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(Axios)   CDC investigates themselves and their COVID response and finds....they have "deep cultural problems"?   (axios.com) divider line
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2022-08-19 7:32:35 AM  
"Please wear a condom, or this might happen."

-CDC

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2022-08-19 7:34:43 AM  
Like so many other departments, Trump tried to break the CDC for the mere fact that Obama bolstered it in preparation for an as yet unknown global health crisis.
 
2022-08-19 7:35:06 AM  
And almost none of those problems are the things farkers will complain about.

Here's a dilemma they face that few appreciate. They are charged with serving public health needs. This can, and recently has, including attempting to reach scientific conclusions about fast moving diseases in a rapidly changing landscape with largely uncontrolled and incomplete data. They are charged with passing on the science to medical professionals, including practicing front line health care workers, and government public health professionals. These two distinctly different objectives are to help with direct patient care, and to help with public policy and response. On a third tier, they also try to make some information available to the public.

As part of passing on information, they do make recommendations. Here's a problem: they will face resistance.
Here's another problem: what if they think wearing masks would be a good thing but there aren't even enough masks for those most at risk --- those treating patients who are sick? Tell me their mission respective to public health. If they calculate that the best public policy is to first provide for front-line health care workers so that we don't completely lose our ability to care for the sick, how do they communicate that to a public that won't respect such a view but will consume and hoard the supply of masks?

How do they deal with other issues where one can reliably predict that the public at large will not comply with their recommendations? Do they thread the needle based on estimates of what the public is willing to do? for example respective to at-home isolation?

People can't even agree about what their role is, much less if they interpreted fast moving data correctly.
 
2022-08-19 7:43:23 AM  
It seems they knew their role and structure fine until 2020.  Then the "culture" that invaded the CDC seemed to be fungal in nature, and corroded the scope and purpose of the whole organization.
 
2022-08-19 7:43:31 AM  
They should just limit themselves to speaking publicly once a month, They'd contradict themselves a lot less.
 
2022-08-19 7:45:59 AM  
The worst part of all this is the anti vaxx jackoffs will loudly and endlessly proclaim it as "proof" that the coronavirus response was done to destroy America because liberals hated Trump so much.\

CDC's only problem was they didn't tell Trump to step off the first time he interrupted one of their daily briefings.

That and Dr. Faucci should be awarded on free kick into the Donald's shriveled gonads.
 
2022-08-19 7:46:05 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Like so many other departments, Trump tried to break the CDC for the mere fact that Obama bolstered it in preparation for an as yet unknown global health crisis.


And no mention of of any of this in the article. A mention of problems with the Biden administration? Sounds like a cover up to me.
 
2022-08-19 7:49:52 AM  
A review could only be done under the Biden administration after Trump farked it up.
 
2022-08-19 7:51:18 AM  
recognizing and admitting there are problems in your organization is the first step to solving them.

The report isn't a bug, it's a feature.
 
2022-08-19 7:55:41 AM  
They also need to have an actual communications department that knows how to communicate. I appreciate the science aspect of things and the fact that they're policy wonks, but getting people to understand their policies was absolute crap and caused distrust.
 
2022-08-19 7:59:14 AM  
They did have a pattern of poor communication leading a lot of confusion.  While it was a constantly changing situation, they easily could have communicated it better.  In simple terms, sometimes the light green and you can go.  Sometimes the light is red and you need to stop.  There are situations where the light is yellow which means you can go, but carefully.  And sometimes the bus will mount the curb and run you over regardless of what color the light is, so take a little responsibility for your own safety in all this.
 
2022-08-19 8:01:01 AM  
When the CDC says they are plagued by an issue...

That it spread like a virus through the agency...

You can't trust them because their culture sucks.
 
2022-08-19 8:02:18 AM  
That's a more honest outcome then most law enforcement reviews of themselves.
 
2022-08-19 8:02:57 AM  
 
2022-08-19 8:07:08 AM  

mrwknd: A review could only be done under the Biden administration after Trump farked it up.


