 8:17:42 PM  
I can think of about 50 ways to react after being kicked by a 12 year old girl.

Filing charges, and testifying against her in court is not one of them.
 
2022-08-19 8:21:26 PM  
FYI: There is a horrifying Behind the Bastards podcast series on the Texas Juvenile penal system.
 
2022-08-19 8:25:59 PM  

Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.


That five-year sentence jumps off the page. Holy. Farking. Shiat.
 
2022-08-19 8:27:45 PM  
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2022-08-19 8:28:41 PM  

El_Dan: She had already been in and out of the juvenile justice system since age 10 after being accused of stealing and multiple alleged instances of assault, including on public officers or employees.

Sounds like this situation is entirely Greg Abbott's fault.


If you are the Governor of a state putting 10 year-olds in the Justice System because they assault police officers (who wear body armor) with their tiny 10 year old fists, then you certainly aren't part of the solution here.

And that goes for the rest of you! *points to the other 49 state governors*
 
2022-08-19 8:33:38 PM  

El_Dan: She had already been in and out of the juvenile justice system since age 10 after being accused of stealing and multiple alleged instances of assault, including on public officers or employees.

Sounds like this situation is entirely Greg Abbott's fault.


If you think the correct way to punish a tween for stealing and hitting is to put them in jail, then yes, you are entirely at fault, and if Greg Abbott champions that, he needs to be locked up on child abuse charges. Appropriate consequences at that age involve getting more adult attention for the kid, teaching them about right and wrong, and grounding them for a while. Not jail.
 
2022-08-19 8:34:34 PM  
Texas is a shiat state where the majority of people are loathsome maggots.  Yup, what's wrong with Texas is the majority of Texans.   The majority of Texans keep reelecting these sub-100 IQ Nazis.  Fark Texas and fark Texans.
 
2022-08-19 8:36:41 PM  

FormlessOne: Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.

Not just skin color, but jurisdiction. It's not like Texas hasn't always been a hellhole for the incarcerated, or a running cash register for those who accept the incarcerated - but, kids? Really?! I mean, FFS, what kind of humanity does this to mentally ill children?


Just about every state I know of.

I mean, this is Texas...but peer deep into the bowels of just about every juvenile "justice" system, and you'll see pretty much the same things everywhere.

I'm not letting Texas off the hook. I'm putting everyone else on it with them.
 
2022-08-19 8:39:08 PM  

FormlessOne: groppet: What a giant aholehe has farked over kids, women immigrants. Someone should roll hiss ass into traffic.

I wish, just once, that such people could be forced to experience the memories of those that they've wronged. If they can't pretend to empathy, if they won't drink from the trough of humanity after being led to it, then it would be nice to just hold their heads under, metaphorically speaking, until they're forced to realize the harm that they cause to the world, through the eyes, ears, hearts, and minds of those that they've harmed.

But, while I'm dreaming, I'd also like a pony.


Unfortunately it only happens in movies:
Christmas Comes Back
Youtube uJs-h6JEE00
 
2022-08-19 8:41:01 PM  

groppet: What a giant aholehe has farked over kids, women immigrants. Someone should roll hiss ass into traffic.


Just take him to a football game:

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2022-08-19 8:43:45 PM  
"The risk that we are most concerned about is a serious assault of a staff, serious assault of a youth, or a potential completed suicide," she said at a recent hearing of the Texas Juvenile Justice & Family Issues Committee.

Interesting that the first thing listed isn't injured or dead kids
 
2022-08-19 8:48:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: FormlessOne: Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.

Not just skin color, but jurisdiction. It's not like Texas hasn't always been a hellhole for the incarcerated, or a running cash register for those who accept the incarcerated - but, kids? Really?! I mean, FFS, what kind of humanity does this to mentally ill children?

Just about every state I know of.

I mean, this is Texas...but peer deep into the bowels of just about every juvenile "justice" system, and you'll see pretty much the same things everywhere.

I'm not letting Texas off the hook. I'm putting everyone else on it with them.


Yes, I do agree, while the article in question does make this about Texas' utter contempt for children cause it's convenient and cheaper than less disrupting alternatives. Every state, no matter the political inclinations of those in charge, are guilty to varying degrees of the very same thing. And I would personally argue that all correctional institutions in America have horrible rot and injustice within their very core: from municipal jails to federal prisons. Again, because it's more convenient and cheaper to let those that not advocate for themselves fall through the cracks.

That said, Greg Abbot fucking loves hurting children.
 
2022-08-19 8:50:59 PM  

Gyrfalcon: FormlessOne: Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.

Not just skin color, but jurisdiction. It's not like Texas hasn't always been a hellhole for the incarcerated, or a running cash register for those who accept the incarcerated - but, kids? Really?! I mean, FFS, what kind of humanity does this to mentally ill children?

Just about every state I know of.

I mean, this is Texas...but peer deep into the bowels of just about every juvenile "justice" system, and you'll see pretty much the same things everywhere.

I'm not letting Texas off the hook. I'm putting everyone else on it with them.


This.


In some states, a parent can have a child, who has never broken a law, incarcerated simply by going before a judge and stating that the child is out of control and that the parent is unable to control the child. Newt Gingrich had a broken clock is right twice a day moment when he called for lavishly funded orphanages. People were outraged and the media was full of declarations that children deserve families, not orphanages! Those well-meaning people failed to realize that America is already packed with orphanages. They're called Youth Detention Centers. The kids trapped in a YDC would prefer Annie's hard knock life any day of the week. Certainly, lavishly funded orphanages (with generous, science based mental health care) would be huge, huge improvements over the way we currently treat too many kids.
 
2022-08-19 9:06:36 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: erik-k: Bith Set Me Up: [Fark user image 850x849]

That would do a lot to reduce the problem, but to pretend that there are NOT irredeemably broken, evil people who will not stop harming others at anything less than gunpoint is a fantasy to the point of being delusion.

Forget penny ante street drug dealers... Do you think the Trumps, the Mercers, the Sacklers, the Murdochs of the world, would agree to stop being evil if only they were shown some compassion? The Sinaloas?

Way to miss the point.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/15/republicans-are-hypocrites-they-happily-de-funded-the-police-we-actually-need


The point which just moved from "zero police" to "defunding the police we actually need?"

I'll let someone else play the "all police is the devil, except when they do things we need done" definition game and the "stop saying the words I wrote have meanings" game. I'm not feeling like it.
 
2022-08-19 9:49:19 PM  

It'sMorphin'Time: El_Dan: She had already been in and out of the juvenile justice system since age 10 after being accused of stealing and multiple alleged instances of assault, including on public officers or employees.

Sounds like this situation is entirely Greg Abbott's fault.

If you think the correct way to punish a tween for stealing and hitting is to put them in jail, then yes, you are entirely at fault, and if Greg Abbott champions that, he needs to be locked up on child abuse charges. Appropriate consequences at that age involve getting more adult attention for the kid, teaching them about right and wrong, and grounding them for a while. Not jail.


So probably institutionalize her, and pay a team of professionals to fix whatever led the kid to be at the point of having a juvenile record for assault and stealing starting at age ten? I mean I don't disagree, but that's pretty expensive and not how it really happens even in places that are not Texas. Unless the parents can pay, of course.
 
2022-08-19 9:51:48 PM  

nicholas m schumacher: Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.

I whole-heartedly recommend using a properly-trained restraint (Mandt System is what I personally know) in the event of immediate harm happening to somebody (either themselves or others), I'm just trying to fathom why being kicked for their trouble results in such a heavy penalty for the individual. This is a guard, getting kicked is part of the job.


I am pretty sure there is more to it than that and I bet the guard is still feeling it.

Texas places even less value on guards than detainees.  Employees can't sue.
 
2022-08-19 9:54:45 PM  

El_Dan: So probably institutionalize her, and pay a team of professionals to fix whatever led the kid to be at the point of having a juvenile record for assault and stealing starting at age ten? I mean I don't disagree, but that's pretty expensive and not how it really happens even in places that are not Texas. Unless the parents can pay, of course.


Again:

nicholas m schumacher: Yes, I do agree, while the article in question does make this about Texas' utter contempt for children cause it's convenient and cheaper than less disrupting alternatives. Every state, no matter the political inclinations of those in charge, are guilty to varying degrees of the very same thing. And I would personally argue that all correctional institutions in America have horrible rot and injustice within their very core: from municipal jails to federal prisons. Again, because it's more convenient and cheaper to let those that not advocate for themselves fall through the cracks.


Sometimes you have to ask yourself, how much is mental health worth to you?
 
2022-08-19 9:58:28 PM  

El_Dan: She had already been in and out of the juvenile justice system since age 10 after being accused of stealing and multiple alleged instances of assault, including on public officers or employees.

Sounds like this situation is entirely Greg Abbott's fault.


Oh boo hoo hoo. A 12-year old girl kicked a cop while she was trying to commit suicide. And apparently the system decided the best way to handle that was FIVE YEARS' INCARCERATION. In a place so devoid of human contact kids stick pins in their pee holes to cause an infection so they'll have to be hospitalized. How dare she be a troubled pre-teen. That'll show her.
 