As the report indicates, one of their problems is that they existed in a rather rigid departmental structure. This means that they were not prepared to mobilize into a dynamic, problem solving organization with budget flexibility. The group that worked on developing testing supplies had to adapt very rapidly to a new threat but they did so in their silo. The same happened in other groups. This was not TFG's doing. This sort of thing is systemic throughout Federal agencies. It is a consequence of how these agencies group given how Washington keeps bouncing between administrations that ask they to adapt to a modern and changing world, versus administrations that start cutting their funding and cutting back on what they see as mission creep.

The report will describe a way to structure a department like the CDC which has the flexibility to rapidly adapt to challenges like the covid19 epidemic. The challenge is far more than the specific meddling incompetence of TFG.

The solution requires an adjusted understanding of the mission of the CDC, and then a plan to reorganize with that mission in mind. That plan needs to be crafted by people who have knowledge of the ways that governmental institutions tend to evolve to serve the institution rather than the mission of the institution. And while this will horrify the GQP, it has to include cultivation of significant human resources to build and preserve institutional knowledge.
 
2022-08-19 8:09:55 AM  
TFA: The CDC also has insufficient authority and tools to obtain data from local governments and health care providers and to analyze it, the individuals said.

That's actually the scariest part for me. That the effing CDC doesn't even have the authority to demand Red states' data on the statistics required to actually formulate advice properly.

I honestly thought that there would be that kind of authority 'baked-in' to policy regarding what should happen  during a pandemic scenario.

/tanks, TFG.
 
2022-08-19 8:10:41 AM  
One of the complaints mentioned (rigid budgetary structure preventing timely reallocation of funds) is a real problem in almost all government work.  Its also absolutely farking stupid.  The money almost ALWAYS comes from the exact same place, yet XYZ must be spent on item A and DEF must be spent on item B... even though the relevance of either might have changed or a brand new item C came on the block and really should be addressed.  It can be incredibly frustrating and puts you in a bit of box. Do you perform the work/science that really needs to be done and kinda shoe-horn the money you have in the box you need that, in the best of light, falls just barely on the legal side of things (and in the worst of light would definitely get you in trouble with the GAO if you were audited) or do you keep things completely ship shape but miss the chance for a truly timely response? It sucks.

The communication problem with the agency is legitimate.  Some of that can be due to what Wademh mentioned: competing interests in the agencies mission have prioritization outcomes.  Others are due to the fact that the messaging was literally just not great.

There is a third reason why the messaging was so terrible: politicians and citizens were demanding hard answers for a situation in which there was not a hard known answer, it was always fluid, which forced their hand into sounding a bit more definitive than they would have liked.  What complicated this further is you had an entire political faction in the United States directly questioning the utility of ALL guidance.

Best summary for COVID advice during the entire pandemic?  Don't be a jerk to your fellow citizens and be cognizant of your own personal relative risk as well as those you expect to be around you.  Mask mandates were literally only necessary because you had a news network bleating about how stupid it was to wear masks but the best way to test for and then prevent COVID was to hold your breath and take horse paste.

Its like people complaining about absurdly specific gun laws.  If some prick didn't decide to try to bend, worm, and wiggle his way around the spirit of the law the letter of said laws wouldn't have to get so arbitrarily in the weeds.
 
2022-08-19 8:17:53 AM  

wademh: mrwknd: A review could only be done under the Biden administration after Trump farked it up.

As the report indicates, one of their problems is that they existed in a rather rigid departmental structure. This means that they were not prepared to mobilize into a dynamic, problem solving organization with budget flexibility. The group that worked on developing testing supplies had to adapt very rapidly to a new threat but they did so in their silo. The same happened in other groups. This was not TFG's doing. This sort of thing is systemic throughout Federal agencies. It is a consequence of how these agencies group given how Washington keeps bouncing between administrations that ask they to adapt to a modern and changing world, versus administrations that start cutting their funding and cutting back on what they see as mission creep....


SO MUCH THIS.  When you have a political faction which views all governmental power as over reach everything that comes down the pike is attached to highly specific agendas from which you cannot stray.  Groups get siloed with said money, which then compounds the problem.  

uttertosh: TFA: The CDC also has insufficient authority and tools to obtain data from local governments and health care providers and to analyze it, the individuals said.

That's actually the scariest part for me. That the effing CDC doesn't even have the authority to demand Red states' data on the statistics required to actually formulate advice properly.

I honestly thought that there would be that kind of authority 'baked-in' to policy regarding what should happen  during a pandemic scenario.

/tanks, TFG.


As much as he hurt the situation but not filling positions and putting crap people in positions he did fill, this isn't TFG's problem.  The CDC does not have significant regulatory teeth outside of a small department (the Select Agent program, those guys regulate the use of all the Select Agents in the country, and they have a LOT of teeth).  This is just how the agency has been structured for forever and is attributable to a variety of reasons, not least of all what Wademh mentioned above.
 
2022-08-19 8:22:19 AM  
The thing is that when reading through the bullet points, 90% of the "issues" they raise are constraints the CDC faces due to outside forces they are having to work against that limits their effectiveness. Sure things like the budget not being able to be adjusted easily are internal to them for the most part but most of those were things they do not have the authority to do or rely on outside entities to provide data and / or testing materials.
Seems like the federal government needs to give the CDC some teeth when it comes to dealing with health a crisis which the sorely lack currently.
 
2022-08-19 8:24:01 AM  

Great_Milenko: The worst part of all this is the anti vaxx jackoffs will loudly and endlessly proclaim it as "proof" that the coronavirus response was done to destroy America because liberals hated Trump so much.\

CDC's only problem was they didn't tell Trump to step off the first time he interrupted one of their daily briefings.

That and Dr. Faucci should be awarded on free kick into the Donald's shriveled gonads.


NORMAL people dont investigate their own strengths and weaknesses, then just blame trump for everything.

NORMAL people investigate their own strengths and weaknesses for an opportunity to improve.  Like the CDC did with the actions addressed in this article

people like you are the only ones who investigate themselves and have the takeaway be "blame someone else".
 
2022-08-19 8:24:53 AM  

wademh: mrwknd: A review could only be done under the Biden administration after Trump farked it up.

As the report indicates, one of their problems is that they existed in a rather rigid departmental structure. This means that they were not prepared to mobilize into a dynamic, problem solving organization with budget flexibility. The group that worked on developing testing supplies had to adapt very rapidly to a new threat but they did so in their silo. The same happened in other groups. This was not TFG's doing. This sort of thing is systemic throughout Federal agencies. It is a consequence of how these agencies group given how Washington keeps bouncing between administrations that ask they to adapt to a modern and changing world, versus administrations that start cutting their funding and cutting back on what they see as mission creep.

The report will describe a way to structure a department like the CDC which has the flexibility to rapidly adapt to challenges like the covid19 epidemic. The challenge is far more than the specific meddling incompetence of TFG.

The solution requires an adjusted understanding of the mission of the CDC, and then a plan to reorganize with that mission in mind. That plan needs to be crafted by people who have knowledge of the ways that governmental institutions tend to evolve to serve the institution rather than the mission of the institution. And while this will horrify the GQP, it has to include cultivation of significant human resources to build and preserve institutional knowledge.


That doesn't sound nearly as prepared as I would expect from the Obama administration.  Did they fire all The new guys and go back to being staffed by 1970's era goons?

No wonder the software sucked.
 
2022-08-19 8:29:15 AM  
Don't care. Staying home.
 
2022-08-19 8:30:16 AM  

killershark: They also need to have an actual communications department that knows how to communicate. I appreciate the science aspect of things and the fact that they're policy wonks, but getting people to understand their policies was absolute crap and caused distrust.


Having ~1/2 of the elected officials and right wing media immediately nay-say anything the CDC released is what caused distrust.    Not sure how you missed that part.
 
2022-08-19 8:30:56 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: The lawsuits are going to be EPIC

https://www.wbez.org/stories/northshore-to-pay-10-million-settlement-over-vaccine-mandate/9c950347-b03d-4d63-980d-a3d18d9d96cf


That's just friggin sad. You would think healthcare workers would understand about vaccines and how they work and why there were mandates. I guess not.... smh
 
2022-08-19 8:33:30 AM  
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2022-08-19 8:36:41 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: uttertosh: TFA: The CDC also has insufficient authority and tools to obtain data from local governments and health care providers and to analyze it, the individuals said.

That's actually the scariest part for me. That the effing CDC doesn't even have the authority to demand Red states' data on the statistics required to actually formulate advice properly.