2022-08-19 9:59:04 PM  

Turbo Cojones: nicholas m schumacher: Aussie_As: D was sentenced in 2019 to five years in a state facility after kicking a guard who was trying to restrain her from self-harm, an act considered assault on a public officer.

12 year old girl kicks a guard during a restraint while experiencing a mental episode, that's five years incarceration.

Grown man willfully pepper sprays Capitol Police on Jan 6 - that's three and a half years. (and that's just the first example which popped up on the search engine.)

Wanna guess what skin colour the two examples I've used here have? Yeah, you guessed right.

I whole-heartedly recommend using a properly-trained restraint (Mandt System is what I personally know) in the event of immediate harm happening to somebody (either themselves or others), I'm just trying to fathom why being kicked for their trouble results in such a heavy penalty for the individual. This is a guard, getting kicked is part of the job.

I am pretty sure there is more to it than that and I bet the guard is still feeling it.

Texas places even less value on guards than detainees.  Employees can't sue.


I have no idea who this guard is other than what I read in the article that they came between the child and self-harm, which I commend. That said, I'll take that bet and even if you win a total fark account (or whatever you want to wager for it) still feeling the pain from a kick is *not* worth a child going to prison for 5 years where she can't even go to the bathroom when she wants and has to piss on herself, hands down.

If the problem is that Texas treats their guards worse than how they treat the people imprisoned, then I'm curious why the guards haven't unionized and advocated for themselves.
 
2022-08-19 10:14:37 PM  
Incarceration will never be about rehabilitation. Never gonna happen, no matter what lofty goals the people running the jails say. It's a human warehouse to make you miserable and get you out of the public eye for a while.

Five years for a juvenile kicking a guard trying to restrain her for her safety is BS! You signed up for that, don't be a pussy! If your going to punish her for that remove some freedoms for a while. Don't add more time making the situation worse!
 
2022-08-19 10:23:08 PM  

nicholas m schumacher: El_Dan: So probably institutionalize her, and pay a team of professionals to fix whatever led the kid to be at the point of having a juvenile record for assault and stealing starting at age ten? I mean I don't disagree, but that's pretty expensive and not how it really happens even in places that are not Texas. Unless the parents can pay, of course.

Again:

nicholas m schumacher: Yes, I do agree, while the article in question does make this about Texas' utter contempt for children cause it's convenient and cheaper than less disrupting alternatives. Every state, no matter the political inclinations of those in charge, are guilty to varying degrees of the very same thing. And I would personally argue that all correctional institutions in America have horrible rot and injustice within their very core: from municipal jails to federal prisons. Again, because it's more convenient and cheaper to let those that not advocate for themselves fall through the cracks.

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, how much is mental health worth to you?


Mental health care is probably worth more than most places in this country are willing to pay to provide it to the indigent, especially a kid whose behavior hit the point of generating a juvenile record starting at age ten. Very sad, also not something that can be fairly pinned on the governor of Texas specifically.
 
2022-08-19 10:31:39 PM  
Mental Health Care: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
Youtube jtIZZs-GAOA


"It's often said that correctional facilities have become the largest providers of mental health care services in our country. Basically, we've gone from warehousing people with mental illness in buildings that felt like prisons, to warehousing them in actual prisons instead. It's very much the 'new look, same great taste' of America's failures."
 
2022-08-19 10:35:25 PM  

El_Dan: nicholas m schumacher: El_Dan: So probably institutionalize her, and pay a team of professionals to fix whatever led the kid to be at the point of having a juvenile record for assault and stealing starting at age ten? I mean I don't disagree, but that's pretty expensive and not how it really happens even in places that are not Texas. Unless the parents can pay, of course.

Again:

nicholas m schumacher: Yes, I do agree, while the article in question does make this about Texas' utter contempt for children cause it's convenient and cheaper than less disrupting alternatives. Every state, no matter the political inclinations of those in charge, are guilty to varying degrees of the very same thing. And I would personally argue that all correctional institutions in America have horrible rot and injustice within their very core: from municipal jails to federal prisons. Again, because it's more convenient and cheaper to let those that not advocate for themselves fall through the cracks.

Sometimes you have to ask yourself, how much is mental health worth to you?

Mental health care is probably worth more than most places in this country are willing to pay to provide it to the indigent, especially a kid whose behavior hit the point of generating a juvenile record starting at age ten. Very sad, also not something that can be fairly pinned on the governor of Texas specifically.


I understand what you are saying, but advocating for those that are in a position where they cannot advocate for themselves is what a leader should do. And if they fail to do that, be it Greg Abbott, or Laura Kelly, or Joe Biden...

"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." -some dude that got put to death by the government for crimes against the State.
 
2022-08-20 12:20:13 AM  
I take these situations with a healthy grain of salt from both sides, because I actually know the shiat that goes on.  For every abusive and petty guard, there is an equally abusive and exploitive patient who will tell anyone within earshot how being restrained after violently attacking someone was like being nailed to a cross as Jesus.

The urination story in this article raises my skepticism, as bathroom trips are an exploitable system.  Everyone knows that people will have to go to the bathroom.  If you're on lockdown...it becomes a game to escape lockdown by taking frequent bathroom trips.

There is no indication that the urination episode did not occur after multiple other 'fake' trips.
 
2022-08-20 6:48:02 AM  

FormlessOne: Apparently, this kid has no failure to communicate. That's a good thing.

Greg "Sunlight Gardner" Abbott needs to have the error of his ways explained to him.


Awesome reference. Loved that book.
 
2022-08-20 10:11:23 AM  

Chainsaw Turd Elf: FYI: There is a horrifying Behind the Bastards podcast series on the Texas Juvenile penal system.


Damn. I subscribed to that podcast, but I haven't started it yet. I guess I better take a listen.
 
2022-08-20 10:25:59 AM  
Texas, showing how pro-life it really is.

/I was born and raised there.
//Not sad that I moved away.
///Hope never to live there again.
 
2022-08-20 12:39:38 PM  

El_Dan: It'sMorphin'Time: El_Dan: She had already been in and out of the juvenile justice system since age 10 after being accused of stealing and multiple alleged instances of assault, including on public officers or employees.

Sounds like this situation is entirely Greg Abbott's fault.

If you think the correct way to punish a tween for stealing and hitting is to put them in jail, then yes, you are entirely at fault, and if Greg Abbott champions that, he needs to be locked up on child abuse charges. Appropriate consequences at that age involve getting more adult attention for the kid, teaching them about right and wrong, and grounding them for a while. Not jail.

So probably institutionalize her, and pay a team of professionals to fix whatever led the kid to be at the point of having a juvenile record for assault and stealing starting at age ten? I mean I don't disagree, but that's pretty expensive and not how it really happens even in places that are not Texas. Unless the parents can pay, of course.


Have you ever met a kid? They aren't pretty little angels--some of them, especially the mentally ill ones, do bad things. She needs outpatient therapy and probably medication, yes, but mostly she needs more adults, more love, and a lot more explanation about why we don't do those things. Institutions are for adults, and as a last resort.
 
2022-08-20 1:54:52 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: I take these situations with a healthy grain of salt from both sides, because I actually know the shiat that goes on.  For every abusive and petty guard, there is an equally abusive and exploitive patient who will tell anyone within earshot how being restrained after violently attacking someone was like being nailed to a cross as Jesus.

The urination story in this article raises my skepticism, as bathroom trips are an exploitable system.  Everyone knows that people will have to go to the bathroom.  If you're on lockdown...it becomes a game to escape lockdown by taking frequent bathroom trips.

There is no indication that the urination episode did not occur after multiple other 'fake' trips.


When you're talking about a child, there is zero excuse for not letting them out. Kids should not be in lockdown. Sorry. I've seen kids in locked wards in walking restraints, and there is NO reason a child should be in any kind of lockdown situation no matter how "violent" they get.

Justifying keeping kids in solitary by claiming they're violent and exploitative is a revolting commentary on how much we need to assure ourselves we're not doing anything wrong.
 
2022-08-21 11:39:45 AM  

It'sMorphin'Time: El_Dan: It'sMorphin'Time: El_Dan: She had already been in and out of the juvenile justice system since age 10 after being accused of stealing and multiple alleged instances of assault, including on public officers or employees.

Sounds like this situation is entirely Greg Abbott's fault.

If you think the correct way to punish a tween for stealing and hitting is to put them in jail, then yes, you are entirely at fault, and if Greg Abbott champions that, he needs to be locked up on child abuse charges. Appropriate consequences at that age involve getting more adult attention for the kid, teaching them about right and wrong, and grounding them for a while. Not jail.

So probably institutionalize her, and pay a team of professionals to fix whatever led the kid to be at the point of having a juvenile record for assault and stealing starting at age ten? I mean I don't disagree, but that's pretty expensive and not how it really happens even in places that are not Texas. Unless the parents can pay, of course.

Have you ever met a kid? They aren't pretty little angels--some of them, especially the mentally ill ones, do bad things. She needs outpatient therapy and probably medication, yes, but mostly she needs more adults, more love, and a lot more explanation about why we don't do those things. Institutions are for adults, and as a last resort.


I've actually met many kids who didn't have juvenile records starting at age ten. JFC what is wrong with people on this site.
 
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