I honestly thought that there would be that kind of authority 'baked-in' to policy regarding what should happen  during a pandemic scenario.

/tanks, TFG.


As much as he hurt the situation but not filling positions and putting crap people in positions he did fill, this isn't TFG's problem.  The CDC does not have significant regulatory teeth outside of a small department (the Select Agent program, those guys regulate the use of all the Select Agents in the country, and they have a LOT of teeth).  This is just how the agency has been structured for forever and is attributable to a variety of reasons, not least of all what Wademh mentioned above.


Oh, I deliberately didn't type 'thanks'. It was a super-secret esoteric forelock-tug to TFG to just go out and buy something worthy of his 2024 re-election campaign convoy. ;-P
 
2022-08-19 8:37:43 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: The lawsuits are going to be EPIC

https://www.wbez.org/stories/northshore-to-pay-10-million-settlement-over-vaccine-mandate/9c950347-b03d-4d63-980d-a3d18d9d96cf


Yay, some Americans are dumb as f*ck and get paid for it!  How come you're poor though?
 
2022-08-19 8:38:18 AM  

wademh: mrwknd: A review could only be done under the Biden administration after Trump farked it up.

As the report indicates, one of their problems is that they existed in a rather rigid departmental structure. This means that they were not prepared to mobilize into a dynamic, problem solving organization with budget flexibility. The group that worked on developing testing supplies had to adapt very rapidly to a new threat but they did so in their silo. The same happened in other groups. This was not TFG's doing. This sort of thing is systemic throughout Federal agencies. It is a consequence of how these agencies group given how Washington keeps bouncing between administrations that ask they to adapt to a modern and changing world, versus administrations that start cutting their funding and cutting back on what they see as mission creep.

The report will describe a way to structure a department like the CDC which has the flexibility to rapidly adapt to challenges like the covid19 epidemic. The challenge is far more than the specific meddling incompetence of TFG.

The solution requires an adjusted understanding of the mission of the CDC, and then a plan to reorganize with that mission in mind. That plan needs to be crafted by people who have knowledge of the ways that governmental institutions tend to evolve to serve the institution rather than the mission of the institution. And while this will horrify the GQP, it has to include cultivation of significant human resources to build and preserve institutional knowledge.


Agreed. I remember while working at an AF base, as a contractor, how they all got on the LEAN bandwagon and were requiring organizations to turn in stuff that was not commonly used. The average worker compiled but the old school guys hid things that they knew would come in handy in the future. Guess what happened, The guys that blindly turned stuff in were at work stoppages very often because a tool or a part that they needed had to be ordered while the old school guys that said "fark you" to the mandates were able to keep moving and get the job done quickly. 
All the LEAN stuff kinda disappeared within a year of the mandate coming down. Funny how that works huh.
 
2022-08-19 8:42:11 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: One of the complaints mentioned (rigid budgetary structure preventing timely reallocation of funds) is a real problem in almost all government work.  Its also absolutely farking stupid.  The money almost ALWAYS comes from the exact same place, yet XYZ must be spent on item A and DEF must be spent on item B... even though the relevance of either might have changed or a brand new item C came on the block and really should be addressed.  It can be incredibly frustrating and puts you in a bit of box.


As an aside, this sort of thing doesn't just happen with governmental agencies though they usually provide the marquee examples. Once upon a time, long ago and far away, I know of a company that had an IT department that was run by former DEC people. If you don't know what that means, it means the folks who built VAX "super computers" back in the 70s and had certain institutional ideas about how computer groups should be organized as service providers for other employees. The philosophy behind "personal computers" was foreign, alien, and sacrilegious to them. All computers were to be under their control, running the way they determined.

A group I was in wanted a Macintosh. It ran some software you couldn't get on a MS-DOS/Windows 1 PC. We had money, wrote out our PO, assigned it the right budget numbers, it was signed off by those with budget authority, and we were denied. Because IT was under finance, and the IT group declared the company to be a PC company --- no Apple, not negotiable. It became a pretty big deal but the PC fascists held firm. They even forbid us from bringing in our own personal computer and printer --- not even trying to put it on a network. Cutting through some of the drama, we eventually bought an HPLC (a bit of lab equipment) that used a Mac as a controller/data acquisition system. The IT folks tried to kill that too but we were able to invoke our own Domain of Expertise to make them back off.

The problem with all organizations is that they involve people. And some people are petty egomaniacal idiots lacking in significant talent and competency. These people tend to become managers. It takes a great deal of work to prevent their cancerous behaviors from taking over the organism that larger organizations emulate. Groups like the CDC aren't really very bad considering. The folks at the top of them usually understand these institutional challenges, at least the career scientists. The political appointees are another matter.
 
2022-08-19 8:44:12 AM  
They did an honest self assessment. Something few organizations have the will or capacity to do. Many of the problems they noted aren't unique to the CDC though and aren't really within their own power to fix.
 
2022-08-19 8:49:21 AM  
Their problem is constantly promoting anti-science bunk OVER AND OVER AND OVER throughout the entire pandemic, in part causing a lot of mistrust of departments like, well, THE CDC.

If your cultural problem is being complete shiat at your jobs, then sure.  Otherwise, piss off.
 
2022-08-19 8:53:06 AM  

Wicked Chinchilla: wademh: mrwknd: A review could only be done under the Biden administration after Trump farked it up.

As the report indicates, one of their problems is that they existed in a rather rigid departmental structure. This means that they were not prepared to mobilize into a dynamic, problem solving organization with budget flexibility. The group that worked on developing testing supplies had to adapt very rapidly to a new threat but they did so in their silo. The same happened in other groups. This was not TFG's doing. This sort of thing is systemic throughout Federal agencies. It is a consequence of how these agencies group given how Washington keeps bouncing between administrations that ask they to adapt to a modern and changing world, versus administrations that start cutting their funding and cutting back on what they see as mission creep....

SO MUCH THIS.  When you have a political faction which views all governmental power as over reach everything that comes down the pike is attached to highly specific agendas from which you cannot stray.  Groups get siloed with said money, which then compounds the problem.  uttertosh: TFA: The CDC also has insufficient authority and tools to obtain data from local governments and health care providers and to analyze it, the individuals said.

That's actually the scariest part for me. That the effing CDC doesn't even have the authority to demand Red states' data on the statistics required to actually formulate advice properly.

I honestly thought that there would be that kind of authority 'baked-in' to policy regarding what should happen  during a pandemic scenario.

/tanks, TFG.

As much as he hurt the situation but not filling positions and putting crap people in positions he did fill, this isn't TFG's problem.  The CDC does not have significant regulatory teeth outside of a small department (the Select Agent program, those guys regulate the use of all the Select Agents in the country, and they have a LOT of teeth).  This is just how the agency has been structured for forever and is attributable to a variety of reasons, not least of all what Wademh mentioned above.


That's because for the last 100 years, the federal government has don't plenty of things to overreach.  The Department of Homeland Security, the Patriot Act making it obnoxious to get a driver's license for no reason, the TSA giving us freedom gropes and nude body scans (and 0 terrorists caught), the War on Drugs, the FBI telling MLK Jr to commit suicide. The CDC and US Dept of Health was behind the Tuskegee Experiment.  Then there's the military and Agent Orange and we could go on all day.

After decades of lies and male bovine poop, it's hard to get credibility when they need it. It would be similar to the police trying to evacuate a BLM rally due to a credible bomb threat.

/No, I don't want Fox News
 
2022-08-19 8:55:29 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: The lawsuits are going to be EPIC

https://www.wbez.org/stories/northshore-to-pay-10-million-settlement-over-vaccine-mandate/9c950347-b03d-4d63-980d-a3d18d9d96cf


That's not the CDC. That's plague rats demanding the right to sneeze on patients.
 
2022-08-19 8:56:48 AM  

Netrngr: Zeb Hesselgresser: The lawsuits are going to be EPIC

https://www.wbez.org/stories/northshore-to-pay-10-million-settlement-over-vaccine-mandate/9c950347-b03d-4d63-980d-a3d18d9d96cf

That's just friggin sad. You would think healthcare workers would understand about vaccines and how they work and why there were mandates. I guess not.... smh


Just like with teachers, a lot of the good ones are being driven out.
 
2022-08-19 8:58:05 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: killershark: They also need to have an actual communications department that knows how to communicate. I appreciate the science aspect of things and the fact that they're policy wonks, but getting people to understand their policies was absolute crap and caused distrust.

Having ~1/2 of the elected officials and right wing media immediately nay-say anything the CDC released is what caused distrust.    Not sure how you missed that part.


And having an administration that thinks they properly own all outgoing communication means you can't maintain agency level expertise. Imagine working for the EPA, or NASA, and having a new administration come in and tell you that you have to scrub out all references to climate change on your websites, and that they will insert a graduate of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University who has to approve of all scientific publications of your agency. Yup, NASA which has long term programs of satellite data collection documenting long term climate trends and publishes the data as part of their public service gets told they can't communicate their results without government approval by some political hack.

Wonder why the CDC doesn't have high end communication professionals on staff? Imagine you're a multidomain expert, you have an actual MD and further training in infectious diseases. You've added to this separate masters degrees in public policy and in communications. You understand the science well enough to meet with the experts in your agency and outside it, even have long term professional relationships with these people. The same with experts in formulating public health policy (different from the infectious disease science). And you understand the challenges of public communication. And some stupid little punk who can't even write grammatically correct sentences, much less string them together into paragraphs, shows up and starts editing what you plan to put in a press release, substituting incoherent gibberish while wearing a red hat. You think they can pay you enough to stay in that job?

\not an autobiography
 
2022-08-19 9:11:12 AM  

Great_Milenko: The worst part of all this is the anti vaxx jackoffs will loudly and endlessly proclaim it as "proof" that the coronavirus response was done to destroy America because liberals hated Trump so much.\

CDC's only problem was they didn't tell Trump to step off the first time he interrupted one of their daily briefings.

That and Dr. Faucci should be awarded on free kick into the Donald's shriveled gonads.


And one free swing of a baseball bat into the side of Rand Paul's head, performed by the major-leaguer of his choice (we've seen him pitch.) I'd probably choose a healthy Aaron Judge or Shohei Otani.
 
2022-08-19 9:13:17 AM  
No. farking. shiat.
 
2022-08-19 9:13:42 AM  
Based in Georgia and they have deep cultural problems?  Huh.
 
2022-08-19 9:19:03 AM  

someonelse: Zeb Hesselgresser: The lawsuits are going to be EPIC

https://www.wbez.org/stories/northshore-to-pay-10-million-settlement-over-vaccine-mandate/9c950347-b03d-4d63-980d-a3d18d9d96cf

That's not the CDC. That's plague rats demanding the right to sneeze on patients.


And it's not a lawsuit, it's a settlement over the most bullshiat bullshiat that ever bullshiatted.

Since when does any religion officially prohibit vaccination? If you got fired from a medical facility for not getting vaccinated, you absolutely deserved to get fired, just like the lawyers who negotiated this settlement.
 
2022-08-19 9:35:28 AM  
wademh:

That is all cold comfort to the agency that sent out its Covid tests and forgot to update the software for external use.
 
2022-08-19 9:39:43 AM  

cefm: They did an honest self assessment. Something few organizations have the will or capacity to do. Many of the problems they noted aren't unique to the CDC though and aren't really within their own power to fix.


Exactly.
Everything here runs on a backdrop of capitalism and representative democracy. Those will cause some inherent limitations to any endeavor.
 
2022-08-19 9:54:44 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Like so many other departments, Trump tried to break the CDC for the mere fact that Obama bolstered it in preparation for an as yet unknown global health crisis.


Oh FFS, I think your obsession with trump is getting to the point of a mental condition

The issue at hand here has nothing to do with Trumps meddling

And for the record, he was trying to break all aspects of our government, aside from law enforcement and the military. As god-king of the American empire he needed those to crush his enemies
 
2022-08-19 10:21:57 AM  
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The article is three months old.
 
2022-08-19 11:09:27 AM  

Great_Milenko: The worst part of all this is the anti vaxx jackoffs will loudly and endlessly proclaim it as "proof" that the coronavirus response was done to destroy America because liberals hated Trump so much.\

CDC's only problem was they didn't tell Trump to step off the first time he interrupted one of their daily briefings.

That and Dr. Faucci should be awarded on free kick into the Donald's shriveled gonads.


Allowing Fauci to go in front of the camera unscripted on a regular basis was THE biggest driver of the messaging missteps involving covid.

He's terrible at public messaging, and really needed a press secretary to be the voice of CDC/NIH/NIAID, and for him to NOT take general interviews.
 
2022-08-19 11:31:51 AM  
The CDC has been horrid for decades.
I hope they address the obvious issues.
 
2022-08-19 12:57:19 PM  

bighairyguy: In simple terms, sometimes the light green and you can go.  Sometimes the light is red and you need to stop.  There are situations where the light is yellow which means you can go, but carefully.


And sometimes the light is changing while you are crossing the street. Life during a pandemic involving a rapidly mutating virus is not as simple as some would like it to be.
There's also the idiot factor of people that DGAF what color the light is, they are going to do what they want.
That tends to screw the system as well.
 
2022-08-19 1:31:16 PM  
Trying to figure out what went wrong with the shiatty pandemic response isn't a bad thing.

Of course, my answer to most of their questions would be: the government then was run by the stupidest motherfarker on the face of the earth and he sabotaged every effort to deal with it effectively because he wanted it to kill a bunch of people in liberal "shiatholes." After it started killing more of "his" people, he "pivoted" to pretending it wasn't happening at all or, if forced to acknowledge it, refusing to accept any responsibility whatsoever.

But yeah, right, Fauci and the CDC farked this up, so ... *wanking motion*

I think the lesson here is clear: If America ever has a much more serious pandemic to deal with, most of us will be dead or infected and near death within a month, regardless of what the CDC does. When your efforts are being literally and deliberately sabotaged by governors, members of Congress, countless mayors and other morons, it doesn't really matter what your "message" is when some asshole with a Twatter account can shiat all over it 5 minutes after it's announced and get millions of idiots to "share" his/her derp.
 
2022-08-19 2:10:05 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: Great_Milenko: The worst part of all this is the anti vaxx jackoffs will loudly and endlessly proclaim it as "proof" that the coronavirus response was done to destroy America because liberals hated Trump so much.\

CDC's only problem was they didn't tell Trump to step off the first time he interrupted one of their daily briefings.

That and Dr. Faucci should be awarded on free kick into the Donald's shriveled gonads.

Allowing Fauci to go in front of the camera unscripted on a regular basis was THE biggest driver of the messaging missteps involving covid.

He's terrible at public messaging, and really needed a press secretary to be the voice of CDC/NIH/NIAID, and for him to NOT take general interviews.


Did you know that some people are so clueless that they think Fauci works for the CDC or has any official capacity with the CDC? It's true, some people are that confused. That the case even though again and again it's been made clear that Fauci works for a division of the NIH, he heads up the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

But you know how it is, some folks see clear information presented and are just bound and determined to misunderstand. Communicating facts to those who seem to get things wrong with intent is nearly impossible. You practically have to hit them over the head.
 
2022-08-19 2:58:03 PM  
And how much is due to TFG's appointments, and attacks on the CDC?
 
2022-08-19 4:15:32 PM  

wademh: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: Great_Milenko: The worst part of all this is the anti vaxx jackoffs will loudly and endlessly proclaim it as "proof" that the coronavirus response was done to destroy America because liberals hated Trump so much.\

CDC's only problem was they didn't tell Trump to step off the first time he interrupted one of their daily briefings.

That and Dr. Faucci should be awarded on free kick into the Donald's shriveled gonads.

Allowing Fauci to go in front of the camera unscripted on a regular basis was THE biggest driver of the messaging missteps involving covid.

He's terrible at public messaging, and really needed a press secretary to be the voice of CDC/NIH/NIAID, and for him to NOT take general interviews.

Did you know that some people are so clueless that they think Fauci works for the CDC or has any official capacity with the CDC? It's true, some people are that confused. That the case even though again and again it's been made clear that Fauci works for a division of the NIH, he heads up the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

But you know how it is, some folks see clear information presented and are just bound and determined to misunderstand. Communicating facts to those who seem to get things wrong with intent is nearly impossible. You practically have to hit them over the head.


Did you know some people are so clueless that they can't understand parallel discussions in a single thread, or even have the ability to read the post they're responding to?

It's a sight to see.
 
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